But...they have gun control in New Zealand...right? Then how did this guy shoot two police officers?

[2aguy]

Police officers shot in New Zealand...where we are told they have strict gun control laws...

Police officer shot dead, another injured during 'routine' traffic stop in Auckland

www.9news.com.au

 

[miketx]

Ima go with elfin magic.

 

[Maxdeath]

You aren't going along with the narrative of the undereducated. It was not the person it was the gun.
The gun probably bought a ticket, got on a plane, just so it could shoot those people.
Pay attention to the narrative of the undereducated it is always the gun.

 

[rightwinger]

So unless gun control can stop every single gun crime, we should not even try.

 

[2aguy]

So unless gun control can stop every single gun crime, we should not even try.

Nope.......they should focus on keeping criminals locked up.....just like we need to get the democrat party to stop releasing violent, repeat gun offenders over and over again...that is how you stop gun crime....not gun control laws targeting normal gun owners who don't use their guns for crime.

 

[rightwinger]

So unless gun control can stop every single gun crime, we should not even try.

Nope.......they should focus on keeping criminals locked up.....just like we need to get the democrat party to stop releasing violent, repeat gun offenders over and over again...that is how you stop gun crime....not gun control laws targeting normal gun owners who don't use their guns for crime.

We have 2.5 million criminals locked up but still have one of the highest homicide rates in the free world.

It is not working

 

[2aguy]

So unless gun control can stop every single gun crime, we should not even try.

Nope.......they should focus on keeping criminals locked up.....just like we need to get the democrat party to stop releasing violent, repeat gun offenders over and over again...that is how you stop gun crime....not gun control laws targeting normal gun owners who don't use their guns for crime.

We have 2.5 million criminals locked up but still have one of the highest homicide rates in the free world.

It is not working

No......we have 2.5 million criminals temporarily locked up......then the democrat party releases the known, violent, repeat gun offenders.....that is the problem.....if they kept them locked up we wouldn't have the gun crime we have, since it is the repeat offenders doing 95% of all gun crime.

 

[NoNukes]

So unless gun control can stop every single gun crime, we should not even try.

This just shows how dangerous having guns around is.

 

[2aguy]

So unless gun control can stop every single gun crime, we should not even try.

This just shows how dangerous having guns around is.

No.......because in the United States, as more Americans own and carry guns, our gun crime rate went down 75%, our gun murder rate went down 49%, and our our violent crime rate went down 72%....so you are just wrong.

This shows that it isn't guns, access to guns or normal people owning and carrying guns that causes the gun crime rate.....

Our problem is that the democrat party and their policies keep releasing the most violent criminals, the criminals with records of illegal gun use....who, upon release, get illegal guns and commit more gun crime.

If we could get the democrat party to stop doing that our gun crime would drop 95%.....

Over the last 27 years, we went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 18.6 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2018...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.



The anti-gun hypothesis and argument.....

More Guns = More Gun crime regardless of any other factors.

Actual Result:

In the U.S....as more Americans own and carry guns over the last 26 years, gun murder down 49%, gun crime down 75%, violent crime down 72%

The result: Exact opposite of theory of anti-gunners....

In Science when you have a theory, when that theory is tested....and the exact opposite result happens...that means your theory is wrong. That is science....not left wing wishful thinking.



Whatever the crime rate does......as more Americans owned more guns the crime rate did not go up....so again...






Maine tops ‘safest states’ rankings four years after removing major gun restriction

When Maine passed a “Constitutional Carry” law allowing Maine residents to carry a concealed firearm without any special permit in 2015, opponents of the law forecast a dangerous future for the state. They said the new law would hurt public safety and put Maine kids at risk.



One state representative who opposed the bill went so far as to say it would give Mainers a reason to be afraid every time they went out in public or to work.

Another state representative suggested the law would lead to violent criminals with recent arrests and convictions legally carrying handguns.


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Now four years later, Maine has been named the safest state in the nation according to US News and World Report’s public safety rankings, which measures the fifty states based on crime data.



Ranking as the top safest state for violent crime and fourth for property crime, Maine edges out another New England state, Vermont, for the top spot. Of note, Vermont also is a “Constitutional Carry” state. New Hampshire ranks third in the national rankings, giving New England all three of the top spots in the nation.

In 2018, Maine was edged out by Vermont in the same “safest states” ranking, but declared the best state overall in the broader “Crime and Corrections” category.

In 2017, using a different methodology, Maine was ranked second among the fifty states in the “Crime and Corrections” category and also second in the categories used to rank the “safest states.”

The U.S. News and World Report “Best States” rankings are built in partnership with McKinsey & Company, a firm that works closely with state leaders around the nation.

Maine has also ranked at the top of other state rankings. WalletHub.com recently ranked Maine second in “Personal and Residential Safety” among the fifty states, and third overall.
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Bolsonaro's Brazil, More Legal Guns, Homicide Rates Down Precipitously

In December, 2018, in an article published by the Wall Street Journal, this pronouncement was made. From the wsj.com:

Now, Brazil is set to embark on an experiment that will determine what happens when you loosen gun restrictions in a country battling an overpowering wave of gun crime.

Homicides in Brazil were at historic highs in 2017. They dropped a bit in 2018, as candidate Bolsonaro ran on reform of the gun laws to allow self defense, and reform of the law to get tough on crime. The homicide numbers dropped from 59,000 in 2017, to 51,000 in 2018. President Bolsonaro was elected in October of 2018.

After taking office on 1 January, 2019, President Bolsonaro issued his first decree reforming some of Brazil's extreme gun laws on 15 January, 2019. The drop in Brazil's homicide rate accelerated.
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Early in the Bolsonaro presidency, a Brazilian lawyer prediceted the homicide rate would drop. From ammoland.com:

César Mello, asked that I include information that early reports are showing a 25% drop in Brazil's homicide rate, in the first quarter of 2019. If this trend continues, 16,000 lives will have been saved in the first year of President Bolsonaro's time in office.

The rate reduction was not quite that high. Only 10,000 lives were saved. From wtop.com:

Brazil had 41,635 killings in 2019, down 19% from the prior year and the least number of homicides since 2007, when the so-called Violence Monitor index was launched. It is a partnership between the non-profit Brazilian Forum of Public Security, the University of Sao Paulo’s Center for the Study of Violence, and news website G1, which published the data Friday.

When translated to homicide rates, the rate dropped 17% in 2018, then 23% more in 2019. The population of Brazil in 2019 was 210 million. The rate of homicides per 100,000 was 19.83. That is less than 2/3 of the homicide rate in 2017, which was 30.8.

 

[justinacolmena]

New Zealand...where we are told they have strict gun control laws...

Know ye not of NSA's top-secret Five Eyes treaty with Canada, U.K., Australia, and New Zealand?

https://www.nsa.gov/news-features/declassified-documents/ukusa/​

Countries of the "Anglophone world," all of which have progressively strict gun control laws nowadays, enforced by INTERPOL.

The only question that remains is, How much of NSA's intelligence is stovepiped straight to INTERPOL?

 

[Tommy Tainant]

I love the utter craziness of this thread. The Kiwis really need to grow up and get a machine gun. Then their crazy death rates will come down to American levels.

 

[2aguy]

I love the utter craziness of this thread. The Kiwis really need to grow up and get a machine gun. Then their crazy death rates will come down to American levels.

You mean like in France? Where their Chechen drug gangs use fully automatic military rifles that are completely banned on the Continent and in France?

Meanwhile, here in the U.S. .....as more Americans own and carry guns legally, our gun murder rate went down 49%, our gun crime rate went down 75%......

You still haven't explained how that is possible with what you feel about guns and gun control.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

I love the utter craziness of this thread. The Kiwis really need to grow up and get a machine gun. Then their crazy death rates will come down to American levels.

You mean like in France? Where their Chechen drug gangs use fully automatic military rifles that are completely banned on the Continent and in France?

Meanwhile, here in the U.S. .....as more Americans own and carry guns legally, our gun murder rate went down 49%, our gun crime rate went down 75%......

You still haven't explained how that is possible with what you feel about guns and gun control.

Your death rates are still the shame of the civilised world whatever bogus figures you cook up.

 

[2aguy]

I love the utter craziness of this thread. The Kiwis really need to grow up and get a machine gun. Then their crazy death rates will come down to American levels.

You mean like in France? Where their Chechen drug gangs use fully automatic military rifles that are completely banned on the Continent and in France?

Meanwhile, here in the U.S. .....as more Americans own and carry guns legally, our gun murder rate went down 49%, our gun crime rate went down 75%......

You still haven't explained how that is possible with what you feel about guns and gun control.

Your death rates are still the shame of the civilised world whatever bogus figures you cook up.

And that has nothing to do with normal people who own and carry guns for self defense....and you are whistling past the graveyard if you think your countries aren't on the trajectory to have more violence........

Again, you did not explain how it is that as more Americans own and carry guns our gun crime rate went down 75%...our gun murder rate went down 49%....

You refuse to explain how that works with your theories on gun control.

 

[22lcidw]

So unless gun control can stop every single gun crime, we should not even try.

Its about trust. Lies galore for many decades. And then denials.

 

[JackOfNoTrades]

Police officers shot in New Zealand...where we are told they have strict gun control laws...

Police officer shot dead, another injured during 'routine' traffic stop in Auckland

www.9news.com.au

Hmm...well, let's see. 330 million people (US) vs 4.7 million (NZ). Honestly, why do you constantly draw these silly comparisons?
This article was written after the worst mass shooting NZ had seen in almost 30 years.
Gun-related homicides: How New Zealand compares to US states
In New Zealand, Mass Shootings Are Very Rare

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

So unless gun control can stop every single gun crime, we should not even try.

Correct.

Because you are taking away my ability to protect myself and my family from all threats.

So, fuck off.

Machine guns or Valhalla.

 

[2aguy]

Police officers shot in New Zealand...where we are told they have strict gun control laws...

Police officer shot dead, another injured during 'routine' traffic stop in Auckland

www.9news.com.au

Hmm...well, let's see. 330 million people (US) vs 4.7 million (NZ). Honestly, why do you constantly draw these silly comparisons?
This article was written after the worst mass shooting NZ had seen in almost 30 years.
Gun-related homicides: How New Zealand compares to US states
In New Zealand, Mass Shootings Are Very Rare

You completely ignore the differences in the populations, the differences in culture and the differences in history.......

You don't know what you are talking about.....and gun crime is up in New Zealand, after the ban....you twit.

 

[JackOfNoTrades]

Police officers shot in New Zealand...where we are told they have strict gun control laws...

Police officer shot dead, another injured during 'routine' traffic stop in Auckland

www.9news.com.au

Hmm...well, let's see. 330 million people (US) vs 4.7 million (NZ). Honestly, why do you constantly draw these silly comparisons?
This article was written after the worst mass shooting NZ had seen in almost 30 years.
Gun-related homicides: How New Zealand compares to US states
In New Zealand, Mass Shootings Are Very Rare

You completely ignore the differences in the populations, the differences in culture and the differences in history.......

You don't know what you are talking about.....and gun crime is up in New Zealand, after the ban....you twit.

And still, their % of gun crimes for their population is what compared to ours?
Yeah...it's infinitesimal compared to ours.

Again, gun zealots silly comparisons.

 

[2aguy]

Police officers shot in New Zealand...where we are told they have strict gun control laws...

Police officer shot dead, another injured during 'routine' traffic stop in Auckland

www.9news.com.au

Hmm...well, let's see. 330 million people (US) vs 4.7 million (NZ). Honestly, why do you constantly draw these silly comparisons?
This article was written after the worst mass shooting NZ had seen in almost 30 years.
Gun-related homicides: How New Zealand compares to US states
In New Zealand, Mass Shootings Are Very Rare

You completely ignore the differences in the populations, the differences in culture and the differences in history.......

You don't know what you are talking about.....and gun crime is up in New Zealand, after the ban....you twit.

And still, their % of gun crimes for their population is what compared to ours?
Yeah...it's infinitesimal compared to ours.

Again, gun zealots silly comparisons.

Yes....they have a homogenous, tiny population.......we have 320 million with vastly different problems.

Our gun crime does not come from normal people who own and carry guns...as the fact that our gun crime rate over the last 27 years has gone down 75%...our gun murder rate has gone down 49%...

You can't explain that.....you won't attempt to explain that...

You don't understand that 95% of our gun crime problem comes from the policies of the democrat party, in the cities they control. They release violent, repeat gun offenders over and over again, those are the criminals doing 95% of our gun crime and gun murder......not guns in the hands of normal people...

Again...how do you explain that as more Americans own and carry guns....over 18.2 million Americans now carry guns for self defense.....our gun crime rate dropped 75%....

Explain that.

Our gun murder rate dropped 49%.....

Explain that.........

You can't, not with your dumb ideas about gun control.