California acknowledged leftist student 'shooter', 19, wrote an anti-Semitic manifesto

[Moonglow]

TN Harley would agree with you there.

There are all these self-proclaimed "experts" here on fascism that have obviously never actually read the tenets of fascism as written by the original fascists.

http://www.historyguide.org/europe/duce.html

8. Outside the State there can be neither individuals nor groups (political parties, associations, syndicates, classes). Therefore Fascism is opposed to Socialism, which confines the movement of history within the class struggle and ignores the unity of classes established in one economic and moral reality in the State; and analogously it is opposed to class syndicalism. . . .

nuff said.

Fascism entails government control of every facet of society including the elimination of a free-market economy in favor of an economy managed by government. The modern American right is absolutely and undeniably the biggest supporter of free-market capitalism. The President of the U.S. is the biggest capitalist to ever occupy the White House.

It's the modern left that wants the government to control the nation's healthcare, education and guarantee a "living wage". It's the modern left that despises capitalism.

Yes, fascism is an ideology of the left.

There is no such thing as free market capitalism. Example one. I can't grow hemp even though it is not illegal. Each state gives out licenses to grow a legal weed, yet in my state only two licenses are given. Govt. controlled monopoly is what we have here...

There's a reason FDR so admired Benito Mussolini and his fascist ideals. Was FDR "right wing" too?

No he was mandated by the masses to do something/anything to help. He admired political/economic systems that seems to work when capitalism wasn't.

 

[K9Buck]

Fascism is a philosophy and practice of governance and economics that is most decidedly similar to the modern American left. Nationalism is neither left wing nor right wing. Fidel Castro was a nationalist. Are you saying he's "right wing"?

Uncle Fidel was a Dictator, Hitler was a Dictator, Stalin was a Dictator, Maduro is a Dictator, Mussolini was a Dictator. All of them used different paths to get there. Stalin, Fidel and Maduro used Communism to get to where they could be dictators which is from the left. Hitler and Mussolini used Fascism (invented by Mussolini) to become dictators from the right. I suggest you read up on Marco from Spain. It's interesting reading. A classic example of Fascist versus Communist (also called Socialist) battle that the Fascists actually won and continued in power for the next 60 years. Marco read the last chapter of the Mussolini Fascist handbook and never made the move to Dictator status. And he was about as right wing as anyone can get.

And they ALL ran under the banner of socialism and despised free-market capitalism, which is the pillar of the modern American right. Fascism is a leftist ideology.

No...socialism is a leftist ideology. Fascism is its opposite as a rightist ideology.

Compare and contrast fascism with the policies being advocated by the modern, American right and tell me how they match up.

I'll reprint this once again. Read it carefully and see if it applies to any world leader in power today.

The 14 Characteristics of Fascism, by Lawrence Britt, Spring 2003

The 14 Characteristics of Fascism

by Lawrence Britt

Spring 2003


The 14 characteristics are:

1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism
   Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.
2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights
   Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.
3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause
   The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.
4. Supremacy of the Military
   Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.
5. Rampant Sexism
   The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Opposition to abortion is high, as is homophobia and anti-gay legislation and national policy.
6. Controlled Mass Media
   Sometimes to media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.
7. Obsession with National Security
   Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.
8. Religion and Government are Intertwined
   Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions.
9. Corporate Power is Protected
   The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.
10. Labor Power is Suppressed
    Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed .
11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts
    Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts is openly attacked, and governments often refuse to fund the arts.
12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment
    Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.
13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption
    Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.
14. Fraudulent Elections
    Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.

Now, take a very long and careful look at the US right now. What keeps us from becoming a full blown Fascist State is we have the Constitution of the United States that the other countries didn't have. And we need to make sure we keep that document intact. And I mean all of it, not just the parts we agree with while trying to discard the parts we disagree with.

So the reader is supposed to accept this guy's definition of fascism over the definition written by the guys who invented fascism?

 

[Crepitus]

Lol, wrong. I do know that. I live in Kansas, and racists are a dime a dozen here. Every last one of them is a gun-toting, anti-abortion, tRump-loving conservative.

A scholarly discussion of the beliefs of white supremacism is obviously not going to happen with you.

A scholarly discussion of the beliefs of white supremacism?

Lmao!!!

Honesty isn't your thing. When truth doesn't fit the narrative, just lie, right? Yes, you are a compulsive liar and, frankly, an idiot.

Lol, that's right, don't bother to disagree with me. Just call me stupid.

Standard republican retreat.

I already disagreed with you. You said all white supremacists think exactly alike. I said you were wrong and explained how. You didn't like the truth and went into twat mode.

No, you posted your opinion based on your supposed research on a known rwnj website dedicated to racism. That is, at best, your opinion. An opinion I have heard duplicated by many rwnj racsists who want regular people to think their Nazi beliefs are mainstream and should be tolerated.

Find me one of these white supremacists who is also a leftist. Let's talk to this unicorn.

 

[K9Buck]

There are all these self-proclaimed "experts" here on fascism that have obviously never actually read the tenets of fascism as written by the original fascists.

http://www.historyguide.org/europe/duce.html

8. Outside the State there can be neither individuals nor groups (political parties, associations, syndicates, classes). Therefore Fascism is opposed to Socialism, which confines the movement of history within the class struggle and ignores the unity of classes established in one economic and moral reality in the State; and analogously it is opposed to class syndicalism. . . .

nuff said.

Fascism entails government control of every facet of society including the elimination of a free-market economy in favor of an economy managed by government. The modern American right is absolutely and undeniably the biggest supporter of free-market capitalism. The President of the U.S. is the biggest capitalist to ever occupy the White House.

It's the modern left that wants the government to control the nation's healthcare, education and guarantee a "living wage". It's the modern left that despises capitalism.

Yes, fascism is an ideology of the left.

There is no such thing as free market capitalism. Example one. I can't grow hemp even though it is not illegal. Each state gives out licenses to grow a legal weed, yet in my state only two licenses are given. Govt. controlled monopoly is what we have here...

There's a reason FDR so admired Benito Mussolini and his fascist ideals. Was FDR "right wing" too?

No he was mandated by the masses to do something/anything to help. He admired political/economic systems that seems to work when capitalism wasn't.

FDR was once asked if he was a capitalist. He said "no". In that regard, FDR was in agreement with Mussolini. For that matter, Bernie Sanders would agree with Mussolini. But you're telling us that fascism is "right wing", correct?

 

[mudwhistle]

Guys like Pogo ignorantly believe that every white supremacist is a product of the modern right. The reality is much different. I've looked into some of these groups and what I've found is that there are white supremacists that support many of the ideals espoused by the modern left with regard to governance and economics. In fact, in a recent look I took at StormFront ...

Et voilà. You cretins always self-identify. Case closed.

Yeah, you ignore everything he says except what you think you can use. "HE LOOKED AT STORM FRONT! !! "

Truth is the WASHINGTON COMPOST is the leftist version of storm front. So is CNN and MSNBC now.

Guys like Pogo ignorantly believe that every white supremacist is a product of the modern right. The reality is much different. I've looked into some of these groups and what I've found is that there are white supremacists that support many of the ideals espoused by the modern left with regard to governance and economics. In fact, in a recent look I took at StormFront ...

Et voilà. You cretins always self-identify. Case closed.

Yeah, you ignore everything he says except what you think you can use. "HE LOOKED AT STORM FRONT! !! "

Truth is the WASHINGTON COMPOST is the leftist version of storm front. So is CNN and MSNBC now.

I looked at Stormfront to try and figure out what makes them tick. They are very united in some beliefs but diverse in others, particularly on ideologies of governance and economics.

I used to do the same with CNN and MSNBC. Their coverage is so crazy that can't watch it more than a few mins. I can barely stomach FOX. Besides, being told how to think by 3 stuttering idiots in the morning isn't my idea of fun. I guess you could call it morbid curiosity.

 

[K9Buck]

A scholarly discussion of the beliefs of white supremacism is obviously not going to happen with you.

A scholarly discussion of the beliefs of white supremacism?

Lmao!!!

Honesty isn't your thing. When truth doesn't fit the narrative, just lie, right? Yes, you are a compulsive liar and, frankly, an idiot.

Lol, that's right, don't bother to disagree with me. Just call me stupid.

Standard republican retreat.

I already disagreed with you. You said all white supremacists think exactly alike. I said you were wrong and explained how. You didn't like the truth and went into twat mode.

No, you posted your opinion based on your supposed research on a known rwnj website dedicated to racism. That is, at best, your opinion. An opinion I have heard duplicated by many rwnj racsists who want regular people to think their Nazi beliefs are mainstream and should be tolerated.

Find me one of these white supremacists who is also a leftist. Let's talk to this unicorn.

Why should I do your legwork? Do your own research and then prove I'm wrong.

 

[Crepitus]

A scholarly discussion of the beliefs of white supremacism?

Lmao!!!

Honesty isn't your thing. When truth doesn't fit the narrative, just lie, right? Yes, you are a compulsive liar and, frankly, an idiot.

Lol, that's right, don't bother to disagree with me. Just call me stupid.

Standard republican retreat.

I already disagreed with you. You said all white supremacists think exactly alike. I said you were wrong and explained how. You didn't like the truth and went into twat mode.

No, you posted your opinion based on your supposed research on a known rwnj website dedicated to racism. That is, at best, your opinion. An opinion I have heard duplicated by many rwnj racsists who want regular people to think their Nazi beliefs are mainstream and should be tolerated.

Find me one of these white supremacists who is also a leftist. Let's talk to this unicorn.

Why should I do your legwork? Do your own research and then prove I'm wrong.

You made the claim, back it up.

Or you can admit you're talking outta yer ass of course.

 

[K9Buck]

Honesty isn't your thing. When truth doesn't fit the narrative, just lie, right? Yes, you are a compulsive liar and, frankly, an idiot.

Lol, that's right, don't bother to disagree with me. Just call me stupid.

Standard republican retreat.

I already disagreed with you. You said all white supremacists think exactly alike. I said you were wrong and explained how. You didn't like the truth and went into twat mode.

No, you posted your opinion based on your supposed research on a known rwnj website dedicated to racism. That is, at best, your opinion. An opinion I have heard duplicated by many rwnj racsists who want regular people to think their Nazi beliefs are mainstream and should be tolerated.

Find me one of these white supremacists who is also a leftist. Let's talk to this unicorn.

Why should I do your legwork? Do your own research and then prove I'm wrong.

You made the claim, back it up.

Or you can admit you're talking outta yer ass of course.

Go to StormFront and look for my posts. You'll see it there.

 

[bodecea]

Why is nationalism considered a trait of fascism? By that standard, Mahatma Gandhi and Abraham Lincoln were "fascists".

TN Harley would agree with you there.

There are all these self-proclaimed "experts" here on fascism that have obviously never actually read the tenets of fascism as written by the original fascists.

http://www.historyguide.org/europe/duce.html

8. Outside the State there can be neither individuals nor groups (political parties, associations, syndicates, classes). Therefore Fascism is opposed to Socialism, which confines the movement of history within the class struggle and ignores the unity of classes established in one economic and moral reality in the State; and analogously it is opposed to class syndicalism. . . .

nuff said.

Fascism entails government control of every facet of society including the elimination of a free-market economy in favor of an economy managed by government. The modern American right is absolutely and undeniably the biggest supporter of free-market capitalism. The President of the U.S. is the biggest capitalist to ever occupy the White House.

It's the modern left that wants the government to control the nation's healthcare, education and guarantee a "living wage". It's the modern left that despises capitalism.

Yes, fascism is an ideology of the left.

Read up on Marco and Spain. Get a real shocker. Fascism is a 20th century invention in response to offset Socialism. The War of Spain in the 30s will show you what the real Communism (also sometimes called socialism) and Fascism is all about and why they were directly fighting each other. Read up on it and stop being stupid.

You mean Franco, right?

 

[bodecea]

Lol, that's right, don't bother to disagree with me. Just call me stupid.

Standard republican retreat.

I already disagreed with you. You said all white supremacists think exactly alike. I said you were wrong and explained how. You didn't like the truth and went into twat mode.

No, you posted your opinion based on your supposed research on a known rwnj website dedicated to racism. That is, at best, your opinion. An opinion I have heard duplicated by many rwnj racsists who want regular people to think their Nazi beliefs are mainstream and should be tolerated.

Find me one of these white supremacists who is also a leftist. Let's talk to this unicorn.

Why should I do your legwork? Do your own research and then prove I'm wrong.

You made the claim, back it up.

Or you can admit you're talking outta yer ass of course.

Go to StormFront and look for my posts. You'll see it there.

Well then....anyone else as not-surprised as I am?

 

[Daryl Hunt]

TN Harley would agree with you there.

There are all these self-proclaimed "experts" here on fascism that have obviously never actually read the tenets of fascism as written by the original fascists.

http://www.historyguide.org/europe/duce.html

8. Outside the State there can be neither individuals nor groups (political parties, associations, syndicates, classes). Therefore Fascism is opposed to Socialism, which confines the movement of history within the class struggle and ignores the unity of classes established in one economic and moral reality in the State; and analogously it is opposed to class syndicalism. . . .

nuff said.

Fascism entails government control of every facet of society including the elimination of a free-market economy in favor of an economy managed by government. The modern American right is absolutely and undeniably the biggest supporter of free-market capitalism. The President of the U.S. is the biggest capitalist to ever occupy the White House.

It's the modern left that wants the government to control the nation's healthcare, education and guarantee a "living wage". It's the modern left that despises capitalism.

Yes, fascism is an ideology of the left.

There is no such thing as free market capitalism. Example one. I can't grow hemp even though it is not illegal. Each state gives out licenses to grow a legal weed, yet in my state only two licenses are given. Govt. controlled monopoly is what we have here...

There's a reason FDR so admired Benito Mussolini and his fascist ideals. Was FDR "right wing" too?

Until you actually research Marco from Spain and his Rise to Power then there is little to effort to be spent on your just googling and picking just those things that agree with you.

But on Mussolini, when he was rising to power, he invented Fascism. And Fascism's first thing was to go against the established Church Meddling in the peoples every day lives and the Government and align the Government with the Corporate Ruling Class. Mussolini worked with the Companies, created Jobs, ended hunger, etc.. He did a lot of great things. Until he cemented his power. Then he became what he intended to be in the first place. POWER. He cemented his Dictatorship. At that point, anyone or anything that opposed him was destroyed. And that included people doing idle gossip at the coffee houses. He had a Military that blindly followed him and would murder anyone that got identified as an enemy to the state (or an enemy to Mussolini) in any small way. It was no longer Fascism. It was a full blown Dictatorship. No longer did FDR or any other Western Leader admire the man. He was no longer a man, he was a Monster. Marco saw this this and kept it as Fascism and never made the leap to a Dictator and his regime lasted over 60 years before he died. Even today, spain is considered a RW government as compared to the rest. They just don't call it Fascism anymore. Mussolini and Hitler really soured everyone on that name.

Until you learn the history of Europe you are still going to keep doing this. Education is a good thing.

Here is a brief synopsis. There is a lot more if you care to research it and it's fascinating. Don't let the way they use the words Republican and Socialist fool you. You can call a duck a fish but it's still a duck. Like calling Fascist Germany a Socialist Country and Spains extreme left prior to the Marco and Fascist win Republicans.

https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/spanish-civil-war-breaks-out

 

[Crepitus]

Lol, that's right, don't bother to disagree with me. Just call me stupid.

Standard republican retreat.

I already disagreed with you. You said all white supremacists think exactly alike. I said you were wrong and explained how. You didn't like the truth and went into twat mode.

No, you posted your opinion based on your supposed research on a known rwnj website dedicated to racism. That is, at best, your opinion. An opinion I have heard duplicated by many rwnj racsists who want regular people to think their Nazi beliefs are mainstream and should be tolerated.

Find me one of these white supremacists who is also a leftist. Let's talk to this unicorn.

Why should I do your legwork? Do your own research and then prove I'm wrong.

You made the claim, back it up.

Or you can admit you're talking outta yer ass of course.

Go to StormFront and look for my posts. You'll see it there.

So you admit you're talking outta your ass.

That's what I figured.

 

[K9Buck]

I already disagreed with you. You said all white supremacists think exactly alike. I said you were wrong and explained how. You didn't like the truth and went into twat mode.

No, you posted your opinion based on your supposed research on a known rwnj website dedicated to racism. That is, at best, your opinion. An opinion I have heard duplicated by many rwnj racsists who want regular people to think their Nazi beliefs are mainstream and should be tolerated.

Find me one of these white supremacists who is also a leftist. Let's talk to this unicorn.

Why should I do your legwork? Do your own research and then prove I'm wrong.

You made the claim, back it up.

Or you can admit you're talking outta yer ass of course.

Go to StormFront and look for my posts. You'll see it there.

Well then....anyone else as not-surprised as I am?

I've been attacked by a good number of white nationalists on THIS site for criticizing their statements. Hence, my signature.

 

[K9Buck]

Daryl Hunt

The backbone of modern, American, right-wing ideology is limited government, fewer government regulations, less government control and support for free-market capitalism. That is the ANTITHESIS of fascism. Tell me how I'm wrong.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

TN Harley would agree with you there.

There are all these self-proclaimed "experts" here on fascism that have obviously never actually read the tenets of fascism as written by the original fascists.

http://www.historyguide.org/europe/duce.html

8. Outside the State there can be neither individuals nor groups (political parties, associations, syndicates, classes). Therefore Fascism is opposed to Socialism, which confines the movement of history within the class struggle and ignores the unity of classes established in one economic and moral reality in the State; and analogously it is opposed to class syndicalism. . . .

nuff said.

Fascism entails government control of every facet of society including the elimination of a free-market economy in favor of an economy managed by government. The modern American right is absolutely and undeniably the biggest supporter of free-market capitalism. The President of the U.S. is the biggest capitalist to ever occupy the White House.

It's the modern left that wants the government to control the nation's healthcare, education and guarantee a "living wage". It's the modern left that despises capitalism.

Yes, fascism is an ideology of the left.

Read up on Marco and Spain. Get a real shocker. Fascism is a 20th century invention in response to offset Socialism. The War of Spain in the 30s will show you what the real Communism (also sometimes called socialism) and Fascism is all about and why they were directly fighting each other. Read up on it and stop being stupid.

You mean Franco, right?

YEs, sorry about that. Why did I say Marco. Brain Fart. BTW, until one day just outside of a USAF base in Spain I highly respected Franco. Until his policy reached up and bit us in the ass. It's all good until it happens to you. A country can be way too Right Wing as well.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Daryl Hunt

The backbone of modern, American, right-wing ideology is limited government, fewer government regulations, less government control and support for free-market capitalism. That is the ANTITHESIS of fascism. Tell me how I'm wrong.

That sounds good if it were in practice. It's not today. I posted the 14 signs of Fascism and almost all of them fit the US Federal Government today. And those 14 articles of Fascism were created in around 1922 by Mussolini who used them to gain power in Italy. And by Hitler who also used them to gain power in Germany. Franco used it also but he was forced to use it. Even though the Fascists were the driving force for getting Franco into power I don't believe Franco was much of a Fascists but more of a great General.

 

[K9Buck]

Daryl Hunt

The backbone of modern, American, right-wing ideology is limited government, fewer government regulations, less government control and support for free-market capitalism. That is the ANTITHESIS of fascism. Tell me how I'm wrong.

That sounds good if it were in practice. It's not today. I posted the 14 signs of Fascism and almost all of them fit the US Federal Government today. And those 14 articles of Fascism were created in around 1922 by Mussolini who used them to gain power in Italy. And by Hitler who also used them to gain power in Germany. Franco used it also but he was forced to use it. Even though the Fascists were the driving force for getting Franco into power I don't believe Franco was much of a Fascists but more of a great General.

Your "definition" of fascism is not accurate, not by a longshot.

 

[MindWars]

And societies morons literally believe the MSM when they use the term " manifesto" don't you stupid ass fks get why they use certain terminology inn msms.

1. it lets you stupid fks thinnk his charges are legit ( you know homegrown terrorist) cause they said so.

2. the term " electronic manifesto" allows the c..... to use certain charges under terrors threats then the gu on TV says how fast the cops got there DUDE GIVE ME A MOTHER FKN BREAK, THE COPS GOT THEIR FAST BECAUSE THE GAWD DAM KID CALLED BEFORE HE SHOT PPL UP SEE THAT'S HOW SLICK INFORMATION NGOES RIGHT THE HELL OVER YOU DEMOCRATIC MORONS HEADS!! Annd that's only a tiny grain of an example.

 

[Wry Catcher]

Police are investigating a manifesto posted online by the suspect in a San Diego synagogue shooting that left one dead and several others injured. Stating he hated Jews, President Trump and all conservatives (are we sure he is NOT a white, Muslim convert???)

John T. Earnest, 19, was taken into custody without incident following the shooting at the Chabad of Poway Jewish congregation around 11.30am PT on Saturday, according to the San Diego County Sheriff's Department.

Killed in the attack was Lori Gilbert-Kaye, 60, according to a family friend.

The three injured victims were identified as: Rabbi Yisroel Goldstein, who was shot in the fingers; an eight-year-old girl visiting from Israel; and the girl's 34-year-old uncle Almog Peretz, also visiting from Israel.

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...

I could wish the scumbags at the DNC realize they've created this monster with their hate filled narrative. The shooting of Republican.Scalise at the sports field. The violent attacks of antifa on conservatives.

All of this is in the spirit of liberalism. I said, "I could wish." But, it'll never happen. Liberals are too narcissistic, too obtuse, too reprobate to ever admit anything.....just look to the Surrender Monkey!

https://infostormer.com/san-diego-synagogue-shooter-john-earnests-full-manifesto/

This fantasy ^^^ is how far out of touch with reality the author has come, and sadly he's not alone. Simple explanations for criminal acts (the motive) is nearly always impossible - even the perp may not be able to explain why.

And yet before the body was cold, he has written an entire manifesto on who and why. What we know is a person with a gun shot up a place of faith and killed one women and wounded three others and traumatized many.

 

[Pogo]

Daryl Hunt

The backbone of modern, American, right-wing ideology is limited government, fewer government regulations, less government control and support for free-market capitalism. That is the ANTITHESIS of fascism. Tell me how I'm wrong.

The premise in your first sentence.