Breakthrough Cases Are NOT the Problem

[jc456]

Where the fuck did i lie...you piece of shit?

every time you post.

 

[jc456]

The medical professionals in this country are killing themselves trying to keep up with this mess.

how, what is their effort to help a wuhan patient? tell us how they're busting their asses.

 

[jc456]

Vaccination DEATH RATE. See those words LUSH? They died after the vaccine, but the vaccine didn’t cause their death. The exact OPPOSITE of you kooks braying that EVERY death was Covid, no matter what. You idiots just keep getting suckered.

they love Jim Jones.

 

[jc456]

And your doctor told you NOT to get it?

my doctor doesn't order me to get anything. Yours does?

 

[jc456]

Since more than 338 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines were administered in the USA, this data reflects a vaccination-death ratio of 0.0018%.

The CDC’s website says, ‘Reports of adverse events to VAERS following vaccination, including deaths, do not necessarily mean that a vaccine caused a health problem. This is because the U.S. FDA requires healthcare providers to report any death after a COVID-19 vaccination to VAERS, even if it’s unclear whether the vaccine was the cause.

Furthermore, a review of available clinical information, including death certificates, autopsy, and medical records, has not established a causal link to COVID-19 vaccines, says the CDC.

just like someone who died due to a bad heart didn't die due to wuhan. I laugh that you believe all that nonsense.

 

[jc456]

We didn't yet know that asymptomatic people could spread the virus.

prove it. Post the study that says that.

 

[jc456]

Jesus christ. We going over bullshit from a year and a half ago?

Masks were in short supply.

We didn't yet know that asymptomatic people could spread the virus.

This gets SOOOO fucking old

so leave it alone and go about your business and we will go about ours. It seems you want input into other's lives.

 

[jc456]

Yes.

the internet tough guy!!!! stand and take a bow.

 

[Lesh]

prove it. Post the study that says that.

You want proof that Covid is spread by asymptotic people?

You’re that stupid?

Or you’re a troll

 

[jc456]

You want proof that Covid is spread by asymptotic people?

You’re that stupid?

Or you’re a troll

Yeah, that’s a fallacy . Proving you are a parrot

 

[bodecea]

You guys all say that shit, but you're all gonna fall in line when the mandates come down.

Nope...they will force us to get used to illness and death from Covid just like they want us to be used to children being slaughtered by mass shooters in our schools, movie theaters, etc.

 

[Crepitus]

Nope...they will force us to get used to illness and death from Covid just like they want us to be used to children being slaughtered by mass shooters in our schools, movie theaters, etc.

I really hope you're Wrong, but I fear you aren't.

 

[Burgermeister]

You want proof that Covid is spread by asymptotic people?

You’re that stupid?

Or you’re a troll

Yes provide proof, because here is what the latest CDC study says. Analysis of Asymptomatic and Presymptomatic Transmission in SARS-CoV-2 Outbreak, Germany, 2020

"In this cluster of COVID-19 cases, little to no transmission occurred from asymptomatic case-patients. Presymptomatic transmission was more frequent than symptomatic transmission. The serial interval was short; very short intervals occurred.

The fact that we did not detect any laboratory-confirmed SARS-CoV-2 transmission from asymptomatic case-patients is in line with multiple studies (9–11). However, Oran et al."

"In conclusion, our study suggests that asymptomatic cases are unlikely to contribute substantially to the spread of SARS-CoV-2. COVID-19 cases should be detected and managed early to quarantine close contacts immediately and prevent presymptomatic transmissions."

BTW I have never run across an asymptotic person. I've seen an asymptotic curve.. I'm actually surprised that you even stumbled across that word.

LOL

 

[jc456]

Nope...they will force us to get used to illness and death from Covid just like they want us to be used to children being slaughtered by mass shooters in our schools, movie theaters, etc.

then the government should allow the death penalty. Which side is against that?

 

[flacaltenn]

So they lie, intentionally keeping people ignorant. GOT IT!!!!! People know lies when they see them, hence, they don't trust the ever changing story the govt is feeding them.

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Science doesn't operate on lies. PUBLIC HEALTH sometimes does.. The folks in charge of pandemic control put Public Health tactics AHEAD of actually explaining the science.

And given the mass scientific ignorance and disinterest in the current American public -- WE ALLOW THEM to treat us like 8 yr olds... This country is slipping into the Dark Ages.. The more money and attention WASTED on "marketing" STEM courses to kids, the worse the results. Because science and math are RACIST and dont produce "equity".... Not because they CANNOT LIFT UP the intelligence of this nation -- but because the "lifters" aren't qualified to capture the interest and teach the stuff...

 

[flacaltenn]

You're right. Covid deaths are reported more stringently than flu deaths. Had they been reported the same way the 620,000 number would have been considerably higher.

This makes little sense. How does "more stringent" result in MORE deaths? They've found motorcyclists with fatal injuries declared "covid dead"..

Is US COVID-19 death count inflated?

As Americans, we need to have at least a reasonable sense of trust in the media and those in government in order for our society to function cohesively, let alone thrive.

thehill.com

On August 26, the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) issued a report showing that in 94 percent of the roughly 180,000 deaths that have been attributed to COVID-19, “on average, there were 2.6 additional conditions or causes per death.”

As the CDC report notes, “For 6% of the deaths, COVID-19 was the only cause mentioned.”

In other words, 94 percent of Americans who have died from coronavirus from the week ending February 1, 2020 to the week ending August 22, 2020 had, on average, almost three comorbidities that played a role in their death.

Anecdotally, there are several stories of cases in which people with COVID-19 had deadly heart attacks, yet these cases were coded as COVID-19 deaths. In one extreme case, a Florida man who died in a motorcycle crash happened to also have COVID-19 at the time, yet was coded as having died from COVID-19, not because of the motorcycle accident.

According to Daniel Spitz, chief medical examiner in Macomb County, Michigan, “I think a lot of clinicians are putting that condition [COVID-19] on death certificates when it might not be accurate because they died with coronavirus and not of coronavirus.”

This is NOT just "minor death inflation".. It goes against every PREVIOUS flu season rules for coding deaths. So -- when you try to sort this out for COVID -- where 80% of the deaths were in the elderly -- MOST nursing home death for instance, where folks are already "circling the drain" --- got coded as a "covid death"..

When you this little respect for data integrity and scientific research and CHANGE THE FUCKING RULES --- You're being dishonest if you make comparisons to the PAST.. It's like changing the wind speeds for hurricane/tornado classifications and then LYING about comparison to 20 or 100 years ago...

 

[flacaltenn]

WHY the death inflation??? MONEY AND INCENTIVES to hospitals and providers.. Plain and simple.. Died from COVID was an immediate "cash bonus" for the hospital... That's part of it..

 

[OKTexas]

Science doesn't operate on lies. PUBLIC HEALTH sometimes does.. The folks in charge of pandemic control put Public Health tactics AHEAD of actually explaining the science.

And given the mass scientific ignorance and disinterest in the current American public -- WE ALLOW THEM to treat us like 8 yr olds... This country is slipping into the Dark Ages.. The more money and attention WASTED on "marketing" STEM courses to kids, the worse the results. Because science and math are RACIST and dont produce "equity".... Not because they CANNOT LIFT UP the intelligence of this nation -- but because the "lifters" aren't qualified to capture the interest and teach the stuff...

One of these days you'll figure out the government halls of indoctrination aren't interested in education. That became very clear in the early 70s and it's been all down hill from there.

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[Lesh]

This makes little sense. How does "more stringent" result in MORE deaths? They've found motorcyclists with fatal injuries declared "covid dead"..

Is US COVID-19 death count inflated?

As Americans, we need to have at least a reasonable sense of trust in the media and those in government in order for our society to function cohesively, let alone thrive.

thehill.com

On August 26, the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) issued a report showing that in 94 percent of the roughly 180,000 deaths that have been attributed to COVID-19, “on average, there were 2.6 additional conditions or causes per death.”

As the CDC report notes, “For 6% of the deaths, COVID-19 was the only cause mentioned.”

In other words, 94 percent of Americans who have died from coronavirus from the week ending February 1, 2020 to the week ending August 22, 2020 had, on average, almost three comorbidities that played a role in their death.

Anecdotally, there are several stories of cases in which people with COVID-19 had deadly heart attacks, yet these cases were coded as COVID-19 deaths. In one extreme case, a Florida man who died in a motorcycle crash happened to also have COVID-19 at the time, yet was coded as having died from COVID-19, not because of the motorcycle accident.

According to Daniel Spitz, chief medical examiner in Macomb County, Michigan, “I think a lot of clinicians are putting that condition [COVID-19] on death certificates when it might not be accurate because they died with coronavirus and not of coronavirus.”

This is NOT just "minor death inflation".. It goes against every PREVIOUS flu season rules for coding deaths. So -- when you try to sort this out for COVID -- where 80% of the deaths were in the elderly -- MOST nursing home death for instance, where folks are already "circling the drain" --- got coded as a "covid death"..

When you this little respect for data integrity and scientific research and CHANGE THE FUCKING RULES --- You're being dishonest if you make comparisons to the PAST.. It's like changing the wind speeds for hurricane/tornado classifications and then LYING about comparison to 20 or 100 years ago...

Flu deaths are reported LESS stringently than Covid.

If Covid deaths were reported in the same manner as flu, the number of Covid deaths would be far higher.

And this is borne out by the number of excess deaths reported since the beginning of the Covid pandemic.

I’m fact the true count for Covid deaths would probably me 30% higher if they were reported accurately

 

[Lesh]

WHY the death inflation??? MONEY AND INCENTIVES to hospitals and providers.. Plain and simple.. Died from COVID was an immediate "cash bonus" for the hospital... That's part of it..

Bullshit. Hospitals are LOSING money on Covid patients because they require so much more attention and resources