Skyler is like Tammy Wynette.
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Skyler is like Tammy Wynette.
PixieStix
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I think she has been introduced to power and her evil side and likes it
IlarMeilyr
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After Jane aspirated on her own vomit, they had one of those flashback moments in a later episode where Jess sat with Jane in the car after visiting a museum. (painted vagina reference goes --- here).
Jess said some sweet shit to Jane who then said, "I think I just threw up in my mouth a little bit." My 16 year old son (who is the one who got me hooked on Breaking Bad via a Netflix mini-marathon while we were on vacation), promptly noted the significance of that line.
Excellent writing. The show is dark as hell.
I AM THE DANGER.
SAY MY NAME.
Great show.
PixieStix
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And another good line in the show was recent
"tread |lightly"
One of the greatest scenes in TV-show history
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1DSiPhJ_pGk]'Tread Lightly' (Full Version) - Hank Vs Heisenberg - Hank Confronts Walter White - Breaking Bad - YouTube[/ame]
MikeK
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Why? What choice did he have? It isn't as if he did that for fun.
I disagree with you. I think Walter acts out of necessity. Hank's obsessive authoritarian compulsion represents the true essence of evil in this game. What Walt did to check Hank was a masterpiece of poetic justice. In fact I would like to see the series end with Hank sitting in a cell at Leavenworth and thinking about how and why he got there.
Let's not forget Walt chose to participate in a very dangerous game in which he was confronted by a lot of insidiously devious and vicious players, including a pathologically driven, egeomaniacal brother-in-law. He had to survive against all odds and it was never his intention to harm or to compromise anyone who didn't threaten him or those he cares for, including the masochistic little loose cannon, Pinkman -- who, for the good of all concerned, including himself, should be put out of his misery asap.
Don't forget, Walt is dying of cancer. He isn't living like a playboy and enjoying his money. The most extravagant thing he's done is buy his son a sports car. The the bottom line to all he's doing is his will to provide for Skyler and their kids when he's gone. That is the very core of his ego.
Last -- one character I hope to see get what is coming to her is Skyler's ungrateful moralist, kleptomaniacal bitch sister, Marie. If anyone deserves to suffer, it's her. What Skyler did for her and Hank was done out of love and goodness of heart. Now she can't wait to see Skyler and Walt suffer.
This series is turning out to be a classic morality play with almost spiritual complexity. Where does the real evil lie?
IlarMeilyr
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Holy shit. Hank is a cop. Walter is the criminal. The "confession" by Walter is further proof that Walter is a criminal. That effort was blackmail, pure and simple. And it was blackmail predicated on an evil lie. Doesn't make it any less powerful. But still, it was a lie and it not only was blackmail, but intended as blackmail.
On the scales of justice, Hank is as pure as the new driven snow on this score.
But there's more.
Look what just happened to Jesse. What was "going" to happen to him? What was it that he grasped JUST before it was almost too late? And, WHO do we imagine set the guy up?
Damn.
It is beyond ANY petty quibble. Walter has become the antithesis of the person he started out as being in this series. He is not just a criminal, but he IS now evil.
Jesse is a criminal too, clearly, but of a very different kind than Walter.
Hank has his faults, no doubt. But his actions have all been designed to bring a violent murderous law-breaker to justice.
The writers are great. The plot is solid. The characters are generally well crafted and three dimensional. Hank is the good guy, but the genius of the story is that we are still fascinated by (and somehow still kind of rooting for) the truly bad guy, Walter.
It helps that the actors are really quite good.
On the scales of justice, Hank is as pure as the new driven snow on this score.
But there's more.
Look what just happened to Jesse. What was "going" to happen to him? What was it that he grasped JUST before it was almost too late? And, WHO do we imagine set the guy up?
Damn.
It is beyond ANY petty quibble. Walter has become the antithesis of the person he started out as being in this series. He is not just a criminal, but he IS now evil.
Jesse is a criminal too, clearly, but of a very different kind than Walter.
Hank has his faults, no doubt. But his actions have all been designed to bring a violent murderous law-breaker to justice.
The writers are great. The plot is solid. The characters are generally well crafted and three dimensional. Hank is the good guy, but the genius of the story is that we are still fascinated by (and somehow still kind of rooting for) the truly bad guy, Walter.
It helps that the actors are really quite good.
Voltaire once said , "Men who do evil brilliantly, are often admired".
Moonglow
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I do not care to watch on TV that which I have witnessed with cooks and users over the last 25 years that I have known.
MikeK
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To Voltaire I would say, Some men who appear to do good are often the most evil.
And we both would be right.
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Hank and his wife were written as unlikable people. This was obviously deliberate. It makes it harder to grow into a dislike for Walt if he is counterpointed by a couple of uptight assholes.
But Walt has become evil, pure and simple. If your opinion of him has not evolved commensurately with his greater and greater transgressions, then you are the kind of person whose biases get frozen in place and are not swayed by new information or facts.
He poisoned a child, for chrissakes. And another is dead because of his over-the-top greed.
Now he is threatening to send an innocent man to prison to take the fall for his misdeeds.
You have to be pretty confused to paint him as anything other than evil.
But Walt has become evil, pure and simple. If your opinion of him has not evolved commensurately with his greater and greater transgressions, then you are the kind of person whose biases get frozen in place and are not swayed by new information or facts.
He poisoned a child, for chrissakes. And another is dead because of his over-the-top greed.
Now he is threatening to send an innocent man to prison to take the fall for his misdeeds.
You have to be pretty confused to paint him as anything other than evil.
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This show is really brilliant stuff. I totally love how, rather than falling into some kind of stupid 'procedural' pattern, with Hank tracking down all the clues to corner Walt, it's really focusing more on the fallout for each of the characters. They basically just layed all the cards out on the table and now we get to see how each character handles it.
It's cool too because, so far at least, each seems to be making a fatal mistake that will seal their fate. Walt - made his long ago, but in this season we've seen both Skyler and Hank each making crucial and decisions - Schuyler should have listened to Hank and given up everything on Walt, but she chose not too. Hank, likewise, should be turning to all the resources he can muster - namely his department. But his pride won't let him. If he has to admit he's been a chump all this time, unwittingly supporting his greatest nemesis, he wants to be the lone 'hero' who takes him down. The flakey Marie is turning out to be the sole voice of sanity.
And speaking of Marie - the fracturing of the relationship with her sister was handled perfectly. Intense, and tragic. The way Skyler admitted everything to her, without saying a word. Only the kind of thing that can happen between sisters. Fucking amazing writing and acting.
This show is really brilliant stuff. I totally love how, rather than falling into some kind of stupid 'procedural' pattern, with Hank tracking down all the clues to corner Walt, it's really focusing more on the fallout for each of the characters. They basically just layed all the cards out on the table and now we get to see how each character handles it.
It's cool too because, so far at least, each seems to be making a fatal mistake that will seal their fate. Walt - made his long ago, but in this season we've seen both Skyler and Hank each making crucial and decisions - Schuyler should have listened to Hank and given up everything on Walt, but she chose not too. Hank, likewise, should be turning to all the resources he can muster - namely his department. But his pride won't let him. If he has to admit he's been a chump all this time, unwittingly supporting his greatest nemesis, he wants to be the lone 'hero' who takes him down. The flakey Marie is turning out to be the sole voice of sanity.
And speaking of Marie - the fracturing of the relationship with her sister was handled perfectly. Intense, and tragic. The way Skyler admitted everything to her, without saying a word. Only the kind of thing that can happen between sisters. Fucking amazing writing and acting.
Yeah. I love it when a writer can take you through a transition toward really appreciating an initially unlikable character. For what it's worth, this is the first television series in a long time (since Barney Miller in fact,
) that has me unabashedly cheering for a macho cop character. Whodathunkit?
MikeK
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Hank is the kind of cop whose actions serve no interests other than his own and those who profit from the drug war. He is a narc. Narcs (and vice cops) are the scumbags of law enforcement. They protect and help no one.
Walter is the kind of criminal whose actions are no more insidious or harmful to society than are those of the producers and marketers of cigarettes and beverage alcohol, both of which are lethally harmful recreational substances.
Blackmail is an aggressive action. What Walter has done is defend himself against a pathologically obsessive egomaniac.
If Hank wasn't engaged in an ego-driven pursuit, upon realizing that Walter is the elusive Heisenburg he would have immediately reported what he knows to his superior and recused himself from the case. But he had the smell of blood and it didn't matter that pursuing the prey would destroy a component of his own family and deeply injure two innocent children. He wanted to make the kill. His bestial nature was made apparent in the way he brutalized Pinkman.
So much for "cops" and "criminals."
That is a one-dimensional perception. The reality is Hank chose to play the game by his own rules and he's been checkmated.
Actually, that move got past me. I honestly don't know why Jesse beat the hell out of Saul, or what the cigarette pack was about. But I do know Jesse is not only his own worst enemy but represents a threat to everyone he comes in contact with because of his self-destructive, self-pitying, self-absorbed nature. Putting him to sleep is best for all concerned -- including him.
Walter is capable of extremely cunning, cold-bloodedly brutal behavior -- but only when he is backed into a corner. "Evil" is an aggressive concept. Walter's controversial actions are purely defensive.
Jesse is a disaster looking for a place to happen. He is a "boat rocker" who won't sit down. And there is only one way to deal with him.
Justice? If you mean justice in the true sense of the word, Hank would have gone to prison for what he did to Jesse Pinkman. He was spared that destructive ordeal but it hasn't given him the slightest pause.
The entire story is three-dimensional but you seem to have a one-dimensional perception of it.
MikeK
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You are quite right about that. In fact the absence of any form of public education is evidence that government has no real interest in reducing drug use but is interested only in perpetuating and expanding the wholly counterproductive drug war.
Public education managed to reduce the use of cigarettes by more than fifty percent in less than ten years without arresting a single individual. I smoked cigarettes for 35 years but I quit in 1985 because of a public education program, without which I would not have been motivated.
In 1985 I attended a publicized lecture at Queens College in New York, during which we were shown laboratory jars containing bisected cancerous lungs from corpses of long-term smokers. These were compared with bisected healthy lungs from non-smoking accident victims. That was enough for me. It took me three months but I managed to quit with the aid of Nicorette gum and lollipops.
I wasn't the only one who was motivated to quit by that lecture and similar public education efforts.
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MikeK
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The only thing I can't excuse Walter for is poisoning Brock. That was over the top.
As far as his checkmating Hank, I say Bravo! Why should he not have done exactly that? Hank is an egomaniacal bastard who deserves exactly that -- and more. It was a masterful move.
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Jesse Pinkman has become like a rabid dog.
He needs to be put down.
He needs to be put down.
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