California getting crushed in high-speed rail race

[Big Fitz]

an article from March 2010. Little out of date now, ain't it?

 

[Flopper]

There are some huge differences between the US and Europe. The US is fucking huge foe one. Building the tracks would span over thousands of miles to make it worth a shit and it would cost incredible amounts of money to achieve this goal.

The US never expanded with trains in mind either, this means that we have big cities that are pretty far from one another that act as individual hubs. The likeliness of someone working in SF who lives in LA is less than .00001%, even if there were a bullet train to get them there and here is why.

Costs & Time… That’s really all.
Costs: The tickets would be insanely priced and even still that would prolly not pay a quarter of what it would cost to keep the whole thing operational on a daily basis. How many people could this train move in a day, 3-5 thousand? That’s nothing, 300+ billion and subsidies to keep it moving would push California into the deficit oblivion.

Time: Who would use this train, they super rich? So are we building a train for the super rich? Who would start their day at 3:00am so they can get to the train by 4:30am so they can get to SF from LA by 7:00am after boarding and getting off so that they can commute to work and get there by 8:00am.
Now all they need to do is get home!

So let’s assume tickets are in the 200$ (grossly undercharged = no profit and running a deficit for the state), and it takes about 5 hours to get to work and 5 hours to get home… With an 8 hour day the “average joe” would be out around 400$ and 18 hours a day. So again, who is this train for?

I think most people like the idea of fast commuter trains, but when you look at the cost, it's just not practically to build them today. Europe and the US took totally different paths in developing transportation. With our crumbling highway systems and increasing fuel cost, history may decide we didn't go in the right direction, but that's water under the bridge.

 

[rightwinger]

There are some huge differences between the US and Europe. The US is fucking huge foe one. Building the tracks would span over thousands of miles to make it worth a shit and it would cost incredible amounts of money to achieve this goal.

The US never expanded with trains in mind either, this means that we have big cities that are pretty far from one another that act as individual hubs. The likeliness of someone working in SF who lives in LA is less than .00001%, even if there were a bullet train to get them there and here is why.

Costs & Time… That’s really all.
Costs: The tickets would be insanely priced and even still that would prolly not pay a quarter of what it would cost to keep the whole thing operational on a daily basis. How many people could this train move in a day, 3-5 thousand? That’s nothing, 300+ billion and subsidies to keep it moving would push California into the deficit oblivion.

Time: Who would use this train, they super rich? So are we building a train for the super rich? Who would start their day at 3:00am so they can get to the train by 4:30am so they can get to SF from LA by 7:00am after boarding and getting off so that they can commute to work and get there by 8:00am.
Now all they need to do is get home!

So let’s assume tickets are in the 200$ (grossly undercharged = no profit and running a deficit for the state), and it takes about 5 hours to get to work and 5 hours to get home… With an 8 hour day the “average joe” would be out around 400$ and 18 hours a day. So again, who is this train for?

I think most people like the idea of fast commuter trains, but when you look at the cost, it's just not practically to build them today. Europe and the US took totally different paths in developing transportation. With our crumbling highway systems and increasing fuel cost, history may decide we didn't go in the right direction, but that's water under the bridge.

More likely, its a bridge under the water

 

[KissMy]

Stockton, California declared bankruptcy today becoming the largest U.S. city ever to file for bankruptcy & dumb-ass democrats think they have money to throw away on trains from last century.

 

[Katzndogz]

All the more reason for a fast train to Vegas.

You started with SF to LA. How did you get to Vegas?

California is BROKE and cannot afford a high speed bullet train.

I responded to post just before me, that you included in your post. You don't even read them, do you?

Because there is NO proposed rail line from SF to LA. The only initiative voted on was to appove a rail line from LA to LV. A high speed rail from SF to LA doesn't exist anywhere but your posts.

 

[Katzndogz]

Stockton, California declared bankruptcy today becoming the largest U.S. city ever to file for bankruptcy & dumb-ass democrats think they have money to throw away on trains from last century.

Stockton is in the Central Valley. When the Court shut off the water to the Central Valley farms, Stockton has no more reason to exist.

 

[rdean]

Funny how Republicans get so excited by the demise of America. When did they become "co-sponsors" with al Qaeda?

 

[Katzndogz]

Not the demise of America, the demise of obama's america.

 

[rdean]

an article from March 2010. Little out of date now, ain't it?

• Health clinics. The United States had planned to build 150 clinics by 2005 at a cost of $88.5 million. Construction took four years longer and cost nearly four times more to complete 133 of the planned clinics.

Goal: Increase supply to 6,000 megawatts by 2004; no cost estimate given
Result: Supply increased to 6,000 megawatts in 2009; cost $4.9 billion

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Not really. Republicans want to close health clinics here. They don't want a dime spent on our aging electrical grid.

Come on right wingers. You can't deny it. Mitt said "Less Police, firefighters and teachers". That's the republicans policy. Every good businessman knows you have to spend money to make money. The deficit will never be paid down if this country doesn't create jobs and Republicans said, "Government can't create jobs". Corporations have already said without demand they won't either. Can't the dumbfucks figure out what's next without jobs and with an aging infrastructure no Republican will spend a cent on? Duh!!!!

 

[MeBelle]

Funny how Republicans get so excited by the demise of America. When did they become "co-sponsors" with al Qaeda?

California is a DEM controlled state rdeany...shocker ain't it??

 

[rdean]

Funny how Republicans get so excited by the demise of America. When did they become "co-sponsors" with al Qaeda?

California is a DEM controlled state rdeany...shocker ain't it??

So? It's Republicans who are bringing down the country. Not even you can deny it.

See, I can prove they are and you can't prove they aren't.

 

[KissMy]

Stockton, California declared bankruptcy today becoming the largest U.S. city ever to file for bankruptcy & dumb-ass democrats think they have money to throw away on trains from last century.

Stockton is in the Central Valley. When the Court shut off the water to the Central Valley farms, Stockton has no more reason to exist.

Turning off the water to the Valley was another brilliant Obama accomplishment. - NOT!!! Obama is a fucking idiot!!!

 

[Political Junky]

You started with SF to LA. How did you get to Vegas?

California is BROKE and cannot afford a high speed bullet train.

I responded to post just before me, that you included in your post. You don't even read them, do you?

Because there is NO proposed rail line from SF to LA. The only initiative voted on was to appove a rail line from LA to LV. A high speed rail from SF to LA doesn't exist anywhere but your posts.

The California High-Speed Rail project is a planned high-speed rail system in the state of California and headed by the California High-Speed Rail Authority (CHSRA). Initial funding for the project was approved by California voters on November 4, 2008, with the passage of Proposition 1A authorizing the issuance of US$9.95 billion in general obligation bonds for the project. The CHSRA is currently tasked with completing final planning, design, and environmental efforts. The system would serve major cities including Sacramento, San Francisco, San Jose, Fresno, Bakersfield, Palmdale, Los Angeles, Anaheim, Riverside, Irvine, and San Diego. As of April 7, 2012, the High-Speed Rail's last stop will be at Los Angeles.
California High-Speed Rail - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Big Fitz]

Funny how Republicans get so excited by the demise of America. When did they become "co-sponsors" with al Qaeda?

California is a DEM controlled state rdeany...shocker ain't it??

So? It's Republicans who are bringing down the country. Not even you can deny it.

See, I can prove they are and you can't prove they aren't.

Are you that newly discovered enzyme that breaks down intelligence, Stupidinase? Idiotic beyond the pale.

 

[flacaltenn]

I responded to post just before me, that you included in your post. You don't even read them, do you?

Because there is NO proposed rail line from SF to LA. The only initiative voted on was to appove a rail line from LA to LV. A high speed rail from SF to LA doesn't exist anywhere but your posts.

The California High-Speed Rail project is a planned high-speed rail system in the state of California and headed by the California High-Speed Rail Authority (CHSRA). Initial funding for the project was approved by California voters on November 4, 2008, with the passage of Proposition 1A authorizing the issuance of US$9.95 billion in general obligation bonds for the project. The CHSRA is currently tasked with completing final planning, design, and environmental efforts. The system would serve major cities including Sacramento, San Francisco, San Jose, Fresno, Bakersfield, Palmdale, Los Angeles, Anaheim, Riverside, Irvine, and San Diego. As of April 7, 2012, the High-Speed Rail's last stop will be at Los Angeles.
California High-Speed Rail - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The bolded weasel word there is "The System". I showed you the recent plan for the system from the Commission.. The "HIGH SPEED" part is gonna terminate a good 40 minute to 1hour commute away from each destination.. It will LINK with existing CalTrain systems that do have terminals in those cities..

It's a bad dream, and don't worry.. There are thousands of voters in Calif. who never stood a chance of understanding the diff between "the dream" and "the reality".. Now they want their money back..

For crying out loud it's 2022 and $15BILL just to start BakersField to bankrupt Fresno.

 

[Political Junky]

Because there is NO proposed rail line from SF to LA. The only initiative voted on was to appove a rail line from LA to LV. A high speed rail from SF to LA doesn't exist anywhere but your posts.

The California High-Speed Rail project is a planned high-speed rail system in the state of California and headed by the California High-Speed Rail Authority (CHSRA). Initial funding for the project was approved by California voters on November 4, 2008, with the passage of Proposition 1A authorizing the issuance of US$9.95 billion in general obligation bonds for the project. The CHSRA is currently tasked with completing final planning, design, and environmental efforts. The system would serve major cities including Sacramento, San Francisco, San Jose, Fresno, Bakersfield, Palmdale, Los Angeles, Anaheim, Riverside, Irvine, and San Diego. As of April 7, 2012, the High-Speed Rail's last stop will be at Los Angeles.
California High-Speed Rail - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The bolded weasel word there is "The System". I showed you the recent plan for the system from the Commission.. The "HIGH SPEED" part is gonna terminate a good 40 minute to 1hour commute away from each destination.. It will LINK with existing CalTrain systems that do have terminals in those cities..

It's a bad dream, and the don't worry.. There are thousands of voters in Calif. who never stood a chance of understanding the diff between "the dream" and "the reality"..

For crying out loud it's 2022 and $15BILL just to start BakersField to bankrupt Fresno.

Link?

 

[flacaltenn]

I told you --- It's in my previous post.. Fuck Wikipedia go get some recent press on it..

 

[flacaltenn]

Sorry for getting snippy PJ -- it's been a hard day..

http://www.usmessageboard.com/5519266-post82.html

Those fancy maps on the Wiki use existing "low speed" train lines once into San Jose on the north end and Riverside??? on the south end.. Much of those lines are at street crossing grade and the Commission is being sued by 12 cities for just adding traffic to those lines...

 

[del]

Funny how Republicans get so excited by the demise of America. When did they become "co-sponsors" with al Qaeda?

California is a DEM controlled state rdeany...shocker ain't it??

So? It's Republicans who are bringing down the country. Not even you can deny it.

See, I can prove they are and you can't prove they aren't.

rational people know that one can't prove a negative.

both parties suck-only hacks like you claim otherwise.

you're a leftie warbler.

 

[Political Junky]

Sorry for getting snippy PJ -- it's been a hard day..

http://www.usmessageboard.com/5519266-post82.html

Those fancy maps on the Wiki use existing "low speed" train lines once into San Jose on the north end and Riverside??? on the south end.. Much of those lines are at street crossing grade and the Commission is being sued by 12 cities for just adding traffic to those lines...

Both your source and mine say that the trains would run between SF and LA. That's what my post was about.
I do realize that the plans have trouble.