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[RoccoR]

RE: Boycot Israel
SUBTOPIC: Self-Determination Again
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al

(OPENING) Is that so?

A/RES/49/148 7 February 1995 Universal realization of the right of peoples to self-determination

In 1924 Palestine became a state according to postwar treaties. This was affirmed by the League of Nations and others. Former Ottoman subjects became Palestinians. (CMT). NOT TRUE, YOU WILL NOT FIND ANY TREATY THAT CREATED A SOVEREIGN STATE OF PALESTINE

The Palestinians have the right to create a sovereign state. However, illegal foreign colonial occupation has prevented that. The Palestinians have been fighting against foreign colonialism for over a hundred years and they have every legal right to do so.

The Palestinians, through BDS and other activities, have made great inroads in that direction.

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Imbedded here is what many postulate as the right to self-determination, which some assume includes the right to independent statehood.

The Palestinians have the right to create a sovereign state.

As in the case of the Arab Palestinians, they deduce that the "right of self-determination" also implies the right to pursue hostile and violence to achieve their political objectives.

I suspect that any attempt by some faction of any country in the Americas, is going to meet with a major conflict and bloodshed on their hands if they try to breakaway from their central authority and form a new nation.

All PEOPLES have the "right of self-determination." But I can think of no country which would allow a political subdivision to detach themselves through the use of force.

This is not awn ideal world, and the reality is, that there will be blood if a political solution is not negotiated. Most countries would consider the seditious movement to further secession. This concept is the inverse of what we currently see in the Ukraine. And the Ukraine is defending its sovereign boundaries.

Israel will defend its sovereign boundaries against any threat they perceive as a threat to their sovereignty. On the other hand, there is a question as to Palestinian sovereignty (exercise of final authority, rule, and control).

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Sixties Fan]

[ Is the EU going to be asked to stop illegally building in Area C, or funding terrorism? ]

The European Union is looking to Israel to help reduce its energy dependence on Russia following the Russian invasion of Ukraine, European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen said in Jerusalem on Tuesday.

“We want to boost our energy cooperation with Israel,” the EU executive said in a joint press briefing with Israeli Prime Minister Naftali Bennett.

(full article online)

EU Looking to Israel to Help It Reduce Energy Reliance on Russia

Israeli Prime Minister Naftali Bennett and European Commission President Ursula Von Der Leyen pose for a photo before their meeting …

www.algemeiner.com

 

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European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen (back) looks on as EU Commissioner for Energy Kadri Simson (L), Egyptian Minister of Petroleum Tarek el-Molla (C), and Israeli Minister of Energy Karine Elharrar (R) sign a trilateral natural gas deal at the ministerial meeting of the East Mediterranean Gas Forum (EMGF) in Cairo on June 15, 2022. The deal provides for the export of Israeli natural gas, via Egypt, to Europe. (Khaled DESOUKI / AFP)

Israel, Egypt and the European Union signed a memorandum of understanding on Wednesday in Cairo that will see Israel export its natural gas to the bloc for the first time.

The landmark agreement will increase liquified natural gas sales to EU countries, which are aiming to reduce dependence on supply from Russia in the wake of its invasion of Ukraine.

Last year, the EU imported roughly 40 percent of its gas from Russia. It has faced energy difficulties since imposing sweeping sanctions on Moscow.


Elharrar also said the agreement highlighted increasing cooperation between Egypt and Israel.

“This is a statement to those who see in our region only negative forces such as division and conflict,” she said. “This MOU shows us that we are paving a new path of partnership, solidarity and sustainability.”

(full article online )

https://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-eu-egypt-agree-deal-to-export-natural-gas-to-europe/

 

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A poster advertising the first basketball game between the Morocco and Israel national women's' teams played on June 15 2022 (Royal Moroccan Basketball Federation)

In historic first, Morocco face Israel in quiet basketball diplomacy match

Hosts come out on top in first game since signing of sport cooperation agreement; match marks first time Arab female players played an Israeli national team in their country

www.timesofisrael.com

 

[Sixties Fan]

There is no place in civilized society for such acts — nor for rhetoric that motivates the unstable to do the terrible. Nor is there a place for a BDS movement if it is going to use (justified) anger with Israel’s policies to foment antisemitic conspiracy theories and to implicitly call for violence against “agents of oppression,” including Jewish entities.

The Mapping Project is ludicrous in its attempt to implicate Jews. It includes JewishBoston, a publication of the Combined Jewish Philanthropies of Greater Boston, because it “pushes propaganda which glories Israel.” Such as? “JewishBoston helped promote ‘Taste of Israel 2022’ … which featured Boston area restaurants serving and promoting ‘Israel’s diverse culinary landscape.’ ”

The long list of groups “systemically connected” with supposed Zionist oppressors includes: the AFL-CIO, Apple, Google, the Bill & Melinda Gates Medical Research Institute, the Boston Globe, the City of Boston, Democratic Sens. Ed Markey and Elizabeth Warren, the FBI, the Harpoon Brewery, the Harvard Center for Middle Eastern Studies, Pfizer and Moderna, an interminable collection of businesses, universities and police departments, and seemingly every Jewish group under the sun.

If the broader movement isn’t willing to step in and condemn those among them fanning antisemitic conspiracy theories and violence against Jews, then BDS will become nothing more than BS.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/06/15/boston-bds-map-antisemitic-denounce/

 

[Sixties Fan]

The controversy began when a blog post by a little-known local group called the Kassel Alliance Against Antisemitism suddenly made headlines in the German media. In the text, the Kassel group accused Documenta organizers of anti-Zionism and antisemitism, listing the names of curators and artists participating in the show who support BDS, and pointing out the anti-Israel activities of members of a Palestinian artists’ collective taking part in Documenta.

In 2019, the German government passed a non-binding condemnation of the BDS movement as antisemitic that stopped short of an outright ban. Ahead of Documenta, critics and some German media are asking whether a state-funded German institution should be inviting curators and artists who support a cultural boycott of Israel.

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Following Schuster’s critique, at least one of the invitees called off their participation in the panel. Then, in early May, Documenta announced that it was suspending the talks altogether. Instead, the Ruangrupa and Documenta organizers defended their position in a letter that was published in the media (though none of the latter group signed the letter individually).

The letter called the allegations “rumors” and portrayed them as a racist campaign of delegitimization. Participants’ BDS support isn’t mentioned, though “BDS-proximity” is denied. It also said that accusations of antisemitism are used to end careers and called the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance definition of antisemitism — which was adopted by the German parliament — contentious, especially regarding Israel-related antisemitism.

Sznaider believes that the Documenta debate, along with the choice of art being showcased, should be seen in the context of a changing discourse in Germany. The country is undergoing a renewal and finally beginning to see itself as the migrant society that it is, he said.

“There is a new German cultural elite that wants to be less provincial, and that includes being more open towards the Palestinians, being less ‘careful’ with Jews, and also being permitted to question the mainstream politics of Shoah remembrance,” Sznaider said.

“In that cultural setting,” he said, “counter-arguments are wrongly seen as belonging to an outdated discourse.”

(full article online)

Are organizers of a major German art festival gaslighting critics about BDS support?

Opening June 18, the 15th Documenta is curated by an Indonesian collective whose members have accused Israel of apartheid, touching a nerve in a country haunted by the Holocaust

www.timesofisrael.com

 

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Alphabet stockholders voted not to approve a stockholder proposal against Google's work on Israel's Nimbus Project, after Alphabet's annual meeting of stockholders on June 1.

Vote against BDS proposal​

There were 544,653,039 votes against and 55,301,799 for the proposal for Alphabet's board to issue a report reassessing its role in the $1.2 billion project to transfer Israeli government IT infastructure to cloud-based data centers. There were 3,825,111 abstentions. Each Class A common stock was worth one vote, and Class B common stock 10 votes.


The vote rejecting the proposal fell in line with the Alphabet board of directors' recommendation to vote against it.


(full article online)

Google stockholders vote against BDS proposal on Israeli Nimbus Project

The vote to continue Google's Nimbus Project with Israel came at the recommendation of Alphabet's board of directors.

www.jpost.com

 

[Sixties Fan]

Israel forged a major economic pact with Arkansas on Tuesday to share research and technology, especially for agriculture, broadening a trade relationship between the two worth hundreds of millions of dollars.

Though his state contains one of the smallest Jewish populations in the nation, Arkansas governor Asa Hutchinson (R.) celebrated the trade agreement for bringing closer ties with Israel, which he called "a critical ally." Trade between the two was valued at more than $100 million last year, and both have enjoyed agricultural and scientific research grants worth more than $400,000 since the start of their partnership. In 2017, Hutchinson passed a law prohibiting Arkansas from working with companies that support the anti-Israel Boycott, Divestment, and Sanctions movement. He told the Washington Free Beacon their new memorandum of understanding reflects Arkansas’s ongoing "friendship" with the Jewish state.

(full article online)

Arkansas Forges Major Economic Pact With Israel - Washington Free Beacon

Israel forged a major economic pact with Arkansas on Tuesday to share research and technology, especially for agriculture, broadening a trade relationship between the two worth hundreds of millions of dollars.

freebeacon.com

 

[Sixties Fan]

In May, after a saga of legal back-and-forth, the CFIA ruled that Psagot Winery can keep the “Product of Israel” label, so long as it adds clarifying information indicating that the wines are produced in a region administered by the State of Israel. Under the Oslo Accords, Israel has jurisdiction over the Jewish settlements, including where the wine was produced. Canadian law recognizes that jurisdiction. In the U.S., such products are simply labelled “Made in Israel.”

This contrasts sharply with a 2019 decision issued by the Court of Justice of the European Union, which banned “Made in Israel” labeling for any goods produced beyond Israel’s pre-1967 borders, including the Old City of Jerusalem.

Many critics have described the ruling as discriminatory and even antisemitic, given that there are over 200 ongoing territorial disputes in the world — from Crimea to Kashmir to Western Sahara — with no other administering countries are not constrained in this way. For example, wine from Nagorno-Karabakh is labelled in Europe as a “Product of Armenia,” the country that controls much of the region, even though it is regarded as occupied Azerbaijani territory. If a food product is exported from the Falkland Islands, a British Overseas Territory still known in Argentina as the Malvinas, it can still be labelled “Product of the UK.”

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The complaint rests primarily on the Safe Food for Canadians Act, which requires that all food products must be labelled in ways that are not “false,” “misleading” or “likely to create an erroneous impression,” reinforcing its claim with the precedent set by the CFIA’s Psagot ruling.



In the legal analysis attached to the complaint, they note that not only is the “State of Palestine” a nonexistent entity unrecognized by Canada, the government of Canada had voted against a United Nations General Assembly resolution claiming there was such a state. Moreover, Canada’s labelling regulations require that the CO be either a country or a World Trade Organization member, which includes non-sovereign customs territories like Hong Kong. Israel is both. “Palestine” is neither.

(full article online)

Barbara Kay: Lawyers target anti-Israel double standard over product labels

They hope Canada will resist the anti-Israel bias displayed in Europe

nationalpost.com

 

[Sixties Fan]

 

[P F Tinmore]

He sounds like a cow.

 

[Hollie]

Another day. Another failure for the BDS'ers

 

[P F Tinmore]

Comparing the Palestinian BDS Movement and Global Sanctions on Russia​

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Comparing the Palestinian BDS Movement and Global Sanctions on Russia​

I agree, Russian and Palestinian violence should both be sanctioned.

 

[Hollie]

It's as though the BDS'ers live to fail.

 

[P F Tinmore]

 

[P F Tinmore]

All PEOPLES have the "right of self-determination." But I can think of no country which would allow a political subdivision to detach themselves through the use of force.

I've never heard that before.

Link?

 

[rylah]

I've never heard that before.

Link?

Amman 1 Year After Jordan's Civil War | Sept. 1970/71​

However, the best part about 'Palestinian pride' is
now you can parade Arafat as LGBT visionary.

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Boycot Israel
SUBTOPIC: Self-Determination Again
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al
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(PREFACE) For almost every State, there is a threshold for the criminal ideas of "sedition" and "treason." When you speak and advocate the detachment from the republic, federation, national body, or a political subdivision for any purpose, that is criminal in almost every nation. It does not matter whether or not you are "Exercising the Right of Self-determination" and the creation a new and independent state (or not). This is a matter of loyalty, especially in a political state.

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◈ Sedition: Each National Authority or Government frowns upon the advocation incitement of the citizenry to rebel against the national authority or attempt to force a regime change.​

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◈ Treason: Each National Authority or Government frowns on the betrayal of the government, especially by attempting to - or - promoting the overthrow the government or otherwise force a regime change.​

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◈ Insurrection: Each National Authority or Government frowns on a violent uprising against an authority or government. In America, there are legal and constitutional means to secure that change. But it is a non-violent process.​

I've never heard that before.

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I am not, for a moment, send you to a page about loyalty. I am not going to send you to a page that would attempt to explain the allegiance to one's country. You are either loyal and support and defend one's country, or you don't. That is a matter for each individual to follow their heart. Like America, most countries hope that the citizenry promises to support and defend the Constitution (or equivalent).

When I was growing-up, the morning in school started with the Pledge of Allegiance, and the Republic that is "indivisible."

There is no international law that either allows for or prohibits actively working against the government. BUT, the International Convention on Civil and Political Rights (CCPR) does prohibit any Any propaganda for war. And the CCPR prohibits the advocacy of hatred that constitutes incitement to hostility or violence. And it does not make exceptions.
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I take exception to the notion you spread that: you have "never heard that before." You may not understand the concepts of integrity, loyalty, patriotism, the defense of the Republic, and the defense of the Constitution for the nation that is indivisible. But I'm sure that somewhere along the way, you have experienced the sentiment.
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Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Sixties Fan]

The memorandum of understanding is not legally binding, but the arrangement it sketches out says gas sales will continue at least through 2030. Israeli gas deliveries would begin under the terms of an agreement that remains to be finalized.

But the memorandum of understanding is causing some grumblings in the Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions campaign against Israel (BDS) and from Ireland’s leading opposition party, Sinn Fein.

Responding to the memorandum of understanding, the BDS movement tweeted, “The EU is outrageously hypocritical. To punish Russia over its illegal, months-long invasion of Ukraine, the EU is replacing Russian gas by, among others, gas from Israel despite its decades-old apartheid regime against Palestinians.”

A follow-up BDS tweet insisted that “Apartheid Israel’s actual gas reserves and production volume are relatively small when compared to ten other states in the Middle East and North Africa. Much of Israel’s claimed gas is stolen or disputed. Why is the EU treating Israel as if it were a reliable energy giant?”
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Royal Dutch Shell held the rights to exploit gas from Gaza Marine, but ran into headaches dealing with the Palestinian Authority in Ramallah and Gaza’s de facto Hamas rulers.

At various points, Shell sought to sell gas to the Israel Electric Corporation and Jordan. The IEC balked out of concern that its money would ultimately wind up going to Hamas, while the Jordanians preferred dealing with Israelis over Palestinians.

So in 2018, Shell relinquished its rights. Gaza Marine remains undeveloped.

In addition to memorandum of understanding, Turkey is courting Israeli cooperation on further gas sales to Europe.

So what to make of BDS silence on Turkish, Egyptian and Jordanian energy dealings with Israel?

“Ireland has a responsibility to draw attention to this hypocrisy at an international level. The EU has a responsibility to avoid rewarding states in breach of international law,” Sinn Fein insisted.

“It must act consistently with the principles which define the EU. The EU cannot be seen to reward states which are consistently in breach of international law, through their blatant contravention of human rights.”

It almost sounds like they’re lumping democratic Israel together with the genocidal, autocratic Russian regime.

If that’s the moral equivalence BDS and Sinn Fein want to draw, why don’t they abandon their snobbish conceit and just continue purchasing Russian gas?

(full article online)

BDS Prefers Genocidal Russia Over Buying Israeli Gas | United with Israel

Russia is slaughtering innocent Ukrainians, and BDS wants to stop nations from buying their fuel from Israel, an alternative to the genocidal regime in Moscow.

unitedwithisrael.org