Breaking Bad: The Final 8

[MikeK]

I'm not buying the Jesse Pinkman storyline. It's just not realistic.

Nobody would throw away $5 million because they felt guiltyl

Anybody who had $5 million would get over their guilt or make some excuse in their mind to justify what happened.

While this series is a fantastic expansion on reality it is still enjoyable. But you're right about Pinkman's totally incredible guilt trip.

I'm curious about what Walt is going to do with that ricin. I hope he manages to drop it in Hank's coffee. I can't stand that egomaniacal creep.

 

[Trajan]

I'm not buying the Jesse Pinkman storyline. It's just not realistic.

Nobody would throw away $5 million because they felt guiltyl

Anybody who had $5 million would get over their guilt or make some excuse in their mind to justify what happened.

I think it does, and I'd say then, you have never thankfully had something to feel that guilty about......as to the storyline, if you recall from season 3 I think it was, jesse had to go get dried out and wrestle with his conscience after his girlfriend died of an OD ( which Walter witnessed).

 

[Trajan]

I'm not buying the Jesse Pinkman storyline. It's just not realistic.

Nobody would throw away $5 million because they felt guiltyl

Anybody who had $5 million would get over their guilt or make some excuse in their mind to justify what happened.

While this series is a fantastic expansion on reality it is still enjoyable. But you're right about Pinkman's totally incredible guilt trip.

I'm curious about what Walt is going to do with that ricin. I hope he manages to drop it in Hank's coffee. I can't stand that egomaniacal creep.

wow, who's the bad guy here?

 

[Trajan]

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I am surprised at how fast they moved to the hank and walt confrontation, walt and hank are well aware of each other now...I thought they'd play with that for an episode at least, but with 8 total and 7 left I guess they felt they had to get right to it.

 

[g5000]

I'm not buying the Jesse Pinkman storyline. It's just not realistic.

Nobody would throw away $5 million because they felt guiltyl

Anybody who had $5 million would get over their guilt or make some excuse in their mind to justify what happened.

There is a child-like quality to Jesse. After all, he still calls Walter, "Mr. White" after all this time.

His guilt trip is plausible.

 

[g5000]

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I am surprised at how fast they moved to the hank and walt confrontation, walt and hank are well aware of each other now...I thought they'd play with that for an episode at least, but with 8 total and 7 left I guess they felt they had to get right to it.

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I was also surprised by this. But perhaps Hank's ignorance of Skylar's level of involvement will become a critical factor at some point, and consequently the confrontation between the two men had to be arrived at early.

 

[MikeK]

wow, who's the bad guy here?

I dislike narcs and vice cops and Hank Schraeder is the quintessence of that mentality.

While I admire and respect police officers who help and defend those who depend on them for protection, narcs help no one but themselves and those whose political, business, or personal interests they serve. In fact, if you study the numbers and circumstances you'll find the drug war is wholly counterproductive. It is massively wasteful economically and it does infinitely more harm than good. And the Schraeder character is the ultimate narc, a contemporary personification of Inspector Javert, the despicable, ego-driven, self-righteous pursuer of Jean Valjean in Les Miserables.

Walter White is not a good guy but he wears no deceptive veil. And what he does is for money -- not ego-gratification.

 

[MikeK]

I'm not buying the Jesse Pinkman storyline. It's just not realistic.

Nobody would throw away $5 million because they felt guiltyl

Anybody who had $5 million would get over their guilt or make some excuse in their mind to justify what happened.

There is a child-like quality to Jesse. After all, he still calls Walter, "Mr. White" after all this time.

His guilt trip is plausible.

While his guilt trip is plausible his obsessively self-punishing way of dealing with it is not. It is theatrically excessive. If his essential nature were so fundamentally moral as to impose such tormenting regret it would have prevented him from doing such regrettable things to begin with. The fact is Jesse Pinkman is fundamentally immoral. And while he might be capable of feeling remorse for his actions, the guilt would not impose the level of self-punishment we've seen.

The writers are portraying Jesse as a basically decent lost boy who is vulnerably receptive to such father figures as Walt and Mike -- but they blew it when they had him choose to let Hank, the brutal narc, off the hook in exchange for money.

 

[Snookie]

I'm not buying the Jesse Pinkman storyline. It's just not realistic.

Nobody would throw away $5 million because they felt guiltyl

Anybody who had $5 million would get over their guilt or make some excuse in their mind to justify what happened.

There is a child-like quality to Jesse. After all, he still calls Walter, "Mr. White" after all this time.

His guilt trip is plausible.

While his guilt trip is plausible his obsessively self-punishing way of dealing with it is not. It is theatrically excessive. If his essential nature were so fundamentally moral as to impose such tormenting regret it would have prevented him from doing such regrettable things to begin with. The fact is Jesse Pinkman is fundamentally immoral. And while he might be capable of feeling remorse for his actions, the guilt would not impose the level of self-punishment we've seen.

The writers are portraying Jesse as a basically decent lost boy who is vulnerably receptive to such father figures as Walt and Mike -- but they blew it when they had him choose to let Hank, the brutal narc, off the hook in exchange for money.

Jessie throws great parties. Pizza, crank, booze, but not so healthy.

 

[Smilodonfatalis]

wow, who's the bad guy here?

I dislike narcs and vice cops and Hank Schraeder is the quintessence of that mentality.

While I admire and respect police officers who help and defend those who depend on them for protection, narcs help no one but themselves and those whose political, business, or personal interests they serve. In fact, if you study the numbers and circumstances you'll find the drug war is wholly counterproductive. It is massively wasteful economically and it does infinitely more harm than good. And the Schraeder character is the ultimate narc, a contemporary personification of Inspector Javert, the despicable, ego-driven, self-righteous pursuer of Jean Valjean in Les Miserables.

Walter White is not a good guy but he wears no deceptive veil. And what he does is for money -- not ego-gratification.

I agree. The DEA are bad guys.

All drugs should be legal.

 

[Snookie]

wow, who's the bad guy here?

I dislike narcs and vice cops and Hank Schraeder is the quintessence of that mentality.

While I admire and respect police officers who help and defend those who depend on them for protection, narcs help no one but themselves and those whose political, business, or personal interests they serve. In fact, if you study the numbers and circumstances you'll find the drug war is wholly counterproductive. It is massively wasteful economically and it does infinitely more harm than good. And the Schraeder character is the ultimate narc, a contemporary personification of Inspector Javert, the despicable, ego-driven, self-righteous pursuer of Jean Valjean in Les Miserables.

Walter White is not a good guy but he wears no deceptive veil. And what he does is for money -- not ego-gratification.

I agree. The DEA are bad guys.

All drugs should be legal.

They are rotten doctors, too.

 

[g5000]

Walter White is not a good guy but he wears no deceptive veil. And what he does is for money -- not ego-gratification.

You must be watching a different show. The Walter White in Breaking Bad is all about ego. That's the whole point of the show. He made all the money he needed several seasons ago.

 

[Trajan]

******SPOILER ALERT****

we decided to watch it live and not tivo it
















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I am surprised at how fast they moved to the hank and walt confrontation, walt and hank are well aware of each other now...I thought they'd play with that for an episode at least, but with 8 total and 7 left I guess they felt they had to get right to it.

******SPOILER ALERT****





















I was also surprised by this. But perhaps Hank's ignorance of Skylar's level of involvement will become a critical factor at some point, and consequently the confrontation between the two men had to be arrived at early.

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yes, make sense.


I think you have a good point in that when hank discovers or figures out skylar had to at the very least be aware, he (walt) would have been better served if he had waited till hank figured this out, he may have had some leverage via the family connection etc. ...instead, walter went right to threat mode. Hanks gotta take him down now.

 

[Trajan]

Walter White is not a good guy but he wears no deceptive veil. And what he does is for money -- not ego-gratification.

You must be watching a different show. The Walter White in Breaking Bad is all about ego. That's the whole point of the show. He made all the money he needed several seasons ago.

yup...he turned the corner when he kept on after making some good cash and then going into remission...hes fighting a battle for 'respect' he think he lost as to Gray Matter...they made that pretty plain I think.

 

[Zona]

I hope it has a happy ending.

There is no way in the world it will end well. Entertaining but not good for Walter. Oh and I cheered when Walt punched him in the mouth, but when Walter said...tred lightly......wow. pimp!

 

[MikeK]

I think you have a good point in that when hank discovers or figures out skylar had to at the very least be aware, he (walt) would have been better served if he had waited till hank figured this out, he may have had some leverage via the family connection etc. ...instead, walter went right to threat mode. Hanks gotta take him down now.

You're forgetting that Hank's hospital bill was paid with Walt's drug money.

I'm expecting to see a confrontation in which Walt tells Hank to go ahead and try to take him down. If it becomes a question of whether Walt and[/i] Skyler go to jail I don't think Sylker or Junior will side with Hank. They will threaten to paint him as a willing accomplice and let him try saying he didn't know.

Or maybe Walt will just slip Hank the ricin.

 

[Snookie]

I think you have a good point in that when hank discovers or figures out skylar had to at the very least be aware, he (walt) would have been better served if he had waited till hank figured this out, he may have had some leverage via the family connection etc. ...instead, walter went right to threat mode. Hanks gotta take him down now.

You're forgetting that Hank's hospital bill was paid with Walt's drug money.

I'm expecting to see a confrontation in which Walt tells Hank to go ahead and try to take him down. If it becomes a question of whether Walt and[/i] Skyler go to jail I don't think Sylker or Junior will side with Hank. They will threaten to paint him as a willing accomplice and let him try saying he didn't know.

Or maybe Walt will just slip Hank the ricin.

Or make it more realistic and make hank a partner. Just make hi an offer he can't refuse.

 

[MikeK]

Walter White is not a good guy but he wears no deceptive veil. And what he does is for money -- not ego-gratification.

You must be watching a different show. The Walter White in Breaking Bad is all about ego. That's the whole point of the show. He made all the money he needed several seasons ago.

I think you're right and I haven't been paying attention.

 

[Trajan]

I think you have a good point in that when hank discovers or figures out skylar had to at the very least be aware, he (walt) would have been better served if he had waited till hank figured this out, he may have had some leverage via the family connection etc. ...instead, walter went right to threat mode. Hanks gotta take him down now.

You're forgetting that Hank's hospital bill was paid with Walt's drug money.

I'm expecting to see a confrontation in which Walt tells Hank to go ahead and try to take him down. If it becomes a question of whether Walt and[/i] Skyler go to jail I don't think Sylker or Junior will side with Hank. They will threaten to paint him as a willing accomplice and let him try saying he didn't know.

Or maybe Walt will just slip Hank the ricin.

excellent point, didn't think of that

the ricin? well, at the very beginning of this last 8 walt was at the house and took it out from behind the outlet plate...so, if its there then, he didn't use it before

I just don't see hank laying down....

 

[PixieStix]

Best show on TV. I will miss this show when it is over.

I think Skyler is an ass for not turning on her monster husband. Maybe she likes all the drama and money.

Someone is gonna get hurt real soon, I am thinking the writers may write in one of Walts family members getting killed or hurt. Hopefully not his son.,