BREAKING: The UN concludes that Israel has established an APARTHEID REGIME...

[P F Tinmore]

So then, why does the IDF <snip> go to quell a demonstration that does not matter?

Well, because in Nabi Saleh, as an example, the protest is violent and marches toward Halamish. The IDF stands on the road preventing the violent protesters from reaching the Jewish town, thus protecting both the Jews there and the Palestinians. So they are NOT sitting at home. Nor are they protesting in their village.

For first time, weekly Nabi Saleh protest reaches destination: its own spring

Dozens of residents of Nabi Saleh, joined by supporters from Israel and abroad, marked a historic victory on Friday when they succeeded in reaching the village’s confiscated spring.

Nabi Saleh is a small village of approximately 550 people, twenty kilometers northwest of Ramallah in the West Bank. Halamish (also known as Neveh Tzuf ) was established on lands belonging to the villages of Nabi Saleh and Deir Nidham in 1976.

For first time, weekly Nabi Saleh protest reaches destination: its own spring | +972 Magazine

They are protesting in their own village.

That's a lie,
they basically have to reach 2 big roads to an area adjacent to the slope of a mountain where Halamish and other Arab villages are located. It's a different area geographically and visually, a different neighborhood.

That claim is based on a say so. Since the Tamimis first established their settlement of 5 houses there in 1877, their neighborhood always stayed in the same location close to the green to the north-east from the land they claim, their Nabi Saleh settlement never reached the spring and it's apparent for anyone who looks at a satellite image -
they're reaching out 2 km walking with their kids from their village, to a central road where they can create confrontation with police.

These are all coordinated actions, and recently we see they're being done at intervals of 10-15 min within the beginning of Hamas confrontations.

Do you have links to that horseshit, or did you make it up yourself?

 

[P F Tinmore]

ARTICLE 3 • Convention on Rights and Duties of States (inter-American); December 26, 1933
The political existence of the state is independent of recognition by the other states. Even before recognition the state has the right to defend its integrity and independence,

Indeed.

A/C.1/330 of 14 October 1948

 

[rylah]

So then, why does the IDF <snip> go to quell a demonstration that does not matter?

Well, because in Nabi Saleh, as an example, the protest is violent and marches toward Halamish. The IDF stands on the road preventing the violent protesters from reaching the Jewish town, thus protecting both the Jews there and the Palestinians. So they are NOT sitting at home. Nor are they protesting in their village.

For first time, weekly Nabi Saleh protest reaches destination: its own spring

Dozens of residents of Nabi Saleh, joined by supporters from Israel and abroad, marked a historic victory on Friday when they succeeded in reaching the village’s confiscated spring.

Nabi Saleh is a small village of approximately 550 people, twenty kilometers northwest of Ramallah in the West Bank. Halamish (also known as Neveh Tzuf ) was established on lands belonging to the villages of Nabi Saleh and Deir Nidham in 1976.

For first time, weekly Nabi Saleh protest reaches destination: its own spring | +972 Magazine

They are protesting in their own village.

That's a lie,
they basically have to reach 2 big roads to an area adjacent to the slope of a mountain where Halamish and other Arab villages are located. It's a different area geographically and visually, a different neighborhood.

That claim is based on a say so. Since the Tamimis first established their settlement of 5 houses there in 1877, their neighborhood always stayed in the same location close to the green to the north-east from the land they claim, their Nabi Saleh settlement never reached the spring and it's apparent for anyone who looks at a satellite image -
they're reaching out 2 km walking with their kids from their village, to a central road where they can create confrontation with police.

These are all coordinated actions, and recently we see they're being done at intervals of 10-15 min within the beginning of Hamas confrontations.

Do you have links to that horseshit, or did you make it up yourself?

In 1870 Turkish survey shows only 5 houses in Nabi Saleh settlement of the Tamimi tribe:
Zeitschrift des Deutschen Palästina-Vereins

Their settlement never reached beyond a couple hundred meters beyond the border of Safa forest, seen by any satellite image, which will show You that Nabi Salih is 2km away from that spring, separated by 2 roads they have to cross.

The spring is on another hill 2 km away.
Before the kids of Neve Tsuf fixed its condition, installed benches and a shade in 2009 the Tamimis didn't care.

 

[Hollie]

ARTICLE 3 • Convention on Rights and Duties of States (inter-American); December 26, 1933
The political existence of the state is independent of recognition by the other states. Even before recognition the state has the right to defend its integrity and independence,

Indeed.

A/C.1/330 of 14 October 1948

Indeed.

You’re again befuddled.

 

[Mindful]

ARTICLE 3 • Convention on Rights and Duties of States (inter-American); December 26, 1933
The political existence of the state is independent of recognition by the other states. Even before recognition the state has the right to defend its integrity and independence,

Indeed.

A/C.1/330 of 14 October 1948

Indeed.

You’re again befuddled.

He has a ruthless agenda.

 

[ForeverYoung436]

So then, why does the IDF <snip> go to quell a demonstration that does not matter?

Well, because in Nabi Saleh, as an example, the protest is violent and marches toward Halamish. The IDF stands on the road preventing the violent protesters from reaching the Jewish town, thus protecting both the Jews there and the Palestinians. So they are NOT sitting at home. Nor are they protesting in their village.

For first time, weekly Nabi Saleh protest reaches destination: its own spring

Dozens of residents of Nabi Saleh, joined by supporters from Israel and abroad, marked a historic victory on Friday when they succeeded in reaching the village’s confiscated spring.

Nabi Saleh is a small village of approximately 550 people, twenty kilometers northwest of Ramallah in the West Bank. Halamish (also known as Neveh Tzuf ) was established on lands belonging to the villages of Nabi Saleh and Deir Nidham in 1976.

For first time, weekly Nabi Saleh protest reaches destination: its own spring | +972 Magazine

They are protesting in their own village.

That's a lie,
they basically have to reach 2 big roads to an area adjacent to the slope of a mountain where Halamish and other Arab villages are located. It's a different area geographically and visually, a different neighborhood.

That claim is based on a say so. Since the Tamimis first established their settlement of 5 houses there in 1877, their neighborhood always stayed in the same location close to the green to the north-east from the land they claim, their Nabi Saleh settlement never reached the spring and it's apparent for anyone who looks at a satellite image -
they're reaching out 2 km walking with their kids from their village, to a central road where they can create confrontation with police.

These are all coordinated actions, and recently we see they're being done at intervals of 10-15 min within the beginning of Hamas confrontations.

Do you have links to that horseshit, or did you make it up yourself?

He lives in the area. You have never even set foot in Israel or the West Bank.

 

[Slyhunter]

The comparison between the Israeli Forces and the Jihadist, the Fedayeen, Hostile Insurgents, Radicalized Islamic Followers, and Asymmetric fighters of Arab Palestinians is no contest.

Indeed, Israel is trying to steal all of Palestine and get rid of the Palestinians while the Palestinians are trying to defend themselves. There is no contest.

If that is true how come they're not all dead?

 

[Shusha]

For first time, weekly Nabi Saleh protest reaches destination: its own spring

Dozens of residents of Nabi Saleh, joined by supporters from Israel and abroad, marked a historic victory on Friday when they succeeded in reaching the village’s confiscated spring.

Nabi Saleh is a small village of approximately 550 people, twenty kilometers northwest of Ramallah in the West Bank. Halamish (also known as Neveh Tzuf ) was established on lands belonging to the villages of Nabi Saleh and Deir Nidham in 1976.

For first time, weekly Nabi Saleh protest reaches destination: its own spring | +972 Magazine

They are protesting in their own village.

Oh please. You are trying to tell me that the Tamimi family's bombing of a pizza place filled with children in Jerusalem in 2001 is all over a small SPRING and a dispute about the borders of privately owned land? Give me a break.

Much of the world has been duped into thinking that. But you, of all people, are smarter than that. You know the true goal. You share it.

 

[JQPublic1]

Who cares what the UN says about Israel? I think the UN is a worthless, bias, power hungry organization that should have been abandoned decades ago. See how that works?

Like before 1948? The world sure would be a helluva lot better off had they not given Palestine to extremist Jews.

Did anyone really believe that the UN giving Palestine to extremist Jews would bode well for peace?

I believe you meant to say - gave it back to them. The land belonged to the Jews before their return. It's their land.

Extremist Jews? I've never heard of an extremist Jew before. Just like I've never hear of a jihadist Jew, a Jewish terrorist or a Jewish suicide bomber.

The Canaanites occupied the Levant prior to the first Jewish invasion .

 

[Indeependent]

Who cares what the UN says about Israel? I think the UN is a worthless, bias, power hungry organization that should have been abandoned decades ago. See how that works?

Like before 1948? The world sure would be a helluva lot better off had they not given Palestine to extremist Jews.

Did anyone really believe that the UN giving Palestine to extremist Jews would bode well for peace?

I believe you meant to say - gave it back to them. The land belonged to the Jews before their return. It's their land.

Extremist Jews? I've never heard of an extremist Jew before. Just like I've never hear of a jihadist Jew, a Jewish terrorist or a Jewish suicide bomber.

The Canaanites occupied the Levant prior to the first Jewish invasion .

The Shemites were invaded by the Canaanites...checkmate.

 

[ForeverYoung436]

Who cares what the UN says about Israel? I think the UN is a worthless, bias, power hungry organization that should have been abandoned decades ago. See how that works?

Like before 1948? The world sure would be a helluva lot better off had they not given Palestine to extremist Jews.

Did anyone really believe that the UN giving Palestine to extremist Jews would bode well for peace?

I believe you meant to say - gave it back to them. The land belonged to the Jews before their return. It's their land.

Extremist Jews? I've never heard of an extremist Jew before. Just like I've never hear of a jihadist Jew, a Jewish terrorist or a Jewish suicide bomber.

The Canaanites occupied the Levant prior to the first Jewish invasion .

The Shemites were invaded by the Canaanites...checkmate.

That's interesting. Do you mean Shem, King of Jerusalem, who blessed Abraham after his nephew Lot was captured?

 

[JQPublic1]

Who cares what the UN says about Israel? I think the UN is a worthless, bias, power hungry organization that should have been abandoned decades ago. See how that works?

Like before 1948? The world sure would be a helluva lot better off had they not given Palestine to extremist Jews.

Did anyone really believe that the UN giving Palestine to extremist Jews would bode well for peace?

I believe you meant to say - gave it back to them. The land belonged to the Jews before their return. It's their land.

Extremist Jews? I've never heard of an extremist Jew before. Just like I've never hear of a jihadist Jew, a Jewish terrorist or a Jewish suicide bomber.

The Canaanites occupied the Levant prior to the first Jewish invasion .

The Shemites were invaded by the Canaanites...checkmate.

That's interesting. Do you mean Shem, King of Jerusalem, who blessed Abraham after his nephew Lot was captured?

The Caananites and subsequent Phonecians were known to precede the Israelites. But my question is were the Caanites themselves Israelites os a different tribe.All people of the era descended from NOAH. but Caanan was isolated from their Jewish fold and were made to he enemies that needed to be conquered. Very strange.

 

[RoccoR]

RE: BREAKING: The UN concludes that Israel has established an APARTHEID REGIME...
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

There are two things wrong with this.

Indeed.
A/C.1/330 of 14 October 1948

(COMMENT)

First: The CABLEGRAM DATED • 28 SEPTEMBER 1948 by the All Palestine Government (APG), came four months after the Israeli Declaration of 15 MAY. The fact that the APG attempted to submit an a formal announcement of Independence, is evidence (in itself) that the APG knew that it has no valid sovereignty and a dubious claim at best.

The rules and thumbnail explanations cited here are give rise the the ramification that you cannot claim that which is already under sovereign control.
(See: State Territory and Territorial Sovereignty Private Site for Legal Research and Studies‎ > ‎My International Law Studies [In English]‎ > Dr Walid Abdulranhim, Professor of Law, Beirut University.

✪ Occupation

Occupation is an original mode of acquisition by a State of a title to a territory. It implies the establishment of sovereignty over a territory not under the authority of any other State (terra nullius) whether newly discovered or abandoned by the State formerly in control (unlikely to occur).

For the title acquired through occupation to be final and valid under International Law, the presence and control of a State over the concerned territory must be effective.​

✪ Prescription

Prescription is a mode of establishing title to territory which is subject to the sovereignty of another State (not terra nullius) through peaceful exercise of de facto sovereignty over a long period of time. It is the legitimization of a doubtful title by the passage of time and the presumed acquiescence of the former sovereignty. It differs from occupation.​

✪ Accretion

Accretion is a geographical process by which new land is formed mainly through natural causes and becomes attached to existing land.​

✪ Cession

Cession of territory is a transfer of sovereignty from one sovereign to another.Cession of territory is a transfer of sovereignty from one sovereign to another.​

✪ Conquest and Annexation

Although today conquest is not a legal mode of acquiring title to territory, it does give the victor certain rights under International Law as regards the occupied territory, such as rights of belligerent occupation. The territory remains the legal possession of the ousted sovereign because sovereignty does not pass by conquest to the occupying State, although it may pass in certain cases where the legal status of the territory occupied is in dispute prior to the conquest.

At present times, acquisition of territory following a war would require further international action in addition to internal legislation to annex. Such further international action would be either a treaty of cession by the former sovereign or international recognition.

Modern examples of annexation following conquest are Israel’s annexation of the Golan Heights and the East Jerusalem, and Iraq’s annexation of Kuwait in 1990. In case of the Iraqi annexation, the Security Council adopted the resolution 662 of 1990 declaring that this annexation “has no legal validity and is considered null and void”, and called upon all States not to recognize this annexation and to refrain from actions which might be interpreted as indirect recognition.​

In the dialog here (for our discussion), we are more concerned with the modes (factored to the thumbnail simplest form) of:

✪ Occupation (most probable)
✪ Conquest and Annexation (very possible)​

Now, several members of the Discussion Group have postulated that the situation in the Occupied Territories exhibits framework that might be described as:

✪ The occupation of the territories is a fact of power; predicated and capitalized upon through Political-Military and Diplomatic mistakes.

✪ The occupation of the territories is legally permissible absent a Contemporary and/or International Humanitarian Law (IHL) prohibiting occupation.

✪ To present into evidence recognized criteria or norms that governs the situation as it exists, and that makes a distinction between a "legal occupation" and an "illegal occupation." Defining the criteria the differentiates between the two conditions.​

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[ForeverYoung436]

Like before 1948? The world sure would be a helluva lot better off had they not given Palestine to extremist Jews.

Did anyone really believe that the UN giving Palestine to extremist Jews would bode well for peace?

I believe you meant to say - gave it back to them. The land belonged to the Jews before their return. It's their land.

Extremist Jews? I've never heard of an extremist Jew before. Just like I've never hear of a jihadist Jew, a Jewish terrorist or a Jewish suicide bomber.

The Canaanites occupied the Levant prior to the first Jewish invasion .

The Shemites were invaded by the Canaanites...checkmate.

That's interesting. Do you mean Shem, King of Jerusalem, who blessed Abraham after his nephew Lot was captured?

The Caananites and subsequent Phonecians were known to precede the Israelites. But my question is were the Caanites themselves Israelites os a different tribe.All people of the era descended from NOAH. but Caanan was isolated from their Jewish fold and were made to he enemies that needed to be conquered. Very strange.

Noah had 3 sons--Shem, Ham and Japheth. Ham was the father of Canaan. There is a legend that Melchizedek, King of Jerusalem, was really Shem. But, in general, it is agreed that the Canaanites were in possession of the Land before the Israelites, under Joshua (descendants of Shem), conquered the Land of Israel.

Rashi was a commentator on the Torah. He wrote that if the nations of the world call us thieves for taking the Land from the Canaanites, we should tell them, "G-d created the world and it belongs to Him. He gave it to the Canaanites. When they sinned by committing incest and child-sacrifices, He took it from them and gave it to us."

The Canaanites are no longer in existence. Between us and the so-called Palestinians, WE are the indigenous natives of the Land of Israel.

 

[P F Tinmore]

First: The CABLEGRAM DATED • 28 SEPTEMBER 1948 by the All Palestine Government (APG), came four months after the Israeli Declaration of 15 MAY.

So?

 

[Hollie]

First: The CABLEGRAM DATED • 28 SEPTEMBER 1948 by the All Palestine Government (APG), came four months after the Israeli Declaration of 15 MAY.

So?

So, either you don’t understand and need extra help or you do understand and prefer to retreat to a pointless conjunction.

 

[ForeverYoung436]

First: The CABLEGRAM DATED • 28 SEPTEMBER 1948 by the All Palestine Government (APG), came four months after the Israeli Declaration of 15 MAY.

So?

So, either you don’t understand and need extra help or you do understand and prefer to retreat to a pointless conjunction.

1) The Palestinian Declaration came 4 months too late. They missed the bus. "The early bird catches the worm."

2) This "All Palestine Government" was controlled by Egypt.

 

[P F Tinmore]

The rules and thumbnail explanations cited here are give rise the the ramification that you cannot claim that which is already under sovereign control.

You are confusing military control with sovereign control. Military control is occupation and occupations do not acquire sovereignty.

 

[P F Tinmore]

First: The CABLEGRAM DATED • 28 SEPTEMBER 1948 by the All Palestine Government (APG), came four months after the Israeli Declaration of 15 MAY.

So?

So, either you don’t understand and need extra help or you do understand and prefer to retreat to a pointless conjunction.

1) The Palestinian Declaration came 4 months too late. They missed the bus. "The early bird catches the worm."

2) This "All Palestine Government" was controlled by Egypt.

What makes you say too late. The Palestinians do not need anyone's approval to declare independence.

 

[Hollie]

First: The CABLEGRAM DATED • 28 SEPTEMBER 1948 by the All Palestine Government (APG), came four months after the Israeli Declaration of 15 MAY.

So?

So, either you don’t understand and need extra help or you do understand and prefer to retreat to a pointless conjunction.

1) The Palestinian Declaration came 4 months too late. They missed the bus. "The early bird catches the worm."

2) This "All Palestine Government" was controlled by Egypt.

Yep. Adding from Rocco’s post: “...the APG knew that it has no valid sovereignty and a dubious claim at best.”