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BWA-HA-HA-HA-HA!

My God, your desperation grows worse with every post.

Link to Trump's replacement for Obamacare, please. Show me his plan.

Then link to the GOP's replacement for Obamacare, please. Show me their plan.

You were hoaxed, kiddo. It's amazing just how persistent your delusion is. I guess you really are as dumb and credulous as Trump and the GOP think you are.

Sad.
Jobs provide Healthcare, not government.

You want Trump to provide an extensive socialism program to replace the failed obamacare socialism program?

You are right, we conservatives do not have socialism programs.
 

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Jobs provide Healthcare, not government.

You want Trump to provide an extensive socialism program to replace the failed obamacare socialism program?

You are right, we conservatives do not have socialism programs.
Trump and the GOP promised a free market solution.

The Cadillac would cost less than the Yugo, lions would lie down with sheep, and it would be a perfect 72 degrees forever.

It was all a giant hoax.

Jobs provide healthcare: Did you know the employer provided health insurance deduction actually drives the cost of healthcare up?

Did you ever wonder why you can't call any insurance company in the country and buy whatever health insurance options you wish, the same way you can with car and life and home insurance?

Hmmmmm...
 

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Trump and the GOP promised a free market solution.

The Cadillac would cost less than the Yugo, lions would lie down with sheep, and it would be a perfect 72 degrees forever.

It was all a giant hoax.

Jobs provide healthcare? Did you know the employer provided health insurance deduction actually drives the cost of healthcare up?
I am not interested in your American Marxism.

Yes, I agree, the rules and regulations democrats created, drives up the cost of Healthcare.

I can see how you hate jobs and all the do for us.

But, your offered alternative is worst, print money to pay people to sit on their asses. That will last only so long than it will be you forced to the American Gulags
 

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I am not interested in your American Marxism.

Yes, I agree, the rules and regulations democrats created, drives up the cost of Healthcare.

I can see how you hate jobs and all the do for us.

But, your offered alternative is worst, print money to pay people to sit on their asses. That will last only so long than it will be you forced to the American Gulags
My American Marxism. BWA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA!

You really are clueless.

I've posted several hundred times how to cut healthcare spending on this forum. You have no clue just how incredibly stupid you sound right now.

But like all Trumptards, you manufacture bullshit as quickly as your god Trump.
 

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But, your offered alternative is worst, print money to pay people to sit on their asses. That will last only so long than it will be you forced to the American Gulags
Oh, please tell me what my "offered alternative" is. Please. This should be a riot! :lol:

Fair warning: I am a Never Trumper. Not a Democrat.

So...please proceed. :lol:
 

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Oh, please tell me what my "offered alternative" is. Please. This should be a riot! :lol:

Fair warning: I am a Never Trumper. Not a Democrat.

So...please proceed. :lol:
You sound just like a socialist marxist to me.

Fair warning or not, you can label yourself whatever you please but your ideas are definitely pure socialist Democrat. American Marxism is how your comments sound.
 

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You sound just like a socialist marxist to me.

Fair warning or not, you can label yourself whatever you please but your ideas are definitely pure socialist Democrat. American Marxism is how your comments sound.
And what are my ideas, kiddo?

All I have done is point out Trump hoaxed you. You have no clue what my ideas are. You are making shit up, just like your god Trump.
 

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You sound just like a socialist marxist to me.

Fair warning or not, you can label yourself whatever you please but your ideas are definitely pure socialist Democrat. American Marxism is how your comments sound.
Some of my posts from years past are below. Please tell me which parts are "American Marxism" or "socialist marxist".

Thanks.




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ObamaCare was a bait-and-switch con.

First, Obama swore he would not sign a law that added so much as one dime to the federal debt.

Second, ObamaCare was supposed to REDUCE health care costs. That is the one and only fricking goal which matters.

You can celebrate all the new Medicaid enrollees all you like, but your joy will be short lived when the bill comes in the mail.

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ObamaCare was a classic bait-and-switch con game. Remember all that talk about the per capita spending on medical care in the US? Healthcare "reform" was supposed to be about bending the cost curve down.

That was the bait.

The switch was ObamaCare. It does nothing to bend the cost curve down at all. In fact, it entrenches systems which will continue to bend the curve up, and then some.


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I will tell you a superior plan to ObamaCare. ObamaCare does fuck-all to bend the cost curve down. The American people were suckered by a bait and switch con.


First, we need to eliminate the tax exemption of employer-sponsored health insurance, thus making it go away. Employer-sponsored health insurance is one of the biggest drivers of increasing costs. And ObamaCare actually entrenches this even more deeply, which is the exact opposite direction we need to go.

Not only that, Obama waived a tax hike on Cadillac plans for his union pals that is in ObamaCare. Proof positive he is a special interest lackey.


Next, you should be able to buy your health insurance the same way you buy your home, auto, and life insurance. From any company in the country. And you get to choose what options you want to pay for, and which options you don't.

This also has the added benefit of giving you the ability to have uninterrupted health insurance coverage with the same insurance company despite any number of changes in your employers.

Just like home, auto, and life insurance.


Of the alleged "47 million uninsured Americans" a full third of those people aren't Americans. They are legal and illegal immigrants.

Another approximate 8 percent are voluntarily uninsured.

And the people who are uninsured today are not the same people who will be uninsured six months from now. That is because many of them are people who lost their jobs, and therefore their employer-sponsored health insurance.

ObamaCare is massive government overkill for what is actually a much, much smaller problem than the bleeding hearts made it out to be.

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Did you ever notice you do not buy your home, auto, and life insurance the same way you get your health insurance? Ever wonder why that is, and what it is about health insurance that we don't see in home, auto, or life insurance?

The federal government is not an active participant in the home, auto, and life insurance markets, that's why.

So explain to me why the federal government is involved in the health insurance market AND GETS TO WRITE THE RULES FOR ITS COMPETITORS.

Is it any wonder the healthcare market is all fucked up? The government has made sure the private market is a complete clusterfuck. You can't pick up the phone and buy health insurance from any one of those 1500 health insurance companies you cited. You can only buy from a select few who are geographically limited to selling only in your area.

That is completely different from the way you buy home, auto, and life insurance. With home, auto, and life insurance, you can buy insurance from any company you wish. And you get to choose which options you want, and which ones you do not want.

ObamaCare has more deeplly embedded one of the biggest drivers of cost, and that is employer provided health insurance. ObamaCare has ensured the cost of healthcare will continue to rise.

See you in 2019 when your taxes skyrocket and your health care costs are nearly double what they are now.


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I can call any auto insurance company in the country to buy my auto insurance. This gives me maximum leverage, because they know I can hang up and call any of a constellation of competitors.

And that keeps insurance rates low.

Also, I am not held hostage by my employer and forced into a take-it-or-leave-it situation with my auto insurance.

If I transfer to a different company, I don't automatically lose my auto insurance.

I can also bundle my auto insurance with my life and home insurance to get discounts.

I also get long term customer discounts.

I am not able to not one bit of that with my health insurance.

And why is that, Derp?

BECAUSE THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT WON'T LET ME!!!

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Here's the smart way to fix health care:

1. We should be buying our health insurance the same way we buy our home, auto, and life insurance. I should be able to pick up the phone and call any insurance company in the country and buy the insurance I want. This way, I have maximum leverage since I can hang up if I am not satisfied and call any one of a constellation of competitors, just like I do now with my home, auto, and life insurance.

2. We need to eliminate employer sponsored health insurance (ESHI). ESHI is one of the biggest drivers of increasing health care costs. Also, employees are completely hostage to their employer's insurance. There is no negotiation. It is a take it or leave it proposition from a single insurer. And if you lose your job, you lose your health insurance. And you don't get new insurance until you have been in your new job for up to six months. With my home, auto, and life insurance, I get bundle discounts and long term customer discounts.

We can easily disincentivize ESHI by eliminating the tax exemption we currently have for ESHI.

3. We need LESS government in health care, not more. The government is the biggest market entity in the health insurance market, and it gets to write the rules for its private sector competitors. This is not the case in the auto, home, and life insurance markets, where prices have been DROPPING.

4. The idiot liberals have demanded more and more government takeover of health care. When you concentrate power in one place, you make it easier to capture. The liberals have NEVER learned this lesson. In every aspect of our lives, they have continually repeated this insanity over and over and over and over. And then when that centralized power gets captured by corrupt special interests, the liberals demand we solve the problem with MORE government takeover.

Unbelievable.
 

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BWA-HA-HA-HA-HA!

My God, your desperation grows worse with every post.

Link to Trump's replacement for Obamacare, please. Show me his plan.

Then link to the GOP's replacement for Obamacare, please. Show me their plan.

You were hoaxed, kiddo. It's amazing just how persistent your delusion is. I guess you really are as dumb and credulous as Trump and the GOP think you are.

Sad.
It's a pathological mass psychosis I call "magaturdism". No cure, unfortunately.
 

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Some of my posts from years past are below. Please tell me which parts are "American Marxism" or "socialist marxist".

Thanks.
I will take the time to read your ideas, a quick glance shows some are the things Trump tried to do.

But in your exchange with me all you did was rant and rave Trump had no obamacare plan replacement of his own.

That certainly made it look like you are arguing for big social marxist types of programs.

Seriously, you were a bit unhinged with your vitriol.
 

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Still waiting for a link to Trump's replacement for Obamacare, elektra

Or a link to the GOP replacement.

And an explanation of what parts of my ideas are American Marxism.

 

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I will take the time to read your ideas, a quick glance shows some are the things Trump tried to do.

But in your exchange with me all you did was rant and rave Trump had no obamacare plan replacement of his own.

That certainly made it look like you are arguing for big social marxist types of programs.

Seriously, you were a bit unhinged with your vitriol.
If you can link to any legislative proposals Trump submitted which contain the same ideas as mine, I'd appreciate it.

And yes, all I did was state over and over that Trump hoaxed you. I did not tell you what my ideas were, but your fevered imagination said my ideas were American Marxism. You manufactured pure bullshit.

Your defense of your delusion gets more and more insane. Trump's hoax is incredibly deeply embedded in you.

Accusing me of being a marxist is about as hateful and deluded as it gets.
 

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Sorry, I don't do anything a retarded lib tells me to. Sounds like that truth hurts bad. You pound sand scumbag.
No U! You sound like a politically radicalized fuckboi, you fucking magaturd. Disagreeing with you dipshits is not tolerated and automatically triggers accusations of 'lib!!'. Fuck that and fuck you.
 

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Still waiting for a link to Trump's replacement for Obamacare, elektra

Or a link to the GOP replacement.

And an explanation of what parts of my ideas are American Marxism.

You think trump needed a replacement program for obamacare? Another huge socialist program? You were not going to get that from Trump. Hence one was never offered. You rant that obamacare was a scam and now you rant and rave that Trump should provide the same, but better?

Troll on. Troll on. And Troll on. A never Trumper, more like a never thinker
 

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You think trump needed a replacement program for obamacare? Another huge socialist program? You were not going to get that from Trump. Hence one was never offered. You rant that obamacare was a scam and now you rant and rave that Trump should provide the same, but better?

Troll on. Troll on. And Troll on. A never Trumper, more like a never thinker
Trump said he had a replacement. Is your delusion now proceeding to a whole new level?
 

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And yes, all I did was state over and over that Trump hoaxed you.
You are a sloppy troll

You demanded to see a Trump plan to replace Obama's.

The idea that all you said was Trump hoaxed me is pure bullshit.

To me, after this brilliant exchange where you articulated your opinion and points with such class and intellect, I see you as another marching to the beat of the Democrats calling.

Nothing you post now can change who you showed yourself to be.
 

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Our government spends $1.4 trillion a year on tax expenditures. Tax expenditures tilt the playing field in favor of the uber-rich who can afford to bribe our politicians to put those changes in the tax code.

The left hates ALL rich people. They want to tax all rich people more.

It's like someone robbed your house, and the police are providing protection for the burglars. And someone says the solution to this fucking burglary problem is to tax the guy who lives in a bigger house than you more.

Insanity.
 

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