Bribery is a loser

[Slade3200]

if that’s what you’re going with that the you’d have to acknowledge that Biden bribed Ukraine as well to get the prosecutor fired in 2014... like I said, it’s a losing argument

The U.S. publicly conditioning foreign aid on cleaning out corruption in the General Prosecutor's office is not a bribe, Slade. Just as the Trump administration's conditioning military aid on progress in Ukraine's fight against corruption isn't a bribe. Trump conditioning foreign aid on a personal favor however is an attempt at soliciting a bribe. It is long overdue for you to learn that crucial difference (even while the Trumpletons can't and won't).

The actions were the same, the differentiator is that Biden was following US policy and Trump is accused of working in his personal interest. So you’d have to prove it was in his personal interest and it had nothing to do with US security. I actually do believe that was the case but it’s near impossible to prove and the half of the country that supports trump are not going to believe it unless there is absolute proof. How are you going to prove his intent?

 

[Slade3200]

What Trump did was an abuse of office by dealing for personal gain, that should be the focus, not bribery. What the constitution was trying to protect from was politicians being paid to make policy.

Trump was using millitary aid to extort personal political gains from Ukrainians. He was bribing them with public funds.

if that’s what you’re going with that the you’d have to acknowledge that Biden bribed Ukraine as well to get the prosecutor fired in 2014... like I said, it’s a losing argument

WTF are you smoking?

Biden was pushing Ukraine to remove a widely known-to-be corrupt prosecutor, which is called GOOD FOREIGN POLICY.

To say that this is bribery is to funadamentally not understand wtf is going on.

I agree. But it fits the same definition your using for bribe which is why it’s not a good line of attack against Trump. He threatened to withhold aid in order to force a policy change in Ukraine

The element of the bribery charge you are missing is PERSONAL GAIN.

We can show that Trump was trying to extract personal political gain, same thing has not been shown in the case of Joe Biden, which is a critical distiction.

How do you prove that it was for personal gain and not for national security?

 

[progressive hunter]

if that’s what you’re going with that the you’d have to acknowledge that Biden bribed Ukraine as well to get the prosecutor fired in 2014... like I said, it’s a losing argument

The U.S. publicly conditioning foreign aid on cleaning out corruption in the General Prosecutor's office is not a bribe, Slade. Just as the Trump administration's conditioning military aid on progress in Ukraine's fight against corruption isn't a bribe. Trump conditioning foreign aid on a personal favor however is an attempt at soliciting a bribe. It is long overdue for you to learn that crucial difference (even while the Trumpletons can't and won't).

The actions were the same, the differentiator is that Biden was following US policy and Trump is accused of working in his personal interest. So you’d have to prove it was in his personal interest and it had nothing to do with US security. I actually do believe that was the case but it’s near impossible to prove and the half of the country that supports trump are not going to believe it unless there is absolute proof. How are you going to prove his intent?

your opinion doesnt make anything true,,,

 

[BlindBoo]

you’d have to acknowledge that Biden bribed Ukraine as well to get the prosecutor fired in 2014.

The Foreign policy he was carrying out was not hidden and did not involve an elaborate scheme to attack the domestic opposition party. It was an attack on the very nature of our two party system of government and must not be allowed to be normalized.

 

[progressive hunter]

Trump was using millitary aid to extort personal political gains from Ukrainians. He was bribing them with public funds.

if that’s what you’re going with that the you’d have to acknowledge that Biden bribed Ukraine as well to get the prosecutor fired in 2014... like I said, it’s a losing argument

WTF are you smoking?

Biden was pushing Ukraine to remove a widely known-to-be corrupt prosecutor, which is called GOOD FOREIGN POLICY.

To say that this is bribery is to funadamentally not understand wtf is going on.

I agree. But it fits the same definition your using for bribe which is why it’s not a good line of attack against Trump. He threatened to withhold aid in order to force a policy change in Ukraine

The element of the bribery charge you are missing is PERSONAL GAIN.

We can show that Trump was trying to extract personal political gain, same thing has not been shown in the case of Joe Biden, which is a critical distiction.

How do you prove that it was for personal gain and not for national security?

thats simple,,,you go off the facts and leave the emotions at home,,,

 

[progressive hunter]

you’d have to acknowledge that Biden bribed Ukraine as well to get the prosecutor fired in 2014.

The Foreign policy he was carrying out was not hidden and did not involve an elaborate scheme to attack the domestic opposition party. It was an attack on the very nature of our two party system of government and must not be allowed to be normalized.

we dont have a 2 party system of government,,,

 

[Slade3200]

I posted about how Obstruction was a losing argument after the Mueller Report was released.

You were wrong then and you are wrong on that now.

It already lost... didn’t go anywhere

?? When did it "lose"? Was there Obstruction impeachment hearings that I've missed?

Trump would have been impeached for Obstruction, but it just so happens that he gifted Democrats a much simpler example of why he is unfit for office, one where his corrupt behavior was no only about himself and his cronies, but serious foreign policy implications.

i don’t think he would have been impeached over obstruction but I guess we shall see. The impeachment road leads to 4 more years of Trump.

Thats just your speculations.

Yes that’s my opinion. The senate won’t convict and will gain power over the trial right in the heart of the election. They can then drag it out. Call their own witnesses. It will become all about the dirty DNC and Hunter/Joe Biden and their “corruption”... lock him up will follow and it will be a big repeat of last election. Trump vs Crooked Joe... no, it’s a losing path.

 

[AntonToo]

Trump was using millitary aid to extort personal political gains from Ukrainians. He was bribing them with public funds.

if that’s what you’re going with that the you’d have to acknowledge that Biden bribed Ukraine as well to get the prosecutor fired in 2014... like I said, it’s a losing argument

WTF are you smoking?

Biden was pushing Ukraine to remove a widely known-to-be corrupt prosecutor, which is called GOOD FOREIGN POLICY.

To say that this is bribery is to funadamentally not understand wtf is going on.

I agree. But it fits the same definition your using for bribe which is why it’s not a good line of attack against Trump. He threatened to withhold aid in order to force a policy change in Ukraine

The element of the bribery charge you are missing is PERSONAL GAIN.

We can show that Trump was trying to extract personal political gain, same thing has not been shown in the case of Joe Biden, which is a critical distiction.

How do you prove that it was for personal gain and not for national security?

Umm simple - Ukrainian President going on CNN to announce to the world investigation of Biden (based on just pure circumstatial fact that his son happened to work at Burisma) has nothing to do with national security and everything to do with Trump's re-election campaign.

As Sondland said (and will say again, unless he wants to go to prison) - Trump doesn't give a shit about Ukraine, he is concerned with much bigger stuff, like investigating Bidens.

 

[Slade3200]

Registers closed buddy... please leave the store and go back to your cave. No more trolling my thread. You’re done

I do take cash but its to hard to get it to me,,,

your trolling has been reported

trying to help you isnt trolling,,
just dont blame me for your ignorance,,,

helping me would be posting the documents I’ve been asking for. Repeating offers to take credit cards is straight up trolling. I’ll let the mods deal with you.

why should I do something you refuse to do??

At this point I really don’t care what you do. If you want to win the argument then back up your statements and win... if you just want to troll them keep doing what your doing.

 

[Slade3200]

you’d have to acknowledge that Biden bribed Ukraine as well to get the prosecutor fired in 2014.

The Foreign policy he was carrying out was not hidden and did not involve an elaborate scheme to attack the domestic opposition party. It was an attack on the very nature of our two party system of government and must not be allowed to be normalized.

you’d have to acknowledge that Biden bribed Ukraine as well to get the prosecutor fired in 2014.

The Foreign policy he was carrying out was not hidden and did not involve an elaborate scheme to attack the domestic opposition party. It was an attack on the very nature of our two party system of government and must not be allowed to be normalized.

i agree but impeachment isn’t going to get the job done. I’m fine with the inquiry, get all the facts out. But they shouldn’t file

 

[progressive hunter]

I do take cash but its to hard to get it to me,,,

your trolling has been reported

trying to help you isnt trolling,,
just dont blame me for your ignorance,,,

helping me would be posting the documents I’ve been asking for. Repeating offers to take credit cards is straight up trolling. I’ll let the mods deal with you.

why should I do something you refuse to do??

At this point I really don’t care what you do. If you want to win the argument then back up your statements and win... if you just want to troll them keep doing what your doing.

but I posted it for you,,,the rest is up to you,,,

 

[Slade3200]

if that’s what you’re going with that the you’d have to acknowledge that Biden bribed Ukraine as well to get the prosecutor fired in 2014... like I said, it’s a losing argument

WTF are you smoking?

Biden was pushing Ukraine to remove a widely known-to-be corrupt prosecutor, which is called GOOD FOREIGN POLICY.

To say that this is bribery is to funadamentally not understand wtf is going on.

I agree. But it fits the same definition your using for bribe which is why it’s not a good line of attack against Trump. He threatened to withhold aid in order to force a policy change in Ukraine

The element of the bribery charge you are missing is PERSONAL GAIN.

We can show that Trump was trying to extract personal political gain, same thing has not been shown in the case of Joe Biden, which is a critical distiction.

How do you prove that it was for personal gain and not for national security?

thats simple,,,you go off the facts and leave the emotions at home,,,

excellent suggestion. Post your facts then. Let’s see the documentation you say you have

 

[AntonToo]

You were wrong then and you are wrong on that now.

It already lost... didn’t go anywhere

?? When did it "lose"? Was there Obstruction impeachment hearings that I've missed?

Trump would have been impeached for Obstruction, but it just so happens that he gifted Democrats a much simpler example of why he is unfit for office, one where his corrupt behavior was no only about himself and his cronies, but serious foreign policy implications.

i don’t think he would have been impeached over obstruction but I guess we shall see. The impeachment road leads to 4 more years of Trump.

Thats just your speculations.

Yes that’s my opinion. The senate won’t convict and will gain power over the trial right in the heart of the election. They can then drag it out. Call their own witnesses. It will become all about the dirty DNC and Hunter/Joe Biden and their “corruption”... lock him up will follow and it will be a big repeat of last election. Trump vs Crooked Joe... no, it’s a losing path.

If the case against Trump is strong then Republicans in the Senate will refuse to hold Trumpa accontable at their own political peril.

We are not talking about a blowjob here. We are talking about POTUS that can't be trusted to un-corruptly conduct America's foreign policy.

 

[progressive hunter]

WTF are you smoking?

Biden was pushing Ukraine to remove a widely known-to-be corrupt prosecutor, which is called GOOD FOREIGN POLICY.

To say that this is bribery is to funadamentally not understand wtf is going on.

I agree. But it fits the same definition your using for bribe which is why it’s not a good line of attack against Trump. He threatened to withhold aid in order to force a policy change in Ukraine

The element of the bribery charge you are missing is PERSONAL GAIN.

We can show that Trump was trying to extract personal political gain, same thing has not been shown in the case of Joe Biden, which is a critical distiction.

How do you prove that it was for personal gain and not for national security?

thats simple,,,you go off the facts and leave the emotions at home,,,

excellent suggestion. Post your facts then. Let’s see the documentation you say you have

I just posted them a few minutes ago,,,you were crying pretty hard

 

[Slade3200]

if that’s what you’re going with that the you’d have to acknowledge that Biden bribed Ukraine as well to get the prosecutor fired in 2014... like I said, it’s a losing argument

WTF are you smoking?

Biden was pushing Ukraine to remove a widely known-to-be corrupt prosecutor, which is called GOOD FOREIGN POLICY.

To say that this is bribery is to funadamentally not understand wtf is going on.

I agree. But it fits the same definition your using for bribe which is why it’s not a good line of attack against Trump. He threatened to withhold aid in order to force a policy change in Ukraine

The element of the bribery charge you are missing is PERSONAL GAIN.

We can show that Trump was trying to extract personal political gain, same thing has not been shown in the case of Joe Biden, which is a critical distiction.

How do you prove that it was for personal gain and not for national security?

Umm simple - Ukrainian President going on CNN to announce to the world investigation of Biden (based on just pure circumstatial fact that his son happened to work at Burisma) has nothing to do with national security and everything to do with Trump's re-election campaign.

As Sondland said (and will say again, unless he wants to go to prison) - Trump doesn't give a shit about Ukraine, he is concerned with much bigger stuff, like investigating Bidens.

Trump can simply say that he had suspicion that Biden was acting to help his son and wanted to make sure Burisma didn’t get favorable treatment because of anything Biden did. There are enough crumbs there for Trump to work up a narrative and nothing concrete that proves your accusation.

As I said, I agree that Trump is dirty in this... I just don’t see the case where the accusations can be proven... he has too many outs

 

[Slade3200]

your trolling has been reported

trying to help you isnt trolling,,
just dont blame me for your ignorance,,,

helping me would be posting the documents I’ve been asking for. Repeating offers to take credit cards is straight up trolling. I’ll let the mods deal with you.

why should I do something you refuse to do??

At this point I really don’t care what you do. If you want to win the argument then back up your statements and win... if you just want to troll them keep doing what your doing.

but I posted it for you,,,the rest is up to you,,,

no you didn’t, that’s a lie

 

[progressive hunter]

wouldnt want you to spend your whole life an ignorant moron

included in these are all the links to the documents I was talking about,,,

 

[Slade3200]

It already lost... didn’t go anywhere

?? When did it "lose"? Was there Obstruction impeachment hearings that I've missed?

Trump would have been impeached for Obstruction, but it just so happens that he gifted Democrats a much simpler example of why he is unfit for office, one where his corrupt behavior was no only about himself and his cronies, but serious foreign policy implications.

i don’t think he would have been impeached over obstruction but I guess we shall see. The impeachment road leads to 4 more years of Trump.

Thats just your speculations.

Yes that’s my opinion. The senate won’t convict and will gain power over the trial right in the heart of the election. They can then drag it out. Call their own witnesses. It will become all about the dirty DNC and Hunter/Joe Biden and their “corruption”... lock him up will follow and it will be a big repeat of last election. Trump vs Crooked Joe... no, it’s a losing path.

If the case against Trump is strong then Republicans in the Senate will refuse to hold Trumpa accontable at their own political peril.

We are not talking about a blowjob here. We are talking about POTUS that can't be trusted to un-corruptly conduct America's foreign policy.

we are talking about a POTUS who is rather brilliant at spinning up his own narratives and spreading seeds of doubt everywhere. The Dems don’t have enough to convince the rest of the country that Trump committed a serious crime. Your narrative sounds bad but he has a narrative too that makes his actions sound justified and half the country believes him. That’s the reality at this point

 

[Faun]

wouldnt want you to spend your whole life an ignorant moron

LOLOL

Those are Glenn Beck videos, not documents.

 

[progressive hunter]

wouldnt want you to spend your whole life an ignorant moron

LOLOL

Those are Glenn Beck videos, not documents.

that include links to documents