Fear Injection: Why Sweden has turned out to be the most russophobic country in Europe

[Litwin]

"Any comment"? Yes ..... why are those pictures not from Sweden?

cos your horde IS A SEMI - MUSLIM EMPIRE, Sweden is not. do we agree on this ?

Thread 'Chinese academic Deng Xize : "No more Mongol-Muscovy style empire: Thoughts on the war in Ukraine, ...such empires will no longer be tolerated."'

Sep 20, 2023

Chinese academic Deng Xize : "No more Mongol-Muscovy style empire: Thoughts on the war in Ukraine, The global reaction to the war in Ukraine in fact shows that such empires will no longer be tolerated."​

The Mongol-Muscovy style empire could be defined as a dominating, rapacious empire upheld by violence, especially unruly violence, and exhibiting three prominent characteristics.


First, it uses unruly violence as a regular means of resolving international disputes. While violence is common and sometimes necessary in political or social governance, rules...

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[Hyddan92]

I bet Finland was glad to get out from under their thumb.

Some where, among the local aristocracy at least, but it was mostly tied to Swedish incompetence in the last wars with Russia. Most were not keen on belonging to Russia though thanks to their shitty medieval laws and the fear of russification. The Russians gave them a quitye reasonable deal though, autonomy as a separate Archduchy that would keep their Swedish laws, religion etc without direct Russian involvement.

The Swedish loss of Finland proved to ironically be quite good for both sides as Sweden didn't have more wars with Russia and Finland didn't need to suffer as a theatre of war.

Eventually though the Ruskies tried to remove the autonomy and russify Finland with lead to a lot of resistance from the Finns, the first attempts were aborted after the Russian loss to Japan in 1905 that caused a lot of instability, after a few years they tried again but had to abort it again thanks to the outbreak of the Great war. When Russia eventually collapsed thanks to the loss in the war and the civil war during the revolution Finland broke free with very little regret or remorse. Good for them, saved them from a genocide or two.

 

[Hyddan92]

Assume Russia is evil.
(1) How perverse is it that Swedes are brave enough to support Ukrainians dying on the battlefield?
(2) Does it matter if the Russian invasion could have been prevented by a simple declaration by NATO and Ukraine that Ukraine would not join NATO?
(3) Does it matter that Ukraine cannot win this war?
(4) What does it actually mean to be pro-Ukraine?

1. Not at all, we usually support any country suffering foreign invasions, would have done the same for you. We will keep supporting Ukraine as long as they are willing to fight.
2. It would not have sufficed, ever since the ousting of Yanukovich and the Russian annexation of Crimea and Russia's Donbass war the path of continuing Ukrainian vassalage to Moscow was over. Russia can not accept an independent Ukraine, Ukraine would not have accepted a return to Muscowite dominance, hence anything Nato did or said would have very little effect.
3. They can and would have already had we just given them what they needed.
4. To support Ukraine's independence and oppose Russia's war of aggression.

 

[GLASNOST]

Assume Russia is evil.

If you insist.

(1) How perverse is it that Swedes are brave enough to support Ukrainians dying on the battlefield?

Am I right in assuming sarcasm in that question?

(2) Does it matter if the Russian invasion could have been prevented by a simple declaration by NATO and Ukraine that Ukraine would not join NATO?

Good quesion.

(3) Does it matter that Ukraine cannot win this war?

Another good question.

(4) What does it actually mean to be pro-Ukraine?

You're batting a thousand.

 

[Deadstick]

1. Not at all, we usually support any country suffering foreign invasions, would have done the same for you. We will keep supporting Ukraine as long as they are willing to fight.
2. It would not have sufficed, ever since the ousting of Yanukovich and the Russian annexation of Crimea and Russia's Donbass war the path of continuing Ukrainian vassalage to Moscow was over. Russia can not accept an independent Ukraine, Ukraine would not have accepted a return to Muscowite dominance, hence anything Nato did or said would have very little effect.
3. They can and would have already had we just given them what they needed.
4. To support Ukraine's independence and oppose Russia's war of aggression.

Crimea has always been Russian until Kruschev gave it away to Ukraine but Ukraine was part of the Soviet Union at the time, when Ukraine became independent they abused it and became a toxic Nationalist Regime with hostile intent against Russia allowing itself to be used as a spear by Nato and the US, when you say Yanukovych was ousted he was overthrown by a coup, he was the elected president but was removed by Foreign powers and violence, in 2014 that's why there was a civil war because some Ukrainian citizens mainly in the Donbass wouldn't accept it.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Ukraine was Ukraine until the 18th Century. Poland and parts of Rumania were Russian, and now they are not. Neither is Ukraine.

The fascist regime in Russia has gone as far as it can.

 

[Deadstick]

Ukraine was Ukraine until the 18th Century. Poland and parts of Rumania were Russian, and now they are not. Neither is Ukraine.

The fascist regime in Russia has gone as far as it can.

Fascist Regime? i thought they were communists, strange way to describe a Democracy that is the leader of the fee World.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Fascist Regime? i thought they were communists, strange way to describe a Democracy that is the leader of the fee World.

Putin, the arch criminal, turned the socialist regime on its head.

 

[Deadstick]

Putin, the arch criminal, turned the socialist regime on its head.

He became the leader of a Capitalist country with a stock exchange and a elected Parliament, it seems to trigger some people.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

He became the leader of a Capitalist country with a stock exchange and a elected Parliament, it seems to trigger some people.

It is a fascist mixed economy led by a dictator.

 

[Deadstick]

It is a fascist mixed economy led by a dictator.

 

[GLASNOST]

Crimea has always been Russian until Kruschev gave it away to Ukraine but Ukraine was part of the Soviet Union at the time, when Ukraine became independent they abused it and became a toxic Nationalist Regime with hostile intent against Russia allowing itself to be used as a spear by Nato and the US, when you say Yanukovych was ousted he was overthrown by a coup, he was the elected president but was removed by Foreign powers and violence, in 2014 that's why there was a civil war because some Ukrainian citizens mainly in the Donbass wouldn't accept it.

Concise, maybe too concise but you did well to try hitting all of the main points. The question remains ...... will they - do they - understand it? I have my doubts.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Yep, that's you in the mirror. Russia is the weak man in Europe as Russia is showing this week.

 

[Deadstick]

Concise, maybe too concise but you did well to try hitting all of the main points. The question remains ...... will they - do they - understand it? I have my doubts.

That's the problem many of them do understand it but will not admit responsibilty for the shit show they created.

 

[GLASNOST]

That's the problem many of them do understand it but will not admit responsibilty for the shit show they created.

I have to say .... you really are an optimist.

 

[Hyddan92]

Crimea has always been Russian until Kruschev gave it away to Ukraine but Ukraine was part of the Soviet Union at the time, when Ukraine became independent they abused it and became a toxic Nationalist Regime with hostile intent against Russia allowing itself to be used as a spear by Nato and the US, when you say Yanukovych was ousted he was overthrown by a coup, he was the elected president but was removed by Foreign powers and violence, in 2014 that's why there was a civil war because some Ukrainian citizens mainly in the Donbass wouldn't accept it.

"Always"? weird way to say 171 years.
Anyway then it was given to Ukraine by the USSR and Crimea chose to follow Ukraine out of the USSR in 1991 and the Russians did not complain then. They have no claim to it, it is that simple. Plus ofc is Crimea had to be returned to Russia simply beacuse Russia wants it back there's a lot of other land Russia has to give back to other former USSR countries as well who also got no say when it was given away.

Even if all of that is true, which it might be, might not, it's in no way a reason for Russia to invade and seize land, it just isn't. Countries have internal turmoil, especially when they are oppressive police states with impopular presidents. And he was legitimately removed by the parliament, even if his party members than left would have remained and voted against his removal he would still have been removed.

"Some Ukrainian citizens mainly in the Donbass would't accept it" and all of the Russian soldiers from across the border without insignia ofc, don't forget them, Putins little green men.

I don't object to that the US and other western countries could have been involved in internal Ukrainian business being at least supporting their side, I mean ofc they were, but Russia was definitely involved as well, they launched and threatened trade wars whenever Ukraine didn't do as they wanted, and the minute their puppet fled the country they invaded typical Russia-style with informal troops.

 

[Zebra]

I bet Finland was glad to get out from under their thumb.

east germany too

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Get out of Ukraine.

Stay out of the rest of western Europe.

 

[Litwin]

It is a fascist mixed economy led by a dictator.

+1, just google : Ivan Ilyin+putin

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