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Can Conservative Atheism/Secularism Make Common Political Cause With Christians? No.

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JAG Writes:
Atheism/Secularism wants a different kind of America than Christendom
wants. The Atheistic/Secularistic ideology is not harmonious with the
Christian world-view and vise versa.

First there ARE many Conservative atheists in the world that stand
against Liberalism -- nonetheless this OP is about a relatively small
number of atheists -- the Conservative atheists -- so this OP is not
going to be of much interest to most atheists who are political Liberals
and not political Conservatives -- yet some atheists that have
Conservative political leanings may find this OP interesting. Plus
its "food for thought" and may lead to other more interesting OP's.

Conservative atheists , , ,
From The Harvard Political Review:
"While the idea of a conservative atheist might seem unusual at first,
according to a 2012 Pew poll ---- Thirteen percent of atheists and
agnostics self-identify as conservative
—a number that indicates a
growing group on the right that does not believe in a god."
https://harvardpolitics.com/united-s...tive-atheists/
________________

Here is a website called The Atheist Conservative
The Atheist Conservative:

__________

"According to a , , , Pew Forum survey, 19 percent of conservatives
are unaffiliated with any particular religion, and 14 percent of
atheists identify as conservative."___Off the web

___________

If you google "atheist conservative" you will pull up a lot of stuff.

___________


Can Conservative Atheism/Secularism Make Common Political Cause With Conservative Christendom? No.

{1} Atheism/Secularism wants a totally different America than does Conservative Christendom and the two sides are never going to reconcile or harmonize ---but will become more and more hostile and war-like as conditions worsen in America. Secularism's world-view is in direct opposition with Christendom's world-view. They want different America's.

{2} Atheism/Secularism has turned into a political movement that is at ideological war with Christianity and with Theism.

"New Atheism is a term coined by the journalist Gary Wolf in 2006 to describe the positions promoted by some atheists of the twenty-first century. This modern-day atheism is advanced by a group of thinkers and writers who advocate the view that superstition, religion and irrationalism should not simply be tolerated but should be countered, criticized, and exposed by rational argument wherever their influence arises in government, education, and politics. According to Richard Ostling, Bertrand Russell, in his 1927 essay Why I Am Not a Christian, made recommendations similar to those proposed by the New Atheists, suggesting that there are no substantive differences between traditional atheism and New Atheism"___Wiki
New Atheism - Wikipedia


{3} It is going to become more and more difficult for Conservative atheists to "make common cause" with Conservative Christians or with Theists because of my {1} and {2} and {4}.

{4} Christians and Theists are daily coming more and more to see activist-thread-atheists as their sworn enemy, thanks to threads in Forums on the Internet At Large and thanks to video sharing websites like You Tube -- where it is becoming more and more obvious each day that atheism/Secularism and Christendom are locked down in ideological war on the Internet. Add all forms of Social Media, eg Facebook, Twitter, etc its constant WAR all the time. Gonna get worse too. Its the principle of Superman vs. Lex Luthor and the principle of Batman vs. The Joker. Enemies. Like Patton and Rommel. Not friends, but enemies. It is what it is --- and Enemies is what it is.

________

To bad too.
Social and Political Tribalism is not good for the survival of the American Republic.

If the Liberal Democratic Party actually comes to political power in 2020, my prediction is your life will change for the worst at high levels of personal agony.

If the Liberal Democratic Party actually comes to power in 2020, they can:
■ increase federal spending at nation-killing levels
■ increase Federal power at nation killing levels
■ push through statehood legislation for Puerto Rico and Washington DC and thereby , , ,
■ gain control of the US Senate
■ kill the US Senate filibuster leaving the GOP minority powerless to resist Liberalism and Socialism throughout America
■ make every issue a racist issue and paint all opposition to THEM as being racist remember that
■ ridicule was one of Alinsky's Rules For Radicals and Constant Ridicule does work -- eg. the constant accusation of Racism
{ Looks to me like most Conservative leaders in DC are NOW scared to death of being called a Racist, Homophobe, Misogynist, Xenophobe, or Nativist}
■ open the flood gates to illegal immigration thus increasing their voters pool and thereby effectively destroying the Republican Party forever
■ provide legislation to enable amnesty for the 11 million to 22 million illegals already here to become Democrat Party voters.
■ allow America's some 2,000,000 prison inmates to vote {they will vote for the Democratic Party}
■ push through legislation that destroys the 2nd Amendment and effectively disarms America
■ allow chain immigration to further increase their Democratic pool of voters and thereby turn many Blue states into Red Democratic states
■ push through reparations for slavery
■ push through Medicare for all
■ push through nation killing laws based on climate scare
■ unleash Joe Biden upon America -- regular Joe'ism is bad enough , , , but there is more , ,
■ unleash Joe Biden on America allowing Joe to effectively select the next President Of the US, because Joe at his age and mental and physical condition is very unlikely to finish out his 4 years term. So? So get set for an ULTRA-Liberal female of color to be America's next President who is highly likely to be FAR-WORSE for Conservativism than Joe Biden ever thought of being.
■ destroy for all practical purposes the Republican Party and all serious political opposition to their Liberalism/Socialism/Marxism
_________

Closing Miscellaneous Points:

"Politics is war by another name."__Selected

The 21st Century is shaping up to be a "war of all against all."

Theism is projected to hit 5.7 billion by the year 2050. That's gonna be a lot of
Theists in the world -- and unhappy with atheism/Secularism.

"The Lord Jesus said, "I come not to bring peace, but a sword."
Matthew 10:34-36 , , ,The sword is the principle of war.

The Lord Jesus said , , , "For I have come to set a man against his father, and a daughter
against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; and a man’s foes
will be those of his own household.”. Matthew 10:34-36

"Only the dead have seen an end to war."___Plato

JAG
 

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Christains can find common cause with atheists as long as they are not trying destroy religion

meaning they are not militant anteists
 

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JAG Writes:
Atheism/Secularism wants a different kind of America than Christendom
wants. The Atheistic/Secularistic ideology is not harmonious with the
Christian world-view and vise versa.

First there ARE many Conservative atheists in the world that stand
against Liberalism -- nonetheless this OP is about a relatively small
number of atheists -- the Conservative atheists -- so this OP is not
going to be of much interest to most atheists who are political Liberals
and not political Conservatives -- yet some atheists that have
Conservative political leanings may find this OP interesting. Plus
its "food for thought" and may lead to other more interesting OP's.

Conservative atheists , , ,
From The Harvard Political Review:
"While the idea of a conservative atheist might seem unusual at first,
according to a 2012 Pew poll ---- Thirteen percent of atheists and
agnostics self-identify as conservative
—a number that indicates a
growing group on the right that does not believe in a god."
https://harvardpolitics.com/united-s...tive-atheists/
________________

Here is a website called The Atheist Conservative
The Atheist Conservative:

__________

"According to a , , , Pew Forum survey, 19 percent of conservatives
are unaffiliated with any particular religion, and 14 percent of
atheists identify as conservative."___Off the web

___________

If you google "atheist conservative" you will pull up a lot of stuff.

___________


Can Conservative Atheism/Secularism Make Common Political Cause With Conservative Christendom? No.

{1} Atheism/Secularism wants a totally different America than does Conservative Christendom and the two sides are never going to reconcile or harmonize ---but will become more and more hostile and war-like as conditions worsen in America. Secularism's world-view is in direct opposition with Christendom's world-view. They want different America's.

{2} Atheism/Secularism has turned into a political movement that is at ideological war with Christianity and with Theism.

"New Atheism is a term coined by the journalist Gary Wolf in 2006 to describe the positions promoted by some atheists of the twenty-first century. This modern-day atheism is advanced by a group of thinkers and writers who advocate the view that superstition, religion and irrationalism should not simply be tolerated but should be countered, criticized, and exposed by rational argument wherever their influence arises in government, education, and politics. According to Richard Ostling, Bertrand Russell, in his 1927 essay Why I Am Not a Christian, made recommendations similar to those proposed by the New Atheists, suggesting that there are no substantive differences between traditional atheism and New Atheism"___Wiki
New Atheism - Wikipedia


{3} It is going to become more and more difficult for Conservative atheists to "make common cause" with Conservative Christians or with Theists because of my {1} and {2} and {4}.

{4} Christians and Theists are daily coming more and more to see activist-thread-atheists as their sworn enemy, thanks to threads in Forums on the Internet At Large and thanks to video sharing websites like You Tube -- where it is becoming more and more obvious each day that atheism/Secularism and Christendom are locked down in ideological war on the Internet. Add all forms of Social Media, eg Facebook, Twitter, etc its constant WAR all the time. Gonna get worse too. Its the principle of Superman vs. Lex Luthor and the principle of Batman vs. The Joker. Enemies. Like Patton and Rommel. Not friends, but enemies. It is what it is --- and Enemies is what it is.

________

To bad too.
Social and Political Tribalism is not good for the survival of the American Republic.

If the Liberal Democratic Party actually comes to political power in 2020, my prediction is your life will change for the worst at high levels of personal agony.

If the Liberal Democratic Party actually comes to power in 2020, they can:
■ increase federal spending at nation-killing levels
■ increase Federal power at nation killing levels
■ push through statehood legislation for Puerto Rico and Washington DC and thereby , , ,
■ gain control of the US Senate
■ kill the US Senate filibuster leaving the GOP minority powerless to resist Liberalism and Socialism throughout America
■ make every issue a racist issue and paint all opposition to THEM as being racist remember that
■ ridicule was one of Alinsky's Rules For Radicals and Constant Ridicule does work -- eg. the constant accusation of Racism
{ Looks to me like most Conservative leaders in DC are NOW scared to death of being called a Racist, Homophobe, Misogynist, Xenophobe, or Nativist}
■ open the flood gates to illegal immigration thus increasing their voters pool and thereby effectively destroying the Republican Party forever
■ provide legislation to enable amnesty for the 11 million to 22 million illegals already here to become Democrat Party voters.
■ allow America's some 2,000,000 prison inmates to vote {they will vote for the Democratic Party}
■ push through legislation that destroys the 2nd Amendment and effectively disarms America
■ allow chain immigration to further increase their Democratic pool of voters and thereby turn many Blue states into Red Democratic states
■ push through reparations for slavery
■ push through Medicare for all
■ push through nation killing laws based on climate scare
■ unleash Joe Biden upon America -- regular Joe'ism is bad enough , , , but there is more , ,
■ unleash Joe Biden on America allowing Joe to effectively select the next President Of the US, because Joe at his age and mental and physical condition is very unlikely to finish out his 4 years term. So? So get set for an ULTRA-Liberal female of color to be America's next President who is highly likely to be FAR-WORSE for Conservativism than Joe Biden ever thought of being.
■ destroy for all practical purposes the Republican Party and all serious political opposition to their Liberalism/Socialism/Marxism
_________

Closing Miscellaneous Points:

"Politics is war by another name."__Selected

The 21st Century is shaping up to be a "war of all against all."

Theism is projected to hit 5.7 billion by the year 2050. That's gonna be a lot of
Theists in the world -- and unhappy with atheism/Secularism.

"The Lord Jesus said, "I come not to bring peace, but a sword."
Matthew 10:34-36 , , ,The sword is the principle of war.

The Lord Jesus said , , , "For I have come to set a man against his father, and a daughter
against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; and a man’s foes
will be those of his own household.”. Matthew 10:34-36

"Only the dead have seen an end to war."___Plato

JAG
It is dangerous to mix religion and politics. There are liberal Christians and conservative ones. They run the whole spectrum, or are you one of those Christians that feels they can judge if others are 'true' Christians or not? This country was built on religious tolerance, do you want to change that?

I'm an atheist and generally a liberal when it comes to social issues but I don't like being labeled. I'm more moderate when it comes to personal responsibility and fiscal issues. I get along fine with Christians, Muslims, Jews, Buddhists, and the occasional Hindu, regardless of their politics. Can you say the same?
 

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Christains can find common cause with atheists as long as they are not trying destroy religion

meaning they are not militant anteists
Sounds to me like Jag is the one declaring war, not the atheists.
 

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Atheism has little to do with political views
 

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JAG Writes:
Atheism/Secularism wants a different kind of America than Christendom
wants. The Atheistic/Secularistic ideology is not harmonious with the
Christian world-view and vise versa.

First there ARE many Conservative atheists in the world that stand
against Liberalism -- nonetheless this OP is about a relatively small
number of atheists -- the Conservative atheists -- so this OP is not
going to be of much interest to most atheists who are political Liberals
and not political Conservatives -- yet some atheists that have
Conservative political leanings may find this OP interesting. Plus
its "food for thought" and may lead to other more interesting OP's.

Conservative atheists , , ,
From The Harvard Political Review:
"While the idea of a conservative atheist might seem unusual at first,
according to a 2012 Pew poll ---- Thirteen percent of atheists and
agnostics self-identify as conservative
—a number that indicates a
growing group on the right that does not believe in a god."
https://harvardpolitics.com/united-s...tive-atheists/
________________

Here is a website called The Atheist Conservative
The Atheist Conservative:

__________

"According to a , , , Pew Forum survey, 19 percent of conservatives
are unaffiliated with any particular religion, and 14 percent of
atheists identify as conservative."___Off the web

___________

If you google "atheist conservative" you will pull up a lot of stuff.

___________


Can Conservative Atheism/Secularism Make Common Political Cause With Conservative Christendom? No.

{1} Atheism/Secularism wants a totally different America than does Conservative Christendom and the two sides are never going to reconcile or harmonize ---but will become more and more hostile and war-like as conditions worsen in America. Secularism's world-view is in direct opposition with Christendom's world-view. They want different America's.

{2} Atheism/Secularism has turned into a political movement that is at ideological war with Christianity and with Theism.

"New Atheism is a term coined by the journalist Gary Wolf in 2006 to describe the positions promoted by some atheists of the twenty-first century. This modern-day atheism is advanced by a group of thinkers and writers who advocate the view that superstition, religion and irrationalism should not simply be tolerated but should be countered, criticized, and exposed by rational argument wherever their influence arises in government, education, and politics. According to Richard Ostling, Bertrand Russell, in his 1927 essay Why I Am Not a Christian, made recommendations similar to those proposed by the New Atheists, suggesting that there are no substantive differences between traditional atheism and New Atheism"___Wiki
New Atheism - Wikipedia


{3} It is going to become more and more difficult for Conservative atheists to "make common cause" with Conservative Christians or with Theists because of my {1} and {2} and {4}.

{4} Christians and Theists are daily coming more and more to see activist-thread-atheists as their sworn enemy, thanks to threads in Forums on the Internet At Large and thanks to video sharing websites like You Tube -- where it is becoming more and more obvious each day that atheism/Secularism and Christendom are locked down in ideological war on the Internet. Add all forms of Social Media, eg Facebook, Twitter, etc its constant WAR all the time. Gonna get worse too. Its the principle of Superman vs. Lex Luthor and the principle of Batman vs. The Joker. Enemies. Like Patton and Rommel. Not friends, but enemies. It is what it is --- and Enemies is what it is.

________

To bad too.
Social and Political Tribalism is not good for the survival of the American Republic.

If the Liberal Democratic Party actually comes to political power in 2020, my prediction is your life will change for the worst at high levels of personal agony.

If the Liberal Democratic Party actually comes to power in 2020, they can:
■ increase federal spending at nation-killing levels
■ increase Federal power at nation killing levels
■ push through statehood legislation for Puerto Rico and Washington DC and thereby , , ,
■ gain control of the US Senate
■ kill the US Senate filibuster leaving the GOP minority powerless to resist Liberalism and Socialism throughout America
■ make every issue a racist issue and paint all opposition to THEM as being racist remember that
■ ridicule was one of Alinsky's Rules For Radicals and Constant Ridicule does work -- eg. the constant accusation of Racism
{ Looks to me like most Conservative leaders in DC are NOW scared to death of being called a Racist, Homophobe, Misogynist, Xenophobe, or Nativist}
■ open the flood gates to illegal immigration thus increasing their voters pool and thereby effectively destroying the Republican Party forever
■ provide legislation to enable amnesty for the 11 million to 22 million illegals already here to become Democrat Party voters.
■ allow America's some 2,000,000 prison inmates to vote {they will vote for the Democratic Party}
■ push through legislation that destroys the 2nd Amendment and effectively disarms America
■ allow chain immigration to further increase their Democratic pool of voters and thereby turn many Blue states into Red Democratic states
■ push through reparations for slavery
■ push through Medicare for all
■ push through nation killing laws based on climate scare
■ unleash Joe Biden upon America -- regular Joe'ism is bad enough , , , but there is more , ,
■ unleash Joe Biden on America allowing Joe to effectively select the next President Of the US, because Joe at his age and mental and physical condition is very unlikely to finish out his 4 years term. So? So get set for an ULTRA-Liberal female of color to be America's next President who is highly likely to be FAR-WORSE for Conservativism than Joe Biden ever thought of being.
■ destroy for all practical purposes the Republican Party and all serious political opposition to their Liberalism/Socialism/Marxism
_________

Closing Miscellaneous Points:

"Politics is war by another name."__Selected

The 21st Century is shaping up to be a "war of all against all."

Theism is projected to hit 5.7 billion by the year 2050. That's gonna be a lot of
Theists in the world -- and unhappy with atheism/Secularism.

"The Lord Jesus said, "I come not to bring peace, but a sword."
Matthew 10:34-36 , , ,The sword is the principle of war.

The Lord Jesus said , , , "For I have come to set a man against his father, and a daughter
against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; and a man’s foes
will be those of his own household.”. Matthew 10:34-36

"Only the dead have seen an end to war."___Plato

JAG


conservativism, whether religious or secular, involves the preservation of the constitution right of freedom of religion.


any conservative who feels a need to "counter" religious faith, is not a conservative, in the american tradition.
 

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Given Conservative' and 'Liberal' are matters of Constitutional interpretation and context, I don't see any' conflict' on the basics between Conservatives and Liberals; I do however don't buy for a second that right wing sociopaths are any more deserving of being taken seriously than their left wing sociopath brothers are. Conservatives are not right wingers and Liberals are not left wingers in any American sense; that's just a commie media disinformation racket.
 

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..sounds like a lot of babble--since you can't prove there is a god
 
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Christains can find common cause with atheists as long as they are not trying destroy religion

meaning they are not militant anteists
Sounds to me like Jag is the one declaring war, not the atheists.
"Sounds to me like Jag is the one declaring war, not the atheists."___alang
Nah, I'm to tired to go to war.


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Christains can find common cause with atheists as long as they are not trying destroy religion

meaning they are not militant anteists

"Christains can find common cause with atheists as long as they are not trying destroy religion
meaning they are not militant anteists"___Mac


That;s a good point. Agreed.


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..sounds like a lot of babble--since you can't prove there is a god

".sounds like a lot of babble--since you can't prove there is a god"___harmonica

Aw come'on now Harmonica, that ain't nothing to do with this:
JAG Previously Wrote:
{2} Atheism/Secularism has turned into a political movement that is at ideological war with Christianity and with Theism.

"New Atheism is a term coined by the journalist Gary Wolf in 2006 to describe the positions promoted by some atheists of the twenty-first century. This modern-day atheism is advanced by a group of thinkers and writers who advocate the view that superstition, religion and irrationalism should not simply be tolerated but should be countered, criticized, and exposed by rational argument wherever their influence arises in government, education, and politics. According to Richard Ostling, Bertrand Russell, in his 1927 essay Why I Am Not a Christian, made recommendations similar to those proposed by the New Atheists, suggesting that there are no substantive differences between traditional atheism and New Atheism"___Wiki
New Atheism - Wikipedia
_________

Whether God exists or does not exists has nothing do do with the ideological war that some
atheists are waging on the Internet At Large against Christianity and against Theism.
These atheists wage war against The-God-That-Does-Not-Exist that is against the
idea of God as proclaimed by Christianity.

JAG
 

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It is dangerous to mix religion and politics. ?

No, it isn't; it was colonies with varied established religious sects that formed a country. Never see that happening with a bunch of commie atheist sociopaths coming to such a series of amicable gentlemen' agreements; even the atheists back then fully understood and appreciated the importance of WASP values and morals as contributors to a superior social organization. It's far more dangerous to pretend atheists could ever do better than what the Evul Xians achieved via tradition and superior management practices. See F.A. Hayek's The Fatal Conceit for a great explanation of that, along with this neat little essay by a conservative who isn't a right wing sociopath and doesn't feel any need to suck up to nutjobs.



"There are many varieties of libertarianism, from natural-law libertarianism (the least crazy) to anarcho-capitalism (the most), and some varieties avoid some of the criticisms below. But many are still subject to most of them, and some of the more successful varieties—I recently heard a respected pundit insist that classical liberalism is libertarianism—enter a gray area where it is not really clear that they are libertarians at all. But because 95 percent of the libertarianism one encounters at cocktail parties, on editorial pages, and on Capitol Hill is a kind of commonplace “street” libertarianism, I decline to allow libertarians the sophistical trick of using a vulgar libertarianism to agitate for what they want by defending a refined version of their doctrine when challenged philosophically. We’ve seen Marxists pull that before.


This is no surprise, as libertarianism is basically the Marxism of the Right. If Marxism is the delusion that one can run society purely on altruism and collectivism, then libertarianism is the mirror-image delusion that one can run it purely on selfishness and individualism. Society in fact requires both individualism and collectivism, both selfishness and altruism, to function. Like Marxism, libertarianism offers the fraudulent intellectual security of a complete a priori account of the political good without the effort of empirical investigation. Like Marxism, it aspires, overtly or covertly, to reduce social life to economics. And like Marxism, it has its historical myths and a genius for making its followers feel like an elect unbound by the moral rules of their society.

...
Empirically, most people don’t actually want absolute freedom, which is why democracies don’t elect libertarian governments. Irony of ironies, people don’t choose absolute freedom. But this refutes libertarianism by its own premise, as libertarianism defines the good as the freely chosen, yet people do not choose it. Paradoxically, people exercise their freedom not to be libertarians. "

Commies and 'Libertarians' both promise the same results as the endgame they claim to be shooting for, but of course they both know they're just lying as well. They want to dictate to 'Everybody Else', is all, and will avoid the much advertised 'endgames' at all costs.
 
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..sounds like a lot of babble--since you can't prove there is a god

".sounds like a lot of babble--since you can't prove there is a god"___harmonica

Aw come'on now Harmonica, that ain't nothing to do with this:
JAG Previously Wrote:
{2} Atheism/Secularism has turned into a political movement that is at ideological war with Christianity and with Theism.

"New Atheism is a term coined by the journalist Gary Wolf in 2006 to describe the positions promoted by some atheists of the twenty-first century. This modern-day atheism is advanced by a group of thinkers and writers who advocate the view that superstition, religion and irrationalism should not simply be tolerated but should be countered, criticized, and exposed by rational argument wherever their influence arises in government, education, and politics. According to Richard Ostling, Bertrand Russell, in his 1927 essay Why I Am Not a Christian, made recommendations similar to those proposed by the New Atheists, suggesting that there are no substantive differences between traditional atheism and New Atheism"___Wiki
New Atheism - Wikipedia
_________

Whether God exists or does not exists has nothing do do with the ideological war that some
atheists are waging on the Internet At Large against Christianity and against Theism.
These atheists wage war against The-God-That-Does-Not-Exist that is against the
idea of God as proclaimed by Christianity.

JAG

They're actually waging a war against any restraints on their personal behaviors and impulses, mostly any restraints on sexual deviancy, greed, and fetishism.
 
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JAG Writes:
Atheism/Secularism wants a different kind of America than Christendom
wants. The Atheistic/Secularistic ideology is not harmonious with the
Christian world-view and vise versa.

First there ARE many Conservative atheists in the world that stand
against Liberalism -- nonetheless this OP is about a relatively small
number of atheists -- the Conservative atheists -- so this OP is not
going to be of much interest to most atheists who are political Liberals
and not political Conservatives -- yet some atheists that have
Conservative political leanings may find this OP interesting. Plus
its "food for thought" and may lead to other more interesting OP's.

Conservative atheists , , ,
From The Harvard Political Review:
"While the idea of a conservative atheist might seem unusual at first,
according to a 2012 Pew poll ---- Thirteen percent of atheists and
agnostics self-identify as conservative
—a number that indicates a
growing group on the right that does not believe in a god."
https://harvardpolitics.com/united-s...tive-atheists/
________________

Here is a website called The Atheist Conservative
The Atheist Conservative:

__________

"According to a , , , Pew Forum survey, 19 percent of conservatives
are unaffiliated with any particular religion, and 14 percent of
atheists identify as conservative."___Off the web

___________

If you google "atheist conservative" you will pull up a lot of stuff.

___________


Can Conservative Atheism/Secularism Make Common Political Cause With Conservative Christendom? No.

{1} Atheism/Secularism wants a totally different America than does Conservative Christendom and the two sides are never going to reconcile or harmonize ---but will become more and more hostile and war-like as conditions worsen in America. Secularism's world-view is in direct opposition with Christendom's world-view. They want different America's.

{2} Atheism/Secularism has turned into a political movement that is at ideological war with Christianity and with Theism.

"New Atheism is a term coined by the journalist Gary Wolf in 2006 to describe the positions promoted by some atheists of the twenty-first century. This modern-day atheism is advanced by a group of thinkers and writers who advocate the view that superstition, religion and irrationalism should not simply be tolerated but should be countered, criticized, and exposed by rational argument wherever their influence arises in government, education, and politics. According to Richard Ostling, Bertrand Russell, in his 1927 essay Why I Am Not a Christian, made recommendations similar to those proposed by the New Atheists, suggesting that there are no substantive differences between traditional atheism and New Atheism"___Wiki
New Atheism - Wikipedia


{3} It is going to become more and more difficult for Conservative atheists to "make common cause" with Conservative Christians or with Theists because of my {1} and {2} and {4}.

{4} Christians and Theists are daily coming more and more to see activist-thread-atheists as their sworn enemy, thanks to threads in Forums on the Internet At Large and thanks to video sharing websites like You Tube -- where it is becoming more and more obvious each day that atheism/Secularism and Christendom are locked down in ideological war on the Internet. Add all forms of Social Media, eg Facebook, Twitter, etc its constant WAR all the time. Gonna get worse too. Its the principle of Superman vs. Lex Luthor and the principle of Batman vs. The Joker. Enemies. Like Patton and Rommel. Not friends, but enemies. It is what it is --- and Enemies is what it is.

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To bad too.
Social and Political Tribalism is not good for the survival of the American Republic.

If the Liberal Democratic Party actually comes to political power in 2020, my prediction is your life will change for the worst at high levels of personal agony.

If the Liberal Democratic Party actually comes to power in 2020, they can:
■ increase federal spending at nation-killing levels
■ increase Federal power at nation killing levels
■ push through statehood legislation for Puerto Rico and Washington DC and thereby , , ,
■ gain control of the US Senate
■ kill the US Senate filibuster leaving the GOP minority powerless to resist Liberalism and Socialism throughout America
■ make every issue a racist issue and paint all opposition to THEM as being racist remember that
■ ridicule was one of Alinsky's Rules For Radicals and Constant Ridicule does work -- eg. the constant accusation of Racism
{ Looks to me like most Conservative leaders in DC are NOW scared to death of being called a Racist, Homophobe, Misogynist, Xenophobe, or Nativist}
■ open the flood gates to illegal immigration thus increasing their voters pool and thereby effectively destroying the Republican Party forever
■ provide legislation to enable amnesty for the 11 million to 22 million illegals already here to become Democrat Party voters.
■ allow America's some 2,000,000 prison inmates to vote {they will vote for the Democratic Party}
■ push through legislation that destroys the 2nd Amendment and effectively disarms America
■ allow chain immigration to further increase their Democratic pool of voters and thereby turn many Blue states into Red Democratic states
■ push through reparations for slavery
■ push through Medicare for all
■ push through nation killing laws based on climate scare
■ unleash Joe Biden upon America -- regular Joe'ism is bad enough , , , but there is more , ,
■ unleash Joe Biden on America allowing Joe to effectively select the next President Of the US, because Joe at his age and mental and physical condition is very unlikely to finish out his 4 years term. So? So get set for an ULTRA-Liberal female of color to be America's next President who is highly likely to be FAR-WORSE for Conservativism than Joe Biden ever thought of being.
■ destroy for all practical purposes the Republican Party and all serious political opposition to their Liberalism/Socialism/Marxism
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Closing Miscellaneous Points:

"Politics is war by another name."__Selected

The 21st Century is shaping up to be a "war of all against all."

Theism is projected to hit 5.7 billion by the year 2050. That's gonna be a lot of
Theists in the world -- and unhappy with atheism/Secularism.

"The Lord Jesus said, "I come not to bring peace, but a sword."
Matthew 10:34-36 , , ,The sword is the principle of war.

The Lord Jesus said , , , "For I have come to set a man against his father, and a daughter
against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; and a man’s foes
will be those of his own household.”. Matthew 10:34-36

"Only the dead have seen an end to war."___Plato

JAG
It is dangerous to mix religion and politics. There are liberal Christians and conservative ones. They run the whole spectrum, or are you one of those Christians that feels they can judge if others are 'true' Christians or not? This country was built on religious tolerance, do you want to change that?

I'm an atheist and generally a liberal when it comes to social issues but I don't like being labeled. I'm more moderate when it comes to personal responsibility and fiscal issues. I get along fine with Christians, Muslims, Jews, Buddhists, and the occasional Hindu, regardless of their politics. Can you say the same?

"It is dangerous to mix religion and politics. There are liberal Christians and conservative ones.
They run the whole spectrum, or are you one of those Christians that feels they can judge if
others are 'true' Christians or not? This country was built on religious tolerance, do you want
to change that?

I'm an atheist and generally a liberal when it comes to social issues but I don't like being
labeled. I'm more moderate when it comes to personal responsibility and fiscal issues. I
get along fine with Christians, Muslims, Jews, Buddhists, and the occasional Hindu,
regardless of their politics. Can you say the same?"___alang


{1} No I cannot judge if others are true Christians.
{1} I tend to accept all professing Christians as true Christians.
{3} I do not want to get rid of religious tolerance.
{4} I can NOT get along just fine with folks regardless of their politics. No.
{5} I don't think you can either.

Best.

JAG

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Atheism has little to do with political views

"Atheism has little to do with political views"___Rightwinger

You don't believe the bolded red below?

{1} Atheism/Secularism wants a totally different America than does Conservative Christendom and the two sides are never going to reconcile or harmonize ---but will become more and more hostile and war-like as conditions worsen in America. Secularism's world-view is in direct opposition with Christendom's world-view. They want different America's.

{2} Atheism/Secularism has turned into a political movement that is at ideological war with Christianity and with Theism.

"New Atheism is a term coined by the journalist Gary Wolf in 2006 to describe the positions promoted by some atheists of the twenty-first century. This modern-day atheism is advanced by a group of thinkers and writers who advocate the view that superstition, religion and irrationalism should not simply be tolerated but should be countered, criticized, and exposed by rational argument wherever their influence arises in government, education, and politics. According to Richard Ostling, Bertrand Russell, in his 1927 essay Why I Am Not a Christian, made recommendations similar to those proposed by the New Atheists, suggesting that there are no substantive differences between traditional atheism and New Atheism"___Wiki
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It is dangerous to mix religion and politics. ?

No, it isn't; it was colonies with varied established religious sects that formed a country. Never see that happening with a bunch of commie atheist sociopaths coming to such a series of amicable gentlemen' agreements; even the atheists back then fully understood and appreciated the importance of WASP values and morals as contributors to a superior social organization. It's far more dangerous to pretend atheists could ever do better than what the Evul Xians achieved via tradition and superior management practices. See F.A. Hayek's The Fatal Conceit for a great explanation of that, along with this neat little essay by a conservative who isn't a right wing sociopath and doesn't feel any need to suck up to nutjobs.



"There are many varieties of libertarianism, from natural-law libertarianism (the least crazy) to anarcho-capitalism (the most), and some varieties avoid some of the criticisms below. But many are still subject to most of them, and some of the more successful varieties—I recently heard a respected pundit insist that classical liberalism is libertarianism—enter a gray area where it is not really clear that they are libertarians at all. But because 95 percent of the libertarianism one encounters at cocktail parties, on editorial pages, and on Capitol Hill is a kind of commonplace “street” libertarianism, I decline to allow libertarians the sophistical trick of using a vulgar libertarianism to agitate for what they want by defending a refined version of their doctrine when challenged philosophically. We’ve seen Marxists pull that before.


This is no surprise, as libertarianism is basically the Marxism of the Right. If Marxism is the delusion that one can run society purely on altruism and collectivism, then libertarianism is the mirror-image delusion that one can run it purely on selfishness and individualism. Society in fact requires both individualism and collectivism, both selfishness and altruism, to function. Like Marxism, libertarianism offers the fraudulent intellectual security of a complete a priori account of the political good without the effort of empirical investigation. Like Marxism, it aspires, overtly or covertly, to reduce social life to economics. And like Marxism, it has its historical myths and a genius for making its followers feel like an elect unbound by the moral rules of their society.

...
Empirically, most people don’t actually want absolute freedom, which is why democracies don’t elect libertarian governments. Irony of ironies, people don’t choose absolute freedom. But this refutes libertarianism by its own premise, as libertarianism defines the good as the freely chosen, yet people do not choose it. Paradoxically, people exercise their freedom not to be libertarians. "

Commies and 'Libertarians' both promise the same results as the endgame they claim to be shooting for, but of course they both know they're just lying as well. They want to dictate to 'Everybody Else', is all, and will avoid the much advertised 'endgames' at all costs.

Picaro, that was an interesting read.
Thanks for posting that.

JAG

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Ayn Rand and Penn Jilette were/are atheists, and they're to the right of every "conservative" (whatever the hell that's supposed to mean anymore) I know of.

There's no correlation here.
 

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Christains can find common cause with atheists as long as they are not trying destroy religion

meaning they are not militant anteists
Sounds to me like Jag is the one declaring war, not the atheists.
"Sounds to me like Jag is the one declaring war, not the atheists."___alang
Nah, I'm to tired to go to war.
You just want others to fight your war?
 

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It is dangerous to mix religion and politics. ?
No, it isn't; it was colonies with varied established religious sects that formed a country.
They formed a country because they didn't choose to enforce any particular religious dogma. They essentially left their religious beliefs at the door. Atheists would have been very comfortable in that room.
 

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Atheism has little to do with political views
You don't believe the bolded red below?

{2} Atheism/Secularism has turned into a political movement that is at ideological war with Christianity and with Theism.
I don't. If atheism is at war with Christianity it is because Christianity has always been a very intolerant religion and has variously attacked pagans, atheists, Jews, and other Christians.
 

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