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CPUC 2012 1st and 2nd Quarter Renewables Report to the Legislature
Cudos, at least with respect to the West Coast.
Cudos, at least with respect to the West Coast.
California 20% renewables
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skookerasbil
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Cool..........California customers are going to love the 28% increase in costs over the next 7 years................
Clean energy: Costs rising for California consumers - CSMonitor.com
To go along with rolling blackouts like they saw in the early 2000's!!!
Awesome!!! Will never happen in a huge majority of states!!!
Clean energy: Costs rising for California consumers - CSMonitor.com
To go along with rolling blackouts like they saw in the early 2000's!!!
Awesome!!! Will never happen in a huge majority of states!!!
ScienceRocks
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Cool..........California customers are going to love the 28% increase in costs over the next 7 years................
Clean energy: Costs rising for California consumers - CSMonitor.com
To go along with rolling blackouts like they saw in the early 2000's!!!
Awesome!!! Will never happen in a huge majority of states!!!
Hopefully, the technology can be as cheap as coal very soon.
skookerasbil
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Cool..........California customers are going to love the 28% increase in costs over the next 7 years................
Clean energy: Costs rising for California consumers - CSMonitor.com
To go along with rolling blackouts like they saw in the early 2000's!!!
Awesome!!! Will never happen in a huge majority of states!!!
Hopefully, the technology can be as cheap as coal very soon.
Nobody is saying that except the progressive websites...................
From today's REALCLEAR Energy >>>
Climate of Failure - By Roger Pielke Jr. | Foreign Policy
Old Rocks
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Cool..........California customers are going to love the 28% increase in costs over the next 7 years................
Clean energy: Costs rising for California consumers - CSMonitor.com
To go along with rolling blackouts like they saw in the early 2000's!!!
Awesome!!! Will never happen in a huge majority of states!!!
Hopefully, the technology can be as cheap as coal very soon.
Nobody is saying that except the progressive websites...................
From today's REALCLEAR Energy >>>
Climate of Failure - By Roger Pielke Jr. | Foreign Policy
A good article, Steve.
Climate of Failure - By Roger Pielke Jr. | Foreign Policy
Natural gas is not a long-term solution to the challenge of stabilizing carbon dioxide levels in the atmosphere, because it is still carbon intensive, but the rapidly declining U.S. emissions prove an essential policy point: Make clean(er) energy cheap, and dirty energy will be quickly displaced. To secure cheap energy alternatives requires innovation -- technological, but also institutional and social. Nuclear power offers the promise of large scale carbon-free energy, but is currently expensive and controversial. Carbon capture from coal and gas, large-scale wind, and solar each offer tantalizing possibilities, but remain technologically immature and expensive, especially when compared to gas. The innovation challenge is enormous, but so is the scale of the problem. A focus on innovation -- not on debates over climate science or a mythical high carbon price -- is where we'll make process.
The vast complexity of the climate issue offers many avenues for action across a range of different issues. What we need is the wisdom to have a constructive debate on climate policy options without all the vitriolic proxy battles. The anger and destructiveness seen from both sides of this debate will not be going away, of course, but constructive debate will move on to focus on goals that can actually be accomplished. To paraphrase the great columnist Walter Lippmann, politics is not about getting people to think alike, but about getting people who think differently to act alike. The climate issue will never be solved completely, but it's still possible for us to make things better or worse.
I'm all for doing better.
skookerasbil
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Hopefully, the technology can be as cheap as coal very soon.
Nobody is saying that except the progressive websites...................
From today's REALCLEAR Energy >>>
Climate of Failure - By Roger Pielke Jr. | Foreign Policy
A good article, Steve.
Climate of Failure - By Roger Pielke Jr. | Foreign Policy
Natural gas is not a long-term solution to the challenge of stabilizing carbon dioxide levels in the atmosphere, because it is still carbon intensive, but the rapidly declining U.S. emissions prove an essential policy point: Make clean(er) energy cheap, and dirty energy will be quickly displaced. To secure cheap energy alternatives requires innovation -- technological, but also institutional and social. Nuclear power offers the promise of large scale carbon-free energy, but is currently expensive and controversial. Carbon capture from coal and gas, large-scale wind, and solar each offer tantalizing possibilities, but remain technologically immature and expensive, especially when compared to gas. The innovation challenge is enormous, but so is the scale of the problem. A focus on innovation -- not on debates over climate science or a mythical high carbon price -- is where we'll make process.
The vast complexity of the climate issue offers many avenues for action across a range of different issues. What we need is the wisdom to have a constructive debate on climate policy options without all the vitriolic proxy battles. The anger and destructiveness seen from both sides of this debate will not be going away, of course, but constructive debate will move on to focus on goals that can actually be accomplished. To paraphrase the great columnist Walter Lippmann, politics is not about getting people to think alike, but about getting people who think differently to act alike. The climate issue will never be solved completely, but it's still possible for us to make things better or worse.
I'm all for doing better.
Yeah Ray.......but only liberals do things for the sake of doing things. One will notice that nobody in the environmentalist community ever cares to operationally define: "make things better". By how much? At what cost and to whom? Fact is, "making it better" is a hail mary pass guess, like somebody giving me a pill to make my dick bigger and saying, "It'll make it better!!". Really? For whom? Who the **** knows? Does that mean my dick will feel more like a hero, or me? Or my wife?
Make no mistake.........liberals have made an art out of hooking the hopelessly duped on generalities with just about anything you're talking but most notably, the environment. Nobody knows jack about if you cut X amount of Co2, we'll end up with a decrease in Y in terms of climate change!!
Its llike Harry here going in for his evening cup of Joe every night.................
ScienceRocks
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skookerasbil what of the three renewable technologys below holds the most promise in the long term?
-Solar
-Wind
-Wave
-Solar
-Wind
-Wave
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Hopefully, the technology can be as cheap as coal very soon.
Nobody is saying that except the progressive websites...................
From today's REALCLEAR Energy >>>
Climate of Failure - By Roger Pielke Jr. | Foreign Policy
A good article, Steve.
Climate of Failure - By Roger Pielke Jr. | Foreign Policy
Natural gas is not a long-term solution to the challenge of stabilizing carbon dioxide levels in the atmosphere, because it is still carbon intensive, but the rapidly declining U.S. emissions prove an essential policy point: Make clean(er) energy cheap, and dirty energy will be quickly displaced. To secure cheap energy alternatives requires innovation -- technological, but also institutional and social. Nuclear power offers the promise of large scale carbon-free energy, but is currently expensive and controversial. Carbon capture from coal and gas, large-scale wind, and solar each offer tantalizing possibilities, but remain technologically immature and expensive, especially when compared to gas. The innovation challenge is enormous, but so is the scale of the problem. A focus on innovation -- not on debates over climate science or a mythical high carbon price -- is where we'll make process.
The vast complexity of the climate issue offers many avenues for action across a range of different issues. What we need is the wisdom to have a constructive debate on climate policy options without all the vitriolic proxy battles. The anger and destructiveness seen from both sides of this debate will not be going away, of course, but constructive debate will move on to focus on goals that can actually be accomplished. To paraphrase the great columnist Walter Lippmann, politics is not about getting people to think alike, but about getting people who think differently to act alike. The climate issue will never be solved completely, but it's still possible for us to make things better or worse.
I'm all for doing better.
Natural gas is not a long-term solution...stopped reading it right there.
Sure it isn't.
Only the most abundant hydrocarbon in the USA, but it's not a solution.
Uh huh.
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Natural gas
Trakar
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Considering the average 50% (2000-2009 increases were 55%) increase in prices for fossil fuel sourced electricity nation-wide over the next decade,...that sounds like a bargain!!
Yes, it is good to remember that energy deregulation allows corrupt corporate behavior in the pursuit of profit "Enron" ring any bells?
Awesome!!! Will never happen in a huge majority of states!!!
a bizarrely pessimistic perspective but it does well display the inherent sociopathy.
Oddball
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Those rolling blackouts were largely because of the incompetence of Gray Davis (D) meddling in the energy marketplace.
There's a reason Fonicalia voters threw him out on his ass.
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Cool..........California customers are going to love the 28% increase in costs over the next 7 years................
Clean energy: Costs rising for California consumers - CSMonitor.com
To go along with rolling blackouts like they saw in the early 2000's!!!
Awesome!!! Will never happen in a huge majority of states!!!
Hopefully, the technology can be as cheap as coal very soon.
((Gas is generally cheaper than coal now, much more scalable, and a significantly lower carbon emission per KWh. not to mention other emissions. That's the primary reason new coal plant plans have been diminishing and disappearing over the last decade even ahead of the regulation and policy statements))
Why???
There is every reason to believe that we have far more energy reserves than the government estimates.
a. The 2008 USGS assessment estimated 3.0 to 4.3 billion barrels of undiscovered, technically recoverable oil in the U.S. portion of the Bakken Formation, elevating it to a “world-class” accumulation. The estimate had a mean value of 3.65 billion barrels. The USGS routinely conducts updates to oil and gas assessments when significant new information is available, such as new understanding of a resource basin’s geology or when advances in technology occur for drilling and production…. The 2008 USGS assessment showed a 25-fold increase in the amount of technically recoverable oil as compared to the agency's 1995 estimate of 151 million barrels of oil. Bakken Formation Oil Assessment in North Dakota, Montana will be updated by U.S. Geological Survey
b. Oil giant BP says it has made a "giant" new oil discovery in its fields in the Gulf of MexicoÂ…. BP said the discovery, amounting to more than three billion barrels, would "support the continuing growth of our deepwater Gulf of Mexico business into the second half of the next decade". BBC NEWS | Business | BP in 'giant' new oil discovery
c. According to the US Geological Survey, the Arctic sea floor has 13% of the world's undiscovered "conventional" oil reserves and 30% of undiscovered natural-gas reserves. Oil-Drilling Trade-Offs: Keystone for Alaska
d. The Marcellus Shale [Pennsylvania, Oho, New York] could be one of the USA's most promising natural gas ...that the Marcellus might contain more than 500 trillion cubic feet of natural gas. ... Marcellus Shale Gas: New Research Results Surprise Geologists!
Oddball
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Because it makes environmentalist wacko moonbats feel like they're saving the Earf.
If only we could be as noble as they.....(sigh...)
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Cool..........California customers are going to love the 28% increase in costs over the next 7 years................
Clean energy: Costs rising for California consumers - CSMonitor.com
To go along with rolling blackouts like they saw in the early 2000's!!!
Awesome!!! Will never happen in a huge majority of states!!!
Hopefully, the technology can be as cheap as coal very soon.
((Gas is generally cheaper than coal now, much more scalable, and a significantly lower carbon emission per KWh. not to mention other emissions. That's the primary reason new coal plant plans have been diminishing and disappearing over the last decade even ahead of the regulation and policy statements))
((((((Almost forgot to mention the trillions of cf of natural gas that fracking has been able to exploit lately)))))
((((((((((oops))))))))))
Trakar
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Hopefully, the technology can be as cheap as coal very soon.
((Gas is generally cheaper than coal now, much more scalable, and a significantly lower carbon emission per KWh. not to mention other emissions. That's the primary reason new coal plant plans have been diminishing and disappearing over the last decade even ahead of the regulation and policy statements))
((((((Almost forgot to mention the trillions of cf of natural gas that fracking has been able to exploit lately)))))
((((((((((oops))))))))))
too funny!
I don't particularly have a problem with fracking. The industry needs oversight and effective regulation, but until someone presents evidence that the process itself is inherently troublesome rather than merely potentially subject to negligent application, I see no reason not to exploit a muchcheaper, cleaner fuel to help transition us away from two much dirtier fuels while advanced design nuclear, and alternatives to grow and mature in their ablity to gradually shoulder the full burden when we start reducing the role of gas in the future.
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Cool..........California customers are going to love the 28% increase in costs over the next 7 years................
Clean energy: Costs rising for California consumers - CSMonitor.com
To go along with rolling blackouts like they saw in the early 2000's!!!
Awesome!!! Will never happen in a huge majority of states!!!
Do you really want to source the cause for rolling blackouts?
E N R O N, aka, unregulated capitalism.
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