British raid on terror group finds rifles and pistols...don't the terrorists know they banned guns?

[JakeStarkey]

Your 42% means nothing if the numbers are abysmally low, which they are.

90 to 5 at the highest? Son, we have the problem, because we have much looser laws.

 

[JakeStarkey]

80 to 100 Americans are shot dead every single day.

The Brits may have 5 in a day, if they are very unlucky.

Of those killed.....70-80% of those killed are actual criminals....and of the rest, many of them are friends and family of the criminals....and the killings are isolated to tiny, tiny areas of our democrat run cities....

And how is that different from UK?

And the 11000 thousand suicides cut across race, class, earnings, religion, etc. Stop your lying, 2aguy.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Your numbers still don't add up. We commit far more murder and rape and other crimes than the Brits.

You lose at this every. single. time./

 

[pwjohn]

Yep......pure dumb luck...the only thing that has kept Britain from having a mass shooting since they banned guns for law abiding citizens.

Last year a 19 year old got a Glock 19 on the dark web to shoot up his school....he bragged about it on Facebook and was arrested before the act...

Now.....terrorists are caught with rifles and pistols...in Britain...where they banned guns.....

Hey...anti gunners...do you know if the British gun ban actually applied to criminals and terrorists....? Or did they just ban guns for law abiding Brits who wouldn't use them for crime or terrorism?



Men jailed after counter-terror raid uncovers horde of guns

90 people were shot and killed over here today. None were shot and killed over there.

That's the diff between us and them.

That is the difference between our criminals and their criminals.....exactly. Our criminals kill often, theirs use their guns to rape and rob, but don't kill....

Say what???

 

[idb]

2aguy, by his logic, wants the bad guys to have guns. OK, Brit cops: give them back. Right now. (2aguy stamps foot)

Wow...drinking again?

Then why take their guns?

They already took guns away from law abiding people in Britain..the good guys who don't use guns to commit crimes don't have guns....

The criminals have guns......gun crime in London is up 49%.....their gun ban didn't work....they need criminal control, not gun control.

Then why are gun deaths only 1/12th to 1/18th of that in America. Methinks you are fudging numbers again, do stop stomping your foot: you just look stupid.

No shit for brains......

They took guns away from law abiding people and their gun murder rate did not change...in fact, it went up, then went back to where it was at before they took guns away from the law abiding people...showing that guns in the hands of law abiding people didn't increase the gun crime or gun murder rate.....

criminals....... in Britain.....have the guns and used them for rapes, and robberies...but just didn't pull the trigger to kill their victims....

And now....their gun crime rate is way up....due to single, teenage girls having multiple children by multiple boyfriends/babby daddies....

Gun crime in London increases by 42% - BBC News

Gun crime offences in London surged by 42% in the last year, according to official statistics.


The Met Police's figures showed there were 2,544 gun crime offences from April 2016 to April 2017 compared to 1,793 offences from 2015 until 2016.
Knife crime also increased by 24% with 12,074 recorded offences from 2016 to 2017.

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One person killed or badly injured by guns every three days in London

The statistics, obtained by the Standard under Freedom of Information rules, showed that the total number of people threatened, shot at, injured or killed in a shooting rose by almost 80 per cent, compared to 2015 when there were 10 deaths, 52 serious injuries and 322 fewer serious offences.

The figures come as a top surgeon issued a warning over the handguns used by London street gangs which fire low-velocity rounds, causing devastating injuries to victims.

Last year, a total of 691 people were threatened with a gun, shot at, injured or killed in a firearms incident in London.

Twenty-seven people are believed to have been killed in shootings and stabbings in London so far this year, compared with 20 by this time in 2016.

How many people in Britain used guns for self-defence?
I'm guessing that they weren't scared of going to the shop without their firearm so the gun ban hasn't changed anything.

 

[2aguy]

Wow...drinking again?

Then why take their guns?

They already took guns away from law abiding people in Britain..the good guys who don't use guns to commit crimes don't have guns....

The criminals have guns......gun crime in London is up 49%.....their gun ban didn't work....they need criminal control, not gun control.

Then why are gun deaths only 1/12th to 1/18th of that in America. Methinks you are fudging numbers again, do stop stomping your foot: you just look stupid.

No shit for brains......

They took guns away from law abiding people and their gun murder rate did not change...in fact, it went up, then went back to where it was at before they took guns away from the law abiding people...showing that guns in the hands of law abiding people didn't increase the gun crime or gun murder rate.....

criminals....... in Britain.....have the guns and used them for rapes, and robberies...but just didn't pull the trigger to kill their victims....

And now....their gun crime rate is way up....due to single, teenage girls having multiple children by multiple boyfriends/babby daddies....

Gun crime in London increases by 42% - BBC News

Gun crime offences in London surged by 42% in the last year, according to official statistics.


The Met Police's figures showed there were 2,544 gun crime offences from April 2016 to April 2017 compared to 1,793 offences from 2015 until 2016.
Knife crime also increased by 24% with 12,074 recorded offences from 2016 to 2017.

----------------

One person killed or badly injured by guns every three days in London

The statistics, obtained by the Standard under Freedom of Information rules, showed that the total number of people threatened, shot at, injured or killed in a shooting rose by almost 80 per cent, compared to 2015 when there were 10 deaths, 52 serious injuries and 322 fewer serious offences.

The figures come as a top surgeon issued a warning over the handguns used by London street gangs which fire low-velocity rounds, causing devastating injuries to victims.

Last year, a total of 691 people were threatened with a gun, shot at, injured or killed in a firearms incident in London.

Twenty-seven people are believed to have been killed in shootings and stabbings in London so far this year, compared with 20 by this time in 2016.

How many people in Britain used guns for self-defence?
I'm guessing that they weren't scared of going to the shop without their firearm so the gun ban hasn't changed anything.

No...you would be wrong. The British people had guns before the ban....and their gun murder rate was low. They enacted the ban....taking guns away from law abiding people who used guns for sport, collecting, hunting...and self defense.......

Their gun crime rate is now going up, not down, gun crime in London, after the ban is up 42%.....and violent crime is going through the roof all over Britain....

Their gun murder rate before the ban...was low...after the ban, it spiked for years, and then went back to the same level...so violent crime is increasing, including gun crime...the only thing that has yet to go up is actual gun murder...and that will change as the violence level changes....

 

[2aguy]

80 to 100 Americans are shot dead every single day.

The Brits may have 5 in a day, if they are very unlucky.

Of those killed.....70-80% of those killed are actual criminals....and of the rest, many of them are friends and family of the criminals....and the killings are isolated to tiny, tiny areas of our democrat run cities....

And how is that different from UK?

And the 11000 thousand suicides cut across race, class, earnings, religion, etc. Stop your lying, 2aguy.

Our non gun suicide rate was higher than our gun suicide rate for the last two years...and countries that ban guns for law abiding people...Japan, China, South Korea...had higher suicide rates than we did....and European countries with all the gun control you want......had higher suicide rates than we did...

 

[JakeStarkey]

Their gun murder rate is low.

Run along, 2aguy. You are now unable to argue consistently because you have tacked back and forth so many times.

 

[Mudda]

This is like the idiotic anti climate change comment "it was cold today." Boom, climate change debunked.

Hey did you hear that 2 states had done voter fraud investigations. They found literally 10s of ppl out of millions illegally registered. Serious problem. Rampant voter fraud confirmed.

Welfare fraud. I heard once someone was collecting in two states! Abolish the whole thing! Not on my watch are those selfish worthless wretches going to take my hard earned money!

I can go on and on.

Meanwhile real crooks are buying their way out of the types of penalties that petty criminals get put away for.

Maybe you do support this, but by your own logic, hard drugs should be legalized. Because the ban sure as heck ain't workin!

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yeah...you are new....no one is making that argument....we are making the argument that taking guns away from normal, law abiding people doesn't lower the crime rate......what lowers the crime rate is locking up criminals....for violent felons, 30 years needs to be the minumum...

Gun violence rare in U.K. compared to U.S.

 

[2aguy]

This is like the idiotic anti climate change comment "it was cold today." Boom, climate change debunked.

Hey did you hear that 2 states had done voter fraud investigations. They found literally 10s of ppl out of millions illegally registered. Serious problem. Rampant voter fraud confirmed.

Welfare fraud. I heard once someone was collecting in two states! Abolish the whole thing! Not on my watch are those selfish worthless wretches going to take my hard earned money!

I can go on and on.

Meanwhile real crooks are buying their way out of the types of penalties that petty criminals get put away for.

Maybe you do support this, but by your own logic, hard drugs should be legalized. Because the ban sure as heck ain't workin!

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yeah...you are new....no one is making that argument....we are making the argument that taking guns away from normal, law abiding people doesn't lower the crime rate......what lowers the crime rate is locking up criminals....for violent felons, 30 years needs to be the minumum...

Gun violence rare in U.K. compared to U.S.

Yeah......that used to be the case.....now their social welfare state has been destroying the British family, and their culture can no longer civilize the young males raised in single teenage parent homes...

Gun crime in London increases by 42% - BBC News

Gun crime offences in London surged by 42% in the last year, according to official statistics.

The Met Police's figures showed there were 2,544 gun crime offences from April 2016 to April 2017 compared to 1,793 offences from 2015 until 2016.
Knife crime also increased by 24% with 12,074 recorded offences from 2016 to 2017.
============

And this....

One person killed or badly injured by guns every three days in London

The statistics, obtained by the Standard under Freedom of Information rules, showed that the total number of people threatened, shot at, injured or killed in a shooting rose by almost 80 per cent, compared to 2015 when there were 10 deaths, 52 serious injuries and 322 fewer serious offences.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Gun violence in the UK is incredibly rare when compared to the US

 

[Mudda]

This is like the idiotic anti climate change comment "it was cold today." Boom, climate change debunked.

Hey did you hear that 2 states had done voter fraud investigations. They found literally 10s of ppl out of millions illegally registered. Serious problem. Rampant voter fraud confirmed.

Welfare fraud. I heard once someone was collecting in two states! Abolish the whole thing! Not on my watch are those selfish worthless wretches going to take my hard earned money!

I can go on and on.

Meanwhile real crooks are buying their way out of the types of penalties that petty criminals get put away for.

Maybe you do support this, but by your own logic, hard drugs should be legalized. Because the ban sure as heck ain't workin!

Sent from my SM-G930V using USMessageBoard.com mobile app

yeah...you are new....no one is making that argument....we are making the argument that taking guns away from normal, law abiding people doesn't lower the crime rate......what lowers the crime rate is locking up criminals....for violent felons, 30 years needs to be the minumum...

Gun violence rare in U.K. compared to U.S.

Yeah......that used to be the case.....now their social welfare state has been destroying the British family, and their culture can no longer civilize the young males raised in single teenage parent homes...

Gun crime in London increases by 42% - BBC News

Gun crime offences in London surged by 42% in the last year, according to official statistics.

The Met Police's figures showed there were 2,544 gun crime offences from April 2016 to April 2017 compared to 1,793 offences from 2015 until 2016.
Knife crime also increased by 24% with 12,074 recorded offences from 2016 to 2017.
============

And this....

One person killed or badly injured by guns every three days in London

The statistics, obtained by the Standard under Freedom of Information rules, showed that the total number of people threatened, shot at, injured or killed in a shooting rose by almost 80 per cent, compared to 2015 when there were 10 deaths, 52 serious injuries and 322 fewer serious offences.

Still a lot less than in the US. Please try again.

 

[2aguy]

Their gun murder rate is low.

Run along, 2aguy. You are now unable to argue consistently because you have tacked back and forth so many times.

Never said it wasn't......I have accurately pointed out that taking guns away from law abiding British people did not lower their gun murder rate...in fact, after they banned and confiscated guns from normal people...their gun crime and gun murder rates went up.....their gun murder rate, after spiking, went back to the same level as before the ban...but their gun crime rate is increasing....their criminals are getting guns and using them to commit more crimes.....they just aren't committing murder...

Yet.

 

[2aguy]

This is like the idiotic anti climate change comment "it was cold today." Boom, climate change debunked.

Hey did you hear that 2 states had done voter fraud investigations. They found literally 10s of ppl out of millions illegally registered. Serious problem. Rampant voter fraud confirmed.

Welfare fraud. I heard once someone was collecting in two states! Abolish the whole thing! Not on my watch are those selfish worthless wretches going to take my hard earned money!

I can go on and on.

Meanwhile real crooks are buying their way out of the types of penalties that petty criminals get put away for.

Maybe you do support this, but by your own logic, hard drugs should be legalized. Because the ban sure as heck ain't workin!

Sent from my SM-G930V using USMessageBoard.com mobile app

yeah...you are new....no one is making that argument....we are making the argument that taking guns away from normal, law abiding people doesn't lower the crime rate......what lowers the crime rate is locking up criminals....for violent felons, 30 years needs to be the minumum...

Gun violence rare in U.K. compared to U.S.

Yeah......that used to be the case.....now their social welfare state has been destroying the British family, and their culture can no longer civilize the young males raised in single teenage parent homes...

Gun crime in London increases by 42% - BBC News

Gun crime offences in London surged by 42% in the last year, according to official statistics.

The Met Police's figures showed there were 2,544 gun crime offences from April 2016 to April 2017 compared to 1,793 offences from 2015 until 2016.
Knife crime also increased by 24% with 12,074 recorded offences from 2016 to 2017.
============

And this....

One person killed or badly injured by guns every three days in London

The statistics, obtained by the Standard under Freedom of Information rules, showed that the total number of people threatened, shot at, injured or killed in a shooting rose by almost 80 per cent, compared to 2015 when there were 10 deaths, 52 serious injuries and 322 fewer serious offences.

Still a lot less than in the US. Please try again.

There is no trying again......

You twits tell us that bannign guns will lower the gun crime and gun murder rate...Britain shows that you are wrong on both counts....

Then, you go to the United States where we have more guns than ever before, and more people than ever before are carrrying them for self defense....and the facts who you are wrong again...

You don't understand the dynamic involved.....and that the gun ban is making British people less safe...as the young males created by their social welfare state are becoming more violent, and more prone to murder.....

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400 million guns in private hands and over 15 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2016...guess what happened...
-- gun murder down 49%
--gun crime down 75%
--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

 

[Mudda]

This is like the idiotic anti climate change comment "it was cold today." Boom, climate change debunked.

Hey did you hear that 2 states had done voter fraud investigations. They found literally 10s of ppl out of millions illegally registered. Serious problem. Rampant voter fraud confirmed.

Welfare fraud. I heard once someone was collecting in two states! Abolish the whole thing! Not on my watch are those selfish worthless wretches going to take my hard earned money!

I can go on and on.

Meanwhile real crooks are buying their way out of the types of penalties that petty criminals get put away for.

Maybe you do support this, but by your own logic, hard drugs should be legalized. Because the ban sure as heck ain't workin!

Sent from my SM-G930V using USMessageBoard.com mobile app

yeah...you are new....no one is making that argument....we are making the argument that taking guns away from normal, law abiding people doesn't lower the crime rate......what lowers the crime rate is locking up criminals....for violent felons, 30 years needs to be the minumum...

Gun violence rare in U.K. compared to U.S.

Yeah......that used to be the case.....now their social welfare state has been destroying the British family, and their culture can no longer civilize the young males raised in single teenage parent homes...

Gun crime in London increases by 42% - BBC News

Gun crime offences in London surged by 42% in the last year, according to official statistics.

The Met Police's figures showed there were 2,544 gun crime offences from April 2016 to April 2017 compared to 1,793 offences from 2015 until 2016.
Knife crime also increased by 24% with 12,074 recorded offences from 2016 to 2017.
============

And this....

One person killed or badly injured by guns every three days in London

The statistics, obtained by the Standard under Freedom of Information rules, showed that the total number of people threatened, shot at, injured or killed in a shooting rose by almost 80 per cent, compared to 2015 when there were 10 deaths, 52 serious injuries and 322 fewer serious offences.

Still a lot less than in the US. Please try again.

There is no trying again......

You twits tell us that bannign guns will lower the gun crime and gun murder rate...Britain shows that you are wrong on both counts....

Then, you go to the United States where we have more guns than ever before, and more people than ever before are carrrying them for self defense....and the facts who you are wrong again...

You don't understand the dynamic involved.....and that the gun ban is making British people less safe...as the young males created by their social welfare state are becoming more violent, and more prone to murder.....

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400 million guns in private hands and over 15 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2016...guess what happened...
-- gun murder down 49%
--gun crime down 75%
--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

Your argument is nonsense, things got so bad in the US so more people felt the need to be packing. Hardly a model society to be bragging about.

 

[2aguy]

This is like the idiotic anti climate change comment "it was cold today." Boom, climate change debunked.

Hey did you hear that 2 states had done voter fraud investigations. They found literally 10s of ppl out of millions illegally registered. Serious problem. Rampant voter fraud confirmed.

Welfare fraud. I heard once someone was collecting in two states! Abolish the whole thing! Not on my watch are those selfish worthless wretches going to take my hard earned money!

I can go on and on.

Meanwhile real crooks are buying their way out of the types of penalties that petty criminals get put away for.

Maybe you do support this, but by your own logic, hard drugs should be legalized. Because the ban sure as heck ain't workin!

Sent from my SM-G930V using USMessageBoard.com mobile app

yeah...you are new....no one is making that argument....we are making the argument that taking guns away from normal, law abiding people doesn't lower the crime rate......what lowers the crime rate is locking up criminals....for violent felons, 30 years needs to be the minumum...

Gun violence rare in U.K. compared to U.S.

As their violence levels grow......their criminals will become more willing to commit acts of murder......and their violence levels are off the charts....Britain is more violent than the U.S. and their people are helpless....in fact, they face arrest if they defend themselves and injure their attackers...

Violent crime on the rise in every corner of the country, figures suggest

But analysis of the figures force by force, showed the full extent of the problem, with only one constabulary, Nottinghamshire, recording a reduction in violent offences.

The vast majority of police forces actually witnessed double digit rises in violent crime, with Northumbria posting a 95 per cent increase year on year.

Of the other forces, Durham Police recorded a 73 per cent rise; West Yorkshire was up 48 per cent; Avon and Somerset 45 per cent; Dorset 39 per cent and Warwickshire 37 per cent.

Elsewhere Humberside, South Yorkshire, Staffordshire, Essex, Hertfordshire, Kent, Wiltshire and Dyfed Powys all saw violence rise by more than a quarter year on year.

 

[2aguy]

yeah...you are new....no one is making that argument....we are making the argument that taking guns away from normal, law abiding people doesn't lower the crime rate......what lowers the crime rate is locking up criminals....for violent felons, 30 years needs to be the minumum...

Gun violence rare in U.K. compared to U.S.

Yeah......that used to be the case.....now their social welfare state has been destroying the British family, and their culture can no longer civilize the young males raised in single teenage parent homes...

Gun crime in London increases by 42% - BBC News

Gun crime offences in London surged by 42% in the last year, according to official statistics.

The Met Police's figures showed there were 2,544 gun crime offences from April 2016 to April 2017 compared to 1,793 offences from 2015 until 2016.
Knife crime also increased by 24% with 12,074 recorded offences from 2016 to 2017.
============

And this....

One person killed or badly injured by guns every three days in London

The statistics, obtained by the Standard under Freedom of Information rules, showed that the total number of people threatened, shot at, injured or killed in a shooting rose by almost 80 per cent, compared to 2015 when there were 10 deaths, 52 serious injuries and 322 fewer serious offences.

Still a lot less than in the US. Please try again.

There is no trying again......

You twits tell us that bannign guns will lower the gun crime and gun murder rate...Britain shows that you are wrong on both counts....

Then, you go to the United States where we have more guns than ever before, and more people than ever before are carrrying them for self defense....and the facts who you are wrong again...

You don't understand the dynamic involved.....and that the gun ban is making British people less safe...as the young males created by their social welfare state are becoming more violent, and more prone to murder.....

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400 million guns in private hands and over 15 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2016...guess what happened...
-- gun murder down 49%
--gun crime down 75%
--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

Your argument is nonsense, things got so bad in the US so more people felt the need to be packing. Hardly a model society to be bragging about.

No.....as more people began carrying guns, our violence levels have gone down....after they banned guns for normal people in Britain...their violence levels went up.....

Please try to keep up.

 

[2aguy]

Gun violence in the UK is incredibly rare when compared to the US

It is up 42% in London and up in every other major city in Britain....after they banned and confiscated guns.

 

[Mudda]

This is like the idiotic anti climate change comment "it was cold today." Boom, climate change debunked.

Hey did you hear that 2 states had done voter fraud investigations. They found literally 10s of ppl out of millions illegally registered. Serious problem. Rampant voter fraud confirmed.

Welfare fraud. I heard once someone was collecting in two states! Abolish the whole thing! Not on my watch are those selfish worthless wretches going to take my hard earned money!

I can go on and on.

Meanwhile real crooks are buying their way out of the types of penalties that petty criminals get put away for.

Maybe you do support this, but by your own logic, hard drugs should be legalized. Because the ban sure as heck ain't workin!

Sent from my SM-G930V using USMessageBoard.com mobile app

yeah...you are new....no one is making that argument....we are making the argument that taking guns away from normal, law abiding people doesn't lower the crime rate......what lowers the crime rate is locking up criminals....for violent felons, 30 years needs to be the minumum...

Gun violence rare in U.K. compared to U.S.

As their violence levels grow......their criminals will become more willing to commit acts of murder......and their violence levels are off the charts....Britain is more violent than the U.S. and their people are helpless....in fact, they face arrest if they defend themselves and injure their attackers...

Violent crime on the rise in every corner of the country, figures suggest

But analysis of the figures force by force, showed the full extent of the problem, with only one constabulary, Nottinghamshire, recording a reduction in violent offences.

The vast majority of police forces actually witnessed double digit rises in violent crime, with Northumbria posting a 95 per cent increase year on year.

Of the other forces, Durham Police recorded a 73 per cent rise; West Yorkshire was up 48 per cent; Avon and Somerset 45 per cent; Dorset 39 per cent and Warwickshire 37 per cent.

Elsewhere Humberside, South Yorkshire, Staffordshire, Essex, Hertfordshire, Kent, Wiltshire and Dyfed Powys all saw violence rise by more than a quarter year on year.

Going from 2 to 4 is a 100% increase. Got any more fake scare tactics?

 

[Mudda]

Gun violence rare in U.K. compared to U.S.

Yeah......that used to be the case.....now their social welfare state has been destroying the British family, and their culture can no longer civilize the young males raised in single teenage parent homes...

Gun crime in London increases by 42% - BBC News

Gun crime offences in London surged by 42% in the last year, according to official statistics.

The Met Police's figures showed there were 2,544 gun crime offences from April 2016 to April 2017 compared to 1,793 offences from 2015 until 2016.
Knife crime also increased by 24% with 12,074 recorded offences from 2016 to 2017.
============

And this....

One person killed or badly injured by guns every three days in London

The statistics, obtained by the Standard under Freedom of Information rules, showed that the total number of people threatened, shot at, injured or killed in a shooting rose by almost 80 per cent, compared to 2015 when there were 10 deaths, 52 serious injuries and 322 fewer serious offences.

Still a lot less than in the US. Please try again.

There is no trying again......

You twits tell us that bannign guns will lower the gun crime and gun murder rate...Britain shows that you are wrong on both counts....

Then, you go to the United States where we have more guns than ever before, and more people than ever before are carrrying them for self defense....and the facts who you are wrong again...

You don't understand the dynamic involved.....and that the gun ban is making British people less safe...as the young males created by their social welfare state are becoming more violent, and more prone to murder.....

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400 million guns in private hands and over 15 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2016...guess what happened...
-- gun murder down 49%
--gun crime down 75%
--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

Your argument is nonsense, things got so bad in the US so more people felt the need to be packing. Hardly a model society to be bragging about.

No.....as more people began carrying guns, our violence levels have gone down....after they banned guns for normal people in Britain...their violence levels went up.....

Please try to keep up.

Still way more gun violence in US than in UK. And UK is WWWAAAAYYYYY safer than the US as well. You even have less chance of dying while in the army than you do walking down the street in the US.