But Sweden has gun control...and their gun control laws don't work? But......how is this possible?

[Vegasgiants]

As I said like a dozen times already... gun violence and gun accidents are the cost of freedom and liberty. Freedom isn't free.

Can we hear the speech from braveheart now? Lol

 

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Can we hear the speech from braveheart now? Lol

No need. I just showed you all the speeches that the Framers made to their constituents when they were selling the constitution to them for their ratification. It's like you don't even understand history at all.

"If the representatives of the people betray their constituents, there is then no resource left but in the exertion of that original right of self-defense which is paramount to all positive forms of government, and which against the usurpations of the national rulers, may be exerted with infinitely better prospect of success than against those of the rulers of an individual state. In a single state, if the persons intrusted with supreme power become usurpers, the different parcels, subdivisions, or districts of which it consists, having no distinct government in each, can take no regular measures for defense. The citizens must rush tumultuously to arms, without concert, without system, without resource; except in their courage and despair." - Alexander Hamilton, Federalist No. 28

"If circumstances should at any time oblige the government to form an army of any magnitude that army can never be formidable to the liberties of the people while there is a large body of citizens, little, if at all, inferior to them in discipline and the use of arms, who stand ready to defend their own rights and those of their fellow-citizens. This appears to me the only substitute that can be devised for a standing army, and the best possible security against it, if it should exist." - Alexander Hamilton, Federalist No. 28


“A militia when properly formed are in fact the people themselves…and include, according to the past and general usuage of the states, all men capable of bearing arms… "To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of the people always possess arms, and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them." - Richard Henry Lee, Federal Farmer No. 18, January 25, 1788


"And that the said Constitution be never construed to authorize Congress to infringe the just liberty of the Press, or the rights of Conscience; or to prevent the people of the United States, WHO ARE PEACEABLE CITIZENS, from keeping their own arms; …" Samuel Adams quoted in the Philadelphia Independent Gazetteer, August 20, 1789, "Propositions submitted to the Convention of this State"

"I ask who are the militia? They consist now of the whole people, except a few public officers." - George Mason, Address to the Virginia Ratifying Convention, June 4, 1788

"Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed, as they are in almost every country in Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops." - Noah Webster, An Examination of the Leading Principles of the Federal Constitution, October 10, 1787

"The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. A well regulated militia, composed of the body of the people, trained to arms, is the best and most natural defense of a free country." - James Madison, I Annals of Congress 434, June 8, 1789

“A militia when properly formed are in fact the people themselves…and include, according to the past and general usuage of the states, all men capable of bearing arms… "To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of the people always possess arms, and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them." - Richard Henry Lee, Federal Farmer No. 18, January 25, 1788

 

[Vegasgiants]

No need. I just showed you all the speeches that the Framers made to their constituents when they were selling the constitution to them for their ratification. It's like you don't even understand history at all.

"If the representatives of the people betray their constituents, there is then no resource left but in the exertion of that original right of self-defense which is paramount to all positive forms of government, and which against the usurpations of the national rulers, may be exerted with infinitely better prospect of success than against those of the rulers of an individual state. In a single state, if the persons intrusted with supreme power become usurpers, the different parcels, subdivisions, or districts of which it consists, having no distinct government in each, can take no regular measures for defense. The citizens must rush tumultuously to arms, without concert, without system, without resource; except in their courage and despair." - Alexander Hamilton, Federalist No. 28

"If circumstances should at any time oblige the government to form an army of any magnitude that army can never be formidable to the liberties of the people while there is a large body of citizens, little, if at all, inferior to them in discipline and the use of arms, who stand ready to defend their own rights and those of their fellow-citizens. This appears to me the only substitute that can be devised for a standing army, and the best possible security against it, if it should exist." - Alexander Hamilton, Federalist No. 28


“A militia when properly formed are in fact the people themselves…and include, according to the past and general usuage of the states, all men capable of bearing arms… "To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of the people always possess arms, and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them." - Richard Henry Lee, Federal Farmer No. 18, January 25, 1788


"And that the said Constitution be never construed to authorize Congress to infringe the just liberty of the Press, or the rights of Conscience; or to prevent the people of the United States, WHO ARE PEACEABLE CITIZENS, from keeping their own arms; …" Samuel Adams quoted in the Philadelphia Independent Gazetteer, August 20, 1789, "Propositions submitted to the Convention of this State"

"I ask who are the militia? They consist now of the whole people, except a few public officers." - George Mason, Address to the Virginia Ratifying Convention, June 4, 1788

"Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed, as they are in almost every country in Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops." - Noah Webster, An Examination of the Leading Principles of the Federal Constitution, October 10, 1787

"The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. A well regulated militia, composed of the body of the people, trained to arms, is the best and most natural defense of a free country." - James Madison, I Annals of Congress 434, June 8, 1789

“A militia when properly formed are in fact the people themselves…and include, according to the past and general usuage of the states, all men capable of bearing arms… "To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of the people always possess arms, and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them." - Richard Henry Lee, Federal Farmer No. 18, January 25, 1788

So you believe we should not have ANY gun control.....right?

 

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So you believe we should not have ANY gun control.....right?

I believe that we should be allowed to own, posses and train with the technology of the day that any light infantry ought to use. Today that means semi-automatic pistols, rifles and shotguns with high capacity magazines.

 

[Vegasgiants]

I believe that we should be allowed to own, posses and train with the technology of the day that any light infantry ought to use. Today that means semi-automatic pistols, rifles and shotguns with high capacity magazines.

So you are a gun banner


Shall not be infringed!!!!!!


Murica

 

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So you are a gun banner


Shall not be infringed!!!!!!


Murica

Incorrect.

I believe that we should be allowed to own, posses and train with the technology of the day that any light infantry ought to use. Today that means semi-automatic pistols, rifles and shotguns with high capacity magazines.

 

[Vegasgiants]

Incorrect.

I believe that we should be allowed to own, posses and train with the technology of the day that any light infantry ought to use. Today that means semi-automatic pistols, rifles and shotguns with high capacity magazines.

You gun banners are all alike


It says arms shall not be infringed...not just light infantry arms


Murica

 

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You gun banners are all alike


It says arms shall not be infringed...not just light infantry arms


Murica

According to the 2nd Amendment we have the right to own, posses and train with the technology of the day that any light infantry ought to use. Today that means semi-automatic pistols, rifles and shotguns with high capacity magazines. Better?

 

[2aguy]

What are Sweden's gun control laws?

You mean besides having fully automatic military rifles in a large number of their homes?

You have to get past that before you talk about anything else..........

 

[2aguy]

According to the 2nd Amendment we have the right to own, posses and train with the technology of the day that any light infantry ought to use. Today that means semi-automatic pistols, rifles and shotguns with high capacity magazines. Better?

They aren't "high capacity," they are normal magazines.......

 

[2aguy]

So you believe we should not have ANY gun control.....right?

We have gun control....felons and the dangerously mentally ill can't have guns.......and if you use a gun for a crime, you are arrested....

We have all the gun control we need to stop gun crime...the problem is that once the cops arrest a criminal, the democrat party judges, prosecutors and politicians release them.......often the most violent gun offenders with multiple felonies for gun crimes.

 

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They aren't "high capacity," they are normal magazines.......

I don't see a problem with calling them high capacity magazines.

 

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You mean besides having fully automatic military rifles in a large number of their homes?

You have to get past that before you talk about anything else..........

Is that Sweden? Or Switzerland?

 

[2aguy]

I don't see a problem with calling them high capacity magazines.

Well.....it is a lie....they are not high capacity......the anti-gun fanatics use those words to scare uninformed people.....using them anywhere just helps them with their agenda....

 

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Well.....it is a lie....they are not high capacity......the anti-gun fanatics use those words to scare uninformed people.....using them anywhere just helps them with their agenda....

I use the phrase high capacity magazine to convey it's the minimum technology standard of the day that any light infantry ought to possess.

 

[2aguy]

Is that Sweden? Or Switzerland?

Switzerland......the criminals in Sweden are the ones using fully automatic military rifles and grenades to shoot at and blow up their enemies......

Crime gangs in Sweden: What's behind the rise in the use of explosives?

The frequent use of explosives is a relatively recent phenomenon, and criminologists told The Local that the blasts can be seen as part of an overall rise in violence and growing recklessness in these criminal networks.

Amir Rostami, a police superintendent turned sociologist with a focus on criminal gangs, told The Local that so-called 'street gangs' are showing an increased tendency towards violence, and that this violence was becoming more severe when it took place.

"If previously they maybe fired one shot or shot someone in the legs, today it's more about AK47s, using more bullets, hand grenades and explosions that we didn't see before. I'd say that's the biggest shift we see – they're more reckless, they don't seem to care about the consequences," Rostami said.

Fatal shootings linked to criminal gangs have increased from around four per year in the early 1990s to over 40 in 2018. And while the blasts that have taken place in Sweden have caused no fatalities so far this year, they could be seen as a sign that the gangs are unafraid of causing damage and potentially harming people.

Sweden has gone from having one of the lowest rates of gun violence in Europe to having one of the highest, a report said on Wednesday, describing what one researcher called a "social contagion" of killings.​

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The report said eight out of 10 shootings took place in a "criminal environment", with gang conflicts mentioned as one of the potential reasons for the trend. The drugs trade and low confidence towards the police in some parts of society were also cited as potential factors.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/social-contagion-sweden-sees-surge-deadly-shootings-2021-05-26/​

In the report on Tuesday, the Swedish Television, citing statistics from the Swedish Police Authority, revealed that by November, there had been as many shootings in 2020 as during the whole of 2019.
Between January 1 and December 15, there were 349 confirmed shootings in Sweden, with 111 people wounded and 44 dead as a result, Xinhua news agency quoted the report as saying.
The death toll is close to the highest number on record so far -- 45 gun-related fatalities in 2018.
Most of the shootings, or 146, occurred in the capital Stockholm, where 23 deaths and 48 injuries were reported.
According to the police, most incidents were related to organised crime and conflicts between gang members.
Criminologist Joakim Sturup told Swedish Television that a major reason behind the worrying statistics is that automatic weapons are becoming more commonly used by gang members.

https://www.daijiworld.com/news/newsDisplay.aspx?newsID=786371​

 

[2aguy]

I use the phrase high capacity magazine to convey it's the minimum technology of the day that any light infantry ought to possess.

And when you use that innaccurate term, you help gun grabbing fanatics make their case.

 

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And when you use that innaccurate term, you help gun grabbing fanatics make their case.

It's not an inaccurate term. High capacity infers a greater number.

 

[M14 Shooter]

It's not an inaccurate term. High capacity infers a greater number.

A number greater than standard.
What's the standard magazine size for an AR15?

 

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A number greater than standard.
What's the standard magazine size for an AR15?

30.

The denotation higher capacity refers to standard civilian magazine which is 5.