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RE: BREAKING: The UN concludes that Israel has established an APARTHEID REGIME...
SUBTOPIC: Apartheid

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⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: Because it is not "apartheid." There is No "racial" component (See Ref "a"). Israel is actually more diverse that and of the adjacent either the West Bank or Gaza Strip. There is not cultural component on the Arab Palestinian side of the "border" marking the Sovereignty of Israel then there is on the Israeli side.

(REFERENCE)

a. SOURCE: Article 7(2h) • Crimes Against Humanity • Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court

b. Zionism is NOT a form of racism or racial discrimination. SOURCE: A/RES/46/86, 16 December 1991, Decides to revoke the determination contained in its resolution 3379 (XXX) Database 'UNISPAL', View 'Documents by\symbol', Document 'Elimination of all forms of racial discrimination -  GA resolution' of 10 November 1975.

Key factors about Israel:

Ethnic groups
Jewish 74.4% (of which Israel-born 76.9%, Europe/America/Oceania-born 15.9%, Africa-born 4.6%, Asia-born 2.6%), Arab 20.9%, other 4.7% (2018 est.)
Languages
Hebrew (official), Arabic (special status under Israeli law), English (most commonly used foreign language)
Religions
Jewish 74.3%, Muslim 17.8%, Christian 1.9%, Druze 1.6%, other 4.4% (2018 est.)

c. SOURCE: Article 7 (1) (j). Crime against humanity of APARTHEID Elements of the Offense of "Apartheid", International Criminal Court Rome Statutes • The conduct was committed in the context of an institutionalized regime of systematic oppression and domination by one racial group over any other racial group or groups.

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There are true fallacies which I would like to bring you attention:


◈ Argument from ignorance (appeal to ignorance, argumentum ad ignorantiam) – assuming that a claim is true because it has not been or cannot be proven false, or vice versa.​
◈ The Arab Palestinians suggests that they need not prove their claim, but, the Israelis must prove the Arab Palestinian claim of Apartheid is false.​

It is the Arab Palestinian Prosecutor that must demonstrate the Elements of the Offense. Among other considerations there is: Article 22 Nullum crimen sine lege • Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court.

The definition of a crime shall be strictly construed and shall not be extended by analogy. In case of ambiguity, the definition shall be interpreted in favour of the person being investigated, prosecuted or convicted.​

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RE: BREAKING: The UN concludes that Israel has established an APARTHEID REGIME...
SUBTOPIC: Apartheid (2)
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: The Human Rights Watch (HRW) Report is NOT a game changer. HRW cannot just change the definition, or expand the interpretation of International Law just so they can make an argument to apply the charge of "Apartheid." That is NOT how the International Rule of Law (RoL) works.

(COMMENT)

Rule of Law
: (See Posting # 1481).
Article 22 Nullum crimen sine lege • Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court.

The definition of a crime shall be strictly construed and shall not be extended by analogy. In case of ambiguity, the definition shall be interpreted in favour of the person being investigated, prosecuted or convicted.

You simply cannot change the definition
(changing "Racial Group" → to → "Ethnic Groups") for the sole purpose of manipulating the law to fit your agenda. In the case of South Africa, the racial difference was clear cut (Black versus White). The question becomes: What are the two races, the dominate race 'vs' the dominated race?

If we are talking about expanding the definition "Ethnic Groups", how does that impact the comparative analysis?


CIA FACTBOOK West Bank:
Ethnic groups
Palestinian Arab, Jewish, other​
CIA FACTBOOK Israel:
Ethnic groups
Jewish 74.4% (of which Israel-born 76.9%, Europe/America/Oceania-born 15.9%, Africa-born 4.6%, Asia-born 2.6%), Arab 20.9%, other 4.7% (2018 est.)​

Question: What Ethnic Group does Israel Exclude which would warrant the tag "Apartheid?" Which of the two populations are more diverse?

(EPILOG)

The initial conclusion was correct: The criticisms of racism and apartheid are “baseless” and “outrageous." Clearly, IF we abort the "strict" application of Nullum crimen sine lege and expand the definition to include "Ethnic Groups" THEN Israel becomes the more diverse culture - more inclusive. No "Apartheid."
IF we comply with the Nullum crimen sine lege in the Rule of Law,
THEN the application of the "Apartheid" becomes fallacious.

One final note. When making the comparison between the two sides of the wall, we have to insure that we compare "apples" to "apples." Comparing Arab Palestinians (claiming to be the dominated) to Jews (et al) (accused of being the dominating race) is NOT a like comparison.


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RE: BREAKING: The UN concludes that Israel has established an APARTHEID REGIME...
SUBTOPIC: Apartheid (2)
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: Again, you DID NOT Answer the question?

You simply cannot change the definition (changing "Racial Group" → to → "Ethnic Groups") for the sole purpose of manipulating the law to fit your agenda.
the term "racial discrimination" shall mean any distinction, exclusion, restriction or preference based on race, colour, descent, or national or ethnic origin
(COMMENT)

What are you using as the distinction, exclusion, restriction or preference? You will notice that in the definition of "racial discrimination" there is a distinction made between "race"
(one distinction) and "ethnic origin" (another distinction). What does the Rule of Law say about "ambiguity?"

⁜→ What is dominating who?
⁜→ Which of the two cultures is the more inclusive?

In the regional Ethnic Context, IF you are born in the Region (Israel-born 76.9%), what is your Ethnic Group? What is your Ethnic Origin?
President Mahmoud Abbas said:
Even as talks for a permanent Israeli-Palestinian peace got off to a cautious start in Washington Monday, Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas told reporters in Egypt that no Israelis would be allowed to remain in a future Palestinian state.
SOURCE: Times of Israel, Abbas pledges: There will be no Israelis in Palestine, By STUART WINER 30 July 2013,

IF you are going to apply the International Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination, who is discriminating agains who?

⁜→ How does the definition work in determining a citizenship or nationality? What is the defining difference?
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RE: BREAKING: The UN concludes that Israel has established an APARTHEID REGIME...
SUBTOPIC: Apartheid (2)
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: Again, you DID NOT Answer the question?

You simply cannot change the definition (changing "Racial Group" → to → "Ethnic Groups") for the sole purpose of manipulating the law to fit your agenda.
the term "racial discrimination" shall mean any distinction, exclusion, restriction or preference based on race, colour, descent, or national or ethnic origin
(COMMENT)

What are you using as the distinction, exclusion, restriction or preference? You will notice that in the definition of "racial discrimination" there is a distinction made between "race"
(one distinction) and "ethnic origin" (another distinction). What does the Rule of Law say about "ambiguity?"

⁜→ What is dominating who?
⁜→ Which of the two cultures is the more inclusive?

In the regional Ethnic Context, IF you are born in the Region (Israel-born 76.9%), what is your Ethnic Group? What is your Ethnic Origin?
President Mahmoud Abbas said:
Even as talks for a permanent Israeli-Palestinian peace got off to a cautious start in Washington Monday, Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas told reporters in Egypt that no Israelis would be allowed to remain in a future Palestinian state.
SOURCE: Times of Israel, Abbas pledges: There will be no Israelis in Palestine, By STUART WINER 30 July 2013,

IF you are going to apply the International Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination, who is discriminating agains who?

⁜→ How does the definition work in determining a citizenship or nationality? What is the defining difference?
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I am trying to figure out what straws you are grasping at.
 

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RE: BREAKING: The UN concludes that Israel has established an APARTHEID REGIME...
SUBTOPIC: Apartheid (3)
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: Again, you DID NOT Answer the questions?


⁜→ What is dominating who?
⁜→ Which of the two cultures is the more inclusive?
⁜→ What is your Ethnic Origin?
⁜→ How does the definition work in determining a citizenship or nationality?
⁜→ What is the defining difference?
(COMMENT)

To avoid "ambiguity" these questions need answered. What group of people do the West Bank and Gaza Strip have that is not represented in Israel?

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You simply cannot change the definition (changing "Racial Group" → to → "Ethnic Groups") for the sole purpose of manipulating the law to fit your agenda.
the term "racial discrimination" shall mean any distinction, exclusion, restriction or preference based on race, colour, descent, or national or ethnic origin

You may choose to accept that the UN can redefine terms when they find it convenient but that leaves you to deny, sidestep and deflect from apartheid™ practiced by the racists in Gaza and the West Bank.

How does it reflect on you to be such a racist?
 

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RE: BREAKING: The UN concludes that Israel has established an APARTHEID REGIME...
SUBTOPIC: Apartheid (3)
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: Again, you DID NOT Answer the questions?


⁜→ What is dominating who?
⁜→ Which of the two cultures is the more inclusive?
⁜→ What is your Ethnic Origin?
⁜→ How does the definition work in determining a citizenship or nationality?
⁜→ What is the defining difference?
(COMMENT)

To avoid "ambiguity" these questions need answered. What group of people do the West Bank and Gaza Strip have that is not represented in Israel?

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I don't see any ambiguity.
 

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Israel, a tiny country in the Middle East wants to maintain a Jewish majority and has been taking steps to do so.
Muslims have plenty of Muslim majority Countries, there are plenty of Hindu majority countries; Christian’s as well. But when Jews take steps to assure that their country remains a Jewish majority, people scream “Apartheid!!”
 

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RE: BREAKING: The UN concludes that Israel has established an APARTHEID REGIME...
SUBTOPIC: Apartheid (3)
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: Again, you DID NOT Answer the questions?


⁜→ What is dominating who?
⁜→ Which of the two cultures is the more inclusive?
⁜→ What is your Ethnic Origin?
⁜→ How does the definition work in determining a citizenship or nationality?
⁜→ What is the defining difference?
(COMMENT)

To avoid "ambiguity" these questions need answered. What group of people do the West Bank and Gaza Strip have that is not represented in Israel?

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R
I don't see any ambiguity.
You aren’t equipped to.
 

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RE: BREAKING: The UN concludes that Israel has established an APARTHEID REGIME...
SUBTOPIC: Apartheid (3)
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: You did not answer the questions...


I don't see any ambiguity.
(COMMENT)

IF
you cannot answer the question, THEN you cannot explain your allegations...

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RE: BREAKING: The UN concludes that Israel has established an APARTHEID REGIME...
SUBTOPIC: Apartheid (3)
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: You did not answer the questions...


I don't see any ambiguity.
(COMMENT)

IF
you cannot answer the question, THEN you cannot explain your allegations...

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Your questions are there to confuse the issue.
 

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RE: BREAKING: The UN concludes that Israel has established an APARTHEID REGIME...
SUBTOPIC: Apartheid (3)
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: You did not answer the questions...


I don't see any ambiguity.
(COMMENT)

IF
you cannot answer the question, THEN you cannot explain your allegations...

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Most Respectfully,
R
Your questions are there to confuse the issue.
You literally just described yourself.
 

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