JoeB131
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Trump already did his pardons. Manafort, Papadopoluos, Flynn, and all the other crooks who helped him collude with Russia.
BREAKING NEWS: Biden pardons his son
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Trump already did his pardons. Manafort, Papadopoluos, Flynn, and all the other crooks who helped him collude with Russia.
the watcher
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I especially like his reasoning for this, that no one that is reasonable couldn't fail to see that his prosecution was politically motivated. Are there any more "politically motivated prosecutions" around here? Let's look carefully so justice will be restored. Who writes his script, Rod Sirling?
JoeB131
Diamond Member
No, guy, the embarrassing thing was that a special prosecutor abused his power to bring charges that simply never should have been brought in the first place.
tax fraud is rarely prosecuted? since when?
So xiden admitted his DOJ was corrupt and engaged in political prosecutions?
You might be right though about other charges, I have no doubt about that, hence why Xiden gave his son a blanket pardon.
JoeB131
Diamond Member
Okay.
They call Hunter up.
He pleads the fifth.
You guys have five years with the fake laptop to bring charges, and all you could come up with was a tax charge and a paperwork charge.
JoeB131
Diamond Member
Every time the IRS sends you a notice, "You got your taxes wrong" and you pay the difference.
You clowns had five years to bring other charges and came up with... nothing.
Modern Messiah
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You are in bed with pedophiles. Why would anyone listen to anything you say. I am so glad President Trump kicked the biden trash to the curb. Actually an overwhelming majority of Americans kicked the trash out. bidens are just absolute trash.
Repeating debunked hoaxes, won't excuse the corruption in the Xiden admin
, the investigation did not establish that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities.
Trump parden people for specific crimes, related to the hoax of an investigation. Joey "Big Guy" Xiden, gave his bag man, the tax cheat, not just a pardon from what he was convicted of, but a blanket pardon for crimes not even potentially discovered
Zincwarrior
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Thats definitely what the appearance is. Given these charges came down from a special prosecutor appointed by Garland, the argument that its targeted is suspect.
Would I have pardoned my boy? Yea. But my boy would not have been in that situationj either.
um that's not tax fraud you idiot.
what are you talking about? the DOJ was run by Joey Xiden. Of course they weren't going to investigate any other charges.
Billiejeens
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Nate Silver Totally Melted Down Over the Hunter Biden Pardon
He went on a tear against Biden, calling him a selfish and senile old man before saying that no one should vote for any Democrat in 2028 who didn’t voice their outrage over this shameless blanket pardon that covers all illegal activities that occurred between 2014-2024.
Biden did two things: made the Democratic Party look ridiculous, which isn’t a tough task, and ripped the rug from under its army of supporters who lauded the president for declaring he wouldn’t pardon his son. To those who aren’t mentally challenged, we knew this was coming—there’s too much dirt on Hunter and Joe to let this play out.
That being said, I’m not unhappy regarding the consequences of Joe’s actions. It’s what happens when the Left tries to think they’re better than us, taking these moral superiority positions in a business where hypocrisy cycles like the tides. It’s what it is—and Democrats have for too long thought they were better than everyone else for numerous reasons. Now, they’re enduring what happened to Icarus. In one swoop, it’s neutralized anything Democrats and liberals were bound to whine about regarding Donald Trump using the pardoning power.
You cult f___s said NOTHING when your piece of shit pardoned hundreds of his crooked allies...and Biden pardoning his SON, is of concern?
Biden should have never committed to not pardoning him, when he had to have known, that was a real possibility. He messed up there, right off the bat imo. However, Hunter was treated unfairly with Congress on his back and spinning fake news24/7, which put a weight on Hunter's scale that no other American, would go through....for the same crimes committed.
Trump's use of executive clemency
For 125 years, the key adviser to the president on clemency has been the Department of Justice's Office of the Pardon Attorney (OPA) which normally reviews all requests for pardons.[1] Trump often bypassed the OPA, and, unlike previous presidents, made the majority of his grants to executive clemency to "well-connected offenders who had not filed petitions with the pardon office or did not meet its requirements."[1] Ultimately, of the 237 grants of clemency by Trump, only 25 came through the Office of the Pardon Attorney's process (which at the end of Trump's presidency had a backlog of 14,000 applications); the other clemency recipients came to Trump's attention through an ad hoc process at the Trump White House that benefited clemency applicants with money or connections to Trump allies, friends, and family members.[4] Most of Trump's pardons and commutations were granted to people with personal or political connections to him.[10]
Compared to other presidents, Trump granted clemency at low rates, with the bulk coming later in his term. Of Trump's grants of clemency, 84% were made in his last fiscal year in office,[11] with 144 (60%) of his 237 grants of clemency being granted on his last night in office; the list was "assembled so hastily that it contained inaccurate information about some cases."[12] Legal experts raised concerns that Trump was "relying on his personal connections rather than the Justice Department's established review process for finding convicts deserving of clemency."[13] A late December 2020 analysis by Harvard Law School's Jack Goldsmith determined that "seven of the 94 Trump grants came on recommendation from the pardon attorney" and "at least 84 out of 94 Trump pardons had a personal or political connection to the president."[2] On February 19, 2020, Vermont Senator Patrick Leahy requested information on the process used by Trump in deciding to grant clemency to 11 people the preceding day.[14][15] In response to the criticism of his bypassing of the OPA, Trump said that he is the "chief law enforcement officer of the country."[13]
Former Justice Department official and Mueller investigation prosecutor Andrew Weissmann noted that the language of Trump's pardons varied, ranging from a broad pardon of Michael Flynn to narrower pardons for several others, including Paul Manafort and Roger Stone, which Weissmann argued created "windows of opportunity" to prosecute individuals who had been narrowly pardoned.[16]
Supporters and political allies
Trump's use of the pardon power was marked by an unprecedented degree of favoritism.[12] He frequently granted executive clemency to his supporters or political allies,[17][18] or following personal appeals or campaigns in conservative media,[19] as in the cases of Rod Blagojevich, Michael Milken, Joe Arpaio, Dinesh D'Souza, and Clint Lorance, as well as Bernard Kerik.[17] Trump granted clemency to five of his former campaign staff members and political advisers: Paul Manafort, Roger Stone, Michael Flynn, Stephen K. Bannon, and George Papadopoulos.[20]
Many of Trump's grants of clemency were criticized by the federal agents and prosecutors who investigated and prosecuted the cases.[21] Trump's grant of clemency to Stone in July 2020 marked the first time Trump granted clemency to a "figure directly connected to the president's campaign."[17] Representatives Jerrold Nadler and Carolyn B. Maloney, who chair two House committees, said that "No other president has exercised the clemency power for such a patently personal and self-serving purpose" and said that they would investigate whether Stone's commutation was a reward for protecting Trump.[17] Most Republican elected officials remained silent on Trump's commutation of Stone.[18] Exceptions were Republican senators Mitt Romney, who termed the commutation "unprecedented, historic corruption," and Pat Toomey, who called the commutation a "mistake" due in part to the severity of the crimes of which Stone was convicted.[17][22][23]
Requests by celebrities
In 2018, following a request by celebrity Kim Kardashian, Trump commuted the life sentence of Alice Marie Johnson who had been convicted of drug trafficking.[24] In August 2020, he pardoned Johnson after she had praised his leadership in a campaign video at the 2020 Republican National Convention.[25][26]
Military personnel accused or convicted of war crimes
Trump granted executive clemency to three court-martialed U.S. military officers who were accused or convicted of war crimes in Iraq and Afghanistan.[27] Trump granted the pardons against the advice of senior military and Defense Department leadership, as well as U.S. military lawyers.[27] Critics state that Trump's pardons of the officers undermined military discipline, constituted an inappropriate interference in the U.S. military justice system, and called into question the U.S. commitment to the law of armed conflict.[28][29][30] Tensions between Trump and the Defense Department regarding Trump's interventions in the military justice system culminated in the firing of Secretary of the Navy Richard V. Spencer.[27][31][32] Two ex-military officers pardoned by Trump appeared with the president at campaign events in 2019.[32]
Congressmen
Trump issued pardons to seven Republican congressmen convicted of crimes: Chris Collins, Duncan D. Hunter, Steve Stockman, Rick Renzi, Robin Hayes, Mark Siljander, and Randall "Duke" Cunningham.[20] Trump also granted clemency to at least ten healthcare executives and doctors convicted in large-scale Medicare fraud schemes.[21][33] The National Health Care Anti-Fraud Association criticized Trump's pardons to executives who orchestrated massive Medicare frauds.[34]
Wealthy individuals
Many wealthy individuals paid tens of thousands of dollars to former advisors to Trump for them to lobby Trump to grant pardons, bypassing the review process of the Office of the Pardon Attorney.[35][12] Trump former personal lawyer John M. Dowd was hired by a number of convicts to lobby Trump for clemency, taking advantage of his direct access to Trump's White House Counsel's Office.[12] Matt Schlapp, the chairman of the American Conservative Union[12] and a lobbyist close to Trump administration,[35] also lobbied Trump for clemency on behalf of their clients,[12][35] as did Mark D. Cowan, another lobbyist allied with the administration.[35] Trump's White House Counsel Pat Cipollone was officially in charge of the internal White House pardon process, but "key gatekeepers" included Trump's daughter Ivanka Trump and son-in-law Jared Kushner.[12] Trump was also influenced by a "kitchen cabinet" that included Tolman; Americans for Prosperity chairman Mark Holden; Trump's former acting attorney general Matt Whitaker; Trump clemency recipient Alice Marie Johnson; and Trump's former attorney Pam Bondi, a former Florida Attorney General.[12]
Chronology
From 2017 to 2019, the pardons included former Arizona sheriff Joe Arpaio;[36] former Navy sailor Kristian Saucier, who was convicted of taking classified photographs of classified areas inside a submarine;[37] Scooter Libby, a political aide to former vice president Dick Cheney;[38] conservative commentator Dinesh D'Souza.[39] He pardoned or reversed the sentences of three American soldiers convicted or accused of war crimes in Afghanistan or Iraq.[40]
In November and December 2020, Trump pardoned four Blackwater guards convicted of killing Iraqi civilians in the 2007 Nisour Square massacre;[41] white-collar criminals Michael Milken and Bernard Kerik;[42] and daughter Ivanka's father-in-law Charles Kushner.[10] He also pardoned five people convicted as a result of investigations into Russian interference in the 2016 presidential elections: Michael Flynn, George Papadopoulos, Alex van der Zwaan,[41] Roger Stone, whose 40-month sentence for lying to Congress, witness tampering, and obstruction he had already commuted in July, and Paul Manafort.[43]
In his last full day in office, Trump granted 143 pardons and commutations, including to his former chief strategist Steve Bannon, Trump fundraiser Elliott Broidy, and former Republican congressmen Rick Renzi, Robert Hayes, and Randall "Duke" Cunningham. He also commuted the sentences of dozens of people, including former Detroit mayor Kwame Kilpatrick and sports gambler Billy Walters; the latter had paid tens of thousands of dollars to former Trump attorney John M. Dowd to plead his case with Trump.[44]
List of people granted executive clemency by Donald Trump - Wikipedia
JGalt
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We haven't even started yet. How are you to react when the incoming DOJ goes after Joe Biden for all those classified documents he had while he was Vice President?
Hunter's pardon does not exonerate Joe Biden for his crimes, and there is no "Presidential Immunity" for Vice Presidents.
buckeye
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That's not love, that's interference in Hunter's life. The old man did what he's been doing all of Hunter's life, saving him from himself.
It's how you end up with such a dipshit for a son. Our POTUS, who I think is a very weird pedophile, is an absolutely horrible father and its exactly why Hunter is such a mess.
You realize clemency and a pardon, in particular a blanket pardon, are two completely different things right?You cult f___s said NOTHING when your piece of shit pardoned hundreds of his crooked allies...and Biden pardoning his SON, is of concern?
Biden should have never committed to not pardoning him, when he had to have known, that was a real possibility. He messed up there, right off the bat imo. However, Hunter was treated unfairly with Congress on his back and spinning fake news24/7, which put a weight on Hunter's scale that no other American, would go through....for the same crimes committed.
Trump's use of executive clemency
edit
For 125 years, the key adviser to the president on clemency has been the Department of Justice's Office of the Pardon Attorney (OPA) which normally reviews all requests for pardons.[1] Trump often bypassed the OPA, and, unlike previous presidents, made the majority of his grants to executive clemency to "well-connected offenders who had not filed petitions with the pardon office or did not meet its requirements."[1] Ultimately, of the 237 grants of clemency by Trump, only 25 came through the Office of the Pardon Attorney's process (which at the end of Trump's presidency had a backlog of 14,000 applications); the other clemency recipients came to Trump's attention through an ad hoc process at the Trump White House that benefited clemency applicants with money or connections to Trump allies, friends, and family members.[4] Most of Trump's pardons and commutations were granted to people with personal or political connections to him.[10]
Compared to other presidents, Trump granted clemency at low rates, with the bulk coming later in his term. Of Trump's grants of clemency, 84% were made in his last fiscal year in office,[11] with 144 (60%) of his 237 grants of clemency being granted on his last night in office; the list was "assembled so hastily that it contained inaccurate information about some cases."[12] Legal experts raised concerns that Trump was "relying on his personal connections rather than the Justice Department's established review process for finding convicts deserving of clemency."[13] A late December 2020 analysis by Harvard Law School's Jack Goldsmith determined that "seven of the 94 Trump grants came on recommendation from the pardon attorney" and "at least 84 out of 94 Trump pardons had a personal or political connection to the president."[2] On February 19, 2020, Vermont Senator Patrick Leahy requested information on the process used by Trump in deciding to grant clemency to 11 people the preceding day.[14][15] In response to the criticism of his bypassing of the OPA, Trump said that he is the "chief law enforcement officer of the country."[13]
Former Justice Department official and Mueller investigation prosecutor Andrew Weissmann noted that the language of Trump's pardons varied, ranging from a broad pardon of Michael Flynn to narrower pardons for several others, including Paul Manafort and Roger Stone, which Weissmann argued created "windows of opportunity" to prosecute individuals who had been narrowly pardoned.[16]
Supporters and political allies
edit
Trump's use of the pardon power was marked by an unprecedented degree of favoritism.[12] He frequently granted executive clemency to his supporters or political allies,[17][18] or following personal appeals or campaigns in conservative media,[19] as in the cases of Rod Blagojevich, Michael Milken, Joe Arpaio, Dinesh D'Souza, and Clint Lorance, as well as Bernard Kerik.[17] Trump granted clemency to five of his former campaign staff members and political advisers: Paul Manafort, Roger Stone, Michael Flynn, Stephen K. Bannon, and George Papadopoulos.[20]
Many of Trump's grants of clemency were criticized by the federal agents and prosecutors who investigated and prosecuted the cases.[21] Trump's grant of clemency to Stone in July 2020 marked the first time Trump granted clemency to a "figure directly connected to the president's campaign."[17] Representatives Jerrold Nadler and Carolyn B. Maloney, who chair two House committees, said that "No other president has exercised the clemency power for such a patently personal and self-serving purpose" and said that they would investigate whether Stone's commutation was a reward for protecting Trump.[17] Most Republican elected officials remained silent on Trump's commutation of Stone.[18] Exceptions were Republican senators Mitt Romney, who termed the commutation "unprecedented, historic corruption," and Pat Toomey, who called the commutation a "mistake" due in part to the severity of the crimes of which Stone was convicted.[17][22][23]
Requests by celebrities
edit
In 2018, following a request by celebrity Kim Kardashian, Trump commuted the life sentence of Alice Marie Johnson who had been convicted of drug trafficking.[24] In August 2020, he pardoned Johnson after she had praised his leadership in a campaign video at the 2020 Republican National Convention.[25][26]
Military personnel accused or convicted of war crimes
edit
Trump granted executive clemency to three court-martialed U.S. military officers who were accused or convicted of war crimes in Iraq and Afghanistan.[27] Trump granted the pardons against the advice of senior military and Defense Department leadership, as well as U.S. military lawyers.[27] Critics state that Trump's pardons of the officers undermined military discipline, constituted an inappropriate interference in the U.S. military justice system, and called into question the U.S. commitment to the law of armed conflict.[28][29][30] Tensions between Trump and the Defense Department regarding Trump's interventions in the military justice system culminated in the firing of Secretary of the Navy Richard V. Spencer.[27][31][32] Two ex-military officers pardoned by Trump appeared with the president at campaign events in 2019.[32]
Congressmen
edit
Trump issued pardons to seven Republican congressmen convicted of crimes: Chris Collins, Duncan D. Hunter, Steve Stockman, Rick Renzi, Robin Hayes, Mark Siljander, and Randall "Duke" Cunningham.[20] Trump also granted clemency to at least ten healthcare executives and doctors convicted in large-scale Medicare fraud schemes.[21][33] The National Health Care Anti-Fraud Association criticized Trump's pardons to executives who orchestrated massive Medicare frauds.[34]
Wealthy individuals
edit
Many wealthy individuals paid tens of thousands of dollars to former advisors to Trump for them to lobby Trump to grant pardons, bypassing the review process of the Office of the Pardon Attorney.[35][12] Trump former personal lawyer John M. Dowd was hired by a number of convicts to lobby Trump for clemency, taking advantage of his direct access to Trump's White House Counsel's Office.[12] Matt Schlapp, the chairman of the American Conservative Union[12] and a lobbyist close to Trump administration,[35] also lobbied Trump for clemency on behalf of their clients,[12][35] as did Mark D. Cowan, another lobbyist allied with the administration.[35] Trump's White House Counsel Pat Cipollone was officially in charge of the internal White House pardon process, but "key gatekeepers" included Trump's daughter Ivanka Trump and son-in-law Jared Kushner.[12] Trump was also influenced by a "kitchen cabinet" that included Tolman; Americans for Prosperity chairman Mark Holden; Trump's former acting attorney general Matt Whitaker; Trump clemency recipient Alice Marie Johnson; and Trump's former attorney Pam Bondi, a former Florida Attorney General.[12]
Chronology
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From 2017 to 2019, the pardons included former Arizona sheriff Joe Arpaio;[36] former Navy sailor Kristian Saucier, who was convicted of taking classified photographs of classified areas inside a submarine;[37] Scooter Libby, a political aide to former vice president Dick Cheney;[38] conservative commentator Dinesh D'Souza.[39] He pardoned or reversed the sentences of three American soldiers convicted or accused of war crimes in Afghanistan or Iraq.[40]
In November and December 2020, Trump pardoned four Blackwater guards convicted of killing Iraqi civilians in the 2007 Nisour Square massacre;[41] white-collar criminals Michael Milken and Bernard Kerik;[42] and daughter Ivanka's father-in-law Charles Kushner.[10] He also pardoned five people convicted as a result of investigations into Russian interference in the 2016 presidential elections: Michael Flynn, George Papadopoulos, Alex van der Zwaan,[41] Roger Stone, whose 40-month sentence for lying to Congress, witness tampering, and obstruction he had already commuted in July, and Paul Manafort.[43]
In his last full day in office, Trump granted 143 pardons and commutations, including to his former chief strategist Steve Bannon, Trump fundraiser Elliott Broidy, and former Republican congressmen Rick Renzi, Robert Hayes, and Randall "Duke" Cunningham. He also commuted the sentences of dozens of people, including former Detroit mayor Kwame Kilpatrick and sports gambler Billy Walters; the latter had paid tens of thousands of dollars to former Trump attorney John M. Dowd to plead his case with Trump.[44]
List of people granted executive clemency by Donald Trump - Wikipedia
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Apparently you do not, which is why the demafascist love their uninformed dembot base.
Next time you want to bring "stronger" gun legislation, or want to raise taxes, I'll remind you of this.
One thing that does need to be mentioned.
Trump has repeatedly stated that the Justice System needs to be fixed/changed. With Biden pardoning his son, does that mean that Trump will do what the existing Justice system allowed Biden to do (he will pardon the insurrectionists), or changing it so that the "fixed" Justice system does not allow convicted felons to be pardoned?
Trump has repeatedly stated that the Justice System needs to be fixed/changed. With Biden pardoning his son, does that mean that Trump will do what the existing Justice system allowed Biden to do (he will pardon the insurrectionists), or changing it so that the "fixed" Justice system does not allow convicted felons to be pardoned?
Cheap excuses for Joe Biden, the serial liar / plagiarist.
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