Brootherhood Obama Leaps Into Action

[Osomir]

something wrong with me----I cannot access it what does it say---
and who was dumb enough to walk around in Yemen?

hmm, that link was directly to the PDF file from their database, here is the link to where it is located on their website: A False Foundation? AQAP, Tribes and Ungoverned Spaces in Yemen | Combating Terrorism Center at West Point

The author works through West Point and has remained undercover in order to continue his research in the area. His interviews though are available as are the primary battlefield documents utilized through the Harmony Project.

 

[irosie91]

Osomir-----are you stating it is not true that BOTH GROUPS are
islamo fascists ?

my primary response was to her assertion that they lack any significant differences between them, which no counter terrorist expert would agree with.

But to a lesser extent i'd say yes to your question as well. They are both Islamist, but that have completely different understandings of things like Jihad, and how to structure states, whether or not one should participate in democracy, jurisprudential schools of thought, takfiri understandings, etc. Their core ideologies are very different and it has led to a lot of active animosity between groups like the Muslim Brotherhood and international jihadis.

OH ok-----my sense is that circe meant that they BOTH DO TERRORISM ----
therefore-----from the POV of their non-muslim victims----they are pretty much
the same------six of one and half dozen of the other. Terrorism experts
do have to consider favored techniques and favored targets ---and issues
which allow them to make predictions as to FUTURE BEHAVIOR

 

[Osomir]

OH ok-----my sense is that circe meant that they BOTH DO TERRORISM ----
therefore-----from the POV of their non-muslim victims----they are pretty much
the same------six of one and half dozen of the other. Terrorism experts
do have to consider favored techniques and favored targets ---and issues
which allow them to make predictions as to FUTURE BEHAVIOR

I wouldn't say that the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood is a terrorist organization. Hamas has an armed terrorist wing (the al Qassam Brigade) but not the Egyptian branch.

 

[irosie91]

OH ok-----my sense is that circe meant that they BOTH DO TERRORISM ----
therefore-----from the POV of their non-muslim victims----they are pretty much
the same------six of one and half dozen of the other. Terrorism experts
do have to consider favored techniques and favored targets ---and issues
which allow them to make predictions as to FUTURE BEHAVIOR

I wouldn't say that the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood is a terrorist organization. Hamas has an armed terrorist wing (the al Qassam Brigade) but not the Egyptian branch.

ok----it is organized as something like a political party------so was the Nazi party in
1933 ---also, technically not a "terrorist organization" other than in the
eyes of their victims

some people claim that Hezbollah is not a terrorist organization-----

When I was a kid----I lived in a part of the world that harbored the
homes of some Mafia people------Some people there claimed that
the term "MAFIA" is just a perjorative and ----as an "organization"
it does not exist. -------but----there were still body parts floating to the
surface--------that detached themselves from the weighted corpses
that had been dropped into the local river------several times per year

 

[Osomir]

ok----it is organized as something like a political party------so was the Nazi party in
1933 ---also, technically not a "terrorist organization" other than in the
eyes of their victims

Right, but they don't engage in armed terrorist attacks, they gave that up almost half a century ago, nor do they advocate the killing of civilians. The Nazis did, so I'm not sure why you would be comparing the two?

What victims are you talking about?

some people claim that Hezbollah is not a terrorist organization-----

They are.

 

[irosie91]

ok----it is organized as something like a political party------so was the Nazi party in
1933 ---also, technically not a "terrorist organization" other than in the
eyes of their victims

Right, but they don't engage in armed terrorist attacks, they gave that up almost half a century ago, nor do they advocate the killing of civilians. The Nazis did, so I'm not sure why you would be comparing the two?

What victims are you talking about?

some people claim that Hezbollah is not a terrorist organization-----

They are.

How would I know who their victims are or were------I learned all about the AL AZHAR--
concept of HOW TO DO IT-----more than 45 years ago ----A very nice pakistani surgeon
explained it to me ----the scholars of finely tuned koranic logic---of AL AZHAR
University----determined that if a terrorist does not WEAR A UNIFORM---or
claim membership in an ARMY------he can murder with impunity----by either
getting killed ON SITE----or escaping to the loving arms of his BROTHERS SINCE
the murderer is either dead or a FREE AGENT----no country or military or organization
can be blamed Your pal SHAYKH MUHUMMAD ABDEL RAHMAN is a top
notch highly esteemed scholar of islamic law----from Al Azhar U-----his following is MB
boys In my whole life----I met only one victim of that living lump of excrement

She survived the 1993 bombing of the WORLD TRADE CENTER with some light
injuries--------I never met the dead of that event


you want to tell me that the good SHAYKH MUHUMMAD ABDEL RAHMAN is not
from a terrorist organization because he does not wear a uniform ----go right
ahead----------for my part AL AZHAR U. is a terrorist organization

 

[Osomir]

How would I know who their victims are or were------I learned all about the AL AZHAR--
concept of HOW TO DO IT-----more than 45 years ago ----A very nice pakistani surgeon
explained it to me ----the scholars of finely tuned koranic logic---of AL AZHAR
University----determined that if a terrorist does not WEAR A UNIFORM---or
claim membership in an ARMY------he can murder with impunity----by either
getting killed ON SITE----or escaping to the loving arms of his BROTHERS SINCE
the murderer is either dead or a FREE AGENT----no country or military or organization
can be blamed Your pal SHAYKH MUHUMMAD ABDEL RAHMAN is a top
notch highly esteemed scholar of islamic law----from Al Azhar U-----his following is MB
boys In my whole life----I met only one victim of that living lump of excrement

She survived the 1993 bombing of the WORLD TRADE CENTER with some light
injuries--------I never met the dead of that event


you want to tell me that the good SHAYKH MUHUMMAD ABDEL RAHMAN is not
from a terrorist organization because he does not wear a uniform ----go right
ahead----------for my part AL AZHAR U. is a terrorist organization

He is a terrorist, but he isn't Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood, he was the leader of the Egyptian Islamic Group (Gamaa al-Islamiyya). In fact he broke ranks with the official Muslim Brotherhood specifically because of the Brotherhood's dedication to non-violence in Egypt (a path he disagreed with).

As a side note, the head of the Al Azhar University during 9/11 (Muhammad Sayyid Tantawi) strongly and very publicly condemned the attack.

Also as a side note his name is Omar (also spelled Umar), not Muhammad. Omar Abdel-Rahman.

 

[irosie91]

How would I know who their victims are or were------I learned all about the AL AZHAR--
concept of HOW TO DO IT-----more than 45 years ago ----A very nice pakistani surgeon
explained it to me ----the scholars of finely tuned koranic logic---of AL AZHAR
University----determined that if a terrorist does not WEAR A UNIFORM---or
claim membership in an ARMY------he can murder with impunity----by either
getting killed ON SITE----or escaping to the loving arms of his BROTHERS SINCE
the murderer is either dead or a FREE AGENT----no country or military or organization
can be blamed Your pal SHAYKH MUHUMMAD ABDEL RAHMAN is a top
notch highly esteemed scholar of islamic law----from Al Azhar U-----his following is MB
boys In my whole life----I met only one victim of that living lump of excrement

She survived the 1993 bombing of the WORLD TRADE CENTER with some light
injuries--------I never met the dead of that event


you want to tell me that the good SHAYKH MUHUMMAD ABDEL RAHMAN is not
from a terrorist organization because he does not wear a uniform ----go right
ahead----------for my part AL AZHAR U. is a terrorist organization

He is a terrorist, but he isn't Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood, he was the leader of the Egyptian Islamic Group (Gamaa al-Islamiyya). In fact he broke ranks with the official Muslim Brotherhood specifically because of the Brotherhood's dedication to non-violence in Egypt (a path he disagreed with).

As a side note, the head of the Al Azhar University during 9/11 (Muhammad Sayyid Tantawi) strongly and very publicly condemned the attack.

Also as a side note his name is Omar (also spelled Umar), not Muhammad. Omar Abdel-Rahman.

Try again----the fact that OMAR ABDEL RAHMAN ---THE DISGUSTING PIG broke
with the MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD is simply a window dressing as is Tantawi's
PUBLIC condemnation. Right now -----the pig sty---AL AZHAR and THE MB
DOGS and MORSI are fighting for the freeing of their GREAT HERO ---pig
OMAR ABDEL so they can kiss his ass In fact----no one is objecting to that
"NOBLE" endeavor from your side A new fartwah from the pig sty-----KILL
ANYONE WHO PROTESTS THE MB. Your desperate attempt to cover the filth
of the AL AZHAR and MB alliance is ------simply silly. Reminds me of the
MUCH TOO LITTLE AND MUCH TOO LATE objections to the bombings of
Buddhist art in Afghanistan.

getting back to 9-11-01 try as you will-----you cannot erase the JUBILATION
thruout the UMMAH including in Egypt------PLUS ----the usual libels "it was
the jOOOOOOS WHO DUNN IT"----so prevalent that walk around interviews with
young egyptians in Cairo at that time produced "ALL THE JOOOOS CALLED IN
SICK THAT DAY"------or even "THEY WERE ALL ON VACATION" Did the kids
INVENT that crap on their own------I heard it from the lips of seven year olds
in Queens, New York spoken with the same level of conviction that five year
old christian kids in the USA talk about SANTA CLAUS

you have some citations on the CONDEMNATION of the campaign to free the pig---
from AL AZHAR-----or even a repudiation of the pig shaykh abdel rahman---from
that august institution? in fact-----it will not even deign to repudiate suicide pig
and slut bombings

PS next time your guys want to create libels-----tell them not to make it
so obvious that the LIBELS were cooked up before the GLORIOUS JIHADS
were accomplished

 

[Osomir]

Try again----the fact that OMAR ABDEL RAHMAN ---THE DISGUSTING PIG broke
with the MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD is simply a window dressing as is Tantawi's
PUBLIC condemnation.

Do you have any supporting evidence of that? Tantawi even fired any cleric who even suggested that jihad against the west might be justifiable.

Right now -----the pig sty---AL AZHAR and THE MB
DOGS and MORSI are fighting for the freeing of their GREAT HERO ---pig
OMAR ABDEL so they can kiss his ass

No one is fighting to "free" him. The goal was to transfer him into Egyptian custody. His criminal charges were never in danger of being dropped.

A new fartwah from the pig sty-----KILL
ANYONE WHO PROTESTS THE MB.

Anyone can issue a fatwa, that doesn't make it a metapolicy of either institution.

 

[irosie91]

Try again----the fact that OMAR ABDEL RAHMAN ---THE DISGUSTING PIG broke
with the MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD is simply a window dressing as is Tantawi's
PUBLIC condemnation.

Do you have any supporting evidence of that? Tantawi even fired any cleric who even suggested that jihad against the west might be justifiable.


****so ? he publically "fired" people who publically repudiated his public sham ----
I AM SOOO IMPRESSED I would be a little impressed if he
openly and publically repudiated all suicide sluts by name---or
even just those whose ass bombs killed american citizens
What are you calling "the west"?

Right now -----the pig sty---AL AZHAR and THE MB
DOGS and MORSI are fighting for the freeing of their GREAT HERO ---pig
OMAR ABDEL so they can kiss his ass

No one is fighting to "free" him. The goal was to transfer him into Egyptian custody. His criminal charges were never in danger of being dropped.


Correct----the US is not going to drop the murder charges---he is a
HERO to the MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD AND AL AZHAR U. scholars
of koranic law. Not hard to claim he is "under house arrest"----he
is already rotting from his feet up-----he can't go anywhere anyway----
You got that statement from AL AZHAR that "SHAYKH RAHMAN IS
A FILTHY MURDERING PIG AND DISCHARGED FROM HIS POSITION
AS PROFESSOR OF KORANIC LAW"????? You got the footage of
people screaming "DEATH TO SHAYKH RAHMAN, ALLAHUAKBAR" ??

A new fartwah from the pig sty-----KILL
ANYONE WHO PROTESTS THE MB.

Anyone can issue a fatwa, that doesn't make it a metapolicy of either institution.

Try again FARTWAHS issued by the FACULTY of the AL AZHAR U. school
of KORANIC LAW-------are considered authoritative by sunni muslims around the
world------you got the statement from al azhar that the pig who grunted out that one
has been expelled from his position? ------oh I know----play me the old one
" WE DO NOT HAVE A POPE " "WE ALL INTERPRET THE KORAN ON OUR OWN"

 

[Osomir]

Try again FARTWAHS issued by the FACULTY of the AL AZHAR U. school
of KORANIC LAW-------are considered authoritative by sunni muslims around the
world------you got the statement from al azhar that the pig who grunted out that one
has been expelled from his position? ------oh I know----play me the old one
" WE DO NOT HAVE A POPE " "WE ALL INTERPRET THE KORAN ON OUR OWN"

Ignoring the central ideological structure of an entire religion simply to strengthen your own position is a bit dishonest.