Burn! Alvin Bragg Schools Jim Jordan on Crime Stats! Let's talk about crime in Ohio cities compared to NYC, Jimmy

[theHawk]

Do you think the solution is to build ever more prisons to house ever more prisoners for ever longer periods?

Yes.

 

[Nostra]

Yes there is, however... It still doesn't look good for Ohio.

List of United States cities by crime rate - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

New York state has two cities, Buffalo and NYC.

3.39 murders per 100,000 for NYC and 15.61 for Buffalo.

Ohio has four cities.

23.4 for Cincinnati
27.77 for Cleveland
16.28 for Columbis
12.63 for Toledo

Clearly Ohio is higher.

Rape
NYC 55.43 per 100,000
Buffalo 27.56

Cincinnati 97.62 per 100,000
Cleveland 128.97
Columbus 105.37
Toledo figure isn't given.

Clearly Ohio is higher.

Essentially in most of the statistics, NYC is way down, Buffalo is like a lower level (still too high) Ohio city.

NYC is at 27.56 for robbery, Cleveland is at 699.88
NYC is at 345.52 for aggrevated assault, Cleveland is at 700.14

Which party runs each of those cities?

 

[Nostra]

Always hilarious to watch Welfare Ray (who is living off a fake disability claim) whine about the debt.

Here's why we are 32 Trillion in debt.

Because thanks to Reagan, the rich aren't paying their fair share.

Before Reagan, the National Debt was less than one Trillion, despite space programs and wars and interstate highway programs.



Uh, welfare Ray, you are one of those 7 million. Get off your ass.

I would be just fine with replacing welfare with workfare, to ensure that every able-bodied American has a renumerative job.

I don't think you guys would be too keen on it. The wealthy are trying to bring down inflation they caused by increasing unemployment.

The rich payed a higher share of the total tax burden AFTER the Reagan tax cuts, Dumbass.

 

[Nostra]

Yeah, except no proof anyone did that.

In fact, this has ALREADY been investigated.

Republican Inquiry Finds No Evidence of Wrongdoing by Biden (Published 2020)

The report delivered on Wednesday appeared to be little more than a rehashing of unproven allegations that echoed a Russian disinformation campaign.

www.nytimes.com

But an 87-page report summing up the findings, released jointly on Wednesday by the Senate Homeland Security and Finance Committees, contained no evidence that the elder Mr. Biden improperly manipulated American policy toward Ukraine or committed any other misdeed. In fact, investigators heard witness testimony that rebutted those charges.

Nobody subscribing to that shitrag, Moron.

 

[bodecea]

Hence why a number of stores in these Dem run cities are now closing. They’re tired of being robbed with nothing being done to improve the situation.

Boy....you'll swallow anything fed you by rightwing media, won't you?

 

[bodecea]

The rich payed a higher share of the total tax burden AFTER the Reagan tax cuts, Dumbass.

So you say. Where's your proof?

 

[bripat9643]

The actual lawsuit is still on the docket, halfwit.

Without the restraining order, what's the point of the lawsuit?

 

[bodecea]

It doesn't matter. The only part that bragg cared about was overruled.

"It doesn't matter." Yes it does.

 

[bodecea]

Which party runs each of those cities?

The better of the two parties.

 

[Nostra]

So you say. Where's your proof?

You really should try thinking for yourself at least once in your life. If you had you woulda done a quick search to avoid exposing what a moron lefttard lemming you are.

https://www.jec.senate.gov/public/_cache/files/9576a929-37b4-497c-9b06-4bf3481f9f0a/the-reagan-tax-cuts-lessons-for-tax-reform-april-1996.pdf

 

[bripat9643]

"It doesn't matter." Yes it does.

Why does it matter?

 

[Tom Paine 1949]

Having a Republican in charge would be a huge improvement in crime. Look at what Rudy did in NYC as Mayor.

The one fact about crime that those on the left want to ignore is a strong enough deterrent is the best way to fight crime. Solve all of it? Of course not, but you'll have less of it.

When Democrats get in charge, the first thing they want to do to repay Soros by being soft on crime. All the Wallgreens in San Francisco closed up. Why? Because if you shoplift less than $1,000, it's a misdemeanor and not a felony. It's not even worth the time for police to come out. In NYC, Fat Albert had felonies dropped to misdemeanors, even violent crimes. In Chicago, Laurie Lighthead stopped police from giving foot chases unless they called their supervisor first and got permission which of course by then, the suspect is three blocks away.

All these new regulations were designed to do one thing, promote more crime. And mind you, these places have some of the most restrictive gun laws in the country. The criminals still have guns, but the victims don't.

Even in my city, the black Mayor recently stopped our police from high speed chases outside of city limits. Now when criminals come here and shoot up a house over a bad drug deal, all they have to do is make it to our border and that's where the police car stops the chase. She wants to make sure her brothers don't get hurt and criminal brothers get away.

Republicans have the exact opposite view and approach to crime. So yes, Republican leadership makes a huge difference.

It wouldn’t be “magic” that makes the streets safer, just common sense things like locking violent thugs up for a long time instead of letting them go all the time. Or how about hiring more police instead of defunding the police. Wow you people are stupid.

I lived in NYC through the period of ghetto riots in the late 60s and 70s. Later I worked in a blue collar job that had me traveling all over the city at all hours — including midnite hours — on public transportation.

I worked there during the terrible violent crime upsurge in the late 80s and early 90s that gave rise to the “backlash” that elected Giuliani Mayor in 1994. I too am aware of the huge increase in the national incarceration rate back then — especially of black criminals and drugged-out petty criminals. There was indeed a dramatic fall in serious crime starting around then.

But you all have the popular impressionistic view of what happened, how and why.

First of all “law and order” in any city is crucial. But it was under Giuliani’s predecessor, the unlucky and besieged first black Democratic mayor (Jan. 1990-Dec. 1993) David Dinkins that — in a declining city economy — the actual number of cops was dramatically expanded from 25,000 to 32,000! Schools were also successfully opened in the evenings and youth were able to safely gather there for the first time in ages for sports and supervised activities. Crime in all categories began to fall significantly in 1993.

What were the important reasons that crime fell ever more dramatically in NYC — and NATIONALLY — in the following years?

First of all was the crack epidemic that hit the nation and especially NYC suddenly in 1985. It RADICALLY increased violent as well as property crimes of all types. By 1989 I could literally walk down my own neighborhood street in Hell’s Kitchen skating on empty crack vials underfoot with every step. The crack epidemic had long-run consequences for crime, contributing to the doubling of the murder rate of young Black males soon after the start of the epidemic. It literally burned itself out, taking a generation of youth (including young women and young MOTHERS for the first time) to their graves. Even 17 years after it first began, the murder rate was STILL almost 70% higher than before crack in NYC.

Another key factor, in my opinion, was NY’s legalization of abortion in 1970, and the passing of Roe vs. Wade nationally in 1973. The gradual expansion of this last-stop “birth control” measure among young minority women who otherwise had little real control over their lives had a profound effect. From drug addicted young mothers & prostitutes to ordinary working single or married black & Latino mothers, to all who sought escape from dependency and a different future, the availability of abortion kept the number of unwanted (especially unwanted poor) children down, and over time improved crime statistics dramatically. This was a national phenomenon often ignored or denied. By 1994 the decline of criminality among juveniles and young 20 year olds was obvious.

The elimination by murder (mostly in black & Latin neighborhoods) drug overdose and incarceration (crack was treated as worse than powder cocaine for sentencing purposes) TOGETHER wiped out a whole tragic generation … and incidentally made Rudolph Giuliani’s reputation as “the Nation’s Mayor.”

The many economic changes since those times — the new internet and the “financialized” economy, the rise of “big box” stores, the poor wages of our “service economy,” the decline in concern for public welfare and the rise of gated communities, international competition … all have led to an erratic pattern that has increased wealth differentials, social paranoia and fear & hatred of urban life. It is quite understandable that many traditional, rural & suburban Americans, or those directly effected by today’s urban crime increases, cannot understand any of this.

I fought — rather prominently — to loosen gun restrictions in NYC in the 1980s, when crime was much worse than it is today. I was lucky enough to have worked alongside responsible black working men in that whole period. I have little sympathy with “ghetto culture” and none for “gangster culture.” But I understand the cynicism of many African Americans and their fear of reactionary “white populism” and bad or corrupt policing. The ironic thing is both black & white working people actual share many of the same feelings toward “street crime” & “white collar crime” and political corruption in both parties.

 

[whitehall]

Bragg is the D.A. of NYC Why would he want to talk about Ohio?

 

[basquebromance]

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[Polishprince]

The Liberal Heck Hole of Columbus isn't even in Rep. Jordan's district

Not as it congressmen can cure that problem, its the job of DA's.

 

[whitehall]

Bragg isn't the sharpest knife in the drawer but he should know that you don't make an issue about where the opposing attorney is from or where the judge is from. You deal with the issue and try to make it right instead of offering excuses.

 

[Clipper]

Having a Republican in charge would be a huge improvement in crime. Look at what Rudy did in NYC as Mayor.

The one fact about crime that those on the left want to ignore is a strong enough deterrent is the best way to fight crime. Solve all of it? Of course not, but you'll have less of it.

When Democrats get in charge, the first thing they want to do to repay Soros by being soft on crime. All the Wallgreens in San Francisco closed up. Why? Because if you shoplift less than $1,000, it's a misdemeanor and not a felony. It's not even worth the time for police to come out. In NYC, Fat Albert had felonies dropped to misdemeanors, even violent crimes. In Chicago, Laurie Lighthead stopped police from giving foot chases unless they called their supervisor first and got permission which of course by then, the suspect is three blocks away.

All these new regulations were designed to do one thing, promote more crime. And mind you, these places have some of the most restrictive gun laws in the country. The criminals still have guns, but the victims don't.

Even in my city, the black Mayor recently stopped our police from high speed chases outside of city limits. Now when criminals come here and shoot up a house over a bad drug deal, all they have to do is make it to our border and that's where the police car stops the chase. She wants to make sure her brothers don't get hurt and criminal brothers get away.

Republicans have the exact opposite view and approach to crime. So yes, Republican leadership makes a huge difference.

You right wingers are pathetic. You didn't give a shit about N.Y.C. until your assbuddy Trump was indicted by Bragg.

Btw, are you saying that falsifying businrss records shouldn't be a crime that's prosecuted or only if your orange knuckle dragger does it?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

You right wingers are pathetic. You didn't give a shit about N.Y.C. until your assbuddy Trump was indicted by Bragg.

Btw, are you saying that falsifying businrss records shouldn't be a crime that's prosecuted or only if your orange knuckle dragger does it?

Fat Alvin's evidence of his stupid unproven falsification records is an ex-lawyer of Trump that repeatedly lied to Congress and the court and was even convicted of perjury. Experts in the field of criminal law say that they never heard of a case where a prosecutor was so abusing of his office that he would even try to make a case with such a flawed witness.

But that's okay. Like all the other times, have your fun with your "we got Trump now!" dream. It all comes back to bite you in the ass. You'll see that with the Biden impeachment and charges and lawsuits by Trump that will disbar Fat Alvin and make the city pay him millions.

 

[JoeB131]

It isn't thanks to Reagan. It's all from Democrat overspending.

The theory that the government doesn't receive enough revenue doesn't pass the laugh test.

Okay, here's the problem with that.

From 1980 to 1993, the National Debt increased from 900 Billion to 4.4 TRILLION.

So what caused that?

There was no new great social program instituted by Democrats in that time.

The primary drivers of that debt were

1) Reagan's Tax cuts
2) Reagan's bloated military spending
3) Bush's S&L Bailouts (that were only necessary because Reagan and Bush removed most of the regulator controls meant to stop that sort of thing.)

After 8 years of Clinton, the debt rose to 5.8 Trillion. Bad, but at least some efforts were made to get things under control. Clinton made the rich pay their fair share (or closer to it.) and slashed unnecessary military spending.

Okay, next up we got your boy Dubya. Started with a debt of 5.8 Trillion Ended with a debt of 11.9 Trillon. He more than double it again. Again, can't blame the Democrats, Bush had Republican congresses for six of those 8 years.

Obama- Started at 11.9 trillion. Ended at 20 Trillion. Bad, but hardly the doubling Bush did.

Ah, and then there's Trump. Stared with 20 Trillion, ended with 29 Trillion in four years.


Now, the reality is, we are going to need both a combination of tax increases and spending cuts to get our way out of this. It's going to be hard, but not impossible.

But first, we have to admit we have a problem. Supply side doesn't work.

 

[Clipper]

Fat Alvin's evidence of his stupid unproven falsification records is an ex-lawyer of Trump that repeatedly lied to Congress and the court and was even convicted of perjury. Experts in the field of criminal law say that they never heard of a case where a prosecutor was so abusing of his office that he would even try to make a case with such a flawed witness.

But that's okay. Like all the other times, have your fun with your "we got Trump now!" dream. It all comes back to bite you in the ass. You'll see that with the Biden impeachment and charges and lawsuits by Trump that will disbar Fat Alvin and make the city pay him millions.

Cohen is not the only witness Bragg has, dope. Bragg will be disbarred for prosecution of Trump? Your claim is not only pathetic, it's laughable.

Get a clue.