Breaking News and Confirmed: Arizona Senate Passes Presidential Eligibility Bill 21-9

[gekaap]

So this has now become a religios issue? I realize obama supporters see him as some kind of god, buit this is not a religious issue.

It is a constitutional issue, as has been said all along

But if you want to go down that road why do we have a congressional chaplain?

Irrelevant.

 

[gekaap]

There is no set standard that dictates how a state vets a person who is running for president, if there is you would have validity in your argument, but you don't. A state can set any rules they choose to set and there isn't one damn thing you can do too change that.

The states cannot violate the constitution, and there's not one damn thing you can do to change that.

 

[bripat9643]

It requires no such thing. it simply lists for forms of proof that are acceptable. The U.S. State Department will often accept a baptismal certificate in place of a valid birth certificate on visa applications. Is that a violation of the Constitution? If so, there are millions of foreigners in this country who need to be kicked out.

No, it's not a violation of the constitution because the constitution does not prohibit the government from using religious based records for visa applications. Furthermore, such people have options, and choose to use baptismal records.

However, the constitution explicitly forbids any religious test from being applied to a person in order to hold the office of President of the United States. The AZ law would seem to present such a test. The law refuses to honor certain types of birth records from other states. Candidates who come from states whose records are not honored by AZ would then be explicitly required by the statute to present a baptismal record. This then creates the situation that all people from the many states who do not issue the restrictive class of records that AZ demands must have been baptized. Any person who is from one of those states, and who was not baptized is deemed by the AZ law as ineligible to the Presidency. Therefore, the law is additionally unconstitutional because it requires a religious test to be applied.

ROFL! What other document is there that proves the location of your birth aside from birth certificates or baptismal certificates? The one Obama waves around doesn't cut it because anyone can generate one of those on their PC and there are no witnessed listed to testify to it's veracity.

Calling the baptismal certificate option a religious test doesn't pass the laugh test. It's simply one of two options. Those options are the only credible documents that prove the location of your birth. There are no others.

 

[bripat9643]

Good for them. You realize that this isnt going to keep Obama off the ballot because he was born in Hawaii right?

It will keep him off the ballot in AZ.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

thats would be a lie.

o_0 No it's not. Go look at the bill for yourself.

Here's your reply

and Arizona will not reject the hawaiian long form if it exist.

And if it doesn't exist? Then the statute requires that the candidate be both baptized and circumcised. Wait, did you say baptized? That's a violation of the constitution too. It places a religious test as a qualification.

I don't hav to look it up the law does not say it requires that a person be baptized and circumcised. What about women? Dude are you drunk?

 

[bigrebnc1775]

That's the issue here was obama born in Hawaii? The only way to truely find out is to produce proof something that was accepted by the state registrar in 1961

Okay, ENOUGH with this. You're not getting anywhere, you're not advancing the discussion. You continue on with this same old lie. You know damn well that the state of Hawaii is not going to record records that were not "accepted."

accept does not mean filed sorry doesn't work that way

 

[bigrebnc1775]

So this has now become a religios issue? I realize obama supporters see him as some kind of god, buit this is not a religious issue.

It is a constitutional issue, as has been said all along

But if you want to go down that road why do we have a congressional chaplain?

Irrelevant.

Nope you made it relevant when you made it a religous isse.

 

[Toro]

The Arizona Secretary of State says that the Hawaii COLB would meet the standards of the proposed Arizona birfer bill.

http://www.azcentral.com/video/906109624001

This would be good enough, according to the guy who would be responsible for enforcing the AZ birfer bill.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

There is no set standard that dictates how a state vets a person who is running for president, if there is you would have validity in your argument, but you don't. A state can set any rules they choose to set and there isn't one damn thing you can do too change that.

The states cannot violate the constitution, and there's not one damn thing you can do to change that.

Well then give the link that shows the states must follow a set standard for vetting of a presidental candidate.

And before you say it Arizona will recognize hawaii's long form BC

 

[gekaap]

The one Obama waves around doesn't cut it because anyone can generate one of those on their PC

Okay then, go ahead and do it. Let's see you do it.

and there are no witnessed listed to testify to it's veracity.

Actually, the document itself is signed and sealed by the Hawaii state government. It bears the seal of Hawaii, and is signed by a government official.

Calling the baptismal certificate option a religious test doesn't pass the laugh test. It's simply one of two options. Those options are the only credible documents that prove the location of your birth. There are no others.

It's not an option. It's a requirement for anyone who comes from a state that does not provide the kind of documentation that AZ is demanding (and there are many such states, like PA where I was born). The AZ bill requires both the baptism record AND record of circumcision. Which, now that I'm thinking about it, further limits candidates to the male persuasion only.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

The Arizona Secretary of State says that the Hawaii COLB would meet the standards of the proposed Arizona birfer bill.

http://www.azcentral.com/video/906109624001

This would be good enough, according to the guy who would be responsible for enforcing the AZ birfer bill.

and the Arizona Secretary of State would be violating the new law.

 

[bripat9643]

The Arizona Secretary of State says that the Hawaii COLB would meet the standards of the proposed Arizona birfer bill.

azcentral.com video: Obama birth certificate faces Arizona scrutiny in 2012

This would be good enough, according to the guy who would be responsible for enforcing the AZ birfer bill.

The secretary of State is full of shit. He claims that the Hospital, Attending physician and witness signatures are not required. The law states explicitly that they are.

He's a Democrat hack - a product of the "secretary of state project" the Democrats are running to ensure election fraud continues.

Notice that the so-called "journalists" are calling it "the birther bill."

Yeah, that's a real objective attitude.

 

[gekaap]

Well then give the link that shows the states must follow a set standard for vetting of a presidental candidate.

Actually, there's a good argument that the states have no power to vet Presidential candidates. The constitution leaves qualification of the President elect to the electoral college and Congress AFTER the fact of election, and provides for procedures on how to deal with "constitutional disability."

 

[gekaap]

Nope you made it relevant when you made it a religous isse.

If you're not going to be honest, then just stop talking. I never made it a religious issue. It's a constitutional issue. No religious test can be required to hold the office of the POTUS.

 

[CRStar]

No more confusion and doubt in the future.

 

[gekaap]

I don't hav to look it up the law does not say it requires that a person be baptized and circumcised. What about women? Dude are you drunk?

Okay, so what does the bill say a person from, for example, Pennsylvania like myself is supposed to do? Because PA does not issue the kind of document the AZ bill demands as a birth certificate.

 

[gekaap]

He's a Democrat hack - a product of the "secretary of state project" the Democrats are running to ensure election fraud continues.

Dude, he's a REPUBLICAN.

 

[Toro]

The Arizona Secretary of State says that the Hawaii COLB would meet the standards of the proposed Arizona birfer bill.

http://www.azcentral.com/video/906109624001

This would be good enough, according to the guy who would be responsible for enforcing the AZ birfer bill.

and the Arizona Secretary of State would be violating the new law.

That's what I'd think.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

The one Obama waves around doesn't cut it because anyone can generate one of those on their PC

Okay then, go ahead and do it. Let's see you do it.

and there are no witnessed listed to testify to it's veracity.

Actually, the document itself is signed and sealed by the Hawaii state government. It bears the seal of Hawaii, and is signed by a government official.

Calling the baptismal certificate option a religious test doesn't pass the laugh test. It's simply one of two options. Those options are the only credible documents that prove the location of your birth. There are no others.

It's not an option. It's a requirement for anyone who comes from a state that does not provide the kind of documentation that AZ is demanding (and there are many such states, like PA where I was born). The AZ bill requires both the baptism record AND record of circumcision. Which, now that I'm thinking about it, further limits candidates to the male persuasion only.

Here's one

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[Toro]

The Arizona Secretary of State says that the Hawaii COLB would meet the standards of the proposed Arizona birfer bill.

azcentral.com video: Obama birth certificate faces Arizona scrutiny in 2012

This would be good enough, according to the guy who would be responsible for enforcing the AZ birfer bill.

The secretary of State is full of shit. He claims that the Hospital, Attending physician and witness signatures are not required. The law states explicitly that they are.

He's a Democrat hack - a product of the "secretary of state project" the Democrats are running to ensure election fraud continues.

Ken Bennett is a Republican.

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