Calvin Coolidge ???

[rightwinger]

You need to get beyond your 6th grade history class.

You need to get beyond the revisionist history you embrace.

FDR made the US an economic and military Super Power

 

[ESay]

FDR made the US an economic and military Super Power

And what? This status is greatly exaggerated and overvalued by the US propaganda. Under this 'power' the Soviet Union got nuclear weapons and established control over half of Europe and elsewhere; the Communist party got full control over almost all of China and SE Asia; Islamists factions got power in Iran. Etc, etc.

Though, for the US itself it was the good times. From 'third-world nation' and quite poor population it became the world's economic powerhouse with quickly raising and expanding middle class. But foundations of that were laid before FDR it seems.

 

[gipper]

You need to get beyond the revisionist history you embrace.

FDR made the US an economic and military Super Power

It’s only revisionist to fools like you who STILL believe the state.

Read this authors and get informed for once. You’re old enough now to understand the state and it’s approved historians lie for the benefit of the state.

John T. Flynn, Harry Elmer Barnes, Charles Beard, William Henry Chamberlin, Russell Grenfell, Sisley Huddleston, and numerous other scholars and journalists of the highest caliber and reputation all told a rather consistent story of the Second World War but one at total variance with that of today’s established narrative, and they did so at the cost of destroying their careers.

 

[rightwinger]

It’s only revisionist to fools like you who STILL believe the state.

Read this authors and get informed for once. You’re old enough now to understand the state and it’s approved historians lie for the benefit of the state.

John T. Flynn, Harry Elmer Barnes, Charles Beard, William Henry Chamberlin, Russell Grenfell, Sisley Huddleston, and numerous other scholars and journalists of the highest caliber and reputation all told a rather consistent story of the Second World War but one at total variance with that of today’s established narrative, and they did so at the cost of destroying their careers.

I have no question that some historians have embraced alternative realities on history.

Fact is that FDR saved the US and then saved the world.
He made us a modern Democracy and then the only global super power

 

[gipper]

I have no question that some historians have embraced alternative realities on history.

Fact is that FDR saved the US and then saved the world.
He made us a modern Democracy and then the only global super power

That’s mythology. Americans love their government produced myths.

FDR like nearly all our presidents the past 100 years was a lying corrupt criminal. However he did a few good things, but the bad far outweighed the good.

 

[rightwinger]

That’s mythology. Americans love their government produced myths.

FDR like nearly all our presidents the past 100 years was a lying corrupt criminal. However he did a few good things, but the bad far outweighed the good.

More revisionist history

Doesn’t change that FDR is the greatest President after Lincoln and created the modern US

 

[gipper]

More revisionist history

Doesn’t change that FDR is the greatest President after Lincoln and created the modern US

More myths.

 

[gipper]

More revisionist history

Doesn’t change that FDR is the greatest President after Lincoln and created the modern US

You admire two of the worst warmongering presidents.

Here is another outstanding column you won’t read, but will enlighten you.

Censorship of anti-war voices started with Abe and continued with every war president. FDR was one of the worst. Today warmongering has become acceptable to many Americans, like yourself.

And it wasn’t just those two influential publishers sounding the alarms. Editors and journalists at the Los Angeles Times, the New York Herald-Tribune, the Detroit Daily Newsand many other papers were generally opposed to FDR’s economic and foreign policy, although they drew less attention from New Deal censors (Winfield, p. 129). Justin Raimondo’s book Reclaiming the American Right: The Lost Legacy of the Conservative Movement, written in 1993 and updated in 2008, does a better job detailing the anti-war positions and popularity of 1930s media figures including Robert McCormick, New Republic columnist John Flynn, Garet Garrett of the Saturday Evening Post, and others.

By 1938, these anti-New Deal publications—coupled with ongoing economic despair—helped convince most Americans that the country was heading in the wrong direction. During the mid-term election that year, Republicans gained 81 seats in the House, 8 seats in the Senate, and 13 new governorships (Winfield, p. 139). Wikipedia’s page for the 1938 electionagrees on Republican gains in the House and Senate, but shows a net gain of 12 GOP governors.

After that humiliating loss, Roosevelt stepped up his efforts to pull the U.S. into Europe’s next bloodbath, primarily by “lending” weapons of mass destructionto the British and Soviets (in their war efforts against Germany) and his antagonistic blockade of Japan. These maneuvers made it clear to anyone paying attention in the U.S. and around the world that FDR was determined to be a wartime president, with absolute control of a wartime economy, despite his repeated assurances to the public of the exact opposite. As a career politician, FDR must have known that open warfare would provide the best opportunity to scare Americans into rallying around the flagpole—and giving ‘That Man in the White House’ the unlimited power he seemed to be craving.

Hearst, McCormick and other independent publishers (all of whom were despised by pro-war FCC broadcasters) had spent years warning the public of FDR’s secretive plot to draw America into Europe’s bloody battles. Most famous at the time was the Chicago Tribune’s explosive headline from December 4, 1941:


Flashback 1930s: A Time Before Military Adulation

 

[gipper]

More revisionist history

Doesn’t change that FDR is the greatest President after Lincoln and created the modern US

Great column…I thought of you when I read it.

Happy Worst President’s Day​

By Thomas DiLorenzo
February 12, 2025
Lincoln waged war on Southern civilians for four long years, ordering the bombing and burning of American cities to the ground and rewarding the commanding generals who committed these war crimes of plundering, raping, murder, and arson with promotions and glory. The population of the South was about 9 million at the beginning of the war. Scaling the death toll for today’s U.S. population, McPherson’s estimate of 50,000 civilian deaths would be the equivalent of 1.9 million civilians being killed by the U.S. government in just four years. Coming from Lincoln cultist James McPherson, the 50,000 figure is bound to be an underestimate.

Reading books like War Crimes against Southern Civilians by Walter Brian Cisco, which is based on the U.S. government’s publication The War of the Rebellion: Official Records of the Union and Confederate Armies, one learns how more than twenty-two thousand artillery shells exploded in a six-month period in civilian-occupied Charleston, and that unexploded shells are still being discovered today. Then there is Sherman’s four-day bombardment of civilian-occupied Atlanta after the Confederate Army had left the city with as many as five thousand artillery shells exploding in a single day. Thousands of survivors were rendered homeless at the onset of winter. Lincoln’s favorite general called the site of corpses of women and children in the streets of Atlanta “a beautiful sight” because he thought it would cause the war to end sooner.

Lincoln’s first inaugural address should be known as his “Slavery Forever” speech. He started out announcing that he had no intention of disturbing Southern slavery (at a time when there were also slaves in Union states); that he never had any intention of doing so; that this was clearly stated in the Republican Party platform of 1860; and that it would be unconstitutional to do so. He then expressed his strongest support for the Fugitive Slave Act of 1850, which compelled Northerners to capture runaway slaves (and which was enforced in Washington, D.C. during the Lincoln presidency).

Near the end of his first inaugural address Lincoln declared his support for the Corwin Amendment to the Constitution which would prohibit the government from ever interfering with Southern slavery and which had just passed the Republican-controlled House and Senate. He said he considered slavery to be constitutional and had no objection to it being made “express and irrevocable” in the text of the Constitution. Irrevocable.

The amendment was named after Ohio Congressman Thomas Corwin but in fact came from Lincoln himself. Doris Kearns-Goodwin showed in her book, Team of Rivals: The Political Genius of Abraham Lincoln, that before the inauguration Lincoln had instructed William Seward to get the amendment through the senate, which he did. In his inaugural address he lied about never actually having seen the amendment. This was a constitutional amendment to enshrine slavery in the Constitution, passed by his own party of which he was the leader, and ratified by his home state of Illinois along with Rhode Island, Ohio, and the “border states” of Kentucky and Maryland which were under U. S. Army occupation at the time. How dumb and gullible did Lincoln think the American public was to tell them such a blatant lie?

In the same speech Lincoln used the words “invasion” and “bloodshed” as promises of what would occur in any state that refused to collect the tariff tax on imports which had just been more than doubled two days earlier. At the time more than 90 percent of federal tax revenue came from tariff taxes and there was no central bank to legally counterfeit money. The South did not intend to send tariff tax revenues to D.C. any more than it would send them to London or Paris, so Lincoln followed through with his threat and commenced the waging of total war on his own country over tax collection.

For over a hundred years the death toll of the “Civil War” was said to be 620,000 but recent forensic research has revised the number to as much as 850,000 with more than double that number wounded. In terms of today’s population that is almost 9 million deaths in less than four years, all over tax collection according to Lincoln himself. Are you still wondering why the state celebrates Lincoln’s birthday?

In April of 1861 Lincoln illegally suspended the writ of Habeas Corpus and ordered the military to arrest and imprison without due process tens of thousands of Northern civilians for merely criticizing him and his war policies. Treason is defined in Article 3, Section 3 of the Constitution as “only . . . levying war upon the United States” or “Giving Aid and Comfort to their enemies” (emphasis added). The word “their” is all important here, as it refers to “United States” in the plural, as in all the founding documents. It means the individual states, not something called “the United States government in Washington, D.C.”
Happy Worst President’s Day - LewRockwell

 

[San Souci]

Coolidge led us to Depression with his deregulation and encouraging speculation

Hoover took the blame

Nope. There was a World Wide depression. It took time to catch us here. And the Market Crash was caused by consumer stupidity. Buying on "Margin" it was called. Try looking it up.

 

[rightwinger]

Nope. There was a World Wide depression. It took time to catch us here. And the Market Crash was caused by consumer stupidity. Buying on "Margin" it was called. Try looking it up.

Which Coolidge encouraged through deregulation and indifference

 

[San Souci]

Which Coolidge encouraged through deregulation and indifference

So you are saying the Gov't should play Big Daddy? Buying Stock "On Margin" is kinda like over using your Credit Card.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Was he a great president or did his policies lead to the depression

Seems to be spilt among political lines

He was a GREAT PRESIDENT!

Hoovers and FDR policies, polar opposites of Coolidge lead to and prolonged the Depression

 

[rightwinger]

So you are saying the Gov't should play Big Daddy? Buying Stock "On Margin" is kinda like over using your Credit Card.

Yes, the Government should act as Big Daddy to ensure economic stability and ensure a level playing field

 

[San Souci]

Yes, the Government should act as Big Daddy to ensure economic stability and ensure a level playing field

Fuck a level playing field. Some people have more talent than others. Should a "Joe Schmo" with little talent get the same salary as Willie Mays?

 

[rightwinger]

Fuck a level playing field. Some people have more talent than others. Should a "Joe Schmo" with little talent get the same salary as Willie Mays?

Having more money and more power does not equate to more talent

A major corporation can put a small competitor out of business if Govt doesn’t protect them

 

[San Souci]

Having more money and more power does not equate to more talent

A major corporation can put a small competitor out of business if Govt doesn’t protect them

Yes it does. It takes Brains ,Talent ,and Ambition to make Big Money. Some do it Honest. (most). Some do it crooked. But the results are the same. It works in levels. A Plumber has much more talent than a Ditch digger. A Computer analyst has more talent than a plumber. And so on. All people are NOT Equal. The intelligent and ambitious ALWAYS rule the simple minded. Ever since Fire was invented. This "Equity for All" is a filthy Commie Pipe dream.

 

[Dante]

Having more money and more power does not equate to more talent

A major corporation can put a small competitor out of business if Govt doesn’t protect them

You're arguing with a small minded, son of a bitch

 

[San Souci]

You're arguing with a small minded, son of a bitch

Really? I did not know adult Americans NEEDED constant "Protection". You will find there is a huge difference between "Equality" and "Equity".

 

[Dante]

Was he a great president or did his policies lead to the depression

Seems to be spilt among political lines

Really? Political or ideological lines?

I don't believe you know much about it. Not sure why you've made the attempt to highlight your ignorance.