"Brownie....You're Doin' A Helluva Job"

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Katrina was a tropical depression on the 23rd. 23,24,25,26,27,28,29. 7 days. I count 7 days. How many do you count?

I count 1 ineducable conservative. But I understand, to brain-dead conservatives, 29-23=7.

I'll try one last time to educate you. If this still doesn't get through to you, you're completely hopeless ....

Katrina, before being named, formed as a tropical depression on August 23rd, 2005 at around 1700 CDT. It hit New Orleans on August 29th, 2005 at around 0700 CDT.

From 8.23.2005 1700 CDT to 8.29.2005 0700 CDT is 134 hours.

There are 144 hours in six days.

Just how fucking mentally retarded are you to think Katrina formed 7 days before it struck New Orleans when fewer hours found in 6 days transpired??

You're fucking insane.

I realize you can't count to 7 but you shouldn't be bragging about it. Let me help you. Say 23 and put 1 finger in the air. Continue counting to 29, putting a finger in the air after each number. Now, count the fingers in the air.

You're a fucking retard.

Oh well, I tried to help you. Still, you believe a week has only 134 hours , which is how much time transpired between the formation of Katrina and making landfall in Louisiana.

Katrina hit New Orleans on August 29th, 2005. 7 days prior to that was August 22nd, 2005. You're so deranged, you actually think 7 days earlier was August 23rd.

It doesn't really matter how long the storm lived anyway; what matters was its route. And that wasn't known as far as the Louisiana/Mississippi coast until Saturday afternoon -- roughly 36 hours before landfall. And that doesn't mean we have 36 hours to act -- it means that before 36 hours are up, we had to have been already clear and in a safe place.

I agree with that. All of the NO school bus drivers and most of the cops ran away to safe ground leaving the poor in the projects to fend for themselves.

If and if Ray Nagin hadn't had his head stuck up his own ass...those school bus drivers would have been driving to safe ground on city owned school buses loaded with those poor people from the projects that didn't have cars but had been led to believe by the city's emergency evacuation plan that buses would be used for just that purpose!

Nagin abandoned those people. He actually had the nerve to use the excuse that he was worried about insurance liability and THAT was the reason he didn't use the school buses to get people out! Seriously, Ray? I mean, SERIOUSLY, RAY!!!

 

[Faun]

You're too fucking brain-dead.

It's not about "preparing to evacuate." Cities have evacuation plans. It's about actually making the call to evacuate. Cities don't evacuate unless there's an actual threat. You really are as stupid as you sound. Evacuation is the last step taken to prevent loss of life. It's not done willy-nilly just because a hurricane is projected to hit three states away.

Even worse for your idiotic position is that calling for the evacuation was not the problem. Getting residents to evacuate was. No city can force residents to evacuate against their will. Folks in New Orleans who were willing to leave all got out in time. It was the residents who refused to evacuate who foolishly stayed in their homes despite a mandatory evacuation. For many who wanted to evacuate but didn't have the means, the city picked up at designated locations throughout the city and brought them to shelter in the Superdome. The buses you speak of were not used because the city lacked time to coordinate bussing people out of the city. Again, despite your mountain of ignorance, the city had less than 2 days to facilitate a complete evacuation.

So what you're saying is that despite the fact that part of New Orlean's evacuation strategy included using city owned buses to get those people without cars out of the city...that Ray Nagin somehow forgot to implement that strategy during the two days prior to Katrina making landfall even though the "leaders" (and I use that term oh so loosely!) on New Orleans knew about a category 5 hurricane sitting right out there in the Gulf? That hundreds of bright yellow school buses sat in parking lots while Nagin sat on his thumbs?

See here's the thing, Faun..."plans" are only good if you've got leaders who remember to use them when the shit hits the fan!

Nope, that's not what I'm saying. Ya think i'm surprised to see you're not capable of comprehending?

What are you saying? Your claim that everyone who wanted to get out of the city did before the storm hit is completely untrue. I think something like 10% of people living in New Orleans don't have cars. Those people were supposed to be evacuated using city school buses in an emergency...but Ray Nagin never pulled the trigger on that so those people were stuck in the city when Katrina came ashore...either trying to ride it out in their homes or seeking "shelter" at the Superdome which Nagin hadn't adequately supplied at all.

You fucking retard, I never said, "everyone who wanted to get out of the city, did." What the fuck is wrong with you? Do you even understand English?

So you're OK with the wealthier New Orleans folks hopping in their cars and taking off while the poor folks without cars and living in the predominantly below sea level areas of the city were being fucked because Ray Nagin was too busy collecting bribes to do his job?

But then it's Michael Brown's fault because FEMA didn't get there fast enough to "rescue" the people that Ray Nagin apparently couldn't have cared less about? Is that the way it works in "Faun World"?

That's what I love about you liberals...you're always "TALKING" about how you're there for the little guy...how you've got their back...but it never fails...whenever you clowns get power the first thing you do is line your pockets at the expense of the little guy. Never stops you from claiming to be there for them...does it?

Holyfuckingshit!

I never said that either. You're fucking deranged.

It's cute how you make up ridiculous positions you delude yourself others take and then attack them for things they never said. Reveals just how vacuous your own position is.

 

[Campbell]

You're too fucking brain-dead.

It's not about "preparing to evacuate." Cities have evacuation plans. It's about actually making the call to evacuate. Cities don't evacuate unless there's an actual threat. You really are as stupid as you sound. Evacuation is the last step taken to prevent loss of life. It's not done willy-nilly just because a hurricane is projected to hit three states away.

Even worse for your idiotic position is that calling for the evacuation was not the problem. Getting residents to evacuate was. No city can force residents to evacuate against their will. Folks in New Orleans who were willing to leave all got out in time. It was the residents who refused to evacuate who foolishly stayed in their homes despite a mandatory evacuation. For many who wanted to evacuate but didn't have the means, the city picked up at designated locations throughout the city and brought them to shelter in the Superdome. The buses you speak of were not used because the city lacked time to coordinate bussing people out of the city. Again, despite your mountain of ignorance, the city had less than 2 days to facilitate a complete evacuation.

So what you're saying is that despite the fact that part of New Orlean's evacuation strategy included using city owned buses to get those people without cars out of the city...that Ray Nagin somehow forgot to implement that strategy during the two days prior to Katrina making landfall even though the "leaders" (and I use that term oh so loosely!) on New Orleans knew about a category 5 hurricane sitting right out there in the Gulf? That hundreds of bright yellow school buses sat in parking lots while Nagin sat on his thumbs?

See here's the thing, Faun..."plans" are only good if you've got leaders who remember to use them when the shit hits the fan!

Nope, that's not what I'm saying. Ya think i'm surprised to see you're not capable of comprehending?

What are you saying? Your claim that everyone who wanted to get out of the city did before the storm hit is completely untrue. I think something like 10% of people living in New Orleans don't have cars. Those people were supposed to be evacuated using city school buses in an emergency...but Ray Nagin never pulled the trigger on that so those people were stuck in the city when Katrina came ashore...either trying to ride it out in their homes or seeking "shelter" at the Superdome which Nagin hadn't adequately supplied at all.

You fucking retard, I never said, "everyone who wanted to get out of the city, did." What the fuck is wrong with you? Do you even understand English?

So you're OK with the wealthier New Orleans folks hopping in their cars and taking off while the poor folks without cars and living in the predominantly below sea level areas of the city were being fucked because Ray Nagin was too busy collecting bribes to do his job?

But then it's Michael Brown's fault because FEMA didn't get there fast enough to "rescue" the people that Ray Nagin apparently couldn't have cared less about? Is that the way it works in "Faun World"?

That's what I love about you liberals...you're always "TALKING" about how you're there for the little guy...how you've got their back...but it never fails...whenever you clowns get power the first thing you do is line your pockets at the expense of the little guy. Never stops you from claiming to be there for them...does it?

You're full of runny yellow shit!!

By god where were you when Bush sent 100,000 young Americans to a goddam desert 10,000 miles from home and got 4500 of them killed in an unnecessary war and another 35,000 seriously wounded? His flyover and mishandling of Katrina was child's play when compared to that major screw up!

 

[Oldstyle]

I mean think about it...you've got all those people who ended up at the Superdome because Nagin didn't pull the trigger on using buses to get people out of the city...the only supplies AT the Superdome were provided not by the city of New Orleans or the State of Louisiana but by FEMA...the Superdome is surrounded by floodwaters caused by levee failures which might have been averted if local politicians hadn't for decades diverted Federal funds for flood control to their own pet projects...the Governor hesitated in turning over control of the National Guard because she didn't want to appear "weak"...local Police officers simply left the city so that there was widespread looting and violence...

Yet Katrina is the "fault" of the Bush Administration? Really guys? I mean REALLY!!!

 

[Oldstyle]

So what you're saying is that despite the fact that part of New Orlean's evacuation strategy included using city owned buses to get those people without cars out of the city...that Ray Nagin somehow forgot to implement that strategy during the two days prior to Katrina making landfall even though the "leaders" (and I use that term oh so loosely!) on New Orleans knew about a category 5 hurricane sitting right out there in the Gulf? That hundreds of bright yellow school buses sat in parking lots while Nagin sat on his thumbs?

See here's the thing, Faun..."plans" are only good if you've got leaders who remember to use them when the shit hits the fan!

Nope, that's not what I'm saying. Ya think i'm surprised to see you're not capable of comprehending?

What are you saying? Your claim that everyone who wanted to get out of the city did before the storm hit is completely untrue. I think something like 10% of people living in New Orleans don't have cars. Those people were supposed to be evacuated using city school buses in an emergency...but Ray Nagin never pulled the trigger on that so those people were stuck in the city when Katrina came ashore...either trying to ride it out in their homes or seeking "shelter" at the Superdome which Nagin hadn't adequately supplied at all.

You fucking retard, I never said, "everyone who wanted to get out of the city, did." What the fuck is wrong with you? Do you even understand English?

So you're OK with the wealthier New Orleans folks hopping in their cars and taking off while the poor folks without cars and living in the predominantly below sea level areas of the city were being fucked because Ray Nagin was too busy collecting bribes to do his job?

But then it's Michael Brown's fault because FEMA didn't get there fast enough to "rescue" the people that Ray Nagin apparently couldn't have cared less about? Is that the way it works in "Faun World"?

That's what I love about you liberals...you're always "TALKING" about how you're there for the little guy...how you've got their back...but it never fails...whenever you clowns get power the first thing you do is line your pockets at the expense of the little guy. Never stops you from claiming to be there for them...does it?

You're full of runny yellow shit!!

By god where were you when Bush sent 100,000 young Americans to a goddam desert 10,000 miles from home and got 4500 of them killed in an unnecessary war and another 35,000 seriously wounded? His flyover and mishandling of Katrina was child's play when compared to that major screw up!

So now Bush is at fault for Katrina because of going to war in the Middle East after 9/11? Could you possibly make a bigger side step of one issue to another?

 

[Oldstyle]

So the debacle that Katrina became isn't Ray Nagin's fault...it's not Governor Blanco's fault...it's George W. Bush's fault because he took us to war in Afghanistan and Iraq? Wow...the logic in that is simply amazing!

 

[Campbell]

Where do I begin....That's so wrong that it's difficult to find a grain of truth in it. Try this and apply to Aug 28 before the storm hit:

Nagin orders first-ever mandatory evacuation of New Orleans



"New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin called for a first-ever mandatory evacuation of the city this morning, saying that Hurricane Katrina's devastating power may well create the sort of cataclysmic damage that residents have long worried that a killer storm could cause in a city that lies mostly below sea level.

"I wish I had better news, but we're facing the storm most of us have feared, " said Nagin, flanked by city and state officials, including Gov. Kathleen Blanco. "This is very serious. This is going to be an unprecedented event. "

Nagin said Katrina's "awesome" winds are likely to create storm surges that overwhelm the city's system of levees, causing water to pour into lower-lying areas. Blanco said the water could get as high as 20 feet in places.

The city has 30 boats at its disposal, the mayor said.

The governor also said that President Bush had telephoned shortly before the 9:30 a.m. press conference began. She said Bush said he was "very concerned about the storm's impact" and urged Blanco and Nagin to order the evacuation.

"We need to get as many people out as possible, " she said.

Around 112,000 Orleanians do not own cars, according to census data. Nagin urged those people to seek rides with friends, family, neighbors and church members. Those who could not find rides were urged to get to the Superdome (Katrina photos: Superdome

) as quickly as possible"

Yeah, that's all lovely, Campbell but it ignores the fact that Nagin is ordering that mandatory evacuation too late and while he's doing it...HE'S NOT FOLLOWING THE EMERGENCY EVACUATION PLAN THAT THE CITY HAD IN PLACE TO USE SCHOOL BUSES TO GET PEOPLE OUT OF THE CITY WHO DIDN'T HAVE CARS!!!

What the hell is wrong with you people? Nagin and Blanco waited until the last minute...realized that they probably should have ordered a mandatory evacuation long before that...and then to make matters worse basically told those poor people to hitch a ride with neighbors after leading them to believe that the city would provide transportation if an evacuation was ever called for?

Is that leadership? Because if you think it is...then you have no clue as to what real leadership is!

As already posted --- Blanco declared a state of emergency on Friday, well before the path to New Orleans was even known. First of the affected governors to do so, although nobody knew at that point what the path was going to be. You armchair Monday morning quarterbacks sitting in Bumfuck Nebraska sitting on a bottomless well of Clueless are hysterical. In more than one sense.

As already posted...Jeb Bush had declared a state of emergency in the State of Florida because of Katrina, long before Blanco did.

And I'm sitting in Fort Myers, Florida...Sparky! Where I've been sitting for quite some time.

Do you get tired of posting things that make you look stupid?

If you actually think eastern Florida lies in the same place as New Orleans, then you truly do live in Bumfuck Idaho, with no access to what the rest of us call "maps". Holy SHIT you're a moron.

It never ceases to amaze me to see just how retarded you righties are. Far worse than I thought, in fact. A moron constantly makes stupid remarks. But you righties are so fucking retarded, you defend your moronic remarks to the death even after the rightardedness of your posts are revealed.

He said Hurricane Katrina didn't even exist a week before making landfall in New Orleans. That occurred on August 29th, 2005. Now pay attention to this part as it's the key to your idiocy .... a week prior to the 29th was August 22nd, 2005; before it was even a tropical depression. Do you even know a week is 7 days, not 6?

Katrina was a tropical depression on the 23rd. 23,24,25,26,27,28,29. 7 days. I count 7 days. How many do you count?

I count 1 ineducable conservative. But I understand, to brain-dead conservatives, 29-23=7.

I'll try one last time to educate you. If this still doesn't get through to you, you're completely hopeless ....

Katrina, before being named, formed as a tropical depression on August 23rd, 2005 at around 1700 CDT. It hit New Orleans on August 29th, 2005 at around 0700 CDT.

From 8.23.2005 1700 CDT to 8.29.2005 0700 CDT is 134 hours.

There are 144 hours in six days.

Just how fucking mentally retarded are you to think Katrina formed 7 days before it struck New Orleans when fewer hours found in 6 days transpired??

You're fucking insane.

Wow, I can't believe you just counted hours instead of days because that gives you the appearance of one less day! You're one of the most dedicated apologists I've ever run across. You've now spent days defending Ray Nagin's handling of Katrina and that's the best you can come up with?

Nobody's "defending" jack shit Dipshit, except the basic child's lesson of how the fuck COUNTING works.

If you can't admit that Jeb Bush declared a state of emergency with Katrina before the storm hit the east coast of Florida then you've declared yourself to be one of two things...someone willing to play fast and loose with the truth in support of your agenda...or someone who's REALLY stupid!

Defending Nagin and Blanco is all that you and Faun have done for days now, Queen Pogo! That and attack Michael Brown and George W. Bush.

The truth is that FEMA was slow responding to the crisis that existed in New Orleans following Katrina making landfall but FEMA is never the first emergency response to disasters because by design FEMA stages it's responders out of harms way and then has to get TO the affected area. The REASON that you are told to stockpile enough food, water and medical supplies to get you through a minimum of five days is that in the aftermath of a large storm it might very well take that long for FEMA to arrive on scene with enough people and supplies to help you. Those of us that live in hurricane prone States understand that concept and prepare accordingly.

The truth that you don't want to hear is that the crisis in question was created by woeful emergency preparation by local leaders before the storm hit and even worse leadership when it did. You don't want to hear THAT because those leaders were Democrats...a fact that in Nagin's case the liberal media and yourself tried to disguise by labeling him a Republican. What's amazing to watch is that you STILL make that claim even though Nagin himself said it wasn't true and forced publications that said it was to make a retraction. But you're fine with continuing to tell the lie...aren't you?

 

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Yeah, that's all lovely, Campbell but it ignores the fact that Nagin is ordering that mandatory evacuation too late and while he's doing it...HE'S NOT FOLLOWING THE EMERGENCY EVACUATION PLAN THAT THE CITY HAD IN PLACE TO USE SCHOOL BUSES TO GET PEOPLE OUT OF THE CITY WHO DIDN'T HAVE CARS!!!

What the hell is wrong with you people? Nagin and Blanco waited until the last minute...realized that they probably should have ordered a mandatory evacuation long before that...and then to make matters worse basically told those poor people to hitch a ride with neighbors after leading them to believe that the city would provide transportation if an evacuation was ever called for?

Is that leadership? Because if you think it is...then you have no clue as to what real leadership is!

As already posted --- Blanco declared a state of emergency on Friday, well before the path to New Orleans was even known. First of the affected governors to do so, although nobody knew at that point what the path was going to be. You armchair Monday morning quarterbacks sitting in Bumfuck Nebraska sitting on a bottomless well of Clueless are hysterical. In more than one sense.

As already posted...Jeb Bush had declared a state of emergency in the State of Florida because of Katrina, long before Blanco did.

And I'm sitting in Fort Myers, Florida...Sparky! Where I've been sitting for quite some time.

Do you get tired of posting things that make you look stupid?

If you actually think eastern Florida lies in the same place as New Orleans, then you truly do live in Bumfuck Idaho, with no access to what the rest of us call "maps". Holy SHIT you're a moron.

Katrina was a tropical depression on the 23rd. 23,24,25,26,27,28,29. 7 days. I count 7 days. How many do you count?

I count 1 ineducable conservative. But I understand, to brain-dead conservatives, 29-23=7.

I'll try one last time to educate you. If this still doesn't get through to you, you're completely hopeless ....

Katrina, before being named, formed as a tropical depression on August 23rd, 2005 at around 1700 CDT. It hit New Orleans on August 29th, 2005 at around 0700 CDT.

From 8.23.2005 1700 CDT to 8.29.2005 0700 CDT is 134 hours.

There are 144 hours in six days.

Just how fucking mentally retarded are you to think Katrina formed 7 days before it struck New Orleans when fewer hours found in 6 days transpired??

You're fucking insane.

Wow, I can't believe you just counted hours instead of days because that gives you the appearance of one less day! You're one of the most dedicated apologists I've ever run across. You've now spent days defending Ray Nagin's handling of Katrina and that's the best you can come up with?

Nobody's "defending" jack shit Dipshit, except the basic child's lesson of how the fuck COUNTING works.

If you can't admit that Jeb Bush declared a state of emergency with Katrina before the storm hit the east coast of Florida then you've declared yourself to be one of two things...someone willing to play fast and loose with the truth in support of your agenda...or someone who's REALLY stupid!

Defending Nagin and Blanco is all that you and Faun have done for days now, Queen Pogo! That and attack Michael Brown and George W. Bush.

The truth is that FEMA was slow responding to the crisis that existed in New Orleans following Katrina making landfall but FEMA is never the first emergency response to disasters because by design FEMA stages it's responders out of harms way and then has to get TO the affected area. The REASON that you are told to stockpile enough food, water and medical supplies to get you through a minimum of five days is that in the aftermath of a large storm it might very well take that long for FEMA to arrive on scene with enough people and supplies to help you. Those of us that live in hurricane prone States understand that concept and prepare accordingly.

The truth that you don't want to hear is that the crisis in question was created by woeful emergency preparation by local leaders before the storm hit and even worse leadership when it did. You don't want to hear THAT because those leaders were Democrats...a fact that in Nagin's case the liberal media and yourself tried to disguise by labeling him a Republican. What's amazing to watch is that you STILL make that claim even though Nagin himself said it wasn't true and forced publications that said it was to make a retraction. But you're fine with continuing to tell the lie...aren't you?

 

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[Faun]

23 to 29 is SIX DAYS, stupid. You don't count the day you start on.
And 23 is a stretch -- it wasn't even a storm until the 24th. Not even a little one.

How Katrina formed -- National Geographic

"A week before" landfall (dawn, Monday August 29th) would be dawn on Monday August 22nd. A day on which Katrina, all together now, DID NOT YET EXIST.

I counted the 23rd because it WAS a tropical depression on the 23rd and you clearly stated that it wasn't.

It never ceases to amaze me to see just how retarded you righties are. Far worse than I thought, in fact. A moron constantly makes stupid remarks. But you righties are so fucking retarded, you defend your moronic remarks to the death even after the rightardedness of your posts are revealed.

He said Hurricane Katrina didn't even exist a week before making landfall in New Orleans. That occurred on August 29th, 2005. Now pay attention to this part as it's the key to your idiocy .... a week prior to the 29th was August 22nd, 2005; before it was even a tropical depression. Do you even know a week is 7 days, not 6?

Katrina was a tropical depression on the 23rd. 23,24,25,26,27,28,29. 7 days. I count 7 days. How many do you count?

I count 1 ineducable conservative. But I understand, to brain-dead conservatives, 29-23=7.

I'll try one last time to educate you. If this still doesn't get through to you, you're completely hopeless ....

Katrina, before being named, formed as a tropical depression on August 23rd, 2005 at around 1700 CDT. It hit New Orleans on August 29th, 2005 at around 0700 CDT.

From 8.23.2005 1700 CDT to 8.29.2005 0700 CDT is 134 hours.

There are 144 hours in six days.

Just how fucking mentally retarded are you to think Katrina formed 7 days before it struck New Orleans when fewer hours found in 6 days transpired??

You're fucking insane.

Wow, I can't believe you just counted hours instead of days because that gives you the appearance of one less day! You're one of the most dedicated apologists I've ever run across. You've now spent days defending Ray Nagin's handling of Katrina and that's the best you can come up with?

You're an idiot.

I counted days. That moron still thinks it took Katrina 7 days to hit New Orleans. I counted numbers. That moron still thinks it took Katrina 7 days to hit New Orleans. I counted hours. That moron still thinks it took Katrina 7 days to hit New Orleans.

And it's not to give the appearance of one less day -- it's to be factually accurate. How many days do you think transpired from the time Katrina formed to the time it made landfall in Louisiana?

 

[Faun]

Nope, that's not what I'm saying. Ya think i'm surprised to see you're not capable of comprehending?

What are you saying? Your claim that everyone who wanted to get out of the city did before the storm hit is completely untrue. I think something like 10% of people living in New Orleans don't have cars. Those people were supposed to be evacuated using city school buses in an emergency...but Ray Nagin never pulled the trigger on that so those people were stuck in the city when Katrina came ashore...either trying to ride it out in their homes or seeking "shelter" at the Superdome which Nagin hadn't adequately supplied at all.

Where do I begin....That's so wrong that it's difficult to find a grain of truth in it. Try this and apply to Aug 28 before the storm hit:

Nagin orders first-ever mandatory evacuation of New Orleans



"New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin called for a first-ever mandatory evacuation of the city this morning, saying that Hurricane Katrina's devastating power may well create the sort of cataclysmic damage that residents have long worried that a killer storm could cause in a city that lies mostly below sea level.

"I wish I had better news, but we're facing the storm most of us have feared, " said Nagin, flanked by city and state officials, including Gov. Kathleen Blanco. "This is very serious. This is going to be an unprecedented event. "

Nagin said Katrina's "awesome" winds are likely to create storm surges that overwhelm the city's system of levees, causing water to pour into lower-lying areas. Blanco said the water could get as high as 20 feet in places.

The city has 30 boats at its disposal, the mayor said.

The governor also said that President Bush had telephoned shortly before the 9:30 a.m. press conference began. She said Bush said he was "very concerned about the storm's impact" and urged Blanco and Nagin to order the evacuation.

"We need to get as many people out as possible, " she said.

Around 112,000 Orleanians do not own cars, according to census data. Nagin urged those people to seek rides with friends, family, neighbors and church members. Those who could not find rides were urged to get to the Superdome (Katrina photos: Superdome

) as quickly as possible"

Yeah, that's all lovely, Campbell but it ignores the fact that Nagin is ordering that mandatory evacuation too late and while he's doing it...HE'S NOT FOLLOWING THE EMERGENCY EVACUATION PLAN THAT THE CITY HAD IN PLACE TO USE SCHOOL BUSES TO GET PEOPLE OUT OF THE CITY WHO DIDN'T HAVE CARS!!!

What the hell is wrong with you people? Nagin and Blanco waited until the last minute...realized that they probably should have ordered a mandatory evacuation long before that...and then to make matters worse basically told those poor people to hitch a ride with neighbors after leading them to believe that the city would provide transportation if an evacuation was ever called for?

Is that leadership? Because if you think it is...then you have no clue as to what real leadership is!

As already posted --- Blanco declared a state of emergency on Friday, well before the path to New Orleans was even known. First of the affected governors to do so, although nobody knew at that point what the path was going to be. You armchair Monday morning quarterbacks sitting in Bumfuck Nebraska sitting on a bottomless well of Clueless are hysterical. In more than one sense.

As already posted...Jeb Bush had declared a state of emergency in the State of Florida because of Katrina, long before Blanco did.

And I'm sitting in Fort Myers, Florida...Sparky! Where I've been sitting for quite some time.

Do you get tired of posting things that make you look stupid?

Bush declared a state of emergency 1 day before Katrina hit his state. Blanco declared a state of emergency 3 days before Katrina hit hers. Your point is ... ?

 

[Campbell]

What are you saying? Your claim that everyone who wanted to get out of the city did before the storm hit is completely untrue. I think something like 10% of people living in New Orleans don't have cars. Those people were supposed to be evacuated using city school buses in an emergency...but Ray Nagin never pulled the trigger on that so those people were stuck in the city when Katrina came ashore...either trying to ride it out in their homes or seeking "shelter" at the Superdome which Nagin hadn't adequately supplied at all.

Where do I begin....That's so wrong that it's difficult to find a grain of truth in it. Try this and apply to Aug 28 before the storm hit:

Nagin orders first-ever mandatory evacuation of New Orleans



"New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin called for a first-ever mandatory evacuation of the city this morning, saying that Hurricane Katrina's devastating power may well create the sort of cataclysmic damage that residents have long worried that a killer storm could cause in a city that lies mostly below sea level.

"I wish I had better news, but we're facing the storm most of us have feared, " said Nagin, flanked by city and state officials, including Gov. Kathleen Blanco. "This is very serious. This is going to be an unprecedented event. "

Nagin said Katrina's "awesome" winds are likely to create storm surges that overwhelm the city's system of levees, causing water to pour into lower-lying areas. Blanco said the water could get as high as 20 feet in places.

The city has 30 boats at its disposal, the mayor said.

The governor also said that President Bush had telephoned shortly before the 9:30 a.m. press conference began. She said Bush said he was "very concerned about the storm's impact" and urged Blanco and Nagin to order the evacuation.

"We need to get as many people out as possible, " she said.

Around 112,000 Orleanians do not own cars, according to census data. Nagin urged those people to seek rides with friends, family, neighbors and church members. Those who could not find rides were urged to get to the Superdome (Katrina photos: Superdome

) as quickly as possible"

Yeah, that's all lovely, Campbell but it ignores the fact that Nagin is ordering that mandatory evacuation too late and while he's doing it...HE'S NOT FOLLOWING THE EMERGENCY EVACUATION PLAN THAT THE CITY HAD IN PLACE TO USE SCHOOL BUSES TO GET PEOPLE OUT OF THE CITY WHO DIDN'T HAVE CARS!!!

What the hell is wrong with you people? Nagin and Blanco waited until the last minute...realized that they probably should have ordered a mandatory evacuation long before that...and then to make matters worse basically told those poor people to hitch a ride with neighbors after leading them to believe that the city would provide transportation if an evacuation was ever called for?

Is that leadership? Because if you think it is...then you have no clue as to what real leadership is!

As already posted --- Blanco declared a state of emergency on Friday, well before the path to New Orleans was even known. First of the affected governors to do so, although nobody knew at that point what the path was going to be. You armchair Monday morning quarterbacks sitting in Bumfuck Nebraska sitting on a bottomless well of Clueless are hysterical. In more than one sense.

As already posted...Jeb Bush had declared a state of emergency in the State of Florida because of Katrina, long before Blanco did.

And I'm sitting in Fort Myers, Florida...Sparky! Where I've been sitting for quite some time.

Do you get tired of posting things that make you look stupid?

Bush declared a state of emergency 1 day before Katrina hit his state. Blanco declared a state of emergency 3 days before Katrina hit hers. Your point is ... ?

 

[Faun]

As a person who actually lived through this, local authorities screwed the pooch royally... my house would not have flooded if not for Jefferson Parish President Aaron Broussard's decision to send all pump operators to Livingston Parish. It wasn't until after Blanco finally asked for assistance that things started to improve. Was FEMA perfect? Hell no... but to blame that on FEMA is asinine.

What the hell are you talking about? She asked Bush for federal assistance days before the hurricane hit. What's your source denying this so I can laugh at that too?

The feds couldn't do anything, let alone just March into a sovereign state unless asked to do so.

Don't move the goal posts. You said she "finally asked for assistance" after the storm. Well, no, she asked for assistance before the storm. So where did you dig that gem up from?

 

[Faun]

I mean think about it...you've got all those people who ended up at the Superdome because Nagin didn't pull the trigger on using buses to get people out of the city...the only supplies AT the Superdome were provided not by the city of New Orleans or the State of Louisiana but by FEMA...the Superdome is surrounded by floodwaters caused by levee failures which might have been averted if local politicians hadn't for decades diverted Federal funds for flood control to their own pet projects...the Governor hesitated in turning over control of the National Guard because she didn't want to appear "weak"...local Police officers simply left the city so that there was widespread looting and violence...

Yet Katrina is the "fault" of the Bush Administration? Really guys? I mean REALLY!!!

Who do think built and maintained the levees? Who do you think controlled that budget?

 

[Faun]

Nope, that's not what I'm saying. Ya think i'm surprised to see you're not capable of comprehending?

What are you saying? Your claim that everyone who wanted to get out of the city did before the storm hit is completely untrue. I think something like 10% of people living in New Orleans don't have cars. Those people were supposed to be evacuated using city school buses in an emergency...but Ray Nagin never pulled the trigger on that so those people were stuck in the city when Katrina came ashore...either trying to ride it out in their homes or seeking "shelter" at the Superdome which Nagin hadn't adequately supplied at all.

You fucking retard, I never said, "everyone who wanted to get out of the city, did." What the fuck is wrong with you? Do you even understand English?

So you're OK with the wealthier New Orleans folks hopping in their cars and taking off while the poor folks without cars and living in the predominantly below sea level areas of the city were being fucked because Ray Nagin was too busy collecting bribes to do his job?

But then it's Michael Brown's fault because FEMA didn't get there fast enough to "rescue" the people that Ray Nagin apparently couldn't have cared less about? Is that the way it works in "Faun World"?

That's what I love about you liberals...you're always "TALKING" about how you're there for the little guy...how you've got their back...but it never fails...whenever you clowns get power the first thing you do is line your pockets at the expense of the little guy. Never stops you from claiming to be there for them...does it?

You're full of runny yellow shit!!

By god where were you when Bush sent 100,000 young Americans to a goddam desert 10,000 miles from home and got 4500 of them killed in an unnecessary war and another 35,000 seriously wounded? His flyover and mishandling of Katrina was child's play when compared to that major screw up!

So now Bush is at fault for Katrina because of going to war in the Middle East after 9/11? Could you possibly make a bigger side step of one issue to another?

Iraq had nothing to do with 9.11. How many more years do you need to learn that?

 

[Oldstyle]

I counted the 23rd because it WAS a tropical depression on the 23rd and you clearly stated that it wasn't.

It never ceases to amaze me to see just how retarded you righties are. Far worse than I thought, in fact. A moron constantly makes stupid remarks. But you righties are so fucking retarded, you defend your moronic remarks to the death even after the rightardedness of your posts are revealed.

He said Hurricane Katrina didn't even exist a week before making landfall in New Orleans. That occurred on August 29th, 2005. Now pay attention to this part as it's the key to your idiocy .... a week prior to the 29th was August 22nd, 2005; before it was even a tropical depression. Do you even know a week is 7 days, not 6?

Katrina was a tropical depression on the 23rd. 23,24,25,26,27,28,29. 7 days. I count 7 days. How many do you count?

I count 1 ineducable conservative. But I understand, to brain-dead conservatives, 29-23=7.

I'll try one last time to educate you. If this still doesn't get through to you, you're completely hopeless ....

Katrina, before being named, formed as a tropical depression on August 23rd, 2005 at around 1700 CDT. It hit New Orleans on August 29th, 2005 at around 0700 CDT.

From 8.23.2005 1700 CDT to 8.29.2005 0700 CDT is 134 hours.

There are 144 hours in six days.

Just how fucking mentally retarded are you to think Katrina formed 7 days before it struck New Orleans when fewer hours found in 6 days transpired??

You're fucking insane.

Wow, I can't believe you just counted hours instead of days because that gives you the appearance of one less day! You're one of the most dedicated apologists I've ever run across. You've now spent days defending Ray Nagin's handling of Katrina and that's the best you can come up with?

You're an idiot.

I counted days. That moron still thinks it took Katrina 7 days to hit New Orleans. I counted numbers. That moron still thinks it took Katrina 7 days to hit New Orleans. I counted hours. That moron still thinks it took Katrina 7 days to hit New Orleans.

And it's not to give the appearance of one less day -- it's to be factually accurate. How many days do you think transpired from the time Katrina formed to the time it made landfall in Louisiana?

Six days. So tell me how long you think it should take for a city's Mayor to activate an emergency response plan that is already in place? Or in Ray Nagin's case TOTALLY FAIL TO ACTIVATE IT!

 

[Oldstyle]

I mean think about it...you've got all those people who ended up at the Superdome because Nagin didn't pull the trigger on using buses to get people out of the city...the only supplies AT the Superdome were provided not by the city of New Orleans or the State of Louisiana but by FEMA...the Superdome is surrounded by floodwaters caused by levee failures which might have been averted if local politicians hadn't for decades diverted Federal funds for flood control to their own pet projects...the Governor hesitated in turning over control of the National Guard because she didn't want to appear "weak"...local Police officers simply left the city so that there was widespread looting and violence...

Yet Katrina is the "fault" of the Bush Administration? Really guys? I mean REALLY!!!

Who do think built and maintained the levees? Who do you think controlled that budget?

You know what's really sad, Faun? You seem to be totally oblivious of the long history of Louisiana politicians spending money on everything BUT improving the levee system. Time and time again...money that was allocated by the Federal Government for just that purpose wasn't spent on levees because those were MATCHING funds. Instead of spending State and City money on levees, local Louisiana politicians spent their money on things like casinos and other "economic development" projects instead...projects that benefited their friends or people who paid them off with bribes. Because the matching funds from the city and the State weren't there...the Federal funds were then unavailable as well. You can't make up how corrupt and incompetent the politicians in Louisiana have been for a long long time. You CAN however be aware of it!

 

[ninja007]

Get used to it!!!

You've lost the popular vote in five of the last six presidential elections. I suggest you begin to practice saying, "Madame President!"

Hell Fire.....after the Blacks, Hispanics, Poor People, Gays etc. vote who the hell does the Republican party have to hang their hopes on??

why do liberals and yourself seperate Americans like this for?

 

[ninja007]

I mean think about it...you've got all those people who ended up at the Superdome because Nagin didn't pull the trigger on using buses to get people out of the city...the only supplies AT the Superdome were provided not by the city of New Orleans or the State of Louisiana but by FEMA...the Superdome is surrounded by floodwaters caused by levee failures which might have been averted if local politicians hadn't for decades diverted Federal funds for flood control to their own pet projects...the Governor hesitated in turning over control of the National Guard because she didn't want to appear "weak"...local Police officers simply left the city so that there was widespread looting and violence...

Yet Katrina is the "fault" of the Bush Administration? Really guys? I mean REALLY!!!

Who do think built and maintained the levees? Who do you think controlled that budget?

You know what's really sad, Faun? You seem to be totally oblivious of the long history of Louisiana politicians spending money on everything BUT improving the levee system. Time and time again...money that was allocated by the Federal Government for just that purpose wasn't spent on levees because those were MATCHING funds. Instead of spending State and City money on levees, local Louisiana politicians spent their money on things like casinos and other "economic development" projects instead...projects that benefited their friends or people who paid them off with bribes. Because the matching funds from the city and the State weren't there...the Federal funds were then unavailable as well. You can't make up how corrupt and incompetent the politicians in Louisiana have been for a long long time. You CAN however be aware of it!

William Jefferson ring a bell?

Former Rep. William Jefferson transferred to Oakdale prison camp

 

[Faun]

It never ceases to amaze me to see just how retarded you righties are. Far worse than I thought, in fact. A moron constantly makes stupid remarks. But you righties are so fucking retarded, you defend your moronic remarks to the death even after the rightardedness of your posts are revealed.

He said Hurricane Katrina didn't even exist a week before making landfall in New Orleans. That occurred on August 29th, 2005. Now pay attention to this part as it's the key to your idiocy .... a week prior to the 29th was August 22nd, 2005; before it was even a tropical 1depression. Do you even know a week is 7 days, not 6?

Katrina was a tropical depression on the 23rd. 23,24,25,26,27,28,29. 7 days. I count 7 days. How many do you count?

I count 1 ineducable conservative. But I understand, to brain-dead conservatives, 29-23=7.

I'll try one last time to educate you. If this still doesn't get through to you, you're completely hopeless ....

Katrina, before being named, formed as a tropical depression on August 23rd, 2005 at around 1700 CDT. It hit New Orleans on August 29th, 2005 at around 0700 CDT.

From 8.23.2005 1700 CDT to 8.29.2005 0700 CDT is 134 hours.

There are 144 hours in six days.

Just how fucking mentally retarded are you to think Katrina formed 7 days before it struck New Orleans when fewer hours found in 6 days transpired??

You're fucking insane.

Wow, I can't believe you just counted hours instead of days because that gives you the appearance of one less day! You're one of the most dedicated apologists I've ever run across. You've now spent days defending Ray Nagin's handling of Katrina and that's the best you can come up with?

You're an idiot.

I counted days. That moron still thinks it took Katrina 7 days to hit New Orleans. I counted numbers. That moron still thinks it took Katrina 7 days to hit New Orleans. I counted hours. That moron still thinks it took Katrina 7 days to hit New Orleans.

And it's not to give the appearance of one less day -- it's to be factually accurate. How many days do you think transpired from the time Katrina formed to the time it made landfall in Louisiana?

Six days.

Yet here you are, criticizing me for saying it was 6 days as I tried to educate a moron idiotically claiming it was 7 days.

So tell me how long you think it should take for a city's Mayor to activate an emergency response plan that is already in place? Or in Ray Nagin's case TOTALLY FAIL TO ACTIVATE IT!

Less than an hour.