California Governor Jerry Brown admits Trump was right about the cause of the fires

[pismoe]

now the burned out people will have to rebuild using 2018 building codes . ------------- just a comment .

 

[Harry Dresden]

Any one here posting about Northern California fires live in California? my guess not.

Anyone here study fire science? Based on their answers, no. All they know, is that they want to blame Jerry Brown. What a bunch of idiots.

instead of badmouthing people as being ignorant of Forrest fires....what is your back ground BWK that makes you such an authority?....

 

[pismoe]

i think that he BWK is simply full of zhit .

 

[Darkwind]

i think that old man 'jerry' is almost dead , he has already made his mark and his money and retirement .

And you are an ignoramus who knows nothing about forest protection.

It is quite clear you lack critical thinking skills and remain ignorant of the issue. Any clown can cut/paste information they know little about.

I wonder if you even have the capacity to realize that this is not a one-off deal? The reduction of combustibles, as you deem it, will be a continuous effort with no stopping point if you want to save lives and forests.

 

[Darkwind]

Any one here posting about Northern California fires live in California? my guess not.

Anyone here study fire science? Based on their answers, no. All they know, is that they want to blame Jerry Brown. What a bunch of idiots.

instead of badmouthing people as being ignorant of Forrest fires....what is your back ground BWK that makes you such an authority?....

He's an 'interwebs warrior' who knows how to cut/paste.

 

[mudwhistle]

part of the plan to REWILD sparsly populated 'northern kalifornia' and other areas .

Kill off white people.....replace them with brown people.

 

[Darkwind]

Any one here posting about Northern California fires live in California? my guess not.

I lived in N. California for 38 years. We were discussing and working on solutions to the fire issue back in the early 1990's and the biggest and best solution was to remove the tinder at the ground that caused a 'coal bed' situation in a fire.

We see these large and out of control fires because the underbrush acts as a coal bed when ignited allowing the flames to rise higher and hotter. This gets the fire into the canopy of the forest which does the real damage.

A quick-fire, robbed of its fuel, scorches the trees but leaves the canopy intact which helps to recover the forest a lot quicker.

When the underbrush is cleared enough and the clearing sustained, the amount that grows back each year is significantly reduced and as a consequence, reduces the threat of fires that get out of control and threaten human habitats.

The reduced undergrowth allows for a quicker containment of any fire that does break out.

All of this would reduce the fire damage to western states by over 85%.

 

[BWK]

i think that he BWK is simply full of zhit .

See how easy it is to prove ignorance. Attack the person instead of creating an informed argument. It buries them every time.

 

[pismoe]

Any one here posting about Northern California fires live in California? my guess not.

That's like saying we couldn't comment on the Moon landing because we don't live on the Moon.

I used to live in Norcal. What do you want to know?

--------------------------------------------- NEVER lived in north kali but i know the underpopulated out of the way places in 'north kali' !!

 

[BWK]

Any one here posting about Northern California fires live in California? my guess not.

I lived in N. California for 38 years. We were discussing and working on solutions to the fire issue back in the early 1990's and the biggest and best solution was to remove the tinder at the ground that caused a 'coal bed' situation in a fire.

We see these large and out of control fires because the underbrush acts as a coal bed when ignited allowing the flames to rise higher and hotter. This gets the fire into the canopy of the forest which does the real damage.

A quick-fire, robbed of its fuel, scorches the trees but leaves the canopy intact which helps to recover the forest a lot quicker.

When the underbrush is cleared enough and the clearing sustained, the amount that grows back each year is significantly reduced and as a consequence, reduces the threat of fires that get out of control and threaten human habitats.

The reduced undergrowth allows for a quicker containment of any fire that does break out.

All of this would reduce the fire damage to western states by over 85%.

And who is going to do that again? The Forest service? You? And how much will that cost? Loll! Get a grip on reality. That would be a round the clock, 24/7 operation in the hills of California. And after all the brush is cleared, guess what? What happens when it rains hard? You guessed it. Mudslides and serious erosion. Which destroys property as well.

There Aren't enough forest service employees out there to take control of even 1% of what you are talking about.

You have exposed your ignorance along with the rest.

Prescribed burning in forested areas is what's needed. Unfortunately, there are too many drawbacks. Man power, money, and time.

 

[deanrd]

Of course Trump is right, but go and challenge them to undo the regulations and then watch judges jump into action to deny them the right of re-writing them!

California Gov. Jerry “Moonbeam” Brown, after denouncing the president as an environmental doofus, has, in recent days, quietly pushed state lawmakers to loosen restrictions on logging regulations that were put in place to satisfy raging environmentalists — “a move that appears to have confirmed that President Trump’s recent critiques of state logging practices” and lousy forest management “was correct.”

In August, The Santa Cruz Sentinel reported that Brown, one of the most environmental wacko governors currently in office, proposed that lawmakers change current rules to allow for some thinning of state-controlled forest lands...

Read more at dcdirtylaundry.com ...

Just like always I go and check out right wing links and find they are once again full of BS.

I saw no mention of the word "rake".

Worse, federal forests in California are managed by the federal government, hence, the operative word "FEDERAL".

Those forests are managed under Trump. Not under California.

It's sad. Usually it's a smart person that leads fools. Trump has turned that on it's ear. For Republicans, it's a fool that leads other fools. How do we know? Threads like this one.

 

[Darkwind]

Any one here posting about Northern California fires live in California? my guess not.

I lived in N. California for 38 years. We were discussing and working on solutions to the fire issue back in the early 1990's and the biggest and best solution was to remove the tinder at the ground that caused a 'coal bed' situation in a fire.

We see these large and out of control fires because the underbrush acts as a coal bed when ignited allowing the flames to rise higher and hotter. This gets the fire into the canopy of the forest which does the real damage.

A quick-fire, robbed of its fuel, scorches the trees but leaves the canopy intact which helps to recover the forest a lot quicker.

When the underbrush is cleared enough and the clearing sustained, the amount that grows back each year is significantly reduced and as a consequence, reduces the threat of fires that get out of control and threaten human habitats.

The reduced undergrowth allows for a quicker containment of any fire that does break out.

All of this would reduce the fire damage to western states by over 85%.

And who is going to do that again? The Forest service? You? And how much will that cost? Loll! Get a grip on reality. That would be a round the clock, 24/7 operation in the hills of California. And after all the brush is cleared, guess what? What happens when it rains hard? You guessed it. Mudslides and serious erosion. Which destroys property as well.

There Aren't enough forest service employees out there to take control of even 1% of what you are talking about.

You have exposed your ignorance along with the rest.

Prescribed burning in forested areas is what's needed. Unfortunately, there are too many drawbacks. Man power, money, and time.

How much do these fires cost? Wow, simply wow.

It would NOT entail around the clock 24/7 watch. Just how stupid are you? Do you understand the concept behind the word 'management'?

A rotating schedule of management would see that the forests get swept on a timely schedule. Or are you now going to claim that combustible undergrowth would grow back to dangerous levels overnight?

Sheesh...

In California, there is already a large and sustainable workforce found in the welfare roles. The program of land management could get value in two ways from such a program that benefits California immensely.

1. The reduction of the threat of out of control fires and the reduction of the cost from trillions to millions would be a boon to the budget.
2. Those on the government dole who have lost jobs through obsolescence could be retrained in forest management or other similar fields associated with land management.

Do not make the mistake of saying that the only solution is one in which no fires occur or do nothing at all.

As for the environmentalist clowns who would file lawsuits, I would challenge them on how much harm they do the environment thought their litigious policies and hold them responsible for property damage and loss of life.

 

[danielpalos]

Of course Trump is right, but go and challenge them to undo the regulations and then watch judges jump into action to deny them the right of re-writing them!

California Gov. Jerry “Moonbeam” Brown, after denouncing the president as an environmental doofus, has, in recent days, quietly pushed state lawmakers to loosen restrictions on logging regulations that were put in place to satisfy raging environmentalists — “a move that appears to have confirmed that President Trump’s recent critiques of state logging practices” and lousy forest management “was correct.”

In August, The Santa Cruz Sentinel reported that Brown, one of the most environmental wacko governors currently in office, proposed that lawmakers change current rules to allow for some thinning of state-controlled forest lands...

Read more at dcdirtylaundry.com ...

either that or controlled burns.

Thinning is not the cure all. Not even close. And those burns should never be controlled burns. They need to be prescription burns. Big difference!

Prescribed fire is a planned fire; it is also sometimes called a “controlled burn” or “prescribed burn,” and is used to meet management objectives. A prescription is a set of conditions that considers the safety of the public and fire staff, weather, and probability of meeting the burn objectives.

A controlled burn has no initial plan. A prescribed fire does. There are two different types of burning methods. You folks don't have a clue.

As you pointed out explaining a prescribed burn, it has nothing to do with a controlled burn. Calling it a controlled burn just proves how uninformed you are.

Do you know the specific guidelines of a prescribed burn? No! And a controlled burn just takes in the need to control the underbrush without any consideration towards the ecological good of the forest.

a controlled burn is a common defense tactic.

 

[Eric Arthur Blair]

i think that old man 'jerry' is almost dead , he has already made his mark and his money and retirement .

He'll hang on a bit. He's not quite through destroying California yet.

 

[Slade3200]

Of course Trump is right, but go and challenge them to undo the regulations and then watch judges jump into action to deny them the right of re-writing them!

California Gov. Jerry “Moonbeam” Brown, after denouncing the president as an environmental doofus, has, in recent days, quietly pushed state lawmakers to loosen restrictions on logging regulations that were put in place to satisfy raging environmentalists — “a move that appears to have confirmed that President Trump’s recent critiques of state logging practices” and lousy forest management “was correct.”

In August, The Santa Cruz Sentinel reported that Brown, one of the most environmental wacko governors currently in office, proposed that lawmakers change current rules to allow for some thinning of state-controlled forest lands...

Read more at dcdirtylaundry.com ...

Grab your rake... Let’s go!

 

[pismoe]

Of course Trump is right, but go and challenge them to undo the regulations and then watch judges jump into action to deny them the right of re-writing them!

California Gov. Jerry “Moonbeam” Brown, after denouncing the president as an environmental doofus, has, in recent days, quietly pushed state lawmakers to loosen restrictions on logging regulations that were put in place to satisfy raging environmentalists — “a move that appears to have confirmed that President Trump’s recent critiques of state logging practices” and lousy forest management “was correct.”

In August, The Santa Cruz Sentinel reported that Brown, one of the most environmental wacko governors currently in office, proposed that lawmakers change current rules to allow for some thinning of state-controlled forest lands...

Read more at dcdirtylaundry.com ...

Grab your rake... Let’s go!

------------------------------------------------------------ let the Foresters and politicians and 'gov' workers that caused the problem do the work . Course they'd just hire 'mexicans' and other third worlders to do the work and taxpayers would pay Slade .

 

[eagle1462010]

Of course Trump is right, but go and challenge them to undo the regulations and then watch judges jump into action to deny them the right of re-writing them!

California Gov. Jerry “Moonbeam” Brown, after denouncing the president as an environmental doofus, has, in recent days, quietly pushed state lawmakers to loosen restrictions on logging regulations that were put in place to satisfy raging environmentalists — “a move that appears to have confirmed that President Trump’s recent critiques of state logging practices” and lousy forest management “was correct.”

In August, The Santa Cruz Sentinel reported that Brown, one of the most environmental wacko governors currently in office, proposed that lawmakers change current rules to allow for some thinning of state-controlled forest lands...

Read more at dcdirtylaundry.com ...

Grab your rake... Let’s go!

ok

 

[Slade3200]

Of course Trump is right, but go and challenge them to undo the regulations and then watch judges jump into action to deny them the right of re-writing them!

California Gov. Jerry “Moonbeam” Brown, after denouncing the president as an environmental doofus, has, in recent days, quietly pushed state lawmakers to loosen restrictions on logging regulations that were put in place to satisfy raging environmentalists — “a move that appears to have confirmed that President Trump’s recent critiques of state logging practices” and lousy forest management “was correct.”

In August, The Santa Cruz Sentinel reported that Brown, one of the most environmental wacko governors currently in office, proposed that lawmakers change current rules to allow for some thinning of state-controlled forest lands...

Read more at dcdirtylaundry.com ...

Grab your rake... Let’s go!

------------------------------------------------------------ let the Foresters and politicians and 'gov' workers that caused the problem do the work . Course they'd just hire 'mexicans' and other third worlders to do the work and taxpayers would pay Slade .

People didn’t cause the problem dumbass... it was nature. People could have done a better job to prevent it... I’m all for that.

How about we let the Mexicans and third worlders get a green card if they come in and clear the Forrest’s. They can use the wood to build a home and live happily ever after. Doesn’t that sound like the American Dream?

 

[Darkwind]

Of course Trump is right, but go and challenge them to undo the regulations and then watch judges jump into action to deny them the right of re-writing them!

California Gov. Jerry “Moonbeam” Brown, after denouncing the president as an environmental doofus, has, in recent days, quietly pushed state lawmakers to loosen restrictions on logging regulations that were put in place to satisfy raging environmentalists — “a move that appears to have confirmed that President Trump’s recent critiques of state logging practices” and lousy forest management “was correct.”

In August, The Santa Cruz Sentinel reported that Brown, one of the most environmental wacko governors currently in office, proposed that lawmakers change current rules to allow for some thinning of state-controlled forest lands...

Read more at dcdirtylaundry.com ...

Grab your rake... Let’s go!

------------------------------------------------------------ let the Foresters and politicians and 'gov' workers that caused the problem do the work . Course they'd just hire 'mexicans' and other third worlders to do the work and taxpayers would pay Slade .

People didn’t cause the problem dumbass... it was nature. People could have done a better job to prevent it... I’m all for that.

How about we let the Mexicans and third worlders get a green card if they come in and clear the Forrest’s. They can use the wood to build a home and live happily ever after. Doesn’t that sound like the American Dream?

No.

How about we take the unskilled and unemployed who are already here and are already American citizens and teach them how to do this.

That sounds like the American dream.

 

[Slade3200]

Of course Trump is right, but go and challenge them to undo the regulations and then watch judges jump into action to deny them the right of re-writing them!

California Gov. Jerry “Moonbeam” Brown, after denouncing the president as an environmental doofus, has, in recent days, quietly pushed state lawmakers to loosen restrictions on logging regulations that were put in place to satisfy raging environmentalists — “a move that appears to have confirmed that President Trump’s recent critiques of state logging practices” and lousy forest management “was correct.”

In August, The Santa Cruz Sentinel reported that Brown, one of the most environmental wacko governors currently in office, proposed that lawmakers change current rules to allow for some thinning of state-controlled forest lands...

Read more at dcdirtylaundry.com ...

Grab your rake... Let’s go!

------------------------------------------------------------ let the Foresters and politicians and 'gov' workers that caused the problem do the work . Course they'd just hire 'mexicans' and other third worlders to do the work and taxpayers would pay Slade .

People didn’t cause the problem dumbass... it was nature. People could have done a better job to prevent it... I’m all for that.

How about we let the Mexicans and third worlders get a green card if they come in and clear the Forrest’s. They can use the wood to build a home and live happily ever after. Doesn’t that sound like the American Dream?

No.

How about we take the unskilled and unemployed who are already here and are already American citizens and teach them how to do this.

That sounds like the American dream.

That’s a fine idea. Let’s do it