BREAKING! The Florida Grand Jury Was Never Told About 'The Presidential Records Act' Or The 'Clinton Socks Case', Both Exonerating!

[kyzr]

I'm not asking if I'm wrong. So let's try again...
If I showed you the law that says that Presidential Records are the property of the United States Government would you acknowledge that the records are not Trumps property?
or
Would you claim the United States Code is wrong?
WW

Trick question. The real question is, who decides what presidential records are personal property or government property? ...and when?
Since the PRA is not a criminal statute, what happens if someone ***** up?

 

[AZrailwhale]

99.5% of those indicted by a grand jury and go to trial, are unanimously found guilty by a jury of 12.

Where did you get that bullshit statistic. Most defendants are indicted by a Grand Jury and barely over half are actually convicted of felonies.
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68%. Per the Bureau of Justice Statistics.

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The Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS) is the United States' primary source for criminal justice statistics that cover a wide range of topics.

www.bjs.gov

What is the probability of conviction for felony defendants?
Among felony defendants whose cases were adjudicated within the one-year tracking period (89% of cases), 68% were convicted. This includes a 59% felony conviction rate with the remainder receiving misdemeanor convictions. Felony conviction rates were highest for defendants originally charged with motor vehicle theft (74%), a driving-related offense (73%), murder (70%), burglary (69%), or drug trafficking (67%). They were lowest for defendants originally charged with assault."

Prosecutors also only take cases to court that are either slam-dunks or are politically advantageous to the prosecutor. They never take a perceived losing case to court. So they are losing nearly half of what they consider guaranteed victories to juries.

 

[Billiejeens]

By that logic Hillary should be standing trial in the next room.

Multiple rooms
Multiple jurisdictions
Maybe even Multiple countries.

 

[Billiejeens]

Trick question. The real question is, who decides what presidential records are personal property or government property? ...and when?
Since the PRA is not a criminal statute, what happens if someone ***** up?

Tie goes to the runner.

 

[Couchpotato]

Brevity is the soul of wit.

not at the expense of actually making a point. Which you havent made.

 

[WorldWatcher]

Trick question.

Not really

The real question is, who decides what presidential records are personal property or government property?

The Archivist of the United States.

...and when?

When the Presidents term in office ends since that is the point in time that the NARA is to assume custody and control of the records.

what happens if someone ***** up?

They turn the records over to the NARA and no harm no foul.


WW

 

[AZrailwhale]

If you can "indict a ham sandwich"....why didn't the trump Justice Dept. indict Hillary Clinton when they had four years to do so?

Because the Republicans didn't want to set the standard of having witch-hunts for their political opponents. Now the Democrats jumped right in and did that. As usual, it will backfire on them just like using the nuclear option did.

 

[Blaster]

not at the expense of actually making a point. Which you havent made.

My point went right over your head.

 

[Couchpotato]

My point went right over your head.

Sure bud. What was your point?

 

[kyzr]

The Archivist of the United States.
When the Presidents term in office ends since that is the point in time that the NARA is to assume custody and control of the records.
They turn the records over to the NARA and no harm no foul.
WW

1. So after Biden was sworn in and after Trump took any papers he wanted as president, the Archivist enters the WH and collects whatever files and documents are left in the cabinets and computers?

2. Are any of the files/folders/docs that Trump removed while he was president, and had the power to declassify, subject to recall by the Archivist? Or do they all remain the personal property of the president?

3. I think the MAL raid by the FBI was Bidens response to that question. Removed documents which may not have been declassified should remain with the Archivist. So they should have gone thru all the docs, taken what they wanted, and let Trump have the rest. No harm no foul. No crime.

So wtf just happened with the indictment?

 

[westwall]

Trump isn’t being charged under the presidential records act. He’s being charged under the espionage act.

He admitted he took the documents. He admitted every day, and he’s lying to you when he says that he had the right to take them under the presidential records act.

Imagine that. Donald Trump saying that something he did wasn’t illegal even though it was. I’m shocked, shocked, I tell you.

Good gosh you are stupid. Do you have an IQ over 70? The PRA EXONERATES HIM, YOU BLITHERING FOOL!

 

[bodecea]

Because Trump isn't an authoritarian, like you all claimed he was.

YOUR hero Joe, though, he IS an authoritarian.

Dumbfuck.

Have another tissue, gramps

 

[bodecea]

Good gosh you are stupid. Do you have an IQ over 70? The PRA EXONERATES HIM, YOU BLITHERING FOOL!

No it doesn't . Nice try, Gramps.

 

[westwall]

No it doesn't . Nice try, Gramps.

Yeah, it does, dumblewhore.

 

[bodecea]

Go **** yourself, fascist. Trump did nothing illegal.

He did the EXACT same thing that every POTUS has done before.

Hillary and Joe, though, they DID commit crimes....LOTS of them, and you assholes don't care.

And now gramps brings his sexual fantasies to the thread.

 

[bodecea]

Another tard demonstrates he has not read the indictment.

Willful blindness suits you.

It might be too difficult for him now.

 

[Marener]

Trump has a right to those documents.

Why?

He’s not president. He doesn’t need them.

 

[bodecea]

Bullshit. Comey laid out multiple felonies that the ***** committed then said no one would prosecute her.

DURRRRRR

Misogynist MAGAt, gramps?

 

[WorldWatcher]

1. So after Biden was sworn in and after Trump took any papers he wanted as president, the Archivist enters the WH and collects whatever files and documents are left in the cabinets and computers?

No, actually what happens is that after the election the outgoing administration organizes and separates items for shipment. The NARA provides someone on site to assist with coordination so that by January 20th the process is complete.

This as to happen in advance to be complete by the end of term because the spaces have to cleared for the new people to come in.

2. Are any of the files/folders/docs that Trump removed while he was president, and had the power to declassify, subject to recall by the Archivist?

Yes, all of them. Classification of government records has nothing to do with whether they are property of the United States Government.

Or do they all remain the personal property of the president?

Presidential Records? No. They remain the property of the United States Government.

3. I think the MAL raid by the FBI was Bidens response to that question, that removed documents which may not have been declassified should remain with the Archivist. So they should have gone thru all the docs, taken what they wanted, and let Trump have the rest. No harm no foul. No crime.

Personal records have already been returned to the FPOTUS. The only records the government kept were (a) Presidential Records as they were government property, (b) Classified records as they are both government property and evidence of a crime, (c) those not falling under a or b but were evidence of a crime.

Other than that personal property was returned. This was covered last fall.

So wtf just happened with the indictment?

???

It's pretty clear, the FPOTUS kept classified documents after leaving office, refused to return them to the proper government authority and failed to comply with a court subpoena. That resulted in the indictment for willful retention of national defense information, conspiracy and obstruction charges.

WW

 

[bodecea]

No one has embarrassed me. I am, however, embarrassed for you.

It's sad to see all of you devolve to such a low state of cognizance.

Because it's a cult.