Breaking! At Last Minute, Judge Engoron Denies Trump To Give His Closing Defense Argument At Civil Fraud Trial

[jbrownson0831]

The judge said in a letter that Trump hasn’t agreed to conditions he set should the former president wish to give a statement

Judge: Trump can't speak during closing arguments in $370 million civil fraud trial​

So, Trump didn't agree to the conditions the judge set forth.

Why would he agree to a criminal scumbag judge's conditions?

 

[jbrownson0831]

Judge Arthur Engoron said Wednesday he does not expect Donald Trump to speak during closing arguments in the $370 million New York civil fraud trial against Trump.

In a letter to attorneys for Trump and New York Attorney General Letitia James just after noon Wednesday, Engoron said that Trump hasn’t agreed to conditions he set should the former president wish to give a statement.

“Not having heard from you by the third extended deadline (noon today), I assume that Mr. Trump will not agree to the reasonable, lawful limits I have imposed as a precondition to giving a closing statement above and beyond those given by his attorneys, and that, therefore, he will not be speaking in court tomorrow,” Engoron wrote.


Email correspondence shows the parties have been discussing the possibility of Trump participating in the closing arguments since at least last week.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/01/10/politics/trump-civil-trial-testimony/index.html

Lakookta and cotex love them some corrupt judges....

 

[Catsnmeters]

Lakookta and cotex love them some corrupt judges....

Why do you think he is corrupt?

 

[WEATHER53]

The judge controls the courtroom, not some Big Mac gobbling orange overfed hog with an axe to grind.

Dotard just had his ass handed back to him. Again. Cry me a river.

It’s not about the window dressing for the judges courtroom
It’s about a fair trial with the accused right to defend.

 

[MagicMike]

Why would he agree to a criminal scumbag judge's conditions?

inmate number.” P01135809 is not entitled to any special privleges from the court.
No indicted felon likes (or agrees with) his judge/jury!
Doesn't matter.
They can boo-hoo all they want. At the end of the day it is the court/judge that makes the rules and the indicted felon that has to abide by them.
End of story.
Trump is going to learn this in a BIG way once his jury trials begin this year.
For the first time in his life he'll be required to show up on time, stand when told to stand, sit when told to sit, speak when told to speak, and shut the fuck up when told to shut up.
Should be entertaining.

 

[MagicMike]

It’s not about the window dressing for the judges courtroom
It’s about a fair trial with the accused right to defend.

Exactly!
In a "fair" trial the accused is expected to follow the rules the judge sets for the proceeding. Which includes setting parameters for what is allowed to be said.
Defendants don't get to set their own rules.
That is not "fairness."

 

[Lakhota]

Engoron just did what the judge did in the Alex Jones trial, deny his right to defend himself.

This is just another dishonest thread that left out the reason the judge cancelled Trump from speaking. Trump failed to comply with the terms the judge set forth by Noon today. Good for the judge.

 

[jbrownson0831]

This is just another dishonest thread that left out the reason the judge cancelled Trump from speaking. Trump failed to comply with the terms the judge set forth by Noon today. Good for the judge.

Yes it is a dishonest thread for sure.
The judge set illegal terms, since free speech requires none Lakookta.

 

[Blaster]

Kangaroo Court.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

Kangaroo Court.

Facts: Reporter: These were the conditions from the judge that Trump refused

MSN

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

Yes it is a dishonest thread for sure.
The judge set illegal terms, since free speech requires none Lakookta.

The Judge spelled out terms. And there are rules for what can and cannot be part of closing arguments.

"In delivering closing arguments, Trump would be bound by the same rules as an attorney would"

clue: The Judge has to approve it.


"They can only argue what the evidence has shown, what the evidence has not shown, and what reasonable inferences can be drawn from the evidence," Kuby said of pro-se defendants.

"The defendant can't just sit up there and shriek until the judge hits them with a rolled-up newspaper," he quipped.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

It’s not about the window dressing for the judges courtroom
It’s about a fair trial with the accused right to defend.

it's about the rules and the law. Trump likes neither.

 

[Chillicothe]

Dems are afraid of free speech.

Terrified.

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Why ...or how...would "Dems" be terrified in this case?
it's a small venue local court in New York.
I personally think the two posters quoted...CatBreath & BlueLgnd....are over-reacting. Hyperventilating, some might say. (tho I would not).

Some defendant who has a well known history of misinformation (he's the "30,000 fibs" guy, remember)....wants to give an extemporaneous speech in that small venue court.

What's to be afraid of?
So, beyond that hissyfit-in-a teapot......we all gotta remember, it is a court of law.
And the judge...and the law.....rule in that venue.
I know most of the posters and lurkers here know that.
So the TDS'rs can calm down. Don't display your duped & snookered status.
It is unbecoming.
IMHO

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tRump denied himself permission to speak.

True that.

In a Leftest Banana Republic like the US the justice system is used by rulers to curtail any opposition.

Where, in North America..or the continental United States are bananas grown, poster Flash?
Explain yourself.

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Why would he agree to a criminal scumbag judge's conditions?
......Lakookta and cotex love them some corrupt judges....

Explain your "corrupt" allegation, poster brownson.
What do you mean?
How do you know?
What vetting can you offer the forum?
Please show the forum your gravitas.

inmate number.” P01135809 is not entitled to any special privleges from the court.

Again, true that.

 

[WEATHER53]

Two questions
Do other defendants every get to present part of their defense themselves?
When they request to do so, how often are they denied.?

 

[WEATHER53]

it's about the rules and the law. Trump likes neither.


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I wonder why it doesn’t say specifically “the defendant” instead of “a party”??

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

I wonder why it doesn’t say specifically “the defendant” instead of “a party”??

You appear to be confused. You'd have to go back and read what that is referring to: section 1201

The section of New York's Civil Practice Law and Rules

2022 New York Laws :: CVP - Civil Practice Law and Rules :: Article 3 - Jurisdiction and Service, Appearance and Choice of Court :: 321 - Attorneys.

Justia Free Databases of US Laws, Codes & Statutes

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https://codes.findlaw.com/ny/new-york-city-civil-court-act/cca-sect-1809-a/

 

[BluesLegend]

Crying. Men come to me with tears in their eyes and they say "Please Sir, make that lunatic judge stop"

I sense Dem bitterness and hatred in your post, and a great sadness.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

Section 321 - Attorneys, N.Y. CPLR 321 | Casetext Search + Citator

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Current through 2023 NY Law Chapter 774

Section 321 - Attorneys(a) Appearance in person or by attorney. A party, other than one specified in section 1201 of this chapter, may prosecute or defend a civil action in person or by attorney, except that a corporation or voluntary association shall appear by attorney, except as otherwise provided in sections 1809 and 1809-A of the New York city civil court act, sections 1809 and 1809-A of the uniform district court act and sections 1809 and 1809-A of the uniform city court act, and except as otherwise provided in section 501 and section 1809 of the uniform justice court act. If a party appears by attorney such party may not act in person in the action except by consent of the court.

(b) Change or withdrawal of attorney. 1. Unless the party is a person specified in section 1201, an attorney of record may be changed by filing with the clerk a consent to the change signed by the retiring attorney and signed and acknowledged by the party. Notice of such change of attorney shall be given to the attorneys for all parties in the action or, if a party appears without an attorney, to the party.

2. An attorney of record may withdraw or be changed by order of the court in which the action is pending, upon motion on such notice to the client of the withdrawing attorney, to the attorneys of all other parties in the action or, if a party appears without an attorney, to the party, and to any other person, as the court may direct.

(c) Death, removal or disability of attorney. If an attorney dies, becomes physically or mentally incapacitated, or is removed, suspended or otherwise becomes disabled at any time before judgment, no further proceeding shall be taken in the action against the party for whom he appeared, without leave of the court, until thirty days after notice to appoint another attorney has been served upon that party either personally or in such manner as the court directs.

(d) Limited scope appearance. 1. An attorney may appear on behalf of a party in a civil action or proceeding for limited purposes. Whenever an attorney appears for limited purposes, a notice of limited scope appearance shall be filed in addition to any self-represented appearance that the party may have already filed with the court. The notice of limited scope appearance shall be signed by the attorney entering the limited scope appearance and shall define the purposes for which the attorney is appearing. Upon such filing, and unless otherwise directed by the court, the attorney shall be entitled to appear for the defined purposes.

2.Unless otherwise directed by the court upon a finding of extraordinary circumstances and for good cause shown, upon completion of the purposes for which the attorney has filed a limited scope appearance, the attorney shall file a notice of completion of limited scope appearance which shall constitute the attorney's withdrawal from the action or proceeding.
N.Y. CPLR 321

Amended by New York Laws 2022 , ch. 710, Sec. 1, eff. 12/16/2022.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

I sense Dem bitterness and hatred in your post, and a great sadness.

Bitterness? Hatred? Sadness?

 

[BluesLegend]

Unless it’s Ivy League students calling for the genocide of Jews. THEN it depends on the context.

That's Dem CULT approved speech.