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Them going after Trump makes him a man of the people and more relatable
Oh i see. Could you give me another example of this? You know... A billionaire becoming a "man of the people", because the IRS went after him. Because, frankly, i think what you are saying is nonsense.
Look at his rallies. He's far more a man of the people than the Democrats could ever hope to be. And that is what scares them. I'm sure his attorneys and accountants examined and used every legal loophole available to avoid paying taxes, just so Democrats don't steal our money to spend it on gender studies and donate it to countries who hate us.
Same type of Rally that Hitler had exactly the same.
in some respects yes....both well attended, high energy, and orderly......the only real difference is Trump discussed freedom, while Hitler went on and on about socialist ideas....the sort of thing that you'd see at the DNC Convention
So did Hitler talk non stop about freedom , and Trump by far was more hateful in his speeches then Hitler was. Where did Trump learn this type of political control from.. Its from the only book this pig ever read in his life and it was on his bed stand every night where he read it constantly, The book "My New Order" by guess who hot shot. Bozo brain is known for one thing and that is never reading a book. The most stupid remark of the day, YOU CAN"T FIND A RESPECTABLE SOURCE THAT SAYS HITLER WAS A SOCIALIST < HE HATED THEM WITH A PASSION>THE ONLY SOURCE THAT WILL SAY THAT ARE RIGHT WING HATE NAZI SOURCES> STUPID CHARGE THAT DEMOCRATS ARE SOCIALIST < WHAT A JOKE THERE IS NO SOCIALISM COMMUNISM OR MARXISM IN NUMBERS ENOUGH TO FILL A TEA POT> THAT IS TOP NOTCH HATE PARTY STUPID,.
I've read a lot of books about Hitler and Nazi Germany, you should give it a chance as well, educate yourself, maybe then you wouldn't be a sheep for his policies the DNC pushes, or fall for their propganda so easily

I wouldn't say Trump had political control, quite the opposite! He was no polished politican with control, like Obama, Harris or Biden....or Hitler....that's for sure.....you maybe the only one that I know that would suggest he did

I am curious how you know Trump only read one book though....

Hitler started the National SOCIALIST German Worker's party.....what do you think NAZI means?
You have no clue what you are talking about ,The party was started by Anton Drexler, It was to pull People away from communism, it emerged from the populist freikorps paramilitary culture. The party was created to draw workers away from communism and into volkish nationalism. The Socialist name was put in early at the advise of Martin Borman because of the popularity of the times in their interest of Socialism throughout Europe. Your just adding to peoples opinion on what a bullshitter you are, Fake it or lie until you make it. You lose again. when the open their mouths it is a lie always.
he was hitler"s mentor that formed the german worker"s party< yes they hated communism< and were socialist

the socialist name is because they believe in socialist principals>>>>but believed in a third way>>>facism>>>which is a combination of socialist and a little capitalism>>>>>what we are seeing from the modern dnc>>>>>where some large businesses are favored< and as long they work for the party
hated communist but were socialist, anything more stupid then that remark, hated Demacracy but were a republic. or hated republic but were a demacracy. Ya you betcha!
um....Communism and Socialism are two different systems. It's more like hating coffee, but enjoying hot tea

a Democracy is system of Govt in which the people vote, usually using a Republic style of Govt, in which they vote for Representatives, who do the legislation. It's more like enjoying coffee, but enjoying a tall mug to deliver it.
You have no clue , you are a non stop bullshiter, So you say communism and socialism are the same, here you go hotshot buried under you ignorance one more time, everything you have said in this whole thread has been bullshit-So what did Marx and Engelssay about your bullshit------"The socialist mode of production, also referred to as the communist mode of production, the lower-stage of communism or simply socialism as Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels used the terms communism and socialism interchangeably, is a specific historical phase of economic development and its corresponding set of social relations that emerge from capitalism in the schema of historical materialism within Marxist theory." Communism - Wikipedia, like I said I love debating stupid people its like bullying the smallest person in the room.
No actually I said they aren't the same....because they are two totally different things I like how you say what did Marx say, and then refer to a Wiki page..

but Sociallism is certainly a "lower form" if you will. Socialism is when Govt owns the means and production....Communism is when there is no Govt at all, the people own it all collectively. Socialism was what Marx referred to as the middle stage between Capitalism and Communism.

We have never had a true Communist society in the World..only different degrees of Socialism....Hitler believed in yet another way....Mussonlini's Fascism....which, is what we see the modern Dems pushing in this country. A system where the Govt allows 'some" private businesses, typically large big businesses, to operate, so long as they are doing work for the party.
You can;t make anyone believe they aren't the same if Marx and Engels says they are exactly the same and used both to define The same thing. won't work ace , one more time for effect here is your stupid remark"um....Communism and Socialism are two different systems. It's more like hating coffee, but enjoying hot tea" and here is what Marx and Engels said about it.""The socialist mode of production, also referred to as the communist mode of production, the lower-stage of communism or simply socialism as Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels used the terms communism and socialism interchangeably, is a specific historical phase of economic development and its corresponding set of social relations that emerge from capitalism in the schema of historical materialism within Marxist theory." Communism " Again you are buried under your own ignorance and I;m caring the shovel that is doing it.
They didn't say they were the same....you aren't quoting Marx and Engels you are quoting wikipedia

Communism is when the public, the people as whole, own the means of production, and the results of the means....there is no Govt

Socialism, is when the Govt own the means of production, and the results....Communism is a more advanced form of Socialism....the next stage if you will.
Idiot what does this mean , yourt full of crap ""The socialist mode of production, also referred to as the communist mode of production, the lower-stage of communism or simply socialism as Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels used the terms communism and socialism interchangeably, " your so full of crap
That means you quoted wikipedia.

I told you the difference between the two.....

Marx himself didn't refer to socialism as socialism, he simply referred to it as "a Communist society that has not reached its higher stage" Critique of the Gotha Programme, Karl Marx

But he recognized that they were two different things, clearly
Ace he refereed to the fact that there was two stages of communism , nothing about socialism being the first phase. Read your own comment and tell me what the hell you think it means, Here is you comment you put up "Marx himself didn't refer to socialism as socialism, he simply referred to it as "a Communist society that has not reached its higher stage" Critique of the Gotha Programme, Karl Marx"
the whole Critique of the Gotha programme was against the German socialistic party congress defining it as socialism and it wasn't', to him it was the first stage of communism. You aren't going to win this you just don't know what you are talking about , your supporters I don't give a shit about, I only care what people than have the capacity to think , think about what I have to say.
Yes, he didn't come up with the term....but it's what it's been referred to since, because as he even recognized, it's a different thing. That is all I mean trying to say, you can be a fan of socialism...Govt control, and dislike Communism....where the Govt isn't involved.

Marx didn't like the Social Democratic Party of Germany's platform, a Socialist party, he was a fan of Communism.
You don't know enough about this to win this argument , you have made that clear with your multiple wrong definition of what they are. There has been tons of wings of both socialism and communist,. Across the board every one of these that have a tag word on it before or after. Are not socialism anymore . Marx said they were the same thing. because socialism to him was just lower communism , So did Engels. Its idiots all over this country that try to define what socialism is to attack stupidly the idea that Democrats are socialist, people with brains know their is no effective socialism communism or Marxism in this country and there never will be , that's just hate Nazi bullshit. When they open their mouth it is a lie.
Everything I said was right....yes Socialism to Marx was DIFFERENT stage of Communism....I agree. That's why you can be a socialist and hate communism, because they are different.

Socialism, is socialism, is socialism....it always fails and leads to poverty, less freedom and totalarian abuses...you are right that leftist often put different names in front of it, National Socialism, "Democratic" Socialism, whatever to make it sound better after the last epic failure.
You didn't even read your own Source , it was Marx last word on communism before he died. What The German socialist party called socialism, they defined it as the first stage of communism. he said bullshit , communism comes in two stages , and the first stage is not socialism , it is just called the first stage of communism. He and Engels refereed to them as the same until the German socialist redefined Marx and Engels first stage of communism. . And that is exactly what your own reference(Critique of the Gotha Programme, Karl Marx" ) said and meant. You aren't making one inch of headway. But I'm having fun so go right ahead with your bullshit.
Um I did read it....what we call Socialism, Marx called the first stage of Communism....and...he acknowledged it was different then what Communism is.

I have no doubt I am not making headway with you, even when you are acknowleding what I said that they are two different things....which is rather amazing
You won't make headway, every time I show what a idiot you are and prove it with your own references , you go back to read it over and over and you still can't decipher what it says, catch up ace. when the open their mouths they are lying!!!!!Yuk! Yuk!
I read what you said, you said they are the same thing, I provided 1) how they are defined differently 2) Marx acknowleiding they are two different things

Let me ask you then, to define them....please
Don't have to Lennon made it more then clear, That socialism is just a made up word to describe the first stage of communism, that it isn't the transition between capitalism and communism. But your not very bright and can't admit that you wrong ,so this isn't for you it's for a brain that has the capacity to think. " The great significance of Marx's explanation is, that here too, he consistently applies materialist dialectics, the theory of development, and regards communism as something which develops out of capitalism. Instead of scholastically invented, 'concocted' definitions and fruitless disputes over words (What is socialism? What is communism?), Marx gives analysis of what might be called the stages of the economic maturity of communism" this from your own souse that doesn't in any way support your bullshit, YOUR OWN SOURCE Critique of the Gotha Programme
Lennon? John?

So you can't define the word? Either of them?

Yes, my own source, Marx made clear that Communism developes out of Capitalism....I don't disagree, that's his theory, and he recognize that there are different stages of that development. We call the "middle" stage Socialism, he referred to it, and recognized it as something different then the end goal, Communism, but referred to it as "early stage Communism" - but nonetheless different, and the final stage is something that folks that like the "early stage" can dislike, or fight against. Those of us that like freedom, don't like any stage
 

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Them going after Trump makes him a man of the people and more relatable
Oh i see. Could you give me another example of this? You know... A billionaire becoming a "man of the people", because the IRS went after him. Because, frankly, i think what you are saying is nonsense.
Look at his rallies. He's far more a man of the people than the Democrats could ever hope to be. And that is what scares them. I'm sure his attorneys and accountants examined and used every legal loophole available to avoid paying taxes, just so Democrats don't steal our money to spend it on gender studies and donate it to countries who hate us.
Same type of Rally that Hitler had exactly the same.
in some respects yes....both well attended, high energy, and orderly......the only real difference is Trump discussed freedom, while Hitler went on and on about socialist ideas....the sort of thing that you'd see at the DNC Convention
So did Hitler talk non stop about freedom , and Trump by far was more hateful in his speeches then Hitler was. Where did Trump learn this type of political control from.. Its from the only book this pig ever read in his life and it was on his bed stand every night where he read it constantly, The book "My New Order" by guess who hot shot. Bozo brain is known for one thing and that is never reading a book. The most stupid remark of the day, YOU CAN"T FIND A RESPECTABLE SOURCE THAT SAYS HITLER WAS A SOCIALIST < HE HATED THEM WITH A PASSION>THE ONLY SOURCE THAT WILL SAY THAT ARE RIGHT WING HATE NAZI SOURCES> STUPID CHARGE THAT DEMOCRATS ARE SOCIALIST < WHAT A JOKE THERE IS NO SOCIALISM COMMUNISM OR MARXISM IN NUMBERS ENOUGH TO FILL A TEA POT> THAT IS TOP NOTCH HATE PARTY STUPID,.
I've read a lot of books about Hitler and Nazi Germany, you should give it a chance as well, educate yourself, maybe then you wouldn't be a sheep for his policies the DNC pushes, or fall for their propganda so easily

I wouldn't say Trump had political control, quite the opposite! He was no polished politican with control, like Obama, Harris or Biden....or Hitler....that's for sure.....you maybe the only one that I know that would suggest he did

I am curious how you know Trump only read one book though....

Hitler started the National SOCIALIST German Worker's party.....what do you think NAZI means?
You have no clue what you are talking about ,The party was started by Anton Drexler, It was to pull People away from communism, it emerged from the populist freikorps paramilitary culture. The party was created to draw workers away from communism and into volkish nationalism. The Socialist name was put in early at the advise of Martin Borman because of the popularity of the times in their interest of Socialism throughout Europe. Your just adding to peoples opinion on what a bullshitter you are, Fake it or lie until you make it. You lose again. when the open their mouths it is a lie always.
he was hitler"s mentor that formed the german worker"s party< yes they hated communism< and were socialist

the socialist name is because they believe in socialist principals>>>>but believed in a third way>>>facism>>>which is a combination of socialist and a little capitalism>>>>>what we are seeing from the modern dnc>>>>>where some large businesses are favored< and as long they work for the party
hated communist but were socialist, anything more stupid then that remark, hated Demacracy but were a republic. or hated republic but were a demacracy. Ya you betcha!
um....Communism and Socialism are two different systems. It's more like hating coffee, but enjoying hot tea

a Democracy is system of Govt in which the people vote, usually using a Republic style of Govt, in which they vote for Representatives, who do the legislation. It's more like enjoying coffee, but enjoying a tall mug to deliver it.
You have no clue , you are a non stop bullshiter, So you say communism and socialism are the same, here you go hotshot buried under you ignorance one more time, everything you have said in this whole thread has been bullshit-So what did Marx and Engelssay about your bullshit------"The socialist mode of production, also referred to as the communist mode of production, the lower-stage of communism or simply socialism as Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels used the terms communism and socialism interchangeably, is a specific historical phase of economic development and its corresponding set of social relations that emerge from capitalism in the schema of historical materialism within Marxist theory." Communism - Wikipedia, like I said I love debating stupid people its like bullying the smallest person in the room.
No actually I said they aren't the same....because they are two totally different things I like how you say what did Marx say, and then refer to a Wiki page..

but Sociallism is certainly a "lower form" if you will. Socialism is when Govt owns the means and production....Communism is when there is no Govt at all, the people own it all collectively. Socialism was what Marx referred to as the middle stage between Capitalism and Communism.

We have never had a true Communist society in the World..only different degrees of Socialism....Hitler believed in yet another way....Mussonlini's Fascism....which, is what we see the modern Dems pushing in this country. A system where the Govt allows 'some" private businesses, typically large big businesses, to operate, so long as they are doing work for the party.
You can;t make anyone believe they aren't the same if Marx and Engels says they are exactly the same and used both to define The same thing. won't work ace , one more time for effect here is your stupid remark"um....Communism and Socialism are two different systems. It's more like hating coffee, but enjoying hot tea" and here is what Marx and Engels said about it.""The socialist mode of production, also referred to as the communist mode of production, the lower-stage of communism or simply socialism as Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels used the terms communism and socialism interchangeably, is a specific historical phase of economic development and its corresponding set of social relations that emerge from capitalism in the schema of historical materialism within Marxist theory." Communism " Again you are buried under your own ignorance and I;m caring the shovel that is doing it.
They didn't say they were the same....you aren't quoting Marx and Engels you are quoting wikipedia

Communism is when the public, the people as whole, own the means of production, and the results of the means....there is no Govt

Socialism, is when the Govt own the means of production, and the results....Communism is a more advanced form of Socialism....the next stage if you will.
Idiot what does this mean , yourt full of crap ""The socialist mode of production, also referred to as the communist mode of production, the lower-stage of communism or simply socialism as Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels used the terms communism and socialism interchangeably, " your so full of crap
That means you quoted wikipedia.

I told you the difference between the two.....

Marx himself didn't refer to socialism as socialism, he simply referred to it as "a Communist society that has not reached its higher stage" Critique of the Gotha Programme, Karl Marx

But he recognized that they were two different things, clearly
Ace he refereed to the fact that there was two stages of communism , nothing about socialism being the first phase. Read your own comment and tell me what the hell you think it means, Here is you comment you put up "Marx himself didn't refer to socialism as socialism, he simply referred to it as "a Communist society that has not reached its higher stage" Critique of the Gotha Programme, Karl Marx"
the whole Critique of the Gotha programme was against the German socialistic party congress defining it as socialism and it wasn't', to him it was the first stage of communism. You aren't going to win this you just don't know what you are talking about , your supporters I don't give a shit about, I only care what people than have the capacity to think , think about what I have to say.
Yes, he didn't come up with the term....but it's what it's been referred to since, because as he even recognized, it's a different thing. That is all I mean trying to say, you can be a fan of socialism...Govt control, and dislike Communism....where the Govt isn't involved.

Marx didn't like the Social Democratic Party of Germany's platform, a Socialist party, he was a fan of Communism.
You don't know enough about this to win this argument , you have made that clear with your multiple wrong definition of what they are. There has been tons of wings of both socialism and communist,. Across the board every one of these that have a tag word on it before or after. Are not socialism anymore . Marx said they were the same thing. because socialism to him was just lower communism , So did Engels. Its idiots all over this country that try to define what socialism is to attack stupidly the idea that Democrats are socialist, people with brains know their is no effective socialism communism or Marxism in this country and there never will be , that's just hate Nazi bullshit. When they open their mouth it is a lie.
Everything I said was right....yes Socialism to Marx was DIFFERENT stage of Communism....I agree. That's why you can be a socialist and hate communism, because they are different.

Socialism, is socialism, is socialism....it always fails and leads to poverty, less freedom and totalarian abuses...you are right that leftist often put different names in front of it, National Socialism, "Democratic" Socialism, whatever to make it sound better after the last epic failure.
You didn't even read your own Source , it was Marx last word on communism before he died. What The German socialist party called socialism, they defined it as the first stage of communism. he said bullshit , communism comes in two stages , and the first stage is not socialism , it is just called the first stage of communism. He and Engels refereed to them as the same until the German socialist redefined Marx and Engels first stage of communism. . And that is exactly what your own reference(Critique of the Gotha Programme, Karl Marx" ) said and meant. You aren't making one inch of headway. But I'm having fun so go right ahead with your bullshit.
Um I did read it....what we call Socialism, Marx called the first stage of Communism....and...he acknowledged it was different then what Communism is.

I have no doubt I am not making headway with you, even when you are acknowleding what I said that they are two different things....which is rather amazing
You won't make headway, every time I show what a idiot you are and prove it with your own references , you go back to read it over and over and you still can't decipher what it says, catch up ace. when the open their mouths they are lying!!!!!Yuk! Yuk!
I read what you said, you said they are the same thing, I provided 1) how they are defined differently 2) Marx acknowleiding they are two different things

Let me ask you then, to define them....please
Don't have to Lennon made it more then clear, That socialism is just a made up word to describe the first stage of communism, that it isn't the transition between capitalism and communism. But your not very bright and can't admit that you wrong ,so this isn't for you it's for a brain that has the capacity to think. " The great significance of Marx's explanation is, that here too, he consistently applies materialist dialectics, the theory of development, and regards communism as something which develops out of capitalism. Instead of scholastically invented, 'concocted' definitions and fruitless disputes over words (What is socialism? What is communism?), Marx gives analysis of what might be called the stages of the economic maturity of communism" this from your own souse that doesn't in any way support your bullshit, YOUR OWN SOURCE Critique of the Gotha Programme
Lennon? John?

So you can't define the word? Either of them?

Yes, my own source, Marx made clear that Communism developes out of Capitalism....I don't disagree, that's his theory, and he recognize that there are different stages of that development. We call the "middle" stage Socialism, he referred to it, and recognized it as something different then the end goal, Communism, but referred to it as "early stage Communism" - but nonetheless different, and the final stage is something that folks that like the "early stage" can dislike, or fight against. Those of us that like freedom, don't like any stage
I don't give a shit what you call it, don't be a idiot. Boy you are the last person here that I care what you think.
 

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In the newsw today-trump has more to worry about than tax returns and civil suits. As has been said, if you make your bed you have to lay in it

Trump's legal future might hang on juries in cities where he is loathed: attorney - Raw Story - Celebrating 16 Years of Independent Journalism

Writing for Above The Law, attorney Mark Herrmann explained that he is of two minds as to what Donald Trump's legal future holds -- with multiple investigations being launched in multiple cities -- but admitted that, should any trial reach a jury, the ex-president may not like the end result.
Aside from a possible federal investigation into his role in inciting the Jan. 6th insurrection that led to multiple deaths and over $300 million in damages to the Capitol building, Trump is also facing investigations by Manhattan's district attorney, New York's attorney general, the District of Columbia district attorney and Fulton County (Georgia) district attorney Fani Willis for election meddling.
 

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In the newsw today-trump has more to worry about than tax returns and civil suits. As has been said, if you make your bed you have to lay in it

Trump's legal future might hang on juries in cities where he is loathed: attorney - Raw Story - Celebrating 16 Years of Independent Journalism

Writing for Above The Law, attorney Mark Herrmann explained that he is of two minds as to what Donald Trump's legal future holds -- with multiple investigations being launched in multiple cities -- but admitted that, should any trial reach a jury, the ex-president may not like the end result.
Aside from a possible federal investigation into his role in inciting the Jan. 6th insurrection that led to multiple deaths and over $300 million in damages to the Capitol building, Trump is also facing investigations by Manhattan's district attorney, New York's attorney general, the District of Columbia district attorney and Fulton County (Georgia) district attorney Fani Willis for election meddling.
 

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