Calm Thread: Does Trump/DeSantis 2024 Satisfy?

[Mr. Friscus]

Well, I'm glad you are limiting your argument to just Tebow and not the wife-beaters, dog-fighters, and drug-users who got to keep on working at the NFL Crime Blotter.

So let's review how he was avoided after Denver didn't resign him

Tim Tebow - Wikipedia

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Traded to the NY Jets in 2012.
Signed by the New England Patriots in 2013
Signed by the Philadelphia Eagles in 2013
Finished his career at the Jacksonville Jaguars.
Meanwhile, he also had a gig as a broadcaster starting in 2013 with ESPN.

This doesn't sound like the NFL was "avoiding" him.

Why do you continue to attempt to jut into a world that you admit, and obviously I can tell, you know nothing about? Will your ego not allow you to let it go?

And why are you not blaming Kaepernick for his own situation?
- He played awful his last season, and his days of being a running QB were over, meaning his average at best passing game wouldn't stand on its own. He started the first 11 games, the team went 1-10. He was exposed as the latest running QB who couldn't take the pounding from NFL linebackers over years, and wasn't good enough just hanging in the pocket without the threat of the run. That was his meal ticket, and he lost it.
- Once he was benched, as any QB leading a 1-10 team usually is, THAT is when he started kneeling, and he continually made things about himself and his political stances, distracting the team causing the press to flood the team with questions and controversy.
- He mocked cops with pig socks, which comes across as childish, immature, and dramatic, not things you want in your QB.
- He opted out of his contract with the 49ers in which he was still owed like 14 million, he wasn't released. So he turned down team #1.
- His massive controversy he openly sought was an instant mark against him, as the Seahawks looked at him but didn't want a QB competition (insight: If you have a QB you're dedicated to strategically and monetarily, you don't bring in loud, disruptive backups that cause drama, even if they're somewhate good. Since you don't know this, I'm happy to inform you), The Raiders also brought him in for a tryout. If you're being shunned, teams wouldn't even bother.
- He was sought by Baltimore, who was ready to sign him, but then Kaep's girlfriend posted what was seen as a racist tweet against their star Linebacker Ray Lewis (who is black, since you care about that stuff so much). Lewis said that turned off the organization and they went with RG3 instead, a QB with similar skills. Drama.
- Denver offered to trade for him as long as he took a pay cut from 11 million to 7 million, he declined. He turned down team #2.
- Tons of teams came to see him workout, only for him to pull back at the last minute over laughably minimal things like practice WR's (no QB cares as there's no defense) and hold his own workout at a local high school stadium. More drama and inflexibility.

The guy sabotaged himself. He wasn't good enough to even out his baggage and immaturity.

Nope. What happened on J6 was inexcusable.

It was a pillow fight compared to George Floyd riots.

They didn't have a legitimate grievance that was ignored for more than a decade.

Who decides what is "legitimate".. you? LMAO

He still instigated a riot.

He called for peace, that's a fact. You can continue to spread misinformation, but a fact is a fact.

Quite the reverse. Usually, all we have to go on is police narratives, and the funny thing about cops is their ability to make whatever you did sound a lot worse than it actually was.

Sounds like you have some personal hangups honestly.

It shouldn't be fiction if the cops aren't racist. They should be accidently shooting a proportionate number of white people in bad shoots.

Do all races supply the same amount of violence? No, they don't, so says FBI data. 3% of the population (Young black males) cause nearly 50% of homicides. So yes, they'll be shot at more by police when they're actively killing people at such a high rate. And as you know, they're usually killing other blacks, but you don't care about those black lives.. at all. You haven't made a peep about it. Your "support" for blacks is a farce, because you ignore the 90% and focus on the 0.01% with all of your gusto.

 

[Mr. Friscus]

Then why do you guys keep bringing it up? The issue with the laptop is that it's fake

On November 21, CBS News finally aired a segment “confirming” that it “independently verified” the contents of the president’s son’s computer which he left behind at a Delaware repair shop. This “news” came nearly two and a half years after the laptop first popped up during the 2020 election cycle.

Two years ago Donald Trump told CBS’s Lesley Stahl on 60 Minutes the Hunter Biden laptop was real and should be covered by the media. Stahl said it couldn’t be verified. Two years later @cbsnews has finally verified it. Trump was right. Again.

CBS Finally Admits Hunter’s Laptop Is Real…More Than Two Years After The Fact | The Daily Wire

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Remember, in October 2020, 51 intelligence community officials signed a letter saying that Hunter Biden’s infamous laptop was Russian disinformation. That's 51 intel officials who were not only wrong, but willing to put their reputations on the line and go public with it. Obviously, we have intel officials who are either very bad at their jobs, or activists.

If only those who were wrong and aggressively suppressed the story could be held to some accountability. But, it's real, and no tin foil hat will prevent it.

 

[JoeB131]

Ahistoric by any measure. A joke. Simple minds need to simplify things so they can better make sense of the world and not think as much.

Not really. Again, the real problem here is that we had 50 years of "Lost Cause" mythology that tried to paint what the Confederacy did in a better light. But if you look at the contemporary words of the Confederates, from the common soldier to their officials, it was about slavery.

Our new Government is founded upon exactly the opposite ideas; its foundations are laid, its cornerstone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery, subordination to the superior race, is his natural and moral condition. [Applause.] This, our new Government, is the first, in the history of the world, based upon this great physical, philosophical, and moral truth. - Alexander Stephens, Vice President of the Confederacy.

Now, yeah, after they had been defeated, it became about "States rights" and "economic oppression from the North"... but it was about... slavery.

You keep saying it, but you don't provide any proof. You bring up anecdotals in a nation of 340,000,000 people, 13% of which are black, so 50+ million. By all means, the floor is yours to describe how the nation as a whole is racist. Today it certainly is not.

Yet that 13% are more likely to be poor. More likely to have police records. More likely to be passed over for job opportunities. More likely to be pulled over by police on pretextual stops. Less likely to get into college.

Well then, I'm not sure what you're mad about. So are you mad at your side for constantly trying to censor people?

Nope. Because the people we want to censor NEED to be censored.

See, here comes the Orwellian lingo... what is the "public good"? Who defines it? You?

Anyone with a lick of sense. We've SEEN what Nazis do when they get their way. This is why the Germans have the good sense to throw their Neo-Nazis in prison.

Nope
- You can attempt to say that 80% of America is Christian, but that would be rather short-sighted. Relying on that is like relying on a gym membership list that has 100 people, and saying there are 100 healthy gym goers. Half of them signed up on New Years and stopped going after 2 weeks, and many are out of shape. 100 people have memberships, but only 30-40 are healthy gym goers. The same applies here. Anyone can check a box, or be a C&E Christian, and plenty can be modernist cafeteria catholics. There's a difference between dedicated church goers who submit to church doctrine and someone who goes once a year with family on Christmas and openly advocates for things outside of the church.

Ah, you are going for the "No True Scotsman" fallacy here. I love that one.

The fact is, most of the Christian Right are flaming hypocrites, and most of you aren't anything CLOSE to what Jesus talked about. You don't love your neighbors. You don't treat people the way you'd want to be treated. You define Christianity as hating gays and Mexicans. Just like Jesus did. No, really! And loving Donald Trump, because there is a fine example of a Christian Man when he has sex with porn stars!!!

- Christians are quite allowed to be openly mocked, ridiculed, and berated with no social consequences... and we can take it. We aren't powder puffs like other groups. However, I'm allowed to bring up the reality for a little perspective.

Quite the contrary, calling you on your hypocrisy isn't oppressing you.

I've never done that. If you can point out where I did, supply it. If not, you're spreading misinformation.

When you try to claim most of the hundreds of black people shot by police had it coming.

The first records of the word apartheid in English come from the 1940s. It's an Afrikaans word in which the suffix -heid means -hood, as in a state or condition. In this way, apartheid basically means “apartness” or “the state of being apart.” It can be interpreted as meaning “separation” or “segregation.”

Right. Exactly what the Zionists are doing to the Palestinians.

Muslims live freely in Israel. So I'm glad I could correct your misinformation.

What do you mean, "Freely"? They are confined to camps, they aren't allowed to vote, they are subjected to check points, and oh, yeah, the Zionists bomb them on a regular basis.

Why should I, or Israel, care about a popularity contest that involves extremely immoral nations? If you spend your time overlooking murderous regimes such as Iran, Syria, etc. and denouncing Israel (who holds far greater morals and valueing of human rights)... that says a lot about you. I'd focus on the people who use their civilians/children as fodder while openly attacking innocents (the countries surrounding Israel) rather than the one that actively defends their civilians with resources and attempts to avoid civilians (Isreal).

Iran and Syria aren't being sustained by American tax dollars. The Zionist Entity is.

The Jewish people also have a right to exist, as they are a clear group like others who have achieved nationhood. The Middle East is gigantic, and Israel is the size of New Jersey. Palestine and Muslims have routinely rejected a 2 state solution, and will only accept the destruction of Israel. That tells you who is mature and moral, and who are rabid barbarians.

Jew isn't a race or an ethnicity, it's a religion. Basing your state on religion is always wrong. The fact is, the Zionist squatters of Europe stole that land. Jews hadn't lived in Palestine in significant numbers for well over 1800 years, when the Romans drove them out.

 

[justoffal]

I think it checks all the boxes...

Now, if you're going to just post some stupid one line post that doesn't address the issue, please run along.

The GOP's problem here (all political parties have them come election time) is that you don't want to alienate Trump too much so that he breaks away to run 3rd party. I don't put anything past "The Donald" (I voted for him twice), his greatest strength is also his greatest weakness, and he simply can't help himself. I get that he's a brash buffoon, but he has infinitely better policy than the Democrat party for human beings who live the United States.. so even if he acts stupidly and lets his ego get into drama... that's like 10% of the issue. It's policy.

So, if Trump's policy is legit, and Ron Desantis is clearly on board with shutting down "Woke" culture, why not have your cake and eat it too.. and run Trump/DeSantis 2024, and then DeSantis can run 2028 and possibly be reelected in 2032... 12 years of anti-woke presidential vigor.

Personally, I'd like Desantis yesterday... but Trump has a loyal Conservative following that would be required to defeat a MSM/Big Tech/Hollywood/Acadmia-backed Democrat party. Consider the end results, not any petty individual pride for a second.

Trump needs to select someone who's not a firebrand. He needs a calm, cerebral and decent individual who can address the public with respect like Mike Pence did. Frankly Pence is still his best choice but I guess the 2 are longer on speaking terms. I think 20% of Trump's winning votes and 16 were there because he had Pence on the ticket.

 

[JoeB131]

Why do you continue to attempt to jut into a world that you admit, and obviously I can tell, you know nothing about? Will your ego not allow you to let it go?

And why are you not blaming Kaepernick for his own situation?
- He played awful his last season, and his days of being a running QB were over, meaning his average at best passing game wouldn't stand on its own. He started the first 11 games, the team went 1-10. He was exposed as the latest running QB who couldn't take the pounding from NFL linebackers over years, and wasn't good enough just hanging in the pocket without the threat of the run. That was his meal ticket, and he lost it.

First, lots of awful quarterbacks get to keep their jobs. Second, the NFL settled with him for the blackballing, so there isn't any dispute that is exactly what happened. He protested police violence, he was blackballed. And come on, man, he didn't stand up for a stupid song! It wasn't like he was fighting dogs, taking drugs or beating the snot out of his wife, all things the NFL is just fine with.

It was a pillow fight compared to George Floyd riots.

Nope. It was an attempt to overthrow a legitimate election and threaten members of Congress. That's a lot worse than breaking a few windows.

He called for peace, that's a fact. You can continue to spread misinformation, but a fact is a fact.

He called for the riots to stop after the people around him BEGGED HIM TO, because they realized how badly it was playing on national TV.

Sounds like you have some personal hangups honestly.

Nope, just realizing that when you give an insecure bully a badge and a gun, he'll probably abuse it.

Do all races supply the same amount of violence? No, they don't, so says FBI data. 3% of the population (Young black males) cause nearly 50% of homicides. So yes, they'll be shot at more by police when they're actively killing people at such a high rate. And as you know, they're usually killing other blacks, but you don't care about those black lives.. at all. You haven't made a peep about it. Your "support" for blacks is a farce, because you ignore the 90% and focus on the 0.01% with all of your gusto.

Quite the contrary. Chicago attempted to get gun violence under control by passing common sense gun laws, and the NRA ran to the courts and whined about them. "The Founding Fathers wanted me to have a Mac-10!"

Of course, most people are going to be murdered by their own race. But let's get real here. we have 25,000 homicides a year in this country, and 1000 of them a year are at the hands of police. It's a lot more than .01%. I guess .01% are "Times someone caught us violating civil rights on tape, dammit!"

On November 21, CBS News finally aired a segment “confirming” that it “independently verified” the contents of the president’s son’s computer which he left behind at a Delaware repair shop. This “news” came nearly two and a half years after the laptop first popped up during the 2020 election cycle.

Um, they verified a copy of it. Why did you link to the Daily WIre instead of the actual CBS report.

Here is the ACTUAL report.

Data from a laptop that the lawyer for a Delaware computer repair shop owner says was left by Hunter Biden in 2019 – and which the shop owner later provided to the FBI under subpoena – shows no evidence of tampering or fabrication, according to an independent review commissioned by CBS News.

Brian Della Rocca, the lawyer for the shop owner, provided to CBS News what he called an "exact copy" of the laptop data provided to federal investigators nearly three years ago. Della Rocca said he considers it "clean" because it predates versions that were widely circulated by Republican operatives to attack then-candidate Joe Biden before the 2020 presidential election.

The independent analysis, by two cyber investigators from Minneapolis-based Computer Forensics Services, found no evidence that the user data had been modified, fabricated or tampered with. Nor did it find any new files originating after April 2019, when store records indicate Biden dropped it off for repair.

After two years of scrutiny, the laptop has produced mountains of material about Hunter Biden's personal struggles, and his foreign business ventures in Ukraine and with China. It has not produced direct evidence President Biden benefited from his son's business dealings.

Okay. Wow.

Not the actual laptop. DATA From the laptop.
The Laptop that passed through several hands.
What I am not seeing.

Video of Hunter Biden dropping it off. Nope, just the word of a shop owner who is legally blind.
A sales record showing he purchased that laptop (They have serial numbers, so it should be easy to track)
Hunter's fingerprints on the laptop.

Here's the thing... I have no doubt some of the electronic documents are genuine. You put in 99% of non-incriminating genuine documents, throw in a few deep fake videos of him with a hooker, photoshop in a few crack pipes and there you go.

 

[Mr. Friscus]

Not really. Again, the real problem here is that we had 50 years of "Lost Cause" mythology that tried to paint what the Confederacy did in a better light. But if you look at the contemporary words of the Confederates, from the common soldier to their officials, it was about slavery.

Our new Government is founded upon exactly the opposite ideas; its foundations are laid, its cornerstone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery, subordination to the superior race, is his natural and moral condition. [Applause.] This, our new Government, is the first, in the history of the world, based upon this great physical, philosophical, and moral truth. - Alexander Stephens, Vice President of the Confederacy.

Now, yeah, after they had been defeated, it became about "States rights" and "economic oppression from the North"... but it was about... slavery.

- Slavery was largely the example amidst the greater issue of how powerful the federal gov't is and the most powerful issue in any country, economic divisiveness. It wasn't the central issue, but certainly issue 1A.
- And being that you don't know history, the Civil War wasn't about "North = no slaves, good... South = slaves, bad". At the beginning of the war the North owned slaves. The Emancipation was largely a war-time move, only applied to the South, not to the North, so they could continue to own them.
- Lincoln wasn't anti-slavery, the entire beginning of the war had nothing to do with slavery, but his desire to preserve the union, even if it meant slavery remaining legal. Slavery only became a big part once the emancipation was put into effect on the south to gut the south by numbers and economy, and to enlist more cannon fodder for expendable soldiers.

That's just the beginning of it. I'm glad I could educate you beneath your neanderthal bumper stickers.

Yet that 13% are more likely to be poor.

Okay, and? Why do you suppose that is?
You: "Duhhh racism... ughhh racism.."
Reality: Single parent households, a culture of mocking people who succeed and accusing them of betraying their culture, low numbers of high school graduation, high numbers of pregnancy before marriage.

I address the issue and its details, you recite bumper stickers.

More likely to have police records.

Why do you think that is? Do all cultures act the same, and any discrepancies are due to system? Or do people act differently? You know the answer, but your ideology won't allow you to say it.

Less likely to get into college.

The ones that want to go are actually given lower standards so they can get in to fill racist race quotas, all the while setting them up for failure by putting someone who wasn't qualified into a high-end, extremely intellectually competitive environment... thus an extremely high drop out rate, increased debt. The quota often F's them over in the long run, but then the people supporting the problem blame others for it.

Nope. Because the people we want to censor NEED to be censored.

And who decides what "needs to be censored"? You?

Anyone with a lick of sense.

Who decides what makes sense? You? The radical idealogue?

Ah, you are going for the "No True Scotsman" fallacy here. I love that one.

You're free to say a guy who goes to the gym every day and has 10% body fat is the same as someone who doesn't go at all and has 40% body fat... because hey, they both have a gym membership. LMAO.

The fact is, most of the Christian Right are flaming hypocrites, and most of you aren't anything CLOSE to what Jesus talked about. You don't love your neighbors. You don't treat people the way you'd want to be treated. You define Christianity as hating gays and Mexicans.

You claimed you went to Catholic school, obviously you didn't pay attention. No wonder you hate it so much. I can offer you some literature of what the church actually is if you'd like.

Just like Jesus did. No, really! And loving Donald Trump, because there is a fine example of a Christian Man when he has sex with porn stars!!!

You'd think the left and its sexual revolution would love such things. Odd how it's celebrated until such infidelity is done by a political opponent... then you become hypersensitive, appalled... like a 1950's housewife who here's her child say a cuss word for the first time. It's comical to watch.

Quite the contrary, calling you on your hypocrisy isn't oppressing you.

You're free to debate and make claims, the difference is I won't call you "hateful" for merely disagreeing and discussing a topic, nor will I advocate for you to be censored or jump on a censorship bandwagon if others are trying to censor you. Even though it'd be easier for me, it wouldn't be right. I know holding consistent standards is a foreign concept to you, which is why I'm explaining it so carefully so you can follow along.

When you try to claim most of the hundreds of black people shot by police had it coming.

Nobody said that or anything in the same solar system, you're either having a conversation with yourself or have the wrong poster.

 

[Mr. Friscus]

What do you mean, "Freely"? They are confined to camps, they aren't allowed to vote, they are subjected to check points, and oh, yeah, the Zionists bomb them on a regular basis.

Israel is a Democracy in which Arab citizens have the same rights and live by the same laws as the Jewish population. You're spreading anti-semetic misinformation, Joseph Goebbels would very much approve and give you a double thumbs up.

Jew isn't a race or an ethnicity, it's a religion.

Fact Check False: In the 1980s, the United States Supreme Court ruled that Jews are a race, at least for purposes of certain anti-discrimination laws. However, that doesn't appear to be some big deal in Jewish communities... They are a religion, a nationality, and a culture.. a clearly distinct group of people. You might hate them, but they are a people large enough that in world history are given plots of land, especially ones they had and were forced out of.

Basing your state on religion is always wrong. The fact is, the Zionist squatters of Europe stole that land. Jews hadn't lived in Palestine in significant numbers for well over 1800 years, when the Romans drove them out.

Jews were there far before any of these modern Palestine activists, that's a historical fact.

 

[JoeB131]

- Slavery was largely the example amidst the greater issue of how powerful the federal gov't is and the most powerful issue in any country, economic divisiveness. It wasn't the central issue, but certainly issue 1A.

Nope, it was the only issue. State rights was about the Federal government banning slavery. That's why they went to war when an known abolitionist took office.

- And being that you don't know history, the Civil War wasn't about "North = no slaves, good... South = slaves, bad". At the beginning of the war the North owned slaves. The Emancipation was largely a war-time move, only applied to the South, not to the North, so they could continue to own them.

But then the 13th Amendment applied to all of them. It probably should have been issued first day of the war.

- Lincoln wasn't anti-slavery, the entire beginning of the war had nothing to do with slavery, but his desire to preserve the union, even if it meant slavery remaining legal. Slavery only became a big part once the emancipation was put into effect on the south to gut the south by numbers and economy, and to enlist more cannon fodder for expendable soldiers.

Nope. You get confused. Lincoln didn't start the war... the South did. They attacked first, before Lincoln even took office.

Reality: Single parent households, a culture of mocking people who succeed and accusing them of betraying their culture, low numbers of high school graduation, high numbers of pregnancy before marriage.

Yup, you're racist.

Why do you think that is? Do all cultures act the same, and any discrepancies are due to system? Or do people act differently? You know the answer, but your ideology won't allow you to say it.

More like, how police treat white people vs. black people. My Trump supporting younger brother got into all sorts of trouble when he was young. But because the family kept bailing him out, he doesn't have a police record today. But black kids, they get slapped with police records that follow them about for the rest of their lives.

The ones that want to go are actually given lower standards so they can get in to fill racist race quotas, all the while setting them up for failure by putting someone who wasn't qualified into a high-end, extremely intellectually competitive environment... thus an extremely high drop out rate, increased debt. The quota often F's them over in the long run, but then the people supporting the problem blame others for it.

See, exactly my point. It isn't like we are actually basing it on merit. Legacies, athletics, dean's interest, children of staff all get consideration. The Varsity Blues scandal shows what a corrupt joke college admissions are. But instead of, "let's fix this to make it more equitable", it's "Let's block the black kids who had slightly lower scores on a test designed by a racist!"

(Yes, the SAT was designed by a racist. Look it up.)

You're free to say a guy who goes to the gym every day and has 10% body fat is the same as someone who doesn't go at all and has 40% body fat... because hey, they both have a gym membership. LMAO.

Um, no. Frankly, the least "Christian" people I know are the Christian Right. As for someone who isn't spending every day groveling in front of an imaginary sky man, doesn't make them "less" Christian.

You claimed you went to Catholic school, obviously you didn't pay attention. No wonder you hate it so much. I can offer you some literature of what the church actually is if you'd like.

Nope... had to put up with that perverted, disgusting religion for 12 years. Psycho nuns and priests you didn't want to be left alone in a room with.

You'd think the left and its sexual revolution would love such things. Odd how it's celebrated until such infidelity is done by a political opponent... then you become hypersensitive, appalled... like a 1950's housewife who here's her child say a cuss word for the first time. It's comical to watch.

Here's the major difference. Bill Clinton wasn't telling the rest of us how to live our sex lives. Neither were his supporters. Trump, on the other hand, is supported by people who pretty much want to put our sexual mores back to where they were in 1950. But as long as Trump appointed judges who don't support reproductive rights, Trump could be sacrificing virgins to C'Thulhu and you'd still support him.

You're free to debate and make claims, the difference is I won't call you "hateful" for merely disagreeing and discussing a topic, nor will I advocate for you to be censored or jump on a censorship bandwagon if others are trying to censor you. Even though it'd be easier for me, it wouldn't be right. I know holding consistent standards is a foreign concept to you, which is why I'm explaining it so carefully so you can follow along.

No, guy, your side wants to ban abortion, gay marriage, transgenderism, you pass silly "Don't say gay" laws and want to ban CRT in the schools. Please don't come riding in on a high horse.

Nobody said that or anything in the same solar system, you're either having a conversation with yourself or have the wrong poster.

Um, you claim that only about 10-15 black people murdered by the police were actually murdered.
Which means you think the rest of them had it coming!
It's simple logic.

 

[JoeB131]

Israel is a Democracy in which Arab citizens have the same rights and live by the same laws as the Jewish population. You're spreading anti-semetic misinformation.

No, they don't. Of the some 8 million Palestinians, only about 1 million have voting rights, and their political parties aren't allowed to join governing coalitions.

Fact Check False: In the 1980s, the United States Supreme Court ruled that Jews are a race, at least for purposes of certain anti-discrimination laws. However, that doesn't appear to be some big deal in Jewish communities... They are a religion, a nationality, and a culture.. a clearly distinct group of people. You might hate them, but they are a people large enough that in world history are given plots of land, especially ones they had and were forced out of.

Oh, so when the court rules that fetuses aren't people, you are okay with that, right?

The Zionist Entity is a colonial states, hated in most of the world for good reason.

Jews were there far before any of these modern Palestine activists, that's a historical fact.

No they didn't. They are white people from Europe.

 

[Mr. Friscus]

First, lots of awful quarterbacks get to keep their jobs.

Yes, for minimum salaries, and ones that don't cause drama. As I noted, Kaep turned down the 49ers and Broncos because they didn't offer him 10's of millions of dollars. His fault. Hold an ounce of accountability for once in your life.

Second, the NFL settled with him for the blackballing, so there isn't any dispute that is exactly what happened. He protested police violence, he was blackballed.

He got a measly sub-10 million settlement to just go away. Giant corporations, entities, and leagues do that all the time. I explained why he sabotaged himself in detail, you chose to ignore it and continue to recite bumper stickers.

And come on, man, he didn't stand up for a stupid song! It wasn't like he was fighting dogs, taking drugs or beating the snot out of his wife, all things the NFL is just fine with.

You're proving my point. Do you know what players get second chances after things like that? Very talented ones. Mike Vick was a once in a generation talent, Kareem Hunt led the league in rushing... those are the guys who get second chances. Not washed up, ineffective QB's who go 1-10 and then start dramatics on the side-line to distract the team.

Nope. It was an attempt to overthrow a legitimate election and threaten members of Congress. That's a lot worse than breaking a few windows.

Tell that to the 30-40 people who died during the summer of George Floyd riots, and to the hundreds to thousands of people who went to the hospital with severe injuries, and to the home and business owners who had their livelihoods and property burned to the ground. Where's your bleeding heart for them? LOL.

Nope, just realizing that when you give an insecure bully a badge and a gun, he'll probably abuse it.

That's like me saying that because multiple public school teachers have improper relations with a students, then the entire teaching profession is producing such behavior and complicit with it, and if you give a pedophile a teaching job, they'll probably abuse it. Do you see how dumb you sound? and how much you're lashing out at 99.9999% of good honest people, assuming the worst?

we have 25,000 homicides a year in this country, and 1000 of them a year are at the hands of police. It's a lot more than .01%. I guess .01% are "Times someone caught us violating civil rights on tape, dammit!"

I hate to have to explain the obvious, but cops tend to kill people who are trying to kill them. You're attempting to count police killing people who are shooting at them as "murders". Do you realize how stupid that is? You keep trying to chorale more and more different issues, getting more vague, and you keep running away from the central point; unarmed black men. That's the BLM and rabid leftist talking point. Innocent, unarmed black people are being murdered all the time. That's the claim. The numbers say that's not true, and you're spreading fear, terror, and misinformation. Shame on you.

Here's the thing... I have no doubt some of the electronic documents are genuine. You put in 99% of non-incriminating genuine documents, throw in a few deep fake videos of him with a hooker, photoshop in a few crack pipes and there you go.

Only the "non-incriminating" ones? What about the ones they're going to look into now? I don't care that Hunter Biden is a drug addict who abuses women, although Joe thinks very highly of him and calls Hunter the smartest man he knows. What does that say? Yikes! Doesn't sound like our president is very "with it"...

 

[JoeB131]

Yes, for minimum salaries, and ones that don't cause drama. As I noted, Kaep turned down the 49ers and Broncos because they didn't offer him 10's of millions of dollars. His fault. Hold an ounce of accountability for once in your life.

Nope. Should have paid him the money and let him run another season or two. a 1-10 season isn't all on the quarterback.

He got a measly sub-10 million settlement to just go away. Giant corporations, entities, and leagues do that all the time. I explained why he sabotaged himself in detail, you chose to ignore it and continue to recite bumper stickers.

Yup, because they ALREADY SETTLED and admitted he was blackballed.

You're proving my point. Do you know what players get second chances after things like that? Very talented ones. Mike Vick was a once in a generation talent, Kareem Hunt led the league in rushing... those are the guys who get second chances. Not washed up, ineffective QB's who go 1-10 and then start dramatics on the side-line to distract the team.

OH, please, Vick was hardly a once in a generation talent... and he was TORTURING ANIMALS!

Tell that to the 30-40 people who died during the summer of George Floyd riots, and to the hundreds to thousands of people who went to the hospital with severe injuries, and to the home and business owners who had their livelihoods and property burned to the ground. Where's your bleeding heart for them? LOL.

Most of the people killed or injured in the George Floyd Riots were killed or injured by cops.

That's like me saying that because multiple public school teachers have improper relations with a students, then the entire teaching profession is producing such behavior and complicit with it, and if you give a pedophile a teaching job, they'll probably abuse it. Do you see how dumb you sound? and how much you're lashing out at 99.9999% of good honest people, assuming the worst?

As stated before, the problem with the cop culture is their need to cover up for the bad apples, like the people in the Laquan McDonald case, where false statements were filed, witnesses were intimidated, and hush money was paid to the family.

If you want to go with that analogy, it's pretty close to what the Catholic Church did with pedophile priests for decades. Move them from parish to parish, pay hush money to the families, etc.

I hate to have to explain the obvious, but cops tend to kill people who are trying to kill them. You're attempting to count police killing people who are shooting at them as "murders". Do you realize how stupid that is? You keep trying to chorale more and more different issues, getting more vague, and you keep running away from the central point; unarmed black men. That's the BLM and rabid leftist talking point. Innocent, unarmed black people are being murdered all the time. That's the claim. The numbers say that's not true, and you're spreading fear, terror, and misinformation. Shame on you.

Actually, if shots were exchanged, you might have a point. BUt they shoot people for merely have a gun or a knife or a baseball bat. Frankly, I find it hard to believe that cops NEED to kill 1000 Americans a year but British cops only need to kill 5 people a year.

Only the "non-incriminating" ones? What about the ones they're going to look into now? I don't care that Hunter Biden is a drug addict who abuses women, although Joe thinks very highly of him and calls Hunter the smartest man he knows. What does that say? Yikes! Doesn't sound like our president is very "with it"...

Actually, Hunter is bright, as he has a fairly impressive resume, having been tapped for jobs long before his Dad ever became VP. Even Bush appointed him to the Amtrak board.

 

[Mr. Friscus]

Nope, it was the only issue.

Nope. You're programmed with BLM/CRT propaganda.

State rights was about the Federal government banning slavery. That's why they went to war when an known abolitionist took office.

Yes, it was about the power of the federal gov't... it could have been any issue that sparked it.

But then the 13th Amendment applied to all of them. It probably should have been issued first day of the war.

If the war was "only about slavery", Lincoln would have eliminated slavery for all, and not allowed northerners to hold them. He also wouldn't have said he'd support slavery remaining legal as long as the nation remained united. So, your narrative is false, but I'm sure you'll continue the Goebbels tactic.

Nope. You get confused. Lincoln didn't start the war... the South did.

Fact: The north fortified a fort on foreign soil, and that newly foreign entity, the Confederacy, attacked them for it.

Much like the US setting a line during the Cuban Missile Crisis, and if the russians crossed it with nukes it would have been considered an act of war... the north committed the same act of war, and the south started the fighting. Historians (people you know nothing about) have pretty good evidence it was done intentionally to begin a war

They attacked first, before Lincoln even took office.

Fact check false: Ft. Sumter was attacked on April 12th, 1861. Lincoln was elected March 4th 1861. I'm glad I could correct your misinformation/lie.

Yup, you're racist.

Ah yes, The desperate final temper tantrum of a leftist when one attempts to debate race with them, bring up factual points and common admitted norms in the black community that bust their simple, bumper sticker narratives... you concede, and I gladly accept your surrender.

More like, how police treat white people vs. black people. My Trump supporting younger brother got into all sorts of trouble when he was young. But because the family kept bailing him out, he doesn't have a police record today. But black kids, they get slapped with police records that follow them about for the rest of their lives.

Nice Anecdote. Cool story bro. Let me know when you have anything above the least of rhetorical capital and mass assumptions based on them.

See, exactly my point. It isn't like we are actually basing it on merit. Legacies, athletics, dean's interest, children of staff all get consideration. The Varsity Blues scandal shows what a corrupt joke college admissions are. But instead of, "let's fix this to make it more equitable", it's "Let's block the black kids who had slightly lower scores on a test designed by a racist!"

Lowering standards to involve a race is soft bigotry against that race... you're saying they aren't good enough and need your help to compete with the rest of society. Conservatives don't believe in holding such negative views on a race, all people are held to the same standards. I don't know why you think black people need your extra help, they can be just as successful and brilliant as anyone else if they apply themselves and aren't hamstrung by cultural self-inflected wounds.

Um, no. Frankly, the least "Christian" people I know are the Christian Right. As for someone who isn't spending every day groveling in front of an imaginary sky man, doesn't make them "less" Christian.

More anecdotes. Cool story bro.

Nope... had to put up with that perverted, disgusting religion for 12 years. Psycho nuns and priests you didn't want to be left alone in a room with.

You're far more likely to be a pedophile than any priest. So... you probably shouldn't be around children.

Here's the major difference. Bill Clinton wasn't telling the rest of us how to live our sex lives. Neither were his supporters. Trump, on the other hand, is supported by people who pretty much want to put our sexual mores back to where they were in 1950. But as long as Trump appointed judges who don't support reproductive rights, Trump could be sacrificing virgins to C'Thulhu and you'd still support him.

The fact that you think your political opposition would support murder tells all. You're radically delusional with extreme strawmen. Trump never advocated for his sex life, and Conservatives didn't praise him for it.

No, guy, your side wants to ban abortion, gay marriage, transgenderism, you pass silly "Don't say gay" laws and want to ban CRT in the schools. Please don't come riding in on a high horse.

Why not? I clearly should be compared to you as far as being rational, level-headed, and moral... However, in general I'm just a humble conservative. You, on the other hand, constantly spew unhinged, radical, strawmen rants... it makes you look like you're in 7th grade.

Um, you claim that only about 10-15 black people murdered by the police were actually murdered.
Which means you think the rest of them had it coming!
It's simple logic.

Nope, you're again trying to find the simplest "logic" possible to avoid thinking... aka more bumper stickers. Resisting arrest, attacking officers, or making sudden movements can spell disaster for anyone of any race when dealing with police. People like you are routinely encouraging the black community to think they are victims of prejudice no matter what the circumstance is, and any involvement by police is racist, thus, fighting "racism" is virtuous and justified. Thus, more resisting arrest happens, and altercations occur. You own many deaths in the black community at the hands of police by convincing them to fight and resist police. If you really cared, you'd say to submit to police and don't give any reason to escalate things so there aren't any misunderstandings. However, I don't think your side truly wants racism to go anywhere, as its a divisive political tactic and a money making operation. The demand for racism today far exceeds the supply, so you create it where you can under every rock. You cannot point to where the laws are that are racist, yet you continue to recite BLM/CRT propaganda like a parrot. Until you can prove anything, and we can then fight racism together... you're just the latest con man.

 

[JoeB131]

If the war was "only about slavery", Lincoln would have eliminated slavery for all, and not allowed northerners to hold them. He also wouldn't have said he'd support slavery remaining legal as long as the nation remained united. So, your narrative is false, but I'm sure you'll continue the Goebbels tactic.

Except Slavery is allowed for in the constitution, which is why ANY state that stayed in the union couldn't be effected by the Emancipation Proclamation. Only COULD effect states in rebellion. This is why the 13th Amendment was required to end slavery.

Fact: The north fortified a fort on foreign soil, and that newly foreign entity, the Confederacy, attacked them for it.

The inbreds of the south were not their own country, and had no legal right to secede.

Fact check false: Ft. Sumter was attacked on April 12th, 1861. Lincoln was elected March 4th 1861. I'm glad I could correct your misinformation/lie.

Bullshit. The mobilization and seizure of federal facilities started long before Lincoln was inaugurated (not elected.)

Ah yes, The desperate final temper tantrum of a leftist when one attempts to debate race with them, bring up factual points and common admitted norms in the black community that bust their simple, bumper sticker narratives... you concede, and I gladly accept your surrender.

Guy, you are spending a whole post defending the Confederacy and the police murder of black people.

Nice Anecdote. Cool story bro. Let me know when you have anything above the least of rhetorical capital and mass assumptions based on them.

Um, reality. The police treat blacks differently than whites. you know it, i know it.

Lowering standards to involve a race is soft bigotry against that race... you're saying they aren't good enough and need your help to compete with the rest of society. Conservatives don't believe in holding such negative views on a race, all people are held to the same standards. I don't know why you think black people need your extra help, they can be just as successful and brilliant as anyone else if they apply themselves and aren't hamstrung by cultural self-inflected wounds.

Ohhh... standards. Right. So let me get this straight... if some knob gets into Harvard because Daddy was a legacy, that's okay for a lower standard, but a kid who gets good grades despite going to an underfunded urban school, well, fuck giving that kid a break.

You racist SHITS go on all day about "Stay in school" and "Don't do drugs" and "Keep out of Trouble" and "Don't have babies in high school". And when a black kid does all that, you'll say, "Sorry, kid, you didn't get a high enough score on a standardized test. "

You're far more likely to be a pedophile than any priest. So... you probably shouldn't be around children.

What do you base that on?

Here's why the Catholic Church had such a pedophile problem. Because before the gay liberation movement, the Church would shunt anyone they thought was gay into the Holy Orders. Which means their sexual development was arrested at about their teen years. Then you put guys who don't have a healthy interest in the opposite sex in a position of authority with young people.

The simple solution would be to allow married men - and women - to be ordained. But too simple for the stupid.

The fact that you think your political opposition would support murder tells all. You're radically delusional with extreme strawmen. Trump never advocated for his sex life, and Conservatives didn't praise him for it.

No, Trump just banned abortion through his court picks and rolled back LGBTQ+ rights. I think you missed my point about C'Thulhu, but you are kind of dense.

Why not? I clearly should be compared to you as far as being rational, level-headed, and moral... However, in general I'm just a humble conservative. You, on the other hand, constantly spew unhinged, radical, strawmen rants... it makes you look like you're in 7th grade.

You aren't fit to shine my shoes, BOY!

 

[JoeB131]

Nope, you're again trying to find the simplest "logic" possible to avoid thinking... aka more bumper stickers. Resisting arrest, attacking officers, or making sudden movements can spell disaster for anyone of any race when dealing with police.

Um, yeah, or we can have the crazy idea to not use deadly force for minor offenses.

You go back to the BLM cases- not a fucking one of them was doing something that merited the use of lethal force.

People like you are routinely encouraging the black community to think they are victims of prejudice no matter what the circumstance is, and any involvement by police is racist, thus, fighting "racism" is virtuous and justified.

Or that racism is pervasive in this society. True, they aren't all guys wrapping themselves in the Confederate flag like an inbred redneck.

It's often more subtle than that.

I tell this story often. In 2012, we had three going-away Luncheons for people leaving my department

1) A Chinese-American lady who had been with the company 9 years.
2) An African American Lady who had been with the company 2 years.
3) A white intern who had been with the company for three months.

NOW- Guess which one of those lunches our White General manager actually took time out of his schedule to go to? Come on, I know you can.

Two years later, this same boss downsized a black temp to create a position for his drinking buddy.

Thus, more resisting arrest happens, and altercations occur. You own many deaths in the black community at the hands of police by convincing them to fight and resist police. If you really cared, you'd say to submit to police and don't give any reason to escalate things so there aren't any misunderstandings.

Last time I checked, this was a free country. The funny thing is that if it comes to something like mask mandates or vaccines, you guys will SCREAM like maniacs about an overreaching government oppressing your rights!

But a black person resists a pretextual stop due to racial profiling, well, you just need to roll over and submit, or this cop will shoot you.

However, I don't think your side truly wants racism to go anywhere, as its a divisive political tactic and a money making operation. The demand for racism today far exceeds the supply, so you create it where you can under every rock. You cannot point to where the laws are that are racist, yet you continue to recite BLM/CRT propaganda like a parrot. Until you can prove anything, and we can then fight racism together... you're just the latest con man.

Again, it's not the laws that are racist, it's the application.

 

[beautress]

100%. 4 years of Trump and 8 of DeSantis might give us enough time to undo the damage done to our economy, and children...

Trump/DeSantis for training purposes.