Zone1 Calling/accusing other members "groomer"

[Dogmaphobe]

All of your lies and excuses are not fooling anyone.

It is very clear, very obvious what the true intent is behind this policy, and what it tells us about those of you responsible for it.

Please stop insulting our intelligence by trying to tell us that what we can clearly see is wrong.

especially considering the pattern of removing posts that DON'T rise to the level of a direct accusation.

 

[Toro]

"groomers"

What word should be chosen, then, to describe the action of providing sexual material to children depicting underage sex with the intent of piquing their curiosity?

People can't be expected to write a whole paragraph when one word describes something perfectly.

I'd call them a "fucking loser." But that's just me.

 

[Toro]

Actually, what usually happens is that anybody who objects to showing children illustrations of underaged boys giving blow jobs is ACCUSED of being a "homophobe" and this despite the fact that they are making it quite clear that they are objecting to the intent to sexualize children.

This does not happen with heterosexual underage sex, only homosexual.

You are not a homophobe if you oppose gay sexual acts being shown to children. You are not a homophobe for opposing gay sexually explicit material in libraries. Tell those people to fuck off if they call you a homophobe.

But one is a homophobe if one opposes depictions of gay people in loving caring relationships.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

The idea here is that by taking away the language to describe something, you take away the ability to oppose the behavior it describes. Those who support the behavior are then emboldened as they know the forum has their back. The sheer smugness with which some posters take advantage of this is nauseating.

The act of providing pornographic materials to minors is grooming. There is no other word to describe it. We are now at the point, however, where a person is free to advocate for this grooming, but posters are prevented from calling it what it is. The same thing applies when adults plant the seeds of an idea in children's heads that they are transexual. That is grooming them because the child is being predisposed towards questioning their gender.


"The revolution is complete when the language is perfect".

 

[BlueGin]

"groomers"

What word should be chosen, then, to describe the action of providing sexual material to children depicting underage sex with the intent of piquing their curiosity?

People can't be expected to write a whole paragraph when one word describes something perfectly.

They don’t want their partisan manipulation of children to choose a gender they were not born with to be derailed. What better way than to shut down opposition with the guise of being against child abuse ( which they clearly are not).

 

[Tommy Tainant]

All of your lies and excuses are not fooling anyone.

It is very clear, very obvious what the true intent is behind this policy, and what it tells us about those of you responsible for it.

Please stop insulting our intelligence by trying to tell us that what we can clearly see is wrong.

Do you still want Coyote to die Bob ?

 

[Toro]

There is a lot of misconception about the rule. All the mods discussed it. Flacaltenn essentially announced it months ago when this whole thing started and groomer became the new pedo word.

There are multiple people here who have been victims of childhood sexual abuse. Some are open about it, many are not. It is still to shameful. Most of us are older and of a generation where you didn’t talk about it. Bones pointed out that children today are encouraged to. They are taught from a young age that they have valid boundaries, they have the right to say no and are taught what is appropriate and inappropriate. That NEVER happened in my generation. The idea that I child could say “no” to an adult simply wasn’t allowed.

Today, the sexual abuse of children is THE MOST horrible crime a person can commit in our society. Worse than rape, worse than murder because it scars a child forever and the shame and feeling that you are somehow responsible for the act never leaves.

False accusations of pedo also have a devastating effect on a person and their family. I know of someone who was falsely accused and exonerated, but the damage was done. He committed suicide.

We have no way of knowing who is and isn’t a pedo here. This is an anonymous messageboard. We have members who think anyone who is a democrat is a pedo, anyone who is a teacher is a groomer, anyone who has differences in what is and isn’t age appropriate literature is a pedo or groomer. We can’t even talk about it anymore because some invariably gets accused.

You aren’t exposing pedos with this, you are ending discussion with a lynch mob because you THINK someone is a pedo/groomer and most of time, it is political.

Not being able to call a member that doesn’t stop you from attacking their ideas and arguments one bit, and that is all we are asking for here. Attack the content, not the member.

You also have a way to act, if you really think someone is pedo. Make your case to a Sr Mod, if they agree, they will contact the appropriate authorities and let you go after the member. Flac and other mods have stated this multiple times and no one has yet to contact them as far as I know. That leads me to think the accusations leveled at members is more likely advanced weaponry in our political warfare.

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[Dogmaphobe]

You are not a homophobe if you oppose gay sexual acts being shown to children. You are not a homophobe for opposing gay sexually explicit material in libraries. Tell those people to fuck off if they call you a homophobe.

I cannot tell you to fuck off in this particular forum, but you have certainly done exactly that to me in other sub forums.

In fact, as I recall, my response was exactly as you suggested.

 

[The Duke]

There is a lot of misconception about the rule. All the mods discussed it. Flacaltenn essentially announced it months ago when this whole thing started and groomer became the new pedo word.

There are multiple people here who have been victims of childhood sexual abuse. Some are open about it, many are not. It is still to shameful. Most of us are older and of a generation where you didn’t talk about it. Bones pointed out that children today are encouraged to. They are taught from a young age that they have valid boundaries, they have the right to say no and are taught what is appropriate and inappropriate. That NEVER happened in my generation. The idea that I child could say “no” to an adult simply wasn’t allowed.

Today, the sexual abuse of children is THE MOST horrible crime a person can commit in our society. Worse than rape, worse than murder because it scars a child forever and the shame and feeling that you are somehow responsible for the act never leaves.

False accusations of pedo also have a devastating effect on a person and their family. I know of someone who was falsely accused and exonerated, but the damage was done. He committed suicide.

We have no way of knowing who is and isn’t a pedo here. This is an anonymous messageboard. We have members who think anyone who is a democrat is a pedo, anyone who is a teacher is a groomer, anyone who has differences in what is and isn’t age appropriate literature is a pedo or groomer. We can’t even talk about it anymore because some invariably gets accused.

You aren’t exposing pedos with this, you are ending discussion with a lynch mob because you THINK someone is a pedo/groomer and most of time, it is political.

Not being able to call a member that doesn’t stop you from attacking their ideas and arguments one bit, and that is all we are asking for here. Attack the content, not the member.

You also have a way to act, if you really think someone is pedo. Make your case to a Sr Mod, if they agree, they will contact the appropriate authorities and let you go after the member. Flac and other mods have stated this multiple times and no one has yet to contact them as far as I know. That leads me to think the accusations leveled at members is more likely advanced weaponry in our political warfare.

You mean like Democrats accusing Trump of raping a 13 year old?

 

[Tommy Tainant]

People do not contact mods because it is your way of making something disappear. Nothing is done. No action is taken, and everything is swept under the rug.

You could contact your local police. Why would you bother contacting a mod about something so serious ?
Perhaps the kids arent your concern ?

 

[Toro]

I cannot tell you to fuck off in this particular forum, but you have certainly done exactly that to me in other sub forums.

In fact, as I recall, my response was exactly as you suggested.

It was. Good for you.

The point is that you can still oppose the idea without using the g word.

 

[AyeCantSeeYou]

So, if someone is advocating grooming, overtly or covertly, this website will protect them?

NO! What was stated is that calling another member a groomer is off limits. There have been far too many people on this forum using that word in place of pedophile. Context is everything! Instead of stating why someone thinks another member is a groomer, they just say the word itself. No explanation, no quoting replies, no anything .... just "you're a groomer". It's easy to accuse someone of something when no explanation as to why is required. There are more ways to show that someone is an enabler and/or groomer than by saying just that word. If someone is advocating for it, then challenge them on it! Point out WHY you see it that way. Tell them that their actions/thoughts (detailed) are what you consider something a groomer would do. It's not hard to do, just takes a few more keystrokes on the keyboard.

 

[AyeCantSeeYou]

What if the groomer is a groomer? Has a pet cleaning service, for example? Will the word groomer go the way of the N word too?

Delta was here a LONG LONG time advocating what defines the G word. A LONG time. Either they banned him or he left on his own. I have no clue. Maybe he had a dog to bathe in his dogmobile. Or..was it really a dog?

A dog groomer is an entire world away from a child groomer. No comparison at all! Context is key.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

You could contact your local police. Why would you bother contacting a mod about something so serious ?
Perhaps the kids arent your concern ?

You are free here to promote actions that any sane person would have called grooming 10 years ago.

Other posters are NOT free to call the actions you are promoting by the very name that describes it.

 

[BlueGin]

You could contact your local police. Why would you bother contacting a mod about something so serious ?
Perhaps the kids arent your concern ?

People don’t contact mods because it is a waste of time. They have taught their pet posters how to ride the line on rule breaking to avoid mod action. And they make excuses for their continued non action.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

A dog groomer is an entire world away from a child groomer. No comparison at all! Context is key.

Royals are groomed to occupy the throne some day.

Young quarterbacks are groomed to take over the starter position some day.

An apprentice craftsman is groomed to take over for the master.

The word grooming involves training with a specific purpose in mind.

Providing pornographic material to minors is an act of training them to be receptive to the actions the material depicts.

 

[Toro]

NO! What was stated is that calling another member a groomer is off limits. There have been far too many people on this forum using that word in place of pedophile. Context is everything! Instead of stating why someone thinks another member is a groomer, they just say the word itself. No explanation, no quoting replies, no anything .... just "you're a groomer". It's easy to accuse someone of something when no explanation as to why is required. There are more ways to show that someone is an enabler and/or groomer than by saying just that word. If someone is advocating for it, then challenge them on it! Point out WHY you see it that way. Tell them that their actions/thoughts (detailed) are what you consider something a groomer would do. It's not hard to do, just takes a few more keystrokes on the keyboard.

I try to stay away from these topics because they're so awful. But it made it's way into Teh FZ, so I got involved.

What I quickly found out was that some posters - not all but certainly some - were using it to oppose homosexuality in general. According to these people, showing gay couples in a loving relationship was grooming kids. This is - how would one put it in Zone 1 language? - cow excrement

 

[Dogmaphobe]

They don’t want their partisan manipulation of children to choose a gender they were not born with to be derailed. What better way than to shut down opposition with the guise of being against child abuse ( which they clearly are not).

Yep, that's exactly it.

This is really all about an agenda that goes well beyond the sexualization of children. Sexualizing the kiddies is just a means to an end.

This wasn't occurring 20 years ago, and people certainly did not support this stuff then. Today it has all the trappings of a fucking crusade and people are on board with this crusade since it has been sold to them as a necessary component of their political identity.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

I try to stay away from these topics because they're so awful. But it made it's way into Teh FZ, so I got involved.

What I quickly found out was that some posters - not all but certainly some - were using it to oppose homosexuality in general. According to these people, showing gay couples in a loving relationship was grooming kids. This is - how would one put it in Zone 1 language? - cow excrement

I have never done that, yet you mocked me and accused me, anyway.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

People don’t contact mods because it is a waste of time. They have taught their pet posters how to ride the line on rule breaking to avoid mod action. And they make excuses for their continued non action.

They aint the police. Its a police matter. Stop whining and do something.