BREAKING: The UN concludes that Israel has established an APARTHEID REGIME...

[Shusha]

Link to where Palestine changed its name?

Declaration of the Establishment of the State of Israel.

HEREBY DECLARE THE ESTABLISHMENT OF A JEWISH STATE IN ERETZ-ISRAEL, TO BE KNOWN AS THE STATE OF ISRAEL.

...the People's Council shall act as a Provisional Council of State, and its executive organ, the People's Administration, shall be the Provisional Government of the Jewish State, to be called "Israel".

 

[RoccoR]

RE: The UN concludes that Israel has established an APARTHEID REGIME...
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

Yeah I don't think that allegation holds water.

Annexation is what it is. The only way to overturn annexation is through voluntary return or through force.

It is illegal to acquire territory through force.

(COMMENT)

While the Charter is often attributed to that thought, what it actually says is:

• All Members shall refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any state, or in any other manner inconsistent with the Purposes of the United Nations.
• It does not prohibit the occupation of territory overrun in hot pursuit of aggressor Arabs.

√ In 1967, what Palestinian country was the rightful sovereign of that territory?
​

Customary Law (the established pattern of behavior for nations) is a strange thing.

• China was not held accountable for the annexation of Tibet. (1951)
• Rockall (North-east Atlantic) was declared officially annexed by the British Crown. (1955)
• Crimea annexed by the Russian Federation. (2014)
• Kingdom of Norway's southward expansion of the dependent territory Queen Maud Land (Antarctica 2015)​

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queen_Maud_Land
While coalition forces have made incursions on behalf of countries like Kuwait, it is unlikely that anyone is going to war over either the West Bank or Gaza Strip. The law is simply not that explicit.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Shusha]

√ In 1967, what Palestinian country was the rightful sovereign of that territory?​

Important to ask what State was definitively NOT the sovereign of that territory, and certainly occupied it and could NOT take territory by force.​

 

[P F Tinmore]

Link to where Palestine changed its name?

Declaration of the Establishment of the State of Israel.

HEREBY DECLARE THE ESTABLISHMENT OF A JEWISH STATE IN ERETZ-ISRAEL, TO BE KNOWN AS THE STATE OF ISRAEL.

...the People's Council shall act as a Provisional Council of State, and its executive organ, the People's Administration, shall be the Provisional Government of the Jewish State, to be called "Israel".

Palestine did that?

Link?

 

[P F Tinmore]

• It does not prohibit the occupation of territory overrun in hot pursuit of aggressor Arabs.

The Palestinians were not the aggressors. Virtually all of them were removed from their homes. They were not out attacking anyone.

 

[P F Tinmore]

In 1967, what Palestinian country was the rightful sovereign of that territory?

The Palestinians have the right to sovereignty inside their territory.

 

[Shusha]

Link to where Palestine changed its name?

Declaration of the Establishment of the State of Israel.

HEREBY DECLARE THE ESTABLISHMENT OF A JEWISH STATE IN ERETZ-ISRAEL, TO BE KNOWN AS THE STATE OF ISRAEL.

...the People's Council shall act as a Provisional Council of State, and its executive organ, the People's Administration, shall be the Provisional Government of the Jewish State, to be called "Israel".

Palestine did that?

Link?

The Government of Palestine did that.

 

[Shusha]

In 1967, what Palestinian country was the rightful sovereign of that territory?

The Palestinians have the right to sovereignty inside their territory.

The Palestinians HAVE sovereignty inside their territory.

 

[P F Tinmore]

In 1967, what Palestinian country was the rightful sovereign of that territory?

The Palestinians have the right to sovereignty inside their territory.

The Palestinians HAVE sovereignty inside their territory.

Not so. They are under military occupation.

 

[Hollie]

In 1967, what Palestinian country was the rightful sovereign of that territory?

The Palestinians have the right to sovereignty inside their territory.

The Palestinians HAVE sovereignty inside their territory.

Not so. They are under military occupation.

A consequence of Arabs-Moslems occupying an Islamic terrorist enclave.

 

[P F Tinmore]

In 1967, what Palestinian country was the rightful sovereign of that territory?

The Palestinians have the right to sovereignty inside their territory.

The Palestinians HAVE sovereignty inside their territory.

Not so. They are under military occupation.

A consequence of Arabs-Moslems occupying an Islamic terrorist enclave.

Links?

 

[Hollie]

In 1967, what Palestinian country was the rightful sovereign of that territory?

The Palestinians have the right to sovereignty inside their territory.

The Palestinians HAVE sovereignty inside their territory.

Not so. They are under military occupation.

A consequence of Arabs-Moslems occupying an Islamic terrorist enclave.

Links?

You want links to acts of islamic terrorism by the Arabs-Moslems masquerading as "Pal'istanians"?

Home Page|PMW

 

[RoccoR]

The UN concludes that Israel has established an APARTHEID REGIME...
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

No, that is correct.

• It does not prohibit the occupation of territory overrun in hot pursuit of aggressor Arabs.

The Palestinians were not the aggressors. Virtually all of them were removed from their homes. They were not out attacking anyone.

(COMMENT)

In 1967, the Palestinians were the indigenous support for Jordanian Forces who initiated contact (opened fire) against Israel. At that time, and throughout the occupation - until 1988 Jordan exercised sovereign control over the West Bank.

In 1967, the term "Palestinian" was a cultural name for the population in that region. It was the name for the people that exercised sovereign control.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

The Palestinians have the right to sovereignty inside their territory.

The Palestinians HAVE sovereignty inside their territory.

Not so. They are under military occupation.

A consequence of Arabs-Moslems occupying an Islamic terrorist enclave.

Links?

You want links to acts of islamic terrorism by the Arabs-Moslems masquerading as "Pal'istanians"?

Home Page|PMW

So you link to an Israeli propaganda site.

 

[Hollie]

The Palestinians HAVE sovereignty inside their territory.

Not so. They are under military occupation.

A consequence of Arabs-Moslems occupying an Islamic terrorist enclave.

Links?

You want links to acts of islamic terrorism by the Arabs-Moslems masquerading as "Pal'istanians"?

Home Page|PMW

So you link to an Israeli propaganda site.

Your usual sidestep. Never any refutation of the facts, just more silly cartoons.

 

[P F Tinmore]

The UN concludes that Israel has established an APARTHEID REGIME...
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

No, that is correct.

• It does not prohibit the occupation of territory overrun in hot pursuit of aggressor Arabs.

The Palestinians were not the aggressors. Virtually all of them were removed from their homes. They were not out attacking anyone.

(COMMENT)

In 1967, the Palestinians were the indigenous support for Jordanian Forces who initiated contact (opened fire) against Israel. At that time, and throughout the occupation - until 1988 Jordan exercised sovereign control over the West Bank.

In 1967, the term "Palestinian" was a cultural name for the population in that region. It was the name for the people that exercised sovereign control.

Most Respectfully,
R

I thought we were talking about 1948.

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: The UN concludes that Israel has established an APARTHEID REGIME...
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

Yeah I don't think that allegation holds water.

Annexation is what it is. The only way to overturn annexation is through voluntary return or through force.

It is illegal to acquire territory through force.

(COMMENT)

While the Charter is often attributed to that thought, what it actually says is:

• All Members shall refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any state, or in any other manner inconsistent with the Purposes of the United Nations.
• It does not prohibit the occupation of territory overrun in hot pursuit of aggressor Arabs.

√ In 1967, what Palestinian country was the rightful sovereign of that territory?
​

Customary Law (the established pattern of behavior for nations) is a strange thing.

• China was not held accountable for the annexation of Tibet. (1951)
• Rockall (North-east Atlantic) was declared officially annexed by the British Crown. (1955)
• Crimea annexed by the Russian Federation. (2014)
• Kingdom of Norway's southward expansion of the dependent territory Queen Maud Land (Antarctica 2015)​

While coalition forces have made incursions on behalf of countries like Kuwait, it is unlikely that anyone is going to war over either the West Bank or Gaza Strip. The law is simply not that explicit.

Most Respectfully,
R

Long ago, it was settled that resistance and even armed struggle against a colonial occupation force is not just recognised under international law but specifically endorsed.

In relevant part, the resolution not only went on to affirm the right "to self-determination, freedom and independence [...] of peoples forcibly deprived of that right,[...] particularly peoples under colonial and racist regimes or other forms of alien domination" but noted the right of the occupied to "struggle ... and to seek and receive support" in that effort.

This imprecision was to change on December 3, 1982. At that time UNGA resolution 37/43 removed any doubt or debate over the lawful entitlement of occupied people to resist occupying forces by any and all lawful means. The resolution reaffirmed "the legitimacy of the struggle of peoples for independence, territorial integrity, national unity and liberation from colonial and foreign domination and foreign occupation by all available means, including armed struggle".

Palestinians have a legal right to armed struggle

 

[P F Tinmore]

Not so. They are under military occupation.

A consequence of Arabs-Moslems occupying an Islamic terrorist enclave.

Links?

You want links to acts of islamic terrorism by the Arabs-Moslems masquerading as "Pal'istanians"?

Home Page|PMW

So you link to an Israeli propaganda site.

Your usual sidestep. Never any refutation of the facts, just more silly cartoons.

They lied on the first page. Why should I continue?

 

[Hollie]

A consequence of Arabs-Moslems occupying an Islamic terrorist enclave.

Links?

You want links to acts of islamic terrorism by the Arabs-Moslems masquerading as "Pal'istanians"?

Home Page|PMW

So you link to an Israeli propaganda site.

Your usual sidestep. Never any refutation of the facts, just more silly cartoons.

They lied on the first page. Why should I continue?

Link?

 

[P F Tinmore]

Links?

You want links to acts of islamic terrorism by the Arabs-Moslems masquerading as "Pal'istanians"?

Home Page|PMW

So you link to an Israeli propaganda site.

Your usual sidestep. Never any refutation of the facts, just more silly cartoons.

They lied on the first page. Why should I continue?

Link?

Home Page|PMW