Seymour Flops
Diamond Member
That's an interesting argument. A breath of fresh air from the usual "because ORANGE MAN BAD" we get from the pro-war folk here. The economic aspect of it reminds me of Bush, Cheney and the rest of the gang called "Establishment Republicans" sending troops to protect cheap oil.If the US lets Russia take over the Ukraine, what will happen to the US in terms of being a world power? How will it impact the US economy? How will countries like Russia and China treat the US? How will they treat other countries? How will other countries (especially US allies and friendly countries) see the US and how will they react?
The reality is the US made a LOT OF MONEY out of having allies and friendly countries. Imagine the Cold War with no allies, would the US have won? No, they'd have struggled to sell things abroad and would have become poor.
Situation at hand is we need to take all of that economic impact. into account. But we should finally learn at least a little from history, because we got ourselves into this situation.
Our involvement in the Cold War stemed from our involvement in WWII, which stemmed from our involvement in WWI. That is three wars, if you rightly count the Cold War as an actual war with huge expendatures of money and lives (Korea, Vietnam, and the last gasp at Granada.
My opinion is that we could have better served ourselves, if we had done what we had done for well over one hundred years between the Constitution and our entry into the First 20th century war in Europe. During those years, we sat between our two big oceans to the east and west, the third world to the south and a non-warfighting people to the north.
We had peace and prosperity other than our internal battles with the American Tribal People and the Civil War. We were certainly not "poor" because we weren't supporting and defending enough allies. We had people fleeing Europe in a steady stream.
Point is that we have all the natural resources that we need right here. Our chief trading partners are not in Europe but in Asia. We will always be less interested in interfering in Asian politics because Europeans look more like our leaders than Asians do.
I take it that your ideas about American involvement in other countries is basically amoral? Not in a bad way, but you are only concerned for America, and have no scruples about what we do or don't do to or for other countries? If that's the case, we'd be better off focusing on Latin America.
It is Latin-America that threatens to impoverish the United States now, through mass immigration of its third world people, third world crime, third world poverty and third world policies. Our own border is under invasion, so that where our own military should be, not in Ukraine.