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Britain’s oldest serving Member of Parliament and a veteran lawmaker for the opposition Labour party, Gerald Kaufman, died on Sunday at the age of 86.

The British-born child of Polish Jewish immigrants, Kaufman was one of the few prominent Jewish politicians in Britain. He was also a well-known and strident critic of Israel, calling for sanctions against the Jewish state over its policies toward the Palestinians and comparing Israel Defense Force soldiers to Nazis.

The Labour party leader, Jeremy Corbyn, paid tribute to Kaufman, saying he was an “iconic and irascible figure in the Labour party”. He added: “He loved life and politics. I will deeply miss him, both for his political commitment and constant friendship.”
Sir Gerald Kaufman, Labour MP for Manchester Gorton, dies aged 86

"Israel was born out of Jewish Terrorism"
 

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Britain’s oldest serving Member of Parliament and a veteran lawmaker for the opposition Labour party, Gerald Kaufman, died on Sunday at the age of 86.

The British-born child of Polish Jewish immigrants, Kaufman was one of the few prominent Jewish politicians in Britain. He was also a well-known and strident critic of Israel, calling for sanctions against the Jewish state over its policies toward the Palestinians and comparing Israel Defense Force soldiers to Nazis.

The Labour party leader, Jeremy Corbyn, paid tribute to Kaufman, saying he was an “iconic and irascible figure in the Labour party”. He added: “He loved life and politics. I will deeply miss him, both for his political commitment and constant friendship.”
Sir Gerald Kaufman, Labour MP for Manchester Gorton, dies aged 86

"Israel was born out of Jewish Terrorism"
He was a Good Bloke Gerald Kaufman,Eloy.....NOT LIKE the present Prime Minister of Britain,Teresa May, who is a Rabid Zionist...........steve
 

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It's a chance for Corbyn to show how great he is. Labour could put a monkey up in that ward and still win, but watch as Corbyn pumps it up as proof everyone loves him.
 
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It's a chance for Corbyn to show how great he is. Labour could put a monkey up in that ward and still win, but watch as Corbyn pumps it up as proof everyone loves him.
Jeremy Corbyn did pay a fitting tribute to Gerald Kaufman.
As I understand it, the constituency Labour membership do the selecting of a candidate for the by-election.
Jeremy Corbyn is trying his best to change Labour back to a socialist party after New Labour had ruined it. It is no easy task given the large number of New Labour MPs who are continuing to demolish Labour with their refusal to let Jeremy get on with the job.
 

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Britain’s oldest serving Member of Parliament and a veteran lawmaker for the opposition Labour party, Gerald Kaufman, died on Sunday at the age of 86.

The British-born child of Polish Jewish immigrants, Kaufman was one of the few prominent Jewish politicians in Britain. He was also a well-known and strident critic of Israel, calling for sanctions against the Jewish state over its policies toward the Palestinians and comparing Israel Defense Force soldiers to Nazis.

The Labour party leader, Jeremy Corbyn, paid tribute to Kaufman, saying he was an “iconic and irascible figure in the Labour party”. He added: “He loved life and politics. I will deeply miss him, both for his political commitment and constant friendship.”
Sir Gerald Kaufman, Labour MP for Manchester Gorton, dies aged 86

"Israel was born out of Jewish Terrorism"

So he compared the Zionists to Nazi's? What did he compare the Sudanese Muslims to when they were carrying out genocide against the Christians in the Sudan?

What did he compare ISIS to in Syria when they were doing the same to Christians there as well?

Funny, I don't recall a Zionist genocide.

I reckon Europe will be apart of the Zionist solution. After all, it's not like they destroyed their ovens. They are still on display at various museums. All they have to do is fire them back up.
 

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It's a chance for Corbyn to show how great he is. Labour could put a monkey up in that ward and still win, but watch as Corbyn pumps it up as proof everyone loves him.
Jeremy Corbyn did pay a fitting tribute to Gerald Kaufman.
As I understand it, the constituency Labour membership do the selecting of a candidate for the by-election.
Jeremy Corbyn is trying his best to change Labour back to a socialist party after New Labour had ruined it. It is no easy task given the large number of New Labour MPs who are continuing to demolish Labour with their refusal to let Jeremy get on with the job.

Yes, New Labour destroyed the old Labour Party being unelectable and completely useless, the Socialists and Communists are taking it right back to the depths of nothingness it once was.

Yes, the New Labour people really are bad for destroying something that could get elected.

Do you know when the last time old Labour won a General Election?

1974. Yeah, in 43 years they haven't won an election. 43 years, and they're trying to go back to that. Are you kidding me? The people in Copeland showed what they think of Corbyn. They have never, ever lost Copeland, it's been Labour every day since it was formed in 1983. Copeland was mostly Whitehaven before that and hadn't been Tory since 1931. Yeah, that's what Corbyn has done. He has not only managed to lose a Labour seat that's been Labour for 85 years, but he did it in opposition when opposition parties generally do BETTER in by-elections. I mean, it's an absolute disaster, Corbyn is a disaster and Labour are moving themselves out of being a viable party.
 
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It's a chance for Corbyn to show how great he is. Labour could put a monkey up in that ward and still win, but watch as Corbyn pumps it up as proof everyone loves him.
Jeremy Corbyn did pay a fitting tribute to Gerald Kaufman.
As I understand it, the constituency Labour membership do the selecting of a candidate for the by-election.
Jeremy Corbyn is trying his best to change Labour back to a socialist party after New Labour had ruined it. It is no easy task given the large number of New Labour MPs who are continuing to demolish Labour with their refusal to let Jeremy get on with the job.

Yes, New Labour destroyed the old Labour Party being unelectable and completely useless, the Socialists and Communists are taking it right back to the depths of nothingness it once was.

Yes, the New Labour people really are bad for destroying something that could get elected.

Do you know when the last time old Labour won a General Election?

1974. Yeah, in 43 years they haven't won an election. 43 years, and they're trying to go back to that. Are you kidding me? The people in Copeland showed what they think of Corbyn. They have never, ever lost Copeland, it's been Labour every day since it was formed in 1983. Copeland was mostly Whitehaven before that and hadn't been Tory since 1931. Yeah, that's what Corbyn has done. He has not only managed to lose a Labour seat that's been Labour for 85 years, but he did it in opposition when opposition parties generally do BETTER in by-elections. I mean, it's an absolute disaster, Corbyn is a disaster and Labour are moving themselves out of being a viable party.
If becoming a Tory is the price of getting elected, then New Labour was the answer. This is the cause of Labour losing its base. It is absolutely no wonder the Scottish returned only one Labour candidate to Westminster. The working class were taken for granted by New Labour and look what happened.
 

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It's a chance for Corbyn to show how great he is. Labour could put a monkey up in that ward and still win, but watch as Corbyn pumps it up as proof everyone loves him.
Jeremy Corbyn did pay a fitting tribute to Gerald Kaufman.
As I understand it, the constituency Labour membership do the selecting of a candidate for the by-election.
Jeremy Corbyn is trying his best to change Labour back to a socialist party after New Labour had ruined it. It is no easy task given the large number of New Labour MPs who are continuing to demolish Labour with their refusal to let Jeremy get on with the job.

Yes, New Labour destroyed the old Labour Party being unelectable and completely useless, the Socialists and Communists are taking it right back to the depths of nothingness it once was.

Yes, the New Labour people really are bad for destroying something that could get elected.

Do you know when the last time old Labour won a General Election?

1974. Yeah, in 43 years they haven't won an election. 43 years, and they're trying to go back to that. Are you kidding me? The people in Copeland showed what they think of Corbyn. They have never, ever lost Copeland, it's been Labour every day since it was formed in 1983. Copeland was mostly Whitehaven before that and hadn't been Tory since 1931. Yeah, that's what Corbyn has done. He has not only managed to lose a Labour seat that's been Labour for 85 years, but he did it in opposition when opposition parties generally do BETTER in by-elections. I mean, it's an absolute disaster, Corbyn is a disaster and Labour are moving themselves out of being a viable party.
If becoming a Tory is the price of getting elected, then New Labour was the answer. This is the cause of Labour losing its base. It is absolutely no wonder the Scottish returned only one Labour candidate to Westminster. The working class were taken for granted by New Labour and look what happened.

Two choices.

The first is the Tories in power, destroying the NHS, destroying education, destroying most things.
The second choice is a Labour that is electable, which does some things which aren't great, but doesn't destroy the fabric of the NHS or education.

Really the problem is the system is broken and the two main parties won't change to PR, sounds like the US, so they look after themselves and end up with policies like too much immigration which in turn destroys the fabric of society. Really you can't win.
 
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It's a chance for Corbyn to show how great he is. Labour could put a monkey up in that ward and still win, but watch as Corbyn pumps it up as proof everyone loves him.
Jeremy Corbyn did pay a fitting tribute to Gerald Kaufman.
As I understand it, the constituency Labour membership do the selecting of a candidate for the by-election.
Jeremy Corbyn is trying his best to change Labour back to a socialist party after New Labour had ruined it. It is no easy task given the large number of New Labour MPs who are continuing to demolish Labour with their refusal to let Jeremy get on with the job.

Yes, New Labour destroyed the old Labour Party being unelectable and completely useless, the Socialists and Communists are taking it right back to the depths of nothingness it once was.

Yes, the New Labour people really are bad for destroying something that could get elected.

Do you know when the last time old Labour won a General Election?

1974. Yeah, in 43 years they haven't won an election. 43 years, and they're trying to go back to that. Are you kidding me? The people in Copeland showed what they think of Corbyn. They have never, ever lost Copeland, it's been Labour every day since it was formed in 1983. Copeland was mostly Whitehaven before that and hadn't been Tory since 1931. Yeah, that's what Corbyn has done. He has not only managed to lose a Labour seat that's been Labour for 85 years, but he did it in opposition when opposition parties generally do BETTER in by-elections. I mean, it's an absolute disaster, Corbyn is a disaster and Labour are moving themselves out of being a viable party.
If becoming a Tory is the price of getting elected, then New Labour was the answer. This is the cause of Labour losing its base. It is absolutely no wonder the Scottish returned only one Labour candidate to Westminster. The working class were taken for granted by New Labour and look what happened.

Two choices.

The first is the Tories in power, destroying the NHS, destroying education, destroying most things.
The second choice is a Labour that is electable, which does some things which aren't great, but doesn't destroy the fabric of the NHS or education.

Really the problem is the system is broken and the two main parties won't change to PR, sounds like the US, so they look after themselves and end up with policies like too much immigration which in turn destroys the fabric of society. Really you can't win.
Gerald Kaufman was never New Labour.
A party that is divided cannot win an election either. It may take more than two Leaders to rid Labour of the Blair devotees. It is their unwillingness to get in-line that is costing Labour dearly.
 

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Truth on both sides of this. I like Corbyn but he has made some strange decisions.
I also feel the party needs to cleanse itself and unify.

New labour was/is pro bombing,pro privatisation,pro trident, pro pfi and weak on things like tax avoidance. Their attitude to devolution is inconsistent as well.

Corbyn is sound on these issues but has shed support with his stance on Europe and generally poor strategy on opposing tory cuts.

Its an open door at the moment . Why cant they land a blow ?
 
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Truth on both sides of this. I like Corbyn but he has made some strange decisions.
I also feel the party needs to cleanse itself and unify.

New labour was/is pro bombing,pro privatisation,pro trident, pro pfi and weak on things like tax avoidance. Their attitude to devolution is inconsistent as well.

Corbyn is sound on these issues but has shed support with his stance on Europe and generally poor strategy on opposing tory cuts.

Its an open door at the moment . Why cant they land a blow ?
In England, the press (with the exception of the Daily Mirror) and TV have been against Jeremy Corbyn in like measure as they support the Tories. This means what he stands for does not get coverage except in a hostile vein.

Ordinary working class voters are uninformed as a consequence. Of course, Corbyn has no charisma and he is partly to blame for shying away from reporters. He needs to use the media better but this might just be too hard for him.
 

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Truth on both sides of this. I like Corbyn but he has made some strange decisions.
I also feel the party needs to cleanse itself and unify.

New labour was/is pro bombing,pro privatisation,pro trident, pro pfi and weak on things like tax avoidance. Their attitude to devolution is inconsistent as well.

Corbyn is sound on these issues but has shed support with his stance on Europe and generally poor strategy on opposing tory cuts.

Its an open door at the moment . Why cant they land a blow ?
In England, the press (with the exception of the Daily Mirror) and TV have been against Jeremy Corbyn in like measure as they support the Tories. This means what he stands for does not get coverage except in a hostile vein.

Ordinary working class voters are uninformed as a consequence. Of course, Corbyn has no charisma and he is partly to blame for shying away from reporters. He needs to use the media better but this might just be too hard for him.
The press in the UK is amazing isnt it ?

I think he has taken a wrong turn on Europe. I think he would be happy in or out of the EU.
His focus is currently on two things and I think it is twisting him into positions that are uncomfortable.
He is loathe to oppose brexit because he feels that he would lose seats to ukip in the shit hole seats.

He also has to be wary of the blairites still in the party.

He would be better off backing the membership who want to stay in Europe and then concentrating on the NHS, reversing academy schools and nailing the corporate tax avoiders.

Your average thick fucker watching tv in his vest isnt going to back labour because they arent opposing brexit.

Ive just re-read this and it is as confusing as the labour position. Very.
 
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Truth on both sides of this. I like Corbyn but he has made some strange decisions.
I also feel the party needs to cleanse itself and unify.

New labour was/is pro bombing,pro privatisation,pro trident, pro pfi and weak on things like tax avoidance. Their attitude to devolution is inconsistent as well.

Corbyn is sound on these issues but has shed support with his stance on Europe and generally poor strategy on opposing tory cuts.

Its an open door at the moment . Why cant they land a blow ?
In England, the press (with the exception of the Daily Mirror) and TV have been against Jeremy Corbyn in like measure as they support the Tories. This means what he stands for does not get coverage except in a hostile vein.

Ordinary working class voters are uninformed as a consequence. Of course, Corbyn has no charisma and he is partly to blame for shying away from reporters. He needs to use the media better but this might just be too hard for him.
The press in the UK is amazing isnt it ?

I think he has taken a wrong turn on Europe. I think he would be happy in or out of the EU.
His focus is currently on two things and I think it is twisting him into positions that are uncomfortable.
He is loathe to oppose brexit because he feels that he would lose seats to ukip in the shit hole seats.

He also has to be wary of the blairites still in the party.

He would be better off backing the membership who want to stay in Europe and then concentrating on the NHS, reversing academy schools and nailing the corporate tax avoiders.

Your average thick fucker watching tv in his vest isnt going to back labour because they arent opposing brexit.

Ive just re-read this and it is as confusing as the labour position. Very.
I do agree with you that Labour should have taken a stronger stance on remaining in the European Union. Instead, the Liberal Democrats are beginning to pick themselves up and have a real possibility of getting votes from the 48% of the British public who never wanted to leave in the first place.

A problem for Labour is that most of its supporters voted to leave and, consequently, the MPs are petrified of getting the boot from the electorate. This is the mistake Labour made, like a hare caught in the beam of a flashlight. The Liberal Democrats have backed a winner policy for two reasons. In England the Liberals are the only party going after the 48% and secondly, as the realization of losing access to the single market of 27 other countries becomes clear and development areas and farmers lose subsidies, those voters who voted leave will be changing their minds and finding the Liberals are right. It is not too late for Labour to persuade the electorate that it is pro-EU but it has lost momentum. Jeremy Corbyn is to blame for this.
 

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Truth on both sides of this. I like Corbyn but he has made some strange decisions.
I also feel the party needs to cleanse itself and unify.

New labour was/is pro bombing,pro privatisation,pro trident, pro pfi and weak on things like tax avoidance. Their attitude to devolution is inconsistent as well.

Corbyn is sound on these issues but has shed support with his stance on Europe and generally poor strategy on opposing tory cuts.

Its an open door at the moment . Why cant they land a blow ?
In England, the press (with the exception of the Daily Mirror) and TV have been against Jeremy Corbyn in like measure as they support the Tories. This means what he stands for does not get coverage except in a hostile vein.

Ordinary working class voters are uninformed as a consequence. Of course, Corbyn has no charisma and he is partly to blame for shying away from reporters. He needs to use the media better but this might just be too hard for him.
The press in the UK is amazing isnt it ?

I think he has taken a wrong turn on Europe. I think he would be happy in or out of the EU.
His focus is currently on two things and I think it is twisting him into positions that are uncomfortable.
He is loathe to oppose brexit because he feels that he would lose seats to ukip in the shit hole seats.

He also has to be wary of the blairites still in the party.

He would be better off backing the membership who want to stay in Europe and then concentrating on the NHS, reversing academy schools and nailing the corporate tax avoiders.

Your average thick fucker watching tv in his vest isnt going to back labour because they arent opposing brexit.

Ive just re-read this and it is as confusing as the labour position. Very.
I do agree with you that Labour should have taken a stronger stance on remaining in the European Union. Instead, the Liberal Democrats are beginning to pick themselves up and have a real possibility of getting votes from the 48% of the British public who never wanted to leave in the first place.

A problem for Labour is that most of its supporters voted to leave and, consequently, the MPs are petrified of getting the boot from the electorate. This is the mistake Labour made, like a hare caught in the beam of a flashlight. The Liberal Democrats have backed a winner policy for two reasons. In England the Liberals are the only party going after the 48% and secondly, as the realization of losing access to the single market of 27 other countries becomes clear and development areas and farmers lose subsidies, those voters who voted leave will be changing their minds and finding the Liberals are right. It is not too late for Labour to persuade the electorate that it is pro-EU but it has lost momentum. Jeremy Corbyn is to blame for this.
Its a rerun of the 80s. Sentiment has shifted to the right as it always does when times are tough.

People arent pissed off enough with May yet.
Problem is labour are too interested in fighting each other rather than thrashing out a strategy.

Left wing thinkers are generally brighter than the tories and will "generally" come up with better ideas.

Whether that is labour,liberal, green or the nationalists is another matter.

I have voted for all of them in my time.

At some point the tide will turn and people will reject the tories. The key is to ensure the damage they cause is as limited as possible.
 

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It's a chance for Corbyn to show how great he is. Labour could put a monkey up in that ward and still win, but watch as Corbyn pumps it up as proof everyone loves him.
Jeremy Corbyn did pay a fitting tribute to Gerald Kaufman.
As I understand it, the constituency Labour membership do the selecting of a candidate for the by-election.
Jeremy Corbyn is trying his best to change Labour back to a socialist party after New Labour had ruined it. It is no easy task given the large number of New Labour MPs who are continuing to demolish Labour with their refusal to let Jeremy get on with the job.

Yes, New Labour destroyed the old Labour Party being unelectable and completely useless, the Socialists and Communists are taking it right back to the depths of nothingness it once was.

Yes, the New Labour people really are bad for destroying something that could get elected.

Do you know when the last time old Labour won a General Election?

1974. Yeah, in 43 years they haven't won an election. 43 years, and they're trying to go back to that. Are you kidding me? The people in Copeland showed what they think of Corbyn. They have never, ever lost Copeland, it's been Labour every day since it was formed in 1983. Copeland was mostly Whitehaven before that and hadn't been Tory since 1931. Yeah, that's what Corbyn has done. He has not only managed to lose a Labour seat that's been Labour for 85 years, but he did it in opposition when opposition parties generally do BETTER in by-elections. I mean, it's an absolute disaster, Corbyn is a disaster and Labour are moving themselves out of being a viable party.
If becoming a Tory is the price of getting elected, then New Labour was the answer. This is the cause of Labour losing its base. It is absolutely no wonder the Scottish returned only one Labour candidate to Westminster. The working class were taken for granted by New Labour and look what happened.

Two choices.

The first is the Tories in power, destroying the NHS, destroying education, destroying most things.
The second choice is a Labour that is electable, which does some things which aren't great, but doesn't destroy the fabric of the NHS or education.

Really the problem is the system is broken and the two main parties won't change to PR, sounds like the US, so they look after themselves and end up with policies like too much immigration which in turn destroys the fabric of society. Really you can't win.
Gerald Kaufman was never New Labour.
A party that is divided cannot win an election either. It may take more than two Leaders to rid Labour of the Blair devotees. It is their unwillingness to get in-line that is costing Labour dearly.

Well, you're wrong about a divided party not being able to win. New Labour was divided many times over. You had Blair v. Brown, you had New Labour v. Old Labour, you had the Communists and Socialists hating Blair for the whole time. The only reason they jumped on board was because he could win, that doesn't mean they weren't trying to stab in the back at every single opportunity.

If Labour get rid of Blair's lot, then they'll never win an election again.
 

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Britain’s oldest serving Member of Parliament and a veteran lawmaker for the opposition Labour party, Gerald Kaufman, died on Sunday at the age of 86.

The British-born child of Polish Jewish immigrants, Kaufman was one of the few prominent Jewish politicians in Britain. He was also a well-known and strident critic of Israel, calling for sanctions against the Jewish state over its policies toward the Palestinians and comparing Israel Defense Force soldiers to Nazis.

The Labour party leader, Jeremy Corbyn, paid tribute to Kaufman, saying he was an “iconic and irascible figure in the Labour party”. He added: “He loved life and politics. I will deeply miss him, both for his political commitment and constant friendship.”
Sir Gerald Kaufman, Labour MP for Manchester Gorton, dies aged 86

"Israel was born out of Jewish Terrorism"

So he compared the Zionists to Nazi's? What did he compare the Sudanese Muslims to when they were carrying out genocide against the Christians in the Sudan?

What did he compare ISIS to in Syria when they were doing the same to Christians there as well?

Funny, I don't recall a Zionist genocide.

I reckon Europe will be apart of the Zionist solution. After all, it's not like they destroyed their ovens. They are still on display at various museums. All they have to do is fire them back up.
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