Born free, and everywhere chained by religion.

[PainefulTruth]

Read the bible (all the bible) in contex thou shall not ""murder"" is not the same as kill. Jesus himself will destroy millions (all) of those god hating evil loving at his soon return.

Define soon. By even the most liberal definition, 2000 years is not soon. Even Paul's contemporaries thought 20 years was beyond soon. Where the hell is he, we're dying out here.

 

[GISMYS]

No worries!!! Your wait is almost over. But these last days mockers and scoffers may wish for the ""good old days"" !!! And you?

 

[Vox]

In your opinion but not in mine. And not in law, which is, for all practical purposes, what counts.

nope. law can be changed.

murder can't.

Laws can be changed, it's true. And over the last hundred years the rate of changed has accelerated, throughout the civilised world and America, in the direction of decriminalising abortion.

which does not mean it is not going to be reversed.

blacks were considered property and not equal to others as well.
So were women, And children.

The emancipation of the unborn is the next one.

 

[Publius1787]

"Violence and discrimination against religious groups by governments and rival faiths have reached new highs in all regions of the world except the Americas, according to a new Pew Research Center report.

"Social hostility such as attacks on minority faiths or pressure to conform to certain norms was strong in one-third of the 198 countries and territories surveyed in 2012, especially in the Middle East and North Africa, it said on Tuesday."

I guess the research didn't survey message boards such as this one.

full article here:

Religious groups face increased hostility worldwide: report

Uh oh, someone's trying to put a twist on Rousseau's Discourses whereas he stated ""Man is born free, and everywhere he is in chains" (Which is another foundation of modern Marxism). Indeed it was Karl Marx who said that "religion is the opiate of the masses" and it was the USSR that funded "liberation theology" in South America as a means to "give them opium," or as Nikita Khrushchev put it “Religion is the opiate of the people, so let's give them opium.” http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...7DUk7JkTNMNdniDnyIqXIUA&bvm=bv.59568121,d.cWc

 

[Peterf]

nope. law can be changed.

murder can't.

Laws can be changed, it's true. And over the last hundred years the rate of changed has accelerated, throughout the civilised world and America, in the direction of decriminalising abortion.

which does not mean it is not going to be reversed.

blacks were considered property and not equal to others as well.
So were women, And children.

The emancipation of the unborn is the next one.

Nowhere in Europe is there any prospect of banning abortion. You know the position in America better that I do - but do you really consider that pro life is in the ascendency? I know you want it to be but is it?

 

[Avatar4321]

Laws can be changed, it's true. And over the last hundred years the rate of changed has accelerated, throughout the civilised world and America, in the direction of decriminalising abortion.

which does not mean it is not going to be reversed.

blacks were considered property and not equal to others as well.
So were women, And children.

The emancipation of the unborn is the next one.

Nowhere in Europe is there any prospect of banning abortion. You know the position in America better that I do - but do you really consider that pro life is in the ascendency? I know you want it to be but is it?

As long as the pro abortion groups continue to eliminate their offspring and genes from the population it will be.

 

[daws101]

The world leaders would love to make one religion and force everyone to obey them. LOL

Imagine no religion...

If you have to imagine there is no hell then there is a hell. If you have to imagine there is no God then there is a God. If you have to imagine that the opposite exists then it is called avoiding reality.

sure, an imaginary one ... like the invisible friend you had as a kid ,only yours never left...

 

[daws101]

which does not mean it is not going to be reversed.

blacks were considered property and not equal to others as well.
So were women, And children.

The emancipation of the unborn is the next one.

Nowhere in Europe is there any prospect of banning abortion. You know the position in America better that I do - but do you really consider that pro life is in the ascendency? I know you want it to be but is it?

As long as the pro abortion groups continue to eliminate their offspring and genes from the population it will be.

false! there are more the enough babies being born everyday to offset the abortion rate by a wide margin...
if you really want to worry, then worry about how to feed all those extra mouths..

 

[Wry Catcher]

"Violence and discrimination against religious groups by governments and rival faiths have reached new highs in all regions of the world except the Americas, according to a new Pew Research Center report.

"Social hostility such as attacks on minority faiths or pressure to conform to certain norms was strong in one-third of the 198 countries and territories surveyed in 2012, especially in the Middle East and North Africa, it said on Tuesday."

I guess the research didn't survey message boards such as this one.

full article here:

Religious groups face increased hostility worldwide: report

Uh oh, someone's trying to put a twist on Rousseau's Discourses whereas he stated ""Man is born free, and everywhere he is in chains" (Which is another foundation of modern Marxism). Indeed it was Karl Marx who said that "religion is the opiate of the masses" and it was the USSR that funded "liberation theology" in South America as a means to "give them opium," or as Nikita Khrushchev put it “Religion is the opiate of the people, so let's give them opium.” http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...7DUk7JkTNMNdniDnyIqXIUA&bvm=bv.59568121,d.cWc

The full quote of Marx, in context is thus:

"Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium of the people".

You and others equate Marxism with totalitarianism/despotism which suggests a limited understanding of history (to be nice). Simply because one has empathy for those in poverty does not make them a supporter of the form of government which exists in Russia or China, et al 'communist' states.

This entire RED SCARE neo McCarthyism is at best disingenuous and divisive and prevents any intelligent dialogue directed toward reform in our country. Notice how many consider the PPACA "socialism" and yet support a neo fascism plutocracy, which seems to describe the prevalent description of political economy in our nation today.

 

[Chuckt]

Nowhere in Europe is there any prospect of banning abortion. You know the position in America better that I do - but do you really consider that pro life is in the ascendency? I know you want it to be but is it?

As long as the pro abortion groups continue to eliminate their offspring and genes from the population it will be.

false! there are more the enough babies being born everyday to offset the abortion rate by a wide margin...
if you really want to worry, then worry about how to feed all those extra mouths..

You're putting a price on a life.

 

[daws101]

As long as the pro abortion groups continue to eliminate their offspring and genes from the population it will be.

false! there are more the enough babies being born everyday to offset the abortion rate by a wide margin...
if you really want to worry, then worry about how to feed all those extra mouths..

You're putting a price on a life.

yes I am, because there is one...there are no free lunches in nature..

 

[Peterf]

which does not mean it is not going to be reversed.

blacks were considered property and not equal to others as well.
So were women, And children.

The emancipation of the unborn is the next one.

Nowhere in Europe is there any prospect of banning abortion. You know the position in America better that I do - but do you really consider that pro life is in the ascendency? I know you want it to be but is it?

As long as the pro abortion groups continue to eliminate their offspring and genes from the population it will be.

I'm not part of any group, nor am I 'pro abortion'. I'm pro contraception. Abortion is imo less bad than the birth of an unwanted child.

I understand that some people have religious objections to abortion and I do not think that any medical staff should have to participate in these procedures as a condition of their employment. Similarly I do not think that religious people have any right to impose their beliefs on others by means of the criminal law,

 

[Unkotare]

America is no exception. Many Muslim and Sikh temples are burned and their pilgrims murdered here in the U.S.. .

"Many"?

 

[Unkotare]

there are more the enough babies being born everyday to offset the abortion rate by a wide margin.....

"Offset"?


Fertility rates among American women are below replacement levels. The only reason we are not YET facing the demographic consequences that most other industrialized nations are is our relatively high levels of immigration.

 

[Vox]

Laws can be changed, it's true. And over the last hundred years the rate of changed has accelerated, throughout the civilised world and America, in the direction of decriminalising abortion.

which does not mean it is not going to be reversed.

blacks were considered property and not equal to others as well.
So were women, And children.

The emancipation of the unborn is the next one.

Nowhere in Europe is there any prospect of banning abortion. You know the position in America better that I do - but do you really consider that pro life is in the ascendency? I know you want it to be but is it?

Abortion in Europe is already banned in a lot of countries and nowhere in Europe abortion is allowed for no other reason than convenience after 12 weeks. it is in the US
The Bacchanalia of murder in America is unprecedented in the civilized world.

But both in Europe AND in America the law can and will be changed.

as the demography shows it's ugly face

 

[daws101]

there are more the enough babies being born everyday to offset the abortion rate by a wide margin.....

"Offset"?


Fertility rates among American women are below replacement levels. The only reason we are not YET facing the demographic consequences that most other industrialized nations are is our relatively high levels of immigration.

bullshit:

Fact Sheet: The Decline in U.S. Fertility

 

[Unkotare]

there are more the enough babies being born everyday to offset the abortion rate by a wide margin.....

"Offset"?


Fertility rates among American women are below replacement levels. The only reason we are not YET facing the demographic consequences that most other industrialized nations are is our relatively high levels of immigration.

bullshit:

Fact Sheet: The Decline in U.S. Fertility

What "bullshit"?

 

[Vox]

"Offset"?


Fertility rates among American women are below replacement levels. The only reason we are not YET facing the demographic consequences that most other industrialized nations are is our relatively high levels of immigration.

bullshit:

Fact Sheet: The Decline in U.S. Fertility

What "bullshit"?

she does not understand what you are talking about. it is way above her abilities to comprehend

 

[Publius1787]

"Violence and discrimination against religious groups by governments and rival faiths have reached new highs in all regions of the world except the Americas, according to a new Pew Research Center report.

"Social hostility such as attacks on minority faiths or pressure to conform to certain norms was strong in one-third of the 198 countries and territories surveyed in 2012, especially in the Middle East and North Africa, it said on Tuesday."

I guess the research didn't survey message boards such as this one.

full article here:

Religious groups face increased hostility worldwide: report

Uh oh, someone's trying to put a twist on Rousseau's Discourses whereas he stated ""Man is born free, and everywhere he is in chains" (Which is another foundation of modern Marxism). Indeed it was Karl Marx who said that "religion is the opiate of the masses" and it was the USSR that funded "liberation theology" in South America as a means to "give them opium," or as Nikita Khrushchev put it “Religion is the opiate of the people, so let's give them opium.” http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...7DUk7JkTNMNdniDnyIqXIUA&bvm=bv.59568121,d.cWc

The full quote of Marx, in context is thus:

"Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium of the people".

You and others equate Marxism with totalitarianism/despotism which suggests a limited understanding of history (to be nice). Simply because one has empathy for those in poverty does not make them a supporter of the form of government which exists in Russia or China, et al 'communist' states.

This entire RED SCARE neo McCarthyism is at best disingenuous and divisive and prevents any intelligent dialogue directed toward reform in our country. Notice how many consider the PPACA "socialism" and yet support a neo fascism plutocracy, which seems to describe the prevalent description of political economy in our nation today.

Of course I equate Marx to totalitarianism. It is the only way to achieve his "healthy" society. You see, Marxism is the antithesis of human nature. So, as human nature seems to be the barrier, you must use force to get everyone "walking in the same healthy direction." Modern Marxists have abandoned Marx. Why? Because Marx was dead wrong about how a communist society would come about.

 

[Wry Catcher]

Uh oh, someone's trying to put a twist on Rousseau's Discourses whereas he stated ""Man is born free, and everywhere he is in chains" (Which is another foundation of modern Marxism). Indeed it was Karl Marx who said that "religion is the opiate of the masses" and it was the USSR that funded "liberation theology" in South America as a means to "give them opium," or as Nikita Khrushchev put it “Religion is the opiate of the people, so let's give them opium.” http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...7DUk7JkTNMNdniDnyIqXIUA&bvm=bv.59568121,d.cWc

The full quote of Marx, in context is thus:

"Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium of the people".

You and others equate Marxism with totalitarianism/despotism which suggests a limited understanding of history (to be nice). Simply because one has empathy for those in poverty does not make them a supporter of the form of government which exists in Russia or China, et al 'communist' states.

This entire RED SCARE neo McCarthyism is at best disingenuous and divisive and prevents any intelligent dialogue directed toward reform in our country. Notice how many consider the PPACA "socialism" and yet support a neo fascism plutocracy, which seems to describe the prevalent description of political economy in our nation today.

Of course I equate Marx to totalitarianism. It is the only way to achieve his "healthy" society. You see, Marxism is the antithesis of human nature. So, as human nature seems to be the barrier, you must use force to get everyone "walking in the same healthy direction." Modern Marxists have abandoned Marx. Why? Because Marx was dead wrong about how a communist society would come about.

"Modern Marxists have abandoned Marx"? Really? So what makes them Marxists?

You missed my point by a mile. The Red Scare has become a running theme on this message board, I suggest you read my post again and then some history, with particular attention to the plight of the average person living in the period known as the Gilded Age up to the passage of the Wagner Act in 1935.

Then consider the post WWII economic boom followed by the failure of Voodoo Economics and today, the era of blame.

In one respect you are right. Economic 'theory', be it Marxist or Supply Side, which does not take into account human nature is nothing more than a postulate.