CDZ Burkini ban overturned

[OldLady]

I'm basing my observations on the French being snobbish to foreigners on many folks who have traveled to France and experienced that.

Lol and wow. And 'the Amercans' are ignorant obese loudmouths - because lots of people say so.

There's generally a kernel of truth in those platitudes. Even in yours.

 

[OldLady]

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Hasn't anyone figured out yet that the French are a bunch of snobs who feel no compunction in making outsiders "the other" feel like garbage beneath their shoes? The French have no more right to treat others that way than anyone else. This is part of what allowed the Paris attacks to happen; they refused to allow the Muslims living in their country to assimilate. Stick your nose in the air long enough and you're bound to stumble over a bump in the road at some point.

By the same rules of engagement applied so routinely by the illiberal leftists here towards anybody who objects to knuckle-dragging Islamic ways, does this mean you are a Francophobe?

As far as snobbery is concerned, I think the question shouldn't be why the French are snobs for rejecting primitive misogynistic attitudes arising from those who have no interested in adopting modern ways, but why you aren't.

Trying to justify mass murder based upon your imaginary sense that the French are snobs (like we haven't heard THAT one before) is beyond the pale. The attacks occurred because of the doctrine followed by the attackers.

The French are Snobs, the Germans are uptight, the Italians are lazy, the Poles are slobs and the Russians are drunks. Muslims, however, are beyond reproach!

Dogmaphobe, I'm basing my observations on the French being snobbish to foreigners on many folks who have traveled to France and experienced that.
Reminding everyone that the lack of assimiliation in France and Belgium over decades has led to terrorism flourishing in their ghettos is well known and reported by people who have no love of terrorism.
Taking my comments to mean that I support mass murder is a vast leap when I believed we were discussing bathing suits.

You weren't discussing bathing suits, so whatever "vast leap" you imagine was yours. It was you discussed terrorism as you blamed the French for the fact Islamists are engaging in it on their own soil.

This line of sophistry may be a popular platitude much repeated by leftists (the chickens coming home to roost meme) but is tantamount to blaming the victim of rape for the inability of the rapist to keep it in his pants.

You brought up terrorism. You blamed the victims of terrorism based upon an age-old canard that they are snobs. Since you cannot possibly blame the perps for the actions they unleash, you blame the victims. You also blame the lack of integration on the French even though throughout the world wherever Muslim populations increase within an area, there is no assimilation -- only the increasing demands to adhere to Islamic ways.

Of all the excuses I've heard for Islamic terrorism, snobbish natives takes the cake. Lol. The French are actually among the most welcoming and non-racist people in Europe, but they are tetchy if newcomers and visitors make no effort with the lingo, and they take their secularism very seriously indeed, and that partly manifests itself in them finding conspicuous displays of religious affiliation unpalatable. The fact is, immigrants in Europe in general have always tended to seek to live together, it's a natural desire when they share a language, a culture and then a religion on top of that. However, the policy of multiculturalism, pursued by gvmnts of both the Left and the Right, have positively hindered assimilation and integration, more so among many muslims communities throughout Europe, not just France, for whatever reason.

A lack of assimilation is a two way street, as you say. It is impossible if both cultures won't play along. My issue is with Dog accusing me of "siding" with terrorist activities and mass murder because it seems okay to me that women be able to wear the bathing suit of their choice.

 

[KokomoJojo]

the states its all about the bait and switch operation.

promises you the freedom to practice (exercise) your religion then when you do and do not bake a cake or marry into polyamory (more than one wife) they over lay their religion and force you to their worship the state god, in their church of commerce.

You don't mince your words.

everything has a lowest common denominator.

 

[KokomoJojo]

However, the policy of multiculturalism, pursued by gvmnts of both the Left and the Right, have positively hindered assimilation and integration, more so among many muslims communities throughout Europe, not just France, for whatever reason.

Its anti-cultural anti-traditional-religion in the name of the all sacred god of commercialism. (If it doesnt make money it has to go)

The usual MO, the UK and US stomp on their feet invade their lands disrupt their societies (oil) then demonize them when they scream ouch and try to protect themselves in the only way they can.


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[Dogmaphobe]

Of all the excuses I've heard for Islamic terrorism, snobbish natives takes the cake. Lol. .

Oh, come now, Tilly. You know that all the sex attacks in Germany wouldn't have occurred were it not for the German penchant for punctuality and as far as Belgium, do I REALLY need to say anything more than beer and chocolate?

We both know ahead of time, too, that when Italy finally receives their just desserts, it will most assuredly be because the trains don't always run on time.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

However, the policy of multiculturalism, pursued by gvmnts of both the Left and the Right, have positively hindered assimilation and integration, more so among many muslims communities throughout Europe, not just France, for whatever reason.

Its anti-cultural anti-traditional-religion in the name of the all sacred god of commercialism. (If it doesnt make money it has to go)

The usual MO, the UK and US stomp on their feet invade their lands disrupt their societies (oil) then demonize them when they scream ouch and try to protect themselves in the only way they can.


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Well, that is certainly one very clear voice in favor of mass murder.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

A lack of assimilation is a two way street, as you say. It is impossible if both cultures won't play along. My issue is with Dog accusing me of "siding" with terrorist activities and mass murder because it seems okay to me that women be able to wear the bathing suit of their choice.

Actually, I said you justified it as you certainly did when you blamed it on French snobbishness.

It is simply dishonest of you to try to claim I was responding to anything you said about Burkini bans, which I didn't.

It seems to me that such bald-faced lying about another poster runs against the spirit of clean debate.

 

[KokomoJojo]

However, the policy of multiculturalism, pursued by gvmnts of both the Left and the Right, have positively hindered assimilation and integration, more so among many muslims communities throughout Europe, not just France, for whatever reason.

Its anti-cultural anti-traditional-religion in the name of the all sacred god of commercialism. (If it doesnt make money it has to go)

The usual MO, the UK and US stomp on their feet invade their lands disrupt their societies (oil) then demonize them when they scream ouch and try to protect themselves in the only way they can.


.

Well, that is certainly one very clear voice in favor of mass murder.

Nah, I have yet to see anything match the UK and US 'good guys' when it comes to mass murder.



Now thats what I call 'voice', nearly 1/2 million in less than 24 hours.

Top That!

 

[Tilly]

I'm basing my observations on the French being snobbish to foreigners on many folks who have traveled to France and experienced that.

Lol and wow. And 'the Amercans' are ignorant obese loudmouths - because lots of people say so.

There's generally a kernel of truth in those platitudes. Even in yours.

But it is quite bizarre to use them as an excuse for slaughter and mayhem. Congrats. It's the first time I've seen someone suggest that alleged snobbery justifies terrorism.
Maybe you should inform the French anti-terror squad, they are not aware of this.

 

[Tilly]

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Hasn't anyone figured out yet that the French are a bunch of snobs who feel no compunction in making outsiders "the other" feel like garbage beneath their shoes? The French have no more right to treat others that way than anyone else. This is part of what allowed the Paris attacks to happen; they refused to allow the Muslims living in their country to assimilate. Stick your nose in the air long enough and you're bound to stumble over a bump in the road at some point.

By the same rules of engagement applied so routinely by the illiberal leftists here towards anybody who objects to knuckle-dragging Islamic ways, does this mean you are a Francophobe?

As far as snobbery is concerned, I think the question shouldn't be why the French are snobs for rejecting primitive misogynistic attitudes arising from those who have no interested in adopting modern ways, but why you aren't.

Trying to justify mass murder based upon your imaginary sense that the French are snobs (like we haven't heard THAT one before) is beyond the pale. The attacks occurred because of the doctrine followed by the attackers.

The French are Snobs, the Germans are uptight, the Italians are lazy, the Poles are slobs and the Russians are drunks. Muslims, however, are beyond reproach!

Dogmaphobe, I'm basing my observations on the French being snobbish to foreigners on many folks who have traveled to France and experienced that.
Reminding everyone that the lack of assimiliation in France and Belgium over decades has led to terrorism flourishing in their ghettos is well known and reported by people who have no love of terrorism.
Taking my comments to mean that I support mass murder is a vast leap when I believed we were discussing bathing suits.

You weren't discussing bathing suits, so whatever "vast leap" you imagine was yours. It was you discussed terrorism as you blamed the French for the fact Islamists are engaging in it on their own soil.

This line of sophistry may be a popular platitude much repeated by leftists (the chickens coming home to roost meme) but is tantamount to blaming the victim of rape for the inability of the rapist to keep it in his pants.

You brought up terrorism. You blamed the victims of terrorism based upon an age-old canard that they are snobs. Since you cannot possibly blame the perps for the actions they unleash, you blame the victims. You also blame the lack of integration on the French even though throughout the world wherever Muslim populations increase within an area, there is no assimilation -- only the increasing demands to adhere to Islamic ways.

Of all the excuses I've heard for Islamic terrorism, snobbish natives takes the cake. Lol. The French are actually among the most welcoming and non-racist people in Europe, but they are tetchy if newcomers and visitors make no effort with the lingo, and they take their secularism very seriously indeed, and that partly manifests itself in them finding conspicuous displays of religious affiliation unpalatable. The fact is, immigrants in Europe in general have always tended to seek to live together, it's a natural desire when they share a language, a culture and then a religion on top of that. However, the policy of multiculturalism, pursued by gvmnts of both the Left and the Right, have positively hindered assimilation and integration, more so among many muslims communities throughout Europe, not just France, for whatever reason.

A lack of assimilation is a two way street, as you say. It is impossible if both cultures won't play along. My issue is with Dog accusing me of "siding" with terrorist activities and mass murder because it seems okay to me that women be able to wear the bathing suit of their choice.

Well, Your issue with Dogmaphobe seems to be a product of your imagination. And you did blame the horrors that France has experienced over the last few years on the French people themselves - on them being snobby - so if that isn't siding with terrorism - I don't know what is. I have French family and I do not appreciate this display of bigotry. There is no excuse for blowing people into little pieces, no matter how snobby they may or may not be.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

However, the policy of multiculturalism, pursued by gvmnts of both the Left and the Right, have positively hindered assimilation and integration, more so among many muslims communities throughout Europe, not just France, for whatever reason.

Its anti-cultural anti-traditional-religion in the name of the all sacred god of commercialism. (If it doesnt make money it has to go)

The usual MO, the UK and US stomp on their feet invade their lands disrupt their societies (oil) then demonize them when they scream ouch and try to protect themselves in the only way they can.


.

Well, that is certainly one very clear voice in favor of mass murder.

Nah, I have yet to see anything match the UK and US 'good guys' when it comes to mass murder.



Now thats what I call 'voice', nearly 1/2 million in less than 24 hours.

Top That!

That is completely illogical and has nothing to do with your own support for mass murder.

Terrorists kill innocent people knowing they are innocent and because they are innocent. They are not "protecting" themselves, even if you have been deluded into thinking so. They are indulging in cold-blooded murder.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

By the same rules of engagement applied so routinely by the illiberal leftists here towards anybody who objects to knuckle-dragging Islamic ways, does this mean you are a Francophobe?

As far as snobbery is concerned, I think the question shouldn't be why the French are snobs for rejecting primitive misogynistic attitudes arising from those who have no interested in adopting modern ways, but why you aren't.

Trying to justify mass murder based upon your imaginary sense that the French are snobs (like we haven't heard THAT one before) is beyond the pale. The attacks occurred because of the doctrine followed by the attackers.

The French are Snobs, the Germans are uptight, the Italians are lazy, the Poles are slobs and the Russians are drunks. Muslims, however, are beyond reproach!

Dogmaphobe, I'm basing my observations on the French being snobbish to foreigners on many folks who have traveled to France and experienced that.
Reminding everyone that the lack of assimiliation in France and Belgium over decades has led to terrorism flourishing in their ghettos is well known and reported by people who have no love of terrorism.
Taking my comments to mean that I support mass murder is a vast leap when I believed we were discussing bathing suits.

You weren't discussing bathing suits, so whatever "vast leap" you imagine was yours. It was you discussed terrorism as you blamed the French for the fact Islamists are engaging in it on their own soil.

This line of sophistry may be a popular platitude much repeated by leftists (the chickens coming home to roost meme) but is tantamount to blaming the victim of rape for the inability of the rapist to keep it in his pants.

You brought up terrorism. You blamed the victims of terrorism based upon an age-old canard that they are snobs. Since you cannot possibly blame the perps for the actions they unleash, you blame the victims. You also blame the lack of integration on the French even though throughout the world wherever Muslim populations increase within an area, there is no assimilation -- only the increasing demands to adhere to Islamic ways.

Of all the excuses I've heard for Islamic terrorism, snobbish natives takes the cake. Lol. The French are actually among the most welcoming and non-racist people in Europe, but they are tetchy if newcomers and visitors make no effort with the lingo, and they take their secularism very seriously indeed, and that partly manifests itself in them finding conspicuous displays of religious affiliation unpalatable. The fact is, immigrants in Europe in general have always tended to seek to live together, it's a natural desire when they share a language, a culture and then a religion on top of that. However, the policy of multiculturalism, pursued by gvmnts of both the Left and the Right, have positively hindered assimilation and integration, more so among many muslims communities throughout Europe, not just France, for whatever reason.

A lack of assimilation is a two way street, as you say. It is impossible if both cultures won't play along. My issue is with Dog accusing me of "siding" with terrorist activities and mass murder because it seems okay to me that women be able to wear the bathing suit of their choice.

Well, Your issue with Dogmaphobe seems to be a product of your imagination. And you did blame the horrors that France has experienced over the last few years on the French people themselves - on them being snobby - so if that isn't siding with terrorism - I don't know what is. I have French family and I do not appreciate this display of bigotry. There is no excuse for blowing people into little pieces, no matter how snobby they may or may not be.

I often wonder why so many people are unaware of the source of the various themes they regurgitate. After 911, Bin Laden wrote his famous letters to America which contained the usual laundry list of grievances, and much of this, in turn, recreated many of the themes from King Abdullah's writings of the 1940s. Leftists like Juan Cole, Noam Chomsky and Norn Finkelstein and countless others then simply repackaged all the same themes, dressed them up with fancy new florid langue and sold the ideas as their own.

Fast forward another 15 years from 911 and the left has embraced all these themes so thoroughly that the mere act of questioning them is now a heresy. OF COURSE all of Bin Laden's views are the correct views, and OF COURSE no politically correct leftist would dare challenge them, and OF COURSE Islamic terrorism is just the chickens coming home to roost just like Bin Laden said. We have arrived at the point where anybody who calls bullshit on that one and actually has the ability to consider the ideology that drives the terrorism is accused of Islamophobia, called a right wing nut job, accused of bigotry or ridiculed in other ways -- and all by the very people who don't have the foggiest damn clue where the thoughts in their head even came from.

 

[KokomoJojo]

However, the policy of multiculturalism, pursued by gvmnts of both the Left and the Right, have positively hindered assimilation and integration, more so among many muslims communities throughout Europe, not just France, for whatever reason.

Its anti-cultural anti-traditional-religion in the name of the all sacred god of commercialism. (If it doesnt make money it has to go)

The usual MO, the UK and US stomp on their feet invade their lands disrupt their societies (oil) then demonize them when they scream ouch and try to protect themselves in the only way they can.


.

Well, that is certainly one very clear voice in favor of mass murder.

Nah, I have yet to see anything match the UK and US 'good guys' when it comes to mass murder.



Now thats what I call 'voice', nearly 1/2 million in less than 24 hours.

Top That!

That is completely illogical and has nothing to do with your own support for mass murder.

Terrorists kill innocent people knowing they are innocent and because they are innocent. They are not "protecting" themselves, even if you have been deluded into thinking so. They are indulging in cold-blooded murder.

yep thats what they did at dresden and several other nonmilitary civilian german cities. that video has statements from people who were there that testify to the mass murder of 1/2 million innocent people and the devastation and total destruction of ancient towns cathederals and art and museums, the US and the UK psychopaths burned them all alive in a holocaust of unthinkable proportions only to discover that the claims made against the germans in reality were perpetrated by the US and UK.

Have another shot of koolaid

 

[Dogmaphobe]

However, the policy of multiculturalism, pursued by gvmnts of both the Left and the Right, have positively hindered assimilation and integration, more so among many muslims communities throughout Europe, not just France, for whatever reason.

Its anti-cultural anti-traditional-religion in the name of the all sacred god of commercialism. (If it doesnt make money it has to go)

The usual MO, the UK and US stomp on their feet invade their lands disrupt their societies (oil) then demonize them when they scream ouch and try to protect themselves in the only way they can.


.

Well, that is certainly one very clear voice in favor of mass murder.

Nah, I have yet to see anything match the UK and US 'good guys' when it comes to mass murder.



Now thats what I call 'voice', nearly 1/2 million in less than 24 hours.

Top That!

That is completely illogical and has nothing to do with your own support for mass murder.

Terrorists kill innocent people knowing they are innocent and because they are innocent. They are not "protecting" themselves, even if you have been deluded into thinking so. They are indulging in cold-blooded murder.

yep thats what they did at dresden and several other nonmilitary civilian german cities. that video has statements from people who were there that testify to the mass murder of 1/2 million innocent people and the devastation and total destruction of ancient towns cathederals and art and museums, the US and the UK psychopaths burned them all alive in a holocaust of unthinkable proportions only to discover that the claims made against the germans in reality were perpetrated by the US and UK.

Have another shot of koolaid

So THAT'S why you support Islamic terrorism like you do -- because of what happened in Dresden over 70 years ago.

What's next -- supporting Islamic rape gangs because of the war of 1812?

 

[GLASNOST]

..... it is quite bizarre to use them as an excuse for slaughter and mayhem. Congrats. It's the first time I've seen someone suggest that alleged snobbery justifies terrorism.
Maybe you should inform the French anti-terror squad, they are not aware of this.

Yes, I saw that rubbish about 'snobbism' and worse >>>>> 'refusing to allow the Muslims to assimilate'! OMG!

I've lived in France myself. The French (very similar to Americans) enjoy ridiculing people. In other words, both the French and the Americans love to see someone fail at whatever he/she is trying to do. Look at all of the 'American home video' TV programs. What do you see? People failing and getting hurt. Is that what people find funny? And is that snobbism? I don't know. But it isn't really that they feel better than everyone else. It's more like cherishing the fact that there are those at least as unsuccessful as themselves.

And about 'refusing to allow the Muslims to assimilate' ... well! That idea was taken from between the checks of someone's buttocks. Multiculturalism is a very bad idea, but I wouldn't describe it as 'refusing to allow the immigrants to assimilate' !

If you called it allowing immigrants to resist assimilation and by so doing inadvertently encouraging immigrants not to assimilate that would be closer to the truth.

 

[GLASNOST]

So THAT'S why you support Islamic terrorism like you do -- because of what happened in Dresden over 70 years ago.

If you say. 'Terrorism is bad' everyone (I hope) would agree with you. But when you say it's those dirty, nasty, primitive, Muslims who terrorize innocent people ....... then you are going to a face-full of facts. The American illegal invasion of Irak for example. An estimated 1 million innocent men, women and children were raped, tortured and murdered by the US and UK. So keep your sights on the problem the world shares and you won't have to defend the actions of the guilty any more.

 

[KokomoJojo]

Its anti-cultural anti-traditional-religion in the name of the all sacred god of commercialism. (If it doesnt make money it has to go)

The usual MO, the UK and US stomp on their feet invade their lands disrupt their societies (oil) then demonize them when they scream ouch and try to protect themselves in the only way they can.


.

Well, that is certainly one very clear voice in favor of mass murder.

Nah, I have yet to see anything match the UK and US 'good guys' when it comes to mass murder.



Now thats what I call 'voice', nearly 1/2 million in less than 24 hours.

Top That!

That is completely illogical and has nothing to do with your own support for mass murder.

Terrorists kill innocent people knowing they are innocent and because they are innocent. They are not "protecting" themselves, even if you have been deluded into thinking so. They are indulging in cold-blooded murder.

yep thats what they did at dresden and several other nonmilitary civilian german cities. that video has statements from people who were there that testify to the mass murder of 1/2 million innocent people and the devastation and total destruction of ancient towns cathederals and art and museums, the US and the UK psychopaths burned them all alive in a holocaust of unthinkable proportions only to discover that the claims made against the germans in reality were perpetrated by the US and UK.

Have another shot of koolaid

So THAT'S why you support Islamic terrorism like you do -- because of what happened in Dresden over 70 years ago.

What's next -- supporting Islamic rape gangs because of the war of 1812?

the founders of the US were terrorists.

you support religious profiling, oppression, imperialist corporate hegemony, and the genocide of nearly 2 million muslims to steal their oil.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

the founders of the US were terrorists.

you support religious profiling, oppression, imperialist corporate hegemony, and the genocide of nearly 2 million muslims to steal their oil.

Goodness, that's the first I have ever heard of it.

Have you ever considered reality as a viable alternative to whatever wild fantasies you are indulging?

 

[KokomoJojo]

the founders of the US were terrorists.

you support religious profiling, oppression, imperialist corporate hegemony, and the genocide of nearly 2 million muslims to steal their oil.

Goodness, that's the first I have ever heard of it.

Have you ever considered reality as a viable alternative to whatever wild fantasies you are indulging?

Have you ever considered venturing outside your apartment or cracking a history book?

Just because that is the first you ever heard of it does not make any less true.

 

[alpine]

Should women be forced to wear bikini's at a beach?

In free societies, we have choices of what to wear. We have cultural guidelines on MINIMAL standards (cover up the naughty bits) but we've never had cultural guidelines mandating maximum standards (ie you are not allowed to cover your legs and arms). We have some standards that come into play with the requirements of certain professions or public safety, but other than that we are free to choose.

Why, suddenly, is that freedom of choice being removed from certain classes of people?

One group calls it "oppression of women". Yet, isn't removing choice "oppression"? People who bring this up think there is never any choice when it comes to Muslims. They don't make the same argument for other religions where observent women are required to cover their heads and wear long sleeved clothing that covers their legs out of respect for their religious views on modesty.

The French tried to ban "burkinis" - but why? Should a woman be forced to wear a body baring bathing suit against her will any more then she should be forced to don a burka?

Banning burkas is more understandable - public safety comes into it. But burkinis?

The reason is very simple; because people are disgusted with islamism already...

How rational they claim to be, human beings are irrational creatures at the end of the day.
Nobody should expect French to go through a long reasoning process before reacting to certain stimuli put out there by the islamist ideology.

This is just the beginning...

Court might have overturned this ban, based on the laws...
But remember;
people have the power to make new laws, or change current laws...

This is going to get uglier in the near future...

Nobody should expect French to go through a long reasoning process before reacting to certain stimuli
Of course we should expect it, as we expect it of ourselves before instituting laws.
Human beings have the capacity to be rational and we'd best use it, else your dream of living in a primitive primate community will come true.

Well, unfortunately, people of France are not on this planet to live up to our expectations.
They are human beings who experience this life with their emotions and perceptions.
Seeing their fellow innocent people being massacred in very disturbing ways certainly doesnt help in this situation.

I am not dreaming to be living in a primitive primate community,
I certainly do enjoy the advanced one...