Beats me, maybe she was doing a u turn, you keep claiming she was blocking them from getting by, but we see everyone else getting around her.
Breaking: Woman shot while trying to kill ICE agents in Minnesota
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Again, was she preventing them from pursuing someone, what was she stopping them from doing at the time of this incident.
RetiredGySgt
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retard alert she moved her car to let others pass dumb ****,
Hafar1014
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Thats called obstruction resisting arrest and battery with a car. Democrats are using emotionally disturbed women as cannon fodder
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Right into the body of an ICE agent after obstructing and resisting arrest making her an imminent threat to all agents in the area. Deadly force is now legal. Democrats are using emotionally disturbed women as cannon fodder.
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Videos can be faked.
So she deserved to be murdered for a parking violation?
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Hafar1014
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Only in your cartoon world which isnt reality because thats all you have a cartoon
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Hafar1014
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Cartoons are their reality because reality is their enemy. Democrats killed democracy civility and debate as they decline into socialist hate
/----/ "Videos can be faked."
And reality can be denied.
Your stupid ass just makes it up as go.
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You mean parents who didn't want gay porn in their school?
First, explain why obama/biden ordered the FBI to monitor parents at school board meetings.
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This is a short, concise look at the laws she broke....
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From Jerad Greer, from the other social media site...
Read see what you think the law is black and white no real gray area.
For all who care to take the time and read, here is this case broken down into three fatal mistakes by the driver and how the current laws will see this case.
I don’t rely on social media takes or emotional reactions. I read statutes and Supreme Court case law. When you do that here, three clear and fatal legal mistakes emerge. Each one independently justified escalation. Together, they made the outcome legally unavoidable.
First, she obstructed the roadway. Her vehicle was positioned sideways in the road. Whether she was waving cars around or not is legally irrelevant. Blocking a roadway creates an immediate public safety concern and gives law enforcement lawful authority to investigate what is happening and why. Under Terry v. Ohio, officers may briefly detain individuals when specific, articulable facts create reasonable suspicion of criminal activity or a safety hazard. Once officers lawfully engaged her vehicle, they were permitted to control the encounter.
At that point, officers ordered her to exit the vehicle. That was a lawful command. Pennsylvania v. Mimms makes clear that during a lawful stop, officers may order a driver out of the vehicle for officer safety without additional justification. This authority applies to law enforcement generally, not just local police departments.
Some argue that ICE agents are not “police” and therefore lack the authority to stop, detain, or command civilians. That argument is legally incorrect. ICE agents are sworn federal law enforcement officers under the Department of Homeland Security. Congress explicitly granted immigration officers arrest and detention authority under 8 U.S.C. § 1357, including the authority to carry firearms and make warrantless arrests when offenses are committed in their presence or when they have reasonable grounds to believe a felony is being committed. Their authority derives from federal statute, not from state or municipal police powers. Federal law enforcement does not become optional simply because the officer is not wearing a city or county badge.
Second, she refused to comply with a lawful order. Once she failed to exit the vehicle, the encounter escalated from investigation to resistance. You do not get to debate lawful commands roadside. The Supreme Court has consistently held that evasive behavior and refusal to comply with lawful authority contribute to reasonable suspicion and justify escalation. Illinois v. Wardlow makes that clear. Any challenge to the legality of the order belongs in court, not in the moment.
Third, and decisively, she accelerated her vehicle while a federal agent was positioned in front of it. At that moment, intent stopped mattering. A motor vehicle becomes a deadly weapon when used in a manner capable of causing serious bodily harm or death. Supreme Court precedent is explicit on this point. Tennessee v. Garner allows deadly force when an officer has probable cause to believe a suspect poses a significant threat of death or serious physical injury. Scott v. Harris, Brosseau v. Haugen, and Plumhoff v. Rickard all recognize that a vehicle used during resistance or flight constitutes a lethal threat justifying deadly force.
There will be endless arguments about tactics and whether the officer should have placed himself in that position. Legally, those arguments are void once an officer is in immediate danger. The law does not require officers to absorb deadly force because someone else made a reckless decision. The moment her foot hit the accelerator with an officer in front of the vehicle, the threat became immediate and lethal under settled law.
These three actions obstructing the roadway, refusing a lawful order, and accelerating a vehicle toward a federal agent form a textbook use-of-force analysis under Supreme Court precedent. I hate that it happened. But the law is unforgiving in situations like this. Pride will sometimes send people charging into storms they didn’t pack for.
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From Jerad Greer, from the other social media site...
Read see what you think the law is black and white no real gray area.
For all who care to take the time and read, here is this case broken down into three fatal mistakes by the driver and how the current laws will see this case.
I don’t rely on social media takes or emotional reactions. I read statutes and Supreme Court case law. When you do that here, three clear and fatal legal mistakes emerge. Each one independently justified escalation. Together, they made the outcome legally unavoidable.
First, she obstructed the roadway. Her vehicle was positioned sideways in the road. Whether she was waving cars around or not is legally irrelevant. Blocking a roadway creates an immediate public safety concern and gives law enforcement lawful authority to investigate what is happening and why. Under Terry v. Ohio, officers may briefly detain individuals when specific, articulable facts create reasonable suspicion of criminal activity or a safety hazard. Once officers lawfully engaged her vehicle, they were permitted to control the encounter.
At that point, officers ordered her to exit the vehicle. That was a lawful command. Pennsylvania v. Mimms makes clear that during a lawful stop, officers may order a driver out of the vehicle for officer safety without additional justification. This authority applies to law enforcement generally, not just local police departments.
Some argue that ICE agents are not “police” and therefore lack the authority to stop, detain, or command civilians. That argument is legally incorrect. ICE agents are sworn federal law enforcement officers under the Department of Homeland Security. Congress explicitly granted immigration officers arrest and detention authority under 8 U.S.C. § 1357, including the authority to carry firearms and make warrantless arrests when offenses are committed in their presence or when they have reasonable grounds to believe a felony is being committed. Their authority derives from federal statute, not from state or municipal police powers. Federal law enforcement does not become optional simply because the officer is not wearing a city or county badge.
Second, she refused to comply with a lawful order. Once she failed to exit the vehicle, the encounter escalated from investigation to resistance. You do not get to debate lawful commands roadside. The Supreme Court has consistently held that evasive behavior and refusal to comply with lawful authority contribute to reasonable suspicion and justify escalation. Illinois v. Wardlow makes that clear. Any challenge to the legality of the order belongs in court, not in the moment.
Third, and decisively, she accelerated her vehicle while a federal agent was positioned in front of it. At that moment, intent stopped mattering. A motor vehicle becomes a deadly weapon when used in a manner capable of causing serious bodily harm or death. Supreme Court precedent is explicit on this point. Tennessee v. Garner allows deadly force when an officer has probable cause to believe a suspect poses a significant threat of death or serious physical injury. Scott v. Harris, Brosseau v. Haugen, and Plumhoff v. Rickard all recognize that a vehicle used during resistance or flight constitutes a lethal threat justifying deadly force.
There will be endless arguments about tactics and whether the officer should have placed himself in that position. Legally, those arguments are void once an officer is in immediate danger. The law does not require officers to absorb deadly force because someone else made a reckless decision. The moment her foot hit the accelerator with an officer in front of the vehicle, the threat became immediate and lethal under settled law.
These three actions obstructing the roadway, refusing a lawful order, and accelerating a vehicle toward a federal agent form a textbook use-of-force analysis under Supreme Court precedent. I hate that it happened. But the law is unforgiving in situations like this. Pride will sometimes send people charging into storms they didn’t pack for.
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Their job, she was creating an unsafe environment for all, all who had to go around, the officers involved, even those they may have been after.
Just let the taxpayer have their money. Federal, state, local, city taxes and fees and everything else. Monopolies and port authorities and pay roads and everything else that can be thought of. These shrews exist due to that. Useless and increasingly not worth it. At war with the system that keeps them alive and living with comforts. The problem is that many people have not figured this out about the costs. The costs that may make them live half as well as they could. The rulers of the system avoid those questions. What a waste of resources for these losers. And that tis what most are. The older ones living off the system even if they say they earned it shitting on the taxpayers for their views that have nothing to do with freedoms just part of it. A jigsaw puzzle that the pieces do not fit comfortably.
If this ICE Officer is justified in shooting Goode, would the officers from Jan 6 been justified if they would have opened up on the folks attacking the Capitol.
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The further anyone has to move the discussion away from the incident at hand, the weaker their position becomes, and the more they express their desire to make a point that is more in line with shaping an argument that serves an agenda, more than understanding the reality of what actually occurred.
Think people, think.
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One did, and actually killed someone, and got off scot free, and you cheered. By the way was any of those protestors weilding a large vehicle
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Were they driving into the capitol in a 4,000 pound weapon? They didn't even have guns.....
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