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The way I see it is the process is completely unConstitutional if this is the case. I don't think the House will go for any of it.I think it gets voted on by Congress the same way our "free" trade deals are voted on.
Up or down.
No amendments.
(No debate?)
Apparently, this "Super Congress" has been set up to insulate the lesser congress from voter vengeance in 2012.
That's another good question, T.The way I see it is the process is completely unConstitutional if this is the case. I don't think the House will go for any of it.I think it gets voted on by Congress the same way our "free" trade deals are voted on.
Up or down.
No amendments.
(No debate?)
Apparently, this "Super Congress" has been set up to insulate the lesser congress from voter vengeance in 2012.
And are there any members on the comittee that voted NOT to raise the debt ceiling?
Is class warfare ready for prime time?The decision by the Congress, not a committee - special or otherwise - deciding on what is best for the greatest good for the greatest number of our citizens is required during these extraordinary times. Such an outcome is impossible. To expect the Congress to act in such a manner would be for them to act responsibly and without regard to the minority who fund their reelection and that will not happen.
A Special Committee is aptly named, for their attention will be focused on the Special Interests, not the common good. Now that funds can be given to elected officials without limit any pretense that we live in a democratic society can be dropped - we live today in a plutocracy, of that there can be no doubt.
Did Aristotle understand government?Last time I looked we were still a Republic despite looking like a Democracy. Gotta get rid of the mob.
And what is a true Democracy but mob rule?Did Aristotle understand government?Last time I looked we were still a Republic despite looking like a Democracy. Gotta get rid of the mob.
"(Democracy) is a government in the hands of men of low birth, no property, and vulgar employment."
And what is a true Democracy but mob rule?Did Aristotle understand government?Last time I looked we were still a Republic despite looking like a Democracy. Gotta get rid of the mob.
"(Democracy) is a government in the hands of men of low birth, no property, and vulgar employment."
Opinion? Perhaps...but an educated one as the evidence is all around us...Congress is leading the assault on private property, and reaping a windfall from it. The gold-plated health insurance and retirement plans, the all-expenses-paid vacations, the millions in cash that pass through campaign accounts and PACs Public service pays well these days. Since they oversee a trillion-dollar political market for stolen goods, it shouldnt surprise us that members of Congress skim a relatively modest commission of a few million for themselves.
The U.S. Congress is becoming as corrupt as the Roman senate, which kept transferring property from the productive sector of society to the unproductive sector, until finally the productive sector collapsed and Rome herself fell. We arent at that stage yet, but there isnt much time left to wake up and confront the moral rot that threatens to sink us.
A government that believes ordinary people are capable of ruling themselves.And what is a true Democracy but mob rule?Did Aristotle understand government?Last time I looked we were still a Republic despite looking like a Democracy. Gotta get rid of the mob.
"(Democracy) is a government in the hands of men of low birth, no property, and vulgar employment."
Or a people capable of educated voting to preserve thier Liberty.A government that believes ordinary people are capable of ruling themselves.And what is a true Democracy but mob rule?Did Aristotle understand government?
"(Democracy) is a government in the hands of men of low birth, no property, and vulgar employment."
"The U.S. Congress is becoming as corrupt as the Roman senate, which kept transferring property from the productive sector of society to the unproductive sector, until finally the productive sector collapsed and Rome herself fell. We aren’t at that stage yet, but there isn’t much time left to wake up and confront the moral rot that threatens to sink us."The Threat Within (Voting ourselves largesse from the public treasury)
Mobacracy...
Opinion? Perhaps...but an educated one as the evidence is all around us...Congress is leading the assault on private property, and reaping a windfall from it. The gold-plated health insurance and retirement plans, the all-expenses-paid vacations, the millions in cash that pass through campaign accounts and PACs Public service pays well these days. Since they oversee a trillion-dollar political market for stolen goods, it shouldnt surprise us that members of Congress skim a relatively modest commission of a few million for themselves.
The U.S. Congress is becoming as corrupt as the Roman senate, which kept transferring property from the productive sector of society to the unproductive sector, until finally the productive sector collapsed and Rome herself fell. We arent at that stage yet, but there isnt much time left to wake up and confront the moral rot that threatens to sink us.
Some would say a voting public who possess the means to effect change but who allow the kind of clearly corrupt financial shenanigans perpetrated by its elected officials to go on year after year deserves to be enslaved.[...]
Voting ourselves largesse from the public treasury represents one level of threat to this country, and campaigns bribes to Republicans AND Democrats represents a much larger threat, imo.
At about $700billion, TARP is only a small fraction of the total bailout package.I was against TARP, still am. Banks shouldn't be afforded extra nets while the rest of us are taking risks without nets.
I would be among the last to deny the existence of slave-like voting patterns in this country; however, the Internet makes it very easy to Change that particular pathology. In many states there are already existing third party candidates appearing on every ballot. It requires little extra effort to vote Green or Libertarian or Whatever instead of Republican OR Democrat.Some would say a voting public who possess the means to effect change but who allow the kind of clearly corrupt financial shenanigans perpetrated by its elected officials to go on year after year deserves to be enslaved.[...]
Voting ourselves largesse from the public treasury represents one level of threat to this country, and campaigns bribes to Republicans AND Democrats represents a much larger threat, imo.
I can't think of any argument against that reasoning.
"The man in the street does not recognize the devil even when the devil is holding him by the throat." [Johann von Goethe]
By Eric W. Dolan
Thursday, August 18th, 2011 -- 8:39 pm
The bipartisan "super committee" created by the debt ceiling deal is comprised of lawmakers who have received big bucks from special interest groups, according to a report by MapLight.
The committee is tasked with finding at least $1.2 trillion in deficit cuts over ten years.
In total, the twelve members appointed to the Joint Select Committee on Deficit Reduction got nearly $64.5 million from special interests groups over the past decade, with legal firms donating about $31.5 million and Wall Street firms donating about $11.2 million.
Of that $11.2 million, Goldman Sachs, Citigroup, Bank of America and JPMorgan Chase donated approximately $2 million combined.
The members appointed to the committee are Sens. Pat Toomey (R-PA), Jon Kyl (R-AZ), Rob Portman (R-OH), Patty Murray (D-WA), John Kerry (D-MA), and Max Baucus (D-MT) and Reps. Jeb Hensarling (R-TX), Fred Upton (R-MI), Dave Camp (R-MI), Chris Van Hollen (D-MD), Xavier Becerra (D-CA), and Jim Clyburn (D-SC).
Democratic and liberal groups donated the third most amount of money, with about $9.6 million in political contributions, and the health industry donated the fourth most, with about $9.3 million.
Club for Growth, a conservative free market group, donated more money than any other organization, contributing a combined $990,066 to the twelve lawmakers. The vast majority of that money went to Sen. Toomey.
Microsoft Corp. donated the second most, with $810,100.
The six Republicans on the committee have signed a pledge by Americans for Tax Reform to vote against any tax increases.
read more Wall Street firms donated $11.2 million to members of debt super committee | The Raw Story
Right next to God and Slavery.And by the way? I defy anyone to find the word Democracy in the Constitution.
