Calling out Citygator

[Votto]

Citygator recently divulged the following to me.

I am not only a Christian but served for most of the decade on the church leadership team, weirdly called an “elder” even though I am not old. I teach Sunday school to 3rd/4th graders.

I had no idea, but what I do know is that he is an ardent supporter of the democrat party.

This thread is for him and for those that may be like him to be able to square the ideology of the DNC with that of their faith.

As for myself, I have no idea how one squares the two, but we will offer them their chance.

First up, abortion. That is the biggie. After all, the Nazi party was also into things like socialized medicine, something Citygator was championing when we had the conversation. He was all about getting poor folk medical care. However, as a Christian, how can you square away supporting the Nazi party for that knowing that they murder people in mass?

Any takers? I wonder if Citygator runs and hides like he refused to respond to me in the other thread, but hope springs eternal as I offer him another chance.

 

[pknopp]

If you are for health care for all, you associate that with the Nazi party? You say you are seriously asking questions but then post this?

Dismissed.

 

[Zincwarrior]

Your argument is that Democrats can't be Christian? Iam not going to reply with go **** your own face, but will say thats illogical and literally a troll thread in Section One. Reported.

 

[Votto]

If you are for health care for all, you associate that with the Nazi party? You say you are seriously asking questions but then post this?

Dismissed.

It happened.

The Nazi party had socialized healthcare, state run health care, and also conducted a genocide

As a Christian, who do you support and why?

 

[pknopp]

It happened.

The Nazi party had socialized healthcare, state run health care, and also conducted a genocide

As a Christian, who do you support and why?

Sorry, not interested in your warped mind.

 

[Votto]

Your argument is that Democrats can't be Christian? Iam not going to reply with go **** your own face, but will say thats illogical and literally a troll thread in Section One. Reported.

Again, this is our world.

As a Christian, these types of dilemmas confront us.

I was expecting people to say that I'm a Christian but don't really believe the unborn are real people, or something like that.

 

[Votto]

Sorry, not interested in your warped mind.

Are you a Christian? This thread if for Christians to show their support for the DNC and explain to other Christians that voting DNC is Ok.

 

[Zincwarrior]

Again, this is our world.

As a Christian, these types of dilemmas confront us.

I was expecting people to say that I'm a Christian but don't really believe the unborn are real people, or something like that.

You haven't the foggiest idea about Jesus' teachings.

In ours its not elders but the vestry. Three year gig.

 

[Votto]

You haven't the foggiest idea about Jesus' teachings.

In ours its not elders but the vestry. Three year gig.

Is it your position then that the unborn are not real people?

Would Jesus lovingly support abortion on demand and also want taxpayers to fund it?

Are you a Christian?

 

[pknopp]

Are you a Christian? This thread if for Christians to show their support for the DNC and explain to other Christians that voting DNC is Ok.

No, it's a thread you started to show your ignorance. Congrats, you succeeded.

 

[Votto]

No, it's a thread you started to show your ignorance. Congrats, you succeeded.

Is running from the light, i.e., asking open and honest questions a bad thing, or is people refusing to engage in conversation about it the bad thing?

 

[Votto]

Let me guess, it is Ok to call Trump Hitler.

I bet everyone who has responded so far would say as much.

 

[luiza]

Citygator recently divulged the following to me.

I am not only a Christian but served for most of the decade on the church leadership team, weirdly called an “elder” even though I am not old. I teach Sunday school to 3rd/4th graders.

I had no idea, but what I do know is that he is an ardent supporter of the democrat party.

This thread is for him and for those that may be like him to be able to square the ideology of the DNC with that of their faith.

As for myself, I have no idea how one squares the two, but we will offer them their chance.

First up, abortion. That is the biggie. After all, the Nazi party was also into things like socialized medicine, something Citygator was championing when we had the conversation. He was all about getting poor folk medical care. However, as a Christian, how can you square away supporting the Nazi party for that knowing that they murder people in mass?

Any takers? I wonder if Citygator runs and hides like he refused to respond to me in the other thread, but hope springs eternal as I offer him another chance.

Talking rationally to Cultists is a waste of time and effort.
They are committed to a Belief system and De-conditioning them is not worth the trouble.
Cult Christians are more likely to pay taxes and not commit crimes .
So Leave them be with their fellow Cultists .In blissful ignorance .

 

[Votto]

Talking rationally to Cultists is a waste of time and effort.
They are committed to a Belief system and De-conditioning them is not worth the trouble.
Cult Christians are more likely to pay taxes and not commit crimes .
So Leave them be with their fellow Cultists .In blissful ignorance .

Nazi Germany was full of such people. They were "Christians" or at least thought they were, even though there was nothing Christian about the Nazi party

And yes, Hitler claimed to be a Christian.

I highly recommend Bonhoeffer movie.

He was a man confronted with this very thing. His own church embraced the Nazi party and he was appalled as he said that the two were not compatible. For him, it was not possible, or it should not be possible, to be a Christian and vote Nazi.

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The movie also asks a tough question, as a Christian how should you resist such a regime? He took it upon himself to try and assassinate Hitler, something many well-meaning Democrats probably have tried to do to Trump because we are told he is Hitler 24/7 by the media.

 

[toobfreak]

I was expecting people to say that I'm a Christian but don't really believe the unborn are real people, or something like that.

Apparently there ARE some people who vote democrat and support:

1. Infant murder and organ harvesting for a profit.
2. A secular state.
3. Restrictions on their religious rights.
4. Confiscation of their ability to defend themselves.
5. Child mutilation.
6. Child brainwashing.
7. Corruption of the morals of minors.
8. The sexualization of children.

Yet still consider themselves good god-loving Christians.

 

[JoeB131]

Citygator recently divulged the following to me.

I am not only a Christian but served for most of the decade on the church leadership team, weirdly called an “elder” even though I am not old. I teach Sunday school to 3rd/4th graders.

I had no idea, but what I do know is that he is an ardent supporter of the democrat party.

This thread is for him and for those that may be like him to be able to square the ideology of the DNC with that of their faith.

As for myself, I have no idea how one squares the two, but we will offer them their chance.

I can't speak for Gator, but if anyone should have a hard time reconciling their Christianity with their political beliefs, it should be MAGA. It is actually easier for a liberal to use the Bible to support his positions than a conservative.

(and now comes my favorite game, where the agnostic shows greater bible knowledge than a Christian.)

Jesus said to love your neighbor. John 15:12-13 MAGA delights when Trump belittles people on Truth Social.

Jesus said it would be easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the Kingdom of God. (Mark 10:36) Trump gives tax breaks to billionaires while he scams his followers with $60 bible and $6000 watches..

Jesus said we should take care of the poor and unfortunate. Luke 6:20-21 Trump is slashing Medicaid, SNAP, etc.

jesus said to render unto Caesar what is Ceasar's - i.e. Pay your taxes. (Matthew 22:21). Again- tax breaks for billionaires.

Jesus said those who live by the sword shall die by the Sword. (Matthew 26:52) You nutters want to stock up on weapons like the Zombies are coming.

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First up, abortion. That is the biggie. After all, the Nazi party was also into things like socialized medicine, something Citygator was championing when we had the conversation. He was all about getting poor folk medical care. However, as a Christian, how can you square away supporting the Nazi party for that knowing that they murder people in mass?

Okay, first, nowhere in the bible does it say anything about abortion being wrong. In fact, there are a few verses that indicate that God has no problem with abortion, including Exodus 21:22-23. where causing a miscarriage is only punishable by a fine, or Numbers 5:11-30, which details the ordeal of the Bitter Water to cause a miscarriage in an unfaithful wife. (The reality is that poor women merely accused of such things probably miscarried due to the stress.

As far as your bizarre comment that Socialized medicine is bad because the Nazis had it, is about as silly as saying Highways are bad, because Hitler built the Autobahn. (Which was Ike's inspiration when he built the interstate highway system).

What makes it even more stupid is that Socialized Medicine in Germany preceded the Nazis. It dates back to Otto von Bismarck and the Unification of Germany.

 

[1srelluc]

What a "odd" thread in the eyes of an agnostic.

 

[Cellblock2429]

If you are for health care for all, you associate that with the Nazi party? You say you are seriously asking questions but then post this?

Dismissed.

/---/ When the government forces everyone into a one-size-fits-all program outlawing free choice—yes, that is Nazi-esque.

 

[JoeB131]

/---/ When the government forces everyone into a one-size-fits-all program outlawing free choice—yes, that is Nazi-esque.

Not sure how that's the case. Single Payer doesn't dictate the level of care.

What Germany has is a system of private and public systems to make sure there is 100% coverage. Kind of what Obamacare tried to be but hasn't quite hit.

 

[Meriweather]

Not sure how that's the case. Single Payer doesn't dictate the level of care.

What Germany has is a system of private and public systems to make sure there is 100% coverage. Kind of what Obamacare tried to be but hasn't quite hit.

The first problem with medical care begins with limiting the number of students who wish to become doctors. We need more doctors not fewer. Next, I propose an arm of natural medical care where diet, exercise, and natural remedies are preferred treatments over pills. This, of course, cannot be used for dire medical conditions, but I believe there is a place for it.