BULLET to the HEAD

[RoadVirus]

What's the newest movie to come out of hollywood?

Bullet to the Head (2012) - IMDb

And people wonder why these nut case kids are out gunning people down?

It's not a gun control problem, it's a what is being CONSTANTLY pumped into their HEADS from HOLLYWOOD problem.

And that's not even including all the ultra violent video games where kids can KILL, STEAL and RAPE in HIGH DEFINITION DETAIL!

THIS is the new LIBERAL America.

And, whose job is it to get guns placed in movies?

NRA.

Really? The NRA makes sure guns are in movies?

Do you have proof of this or are you just making shit up? The last time i looked, it was the writers, the producers, the Director and the Prop department guys who put guns in movies.

 

[eflatminor]

What's the newest movie to come out of hollywood?

Bullet to the Head (2012) - IMDb

And people wonder why these nut case kids are out gunning people down?

It's not a gun control problem, it's a what is being CONSTANTLY pumped into their HEADS from HOLLYWOOD problem.

And that's not even including all the ultra violent video games where kids can KILL, STEAL and RAPE in HIGH DEFINITION DETAIL!

THIS is the new LIBERAL America.

And, whose job is it to get guns placed in movies?

NRA.

Sure it is. As we all know, Hollywood is bought and paid for by the NRA...

Yep. For the thousandth time, NRA is a cartel of gun manufacturers.

Nonsense.

 

[Decus]

Take a look at the number of injuries and deaths from people trying to imitate what they saw on Jackass (TV series and movies). How many disturbed or stupid people do you need to create a tragedy? Answer - 1. Do movies influence sick or weak-minded people - absolutely! Can we prevent it - absolutely not.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

So, you really believe that the movie producers decide which cars, which cigarettes, which signs appear in big scenes?

And,you believe that the cartel whose job it is to sell the products of gun manufacturers doesn't work to sell the products of gun manufacturers.

This has been in the news a lot lately. How is it that the gun nutters don't know this? Just like NOT ONE OF YOU knew that illegals, terrorists, criminals, mentally ill can buy any weapon they want. Every one of you called me a liar until someone posted a link.

You need to turn off fux and dredge and actually read, look at, listen to the news. Or, find a link.

Me? I'm gonna do what the mods and rw's do when asked for a link...

Not a damn thing.

 

[Bfgrn]

What's the newest movie to come out of hollywood?

Bullet to the Head (2012) - IMDb

And people wonder why these nut case kids are out gunning people down?

It's not a gun control problem, it's a what is being CONSTANTLY pumped into their HEADS from HOLLYWOOD problem.

And that's not even including all the ultra violent video games where kids can KILL, STEAL and RAPE in HIGH DEFINITION DETAIL!

THIS is the new LIBERAL America.

And, whose job is it to get guns placed in movies?

NRA.

Sure it is. As we all know, Hollywood is bought and paid for by the NRA...

Yep. For the thousandth time, NRA is a cartel of gun manufacturers.

Nonsense.

The NRA may not have influence on movie makers, but the cartel accusation is not 'nonsense'

The N.R.A. Protection Racket
By RICHARD W. PAINTER


The most blatant protection racket is orchestrated by the National Rifle Association, which is ruthless against candidates who are tempted to stray from its view that all gun regulations are pure evil. Debra Maggart, a Republican leader in the Tennessee House of Representatives, was one of its most recent victims. The N.R.A. spent around $100,000 to defeat her in the primary, because she would not support a bill that would have allowed people to keep guns locked in their cars on private property without the property owner’s consent.

The message to Republicans is clear: “We will help you get elected and protect your seat from Democrats. We will spend millions on ads that make your opponent look worse than the average holdup man robbing a liquor store. In return, we expect you to oppose any laws that regulate guns. These include laws requiring handgun registration, meaningful background checks on purchasers, limiting the right to carry concealed weapons, limiting access to semiautomatic weapons or anything else that would diminish the firepower available to anybody who wants it. And if you don’t comply, we will load our weapons and direct everything in our arsenal at you in the next Republican primary.”

NYTimes

Richard W. Painter, a professor of law at the University of Minnesota, was the chief White House ethics lawyer for President George W. Bush from 2005 to 2007.

 

[eflatminor]

And, whose job is it to get guns placed in movies?

NRA.

Sure it is. As we all know, Hollywood is bought and paid for by the NRA...

Yep. For the thousandth time, NRA is a cartel of gun manufacturers.

Nonsense.

The NRA may not have influence on movie makers, but the cartel accusation is not 'nonsense'

The N.R.A. Protection Racket
By RICHARD W. PAINTER


The most blatant protection racket is orchestrated by the National Rifle Association, which is ruthless against candidates who are tempted to stray from its view that all gun regulations are pure evil. All right, how about 99%Debra Maggart, a Republican leader in the Tennessee House of Representatives, was one of its most recent victims. The N.R.A. spent around $100,000 to defeat her in the primary, because she would not support a bill that would have allowed people to keep guns locked in their cars on private property without the property owner’s consent. Good. What's in my vehicle is my business

The message to Republicans is clear: “We will help you get elected and protect your seat from Democrats. We will spend millions on ads that make your opponent look worse than the average holdup man robbing a liquor store. Both sides do that In return, we expect you to oppose any laws that regulate guns. Again, good These include laws requiring handgun registration, meaningful background checks on purchasers, limiting the right to carry concealed weapons, limiting access to semiautomatic weapons There is no logical reason to support such 'feel good' regulations. They only serve to put a good guy at a disadvantage against armed criminalsor anything else that would diminish the firepower available to anybody who wants it. And if you don’t comply, we will load our weapons and direct everything in our arsenal at you in the next Republican primary.”

NYTimes

Richard W. Painter, a professor of law at the University of Minnesota, was the chief White House ethics lawyer for President George W. Bush from 2005 to 2007.

Okay, so tell me exactly how that little write up there proves the NRA is a...how did you put it "cartel"?

 

[Bfgrn]

Sure it is. As we all know, Hollywood is bought and paid for by the NRA...



Nonsense.

The NRA may not have influence on movie makers, but the cartel accusation is not 'nonsense'

The N.R.A. Protection Racket
By RICHARD W. PAINTER


The most blatant protection racket is orchestrated by the National Rifle Association, which is ruthless against candidates who are tempted to stray from its view that all gun regulations are pure evil. All right, how about 99%Debra Maggart, a Republican leader in the Tennessee House of Representatives, was one of its most recent victims. The N.R.A. spent around $100,000 to defeat her in the primary, because she would not support a bill that would have allowed people to keep guns locked in their cars on private property without the property owner’s consent. Good. What's in my vehicle is my business

The message to Republicans is clear: “We will help you get elected and protect your seat from Democrats. We will spend millions on ads that make your opponent look worse than the average holdup man robbing a liquor store. Both sides do that In return, we expect you to oppose any laws that regulate guns. Again, good These include laws requiring handgun registration, meaningful background checks on purchasers, limiting the right to carry concealed weapons, limiting access to semiautomatic weapons There is no logical reason to support such 'feel good' regulations. They only serve to put a good guy at a disadvantage against armed criminalsor anything else that would diminish the firepower available to anybody who wants it. And if you don’t comply, we will load our weapons and direct everything in our arsenal at you in the next Republican primary.”

NYTimes

Richard W. Painter, a professor of law at the University of Minnesota, was the chief White House ethics lawyer for President George W. Bush from 2005 to 2007.

Okay, so tell me exactly how that little write up there proves the NRA is a...how did you put it "cartel"?

What you bring onto my property is MY business. You need my permission.

How does one explain morals and ethics to someone who has none?

You and the NRA have crossed the line of supporting guns in the hands of 'law abiding' citizens to supporting guns in the hands of ANYONE.

That makes you an enemy of the state, a danger to society.

Throughout its 142-year history, the National Rifle Association has portrayed itself as an advocate for the individual gun owner’s Second Amendment rights. In turn, the NRA relied on those gun owners, especially its 4 million or so members, to pressure lawmakers into carrying out its anti-gun control agenda.

In the last two decades, however, the deep-pocketed NRA has increasingly relied on the support of another constituency: the $12-billion-a-year gun industry, made up of manufacturers and sellers of firearms, ammunition and related wares. That alliance was sealed in 2005, when Congress, after heavy NRA lobbying, approved a measure that gave gunmakers and gun distributors broad, and unprecedented, immunity from a wave of liability lawsuits related to gun violence in America’s cities.

It was a turning point for both the NRA and the industry, both of which recognized the mutual benefits of a partnership. That same year, the NRA also launched a lucrative new fundraising drive to secure “corporate partners” that’s raked in millions from the gun industry to boost its operations.

 

[eflatminor]

The NRA may not have influence on movie makers, but the cartel accusation is not 'nonsense'

The N.R.A. Protection Racket
By RICHARD W. PAINTER


The most blatant protection racket is orchestrated by the National Rifle Association, which is ruthless against candidates who are tempted to stray from its view that all gun regulations are pure evil. All right, how about 99%Debra Maggart, a Republican leader in the Tennessee House of Representatives, was one of its most recent victims. The N.R.A. spent around $100,000 to defeat her in the primary, because she would not support a bill that would have allowed people to keep guns locked in their cars on private property without the property owner’s consent. Good. What's in my vehicle is my business

The message to Republicans is clear: “We will help you get elected and protect your seat from Democrats. We will spend millions on ads that make your opponent look worse than the average holdup man robbing a liquor store. Both sides do that In return, we expect you to oppose any laws that regulate guns. Again, good These include laws requiring handgun registration, meaningful background checks on purchasers, limiting the right to carry concealed weapons, limiting access to semiautomatic weapons There is no logical reason to support such 'feel good' regulations. They only serve to put a good guy at a disadvantage against armed criminalsor anything else that would diminish the firepower available to anybody who wants it. And if you don’t comply, we will load our weapons and direct everything in our arsenal at you in the next Republican primary.”

NYTimes

Richard W. Painter, a professor of law at the University of Minnesota, was the chief White House ethics lawyer for President George W. Bush from 2005 to 2007.

Okay, so tell me exactly how that little write up there proves the NRA is a...how did you put it "cartel"?

What you bring onto my property is MY business. You need my permission. Not according to laws in several states

How does one explain morals and ethics to someone who has none?How is it 'moral' to make a 120lb woman fistfight a 250lb rapist???

You and the NRA have crossed the line of supporting guns in the hands of 'law abiding' citizens to supporting guns in the hands of ANYONE. Bullshit. All NRA members support the laws that forbid felons from possessing a firearm, though that does stop them from obtaining a firearm. Either way, you're wrong, we do not support putting a gun into the hands of ANYONE

That makes you an enemy of the state, a danger to society. I could say the same thing of anyone that seeks to deny our inalienable rights

Throughout its 142-year history, the National Rifle Association has portrayed itself as an advocate for the individual gun owner’s Second Amendment rights. In turn, the NRA relied on those gun owners, especially its 4 million or so members, to pressure lawmakers into carrying out its anti-gun control agenda.

In the last two decades, however, the deep-pocketed NRA has increasingly relied on the support of another constituency: the $12-billion-a-year gun industry, made up of manufacturers and sellers of firearms, ammunition and related wares. That alliance was sealed in 2005, when Congress, after heavy NRA lobbying, approved a measure that gave gunmakers and gun distributors broad, and unprecedented, immunity from a wave of liability lawsuits related to gun violence in America’s cities. Excellent! Manufacturers are not responsible for what PEOPLE DO with their product. If the product is liable, there's already insurance in place for that.

It was a turning point for both the NRA and the industry, both of which recognized the mutual benefits of a partnership. That same year, the NRA also launched a lucrative new fundraising drive to secure “corporate partners” that’s raked in millions from the gun industry to boost its operations. Again, good. We need all the help we can to defend against those that would seek to put good people at a disadvantage when facing armed criminals

You still haven't shown how the NRA is a 'cartel'. It's clear you don't like the NRA and that you have a problem with the Bill or Rights, but cartel? Nope.

 

[whitehall]

Years ago Hollywood violence was confined to the imagination. Later with graphic computer animation the sky was the limit with splattering brains and guts. High tech video games were two paddles hitting an electronic ball. Like the mood altering drugs the schools like to prescribe the slasher movies and graphic video games and pornography affects the crazies in different ways. Most people outgrow it but monsters like Ted Bundy were compelled to act out fantasies and the Kindergarten shooter grew tired of pulling the trigger on virtual targets. Kids today see more virtual violence and carnage before they reach high school than most Soldiers did in for real in WW2. We are drifting into the abyss and all the left thinks about is restricting magazine capacity.

 

[eflatminor]

Years ago Hollywood violence was confined to the imagination. Later with graphic computer animation the sky was the limit with splattering brains and guts. High tech video games were two paddles hitting an electronic ball. Like the mood altering drugs the schools like to prescribe the slasher movies and graphic video games and pornography affects the crazies in different ways. Most people outgrow it but monsters like Ted Bundy were compelled to act out fantasies and the Kindergarten shooter grew tired of pulling the trigger on virtual targets. Kids today see more virtual violence and carnage before they reach high school than most Soldiers did in for real in WW2. We are drifting into the abyss and all the left thinks about is restricting magazine capacity.

Yet, murders, violent crime and mass killings are on the decline in America. I get that when we were kids, the most violent thing we watched was a safe dropping on the Roadrunner's head. Much more graphic today. But, the facts are the facts. Crime is down.

The bottom line of the two reports is that violent and property crime are at record lows for the country and , generally speaking, have been decreasing for the last two decades...great news for a country that suffered large increases in crime and violence for decades since the mid 1960′s.

Violent Crime Declines 70 Percent

 

[Lonestar_logic]

And, whose job is it to get guns placed in movies?

NRA.

Sure it is. As we all know, Hollywood is bought and paid for by the NRA...

Yep. For the thousandth time, NRA is a cartel of gun manufacturers.

Nonsense.

The NRA may not have influence on movie makers, but the cartel accusation is not 'nonsense'

The N.R.A. Protection Racket
By RICHARD W. PAINTER


The most blatant protection racket is orchestrated by the National Rifle Association, which is ruthless against candidates who are tempted to stray from its view that all gun regulations are pure evil. Debra Maggart, a Republican leader in the Tennessee House of Representatives, was one of its most recent victims. The N.R.A. spent around $100,000 to defeat her in the primary, because she would not support a bill that would have allowed people to keep guns locked in their cars on private property without the property owner’s consent.

The message to Republicans is clear: “We will help you get elected and protect your seat from Democrats. We will spend millions on ads that make your opponent look worse than the average holdup man robbing a liquor store. In return, we expect you to oppose any laws that regulate guns. These include laws requiring handgun registration, meaningful background checks on purchasers, limiting the right to carry concealed weapons, limiting access to semiautomatic weapons or anything else that would diminish the firepower available to anybody who wants it. And if you don’t comply, we will load our weapons and direct everything in our arsenal at you in the next Republican primary.”

NYTimes

Richard W. Painter, a professor of law at the University of Minnesota, was the chief White House ethics lawyer for President George W. Bush from 2005 to 2007.

Lobbying makes them a cartel?


Damn you are stupid!


List of lobbyist for 2013

Registered lobbyists in Washington last year was 12,655. That's 23 lobbyists for every member of Congress.

I guess they're all cartel members.

 

[Pogo]

Bullet to the Head (2012) - IMDb

And people wonder why these nut case kids are out gunning people down?

It's not a gun control problem, it's a what is being CONSTANTLY pumped into their HEADS from HOLLYWOOD problem.

And that's not even including all the ultra violent video games where kids can KILL, STEAL and RAPE in HIGH DEFINITION DETAIL!

THIS is the new LIBERAL America.

I was more or less with your point until the last sentence. Then it fell to pieces.

That crap is neither "new" nor "liberal" -- nor political at all. It's schlock sensationalism. And it's been with us for as long as we've had media in any definition.

I feel sympathetic to the theory just based on personal taste, and I'm certain this cretinous sludge entertainment ain't good for the psyche, yet the science just doesn't support it. As Toro pointed out the same media exists in say, Japan, and they have a tiny fraction of our gun violence (or even Canada). It may be a contributing or codependent factor but it's not as simple as boiling the root cause down to a single ingredient.

Firearms exist everywhere; violent media exists everywhere; the difference between here and there is the gun mentality; it's worshiped here like some kind of God, and that's just not true of Japan or Canada or really anywhere. To restrict the supply of guns, or of violent media, really doesn't address the root cause, which is the fetishism: why do we want to gun things down? Why do we want to slay video dragons and pirates? It comes down not to hardware but to values. Canadians and Brits and Japanese don't gun each other down not because they can't, but because they don't want to.

As to Hollywood, they'll produce Texas Chainsaw Massacres because it draws eyeballs, and that makes money. The question is not why Hollywood makes them; the question is why anyone watches them.