Bolsonaro supporters storm Brazilian Congress

[Ringo]

Bolonaru supporters seize government buildings.
I wonder if they are now "representatives of the people" or "internal terrorists"?

 

[basquebromance]

 

[SeaMajor7]

You know Lula was democratically elected and you just proposed a coup...

Did't work in J6, what do you think you learnt which you will do this time..

You know what was an attempted coup?
Three + YEARS of RUSSIA RUSSIA RUSSIA accusations and fucking false IMPEACHMENTS of a duly elected president!
Stopping vote tabulation in the dark early morning in swing state districts SIMULTANEOUSLY to fucking STEAL THE ELECTION!!!
How about EVIL GAIN of FUNCTION RESEARCH and release of a BIO WEAPONIZED VIRUS!!!!!!
Also the fucking FBI infiltrating Twitter to CENSOR conservatives!!!!
All that and more WAS the COUP you demented avenger subverted demoralized zombies accuse the right of by your trademark PROJECTION!!!
FUCK OFF with your BULLSHIT you ASSHOLE !!!!

 

[CowboyTed]

Lula....The felonious communist, who could only run because the cronies he stocked the courts with expunged his record.

BTW UN said his conviction was unsound too...

Brazil Slaps Down UN Human Rights Committee Request on Lula

The United Nations Human Rights Committee has asked Brazil to guarantee the political rights of jailed former president Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva, prompting a swift response by Brazil’s foreign ministry pointing out the recommendation had no legal significance.

www.bloomberg.com

This is the problem with the Righties here... The conviction of Lula was wrong... It was appealed to the UN and they said it was wrong too...

Hold your breath lads, the righties are going to now attack the UN International Court of Justice... Seriously...

 

[CowboyTed]

There is no proof you'd accept and I doubt anyone cares to spend the time convincing you

We would accept proof if a court would...

Could you please show proof that was verified by a court... Something posted on internet or What's App is not proof...

2000 Mules is a joke... It does not hold up in a court of law..

 

[JoeB131]

Maybe all our wingnuts need to move to Brazil.

They'd be a lot happier there.

 

[CowboyTed]

He won by fraud. They used the same voting machines that was used to cheat Trump on election night.

Well then he should been able to prove that in court just like Trump did...

Oh Wait!!!!

 

[CowboyTed]

Lula is a rather typical corrupt radical leftist…sadly that makes up most of South American politicians and govts. it’s why dems support them so much

Again, that needs actual proof...

But Bolsonaro seems to be very lucky.... Look his family bought all of this property, they must have won the lottery...

Brazil's Bolsonaro rejects corruption claims as election looms

Jair Bolsonaro claims to be under media attack after a news site reported members of the president’s family bought 51 properties for $4.7M.

www.trtworld.com

Want to see corruption just look how wealthily leaders are...
Putin (Russia) might be the richest man in the world...
Viktor Orbán (Hungry) is a favourite of the far right and he is worth €600m. He only worked in politics, explain that..

But don't need to go that far...
The GOP/Right is in the middle defund the IRS... The rich people's cops... The GOP has for years targeted people with not enough money for a lobbyists...

Ex-IRS whistleblower says middle class targeted under inflation bill

“The idea that they’re going to open things up and go after these big billionaires and large corporations is quite frankly bulls–t,” he said.

nypost.com

Secret IRS Files Reveal How Much the Ultrawealthy Gained by Shaping Trump’s “Big, Beautiful Tax Cut”

Billionaire business owners deployed lobbyists to make sure Trump’s 2017 tax bill was tailored to their benefit. Confidential IRS records show the windfall that followed.

www.propublica.org

This has been constant... GOP has been protecting this type of lobbying...

How Corporate Lobbyists Conquered American Democracy

Business didn't always have so much power in Washington.

www.theatlantic.com

"For every dollar spent on lobbying by labor unions and public-interest groups together, large corporations and their associations now spend $34. Of the 100 organizations that spend the most on lobbying, 95 consistently represent business."

Republicans block bill requiring dark money groups to reveal donors

Senate Republicans voted Thursday to block the consideration of a bill to promptly require organizations that spend money on elections to promptly disclose the identities of donors who give $10,000…

thehill.com

GOP Senators Halt Biden Effort to End Secret Political Donations

www.bloomberg.com

Pretty clear who likes the Gravy Train to continue...

 

[struth]

Again, that needs actual proof...

But Bolsonaro seems to be very lucky.... Look his family bought all of this property, they must have won the lottery...

Brazil's Bolsonaro rejects corruption claims as election looms

Jair Bolsonaro claims to be under media attack after a news site reported members of the president’s family bought 51 properties for $4.7M.

www.trtworld.com

Want to see corruption just look how wealthily leaders are...
Putin (Russia) might be the richest man in the world...
Viktor Orbán (Hungry) is a favourite of the far right and he is worth €600m. He only worked in politics, explain that..

But don't need to go that far...
The GOP/Right is in the middle defund the IRS... The rich people's cops... The GOP has for years targeted people with not enough money for a lobbyists...

Ex-IRS whistleblower says middle class targeted under inflation bill

“The idea that they’re going to open things up and go after these big billionaires and large corporations is quite frankly bulls–t,” he said.

nypost.com

Secret IRS Files Reveal How Much the Ultrawealthy Gained by Shaping Trump’s “Big, Beautiful Tax Cut”

Billionaire business owners deployed lobbyists to make sure Trump’s 2017 tax bill was tailored to their benefit. Confidential IRS records show the windfall that followed.

www.propublica.org

This has been constant... GOP has been protecting this type of lobbying...

How Corporate Lobbyists Conquered American Democracy

Business didn't always have so much power in Washington.

www.theatlantic.com

"For every dollar spent on lobbying by labor unions and public-interest groups together, large corporations and their associations now spend $34. Of the 100 organizations that spend the most on lobbying, 95 consistently represent business."

Republicans block bill requiring dark money groups to reveal donors

Senate Republicans voted Thursday to block the consideration of a bill to promptly require organizations that spend money on elections to promptly disclose the identities of donors who give $10,000…

thehill.com

GOP Senators Halt Biden Effort to End Secret Political Donations

www.bloomberg.com

Pretty clear who likes the Gravy Train to continue...

actual proof? read up on his wikipedia page, he’s a convict

yes they both are corrupt…leftist regimes typically are…like i said

 

[CowboyTed]

actual proof? read up on his wikipedia page, he’s a convict

yes they both are corrupt…leftist regimes typically are…like i said

Let's start by saying it is Brazil...
So there is a certain amount that is going to go on, so you have to tie corruption to him rather his admin..

What you have to look at his net worth... Lula is estimated to be $5m which seems acceptable considering he can make up to a $100k an event as speaker.

There is nothing on his Wiki to suggest he was personally corrupt... There was a very corrupt investigation into him which seemed very politically motivated since Bolsonaro promoted the corrupt judge to Minister of Justice...
The laugh was the corrupt Judge (Moro) said that Bolsonaro interferring in investigations was too much for him...

While the other guy has a lot more to answer for...

 

[basquebromance]

 

[struth]

Let's start by saying it is Brazil...
So there is a certain amount that is going to go on, so you have to tie corruption to him rather his admin..

What you have to look at his net worth... Lula is estimated to be $5m which seems acceptable considering he can make up to a $100k an event as speaker.

There is nothing on his Wiki to suggest he was personally corrupt... There was a very corrupt investigation into him which seemed very politically motivated since Bolsonaro promoted the corrupt judge to Minister of Justice...
The laugh was the corrupt Judge (Moro) said that Bolsonaro interferring in investigations was too much for him...

While the other guy has a lot more to answer for...

Yes, like I said, like most leftist regimes, it's corrupt. I don't care about his net worth....that isn't a sign of corruption per se.....but he's nonetheless corrupt.

Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Corruption scandals and controversy​

Mensalão​

Lula's administration was plagued by numerous corruption scandals,[82][83] notably the Mensalão scandal and Escândalo dos sanguessugas [pt] in his first term. Brazilian attorney general Álvaro Augusto Ribeiro Costa presented charges against 40 politicians and officials involved in the Mensalão affair, including several charges against Lula himself. Lula stated on Brazilian public television that he knew nothing about the scandals.[84] Top officials involved, such as Roberto Jefferson, José Dirceu, Luiz Gushiken and Humberto Costa have corroborated this; but one of his own party members, Arlindo Chinaglia, alleged that Lula had been warned about the matter.[85] Having lost numerous government aides in the face of political turmoil, Lula survived largely unscathed in the eyes of the public, with overwhelming approval rates.

Politicking​

His administration was heavily criticized for relying on local, right-of-centre political barons, like José Sarney, Jader Barbalho, Renan Calheiros and Fernando Collor to ensure a majority in Congress. Another frequent reproach was his ambiguous treatment of the left wing of the PT. Analysts felt that he would occasionally give in to left-wing calls for tighter government control on media and increased state intervention: in 2004, he pushed for the creation of a "Federal Council of Journalists" (CFJ) and a "National Cinema Agency" (Ancinav), the latter designed to overhaul funding for electronic communications. Both proposals ultimately failed amid concerns over the effect of state control on free speech.[86][87]

Statement on the Great Recession​

Before a G-20 summit in London in March 2009, Lula caused an uproar by declaring that the economic crisis was caused by "the irrational behavior of white people with blue eyes, who before seemed to know everything, and now have shown they don't know anything."[88]

Cesare Battisti​

When wanted Italian terrorist Cesare Battisti was arrested in Rio de Janeiro on 18 March 2007 by Brazilian and French police officers, Brazilian Minister of Justice Tarso Genro granted him status as a political refugee, a controversial decision which divided Italy and the Brazilian and international press. On 5 February 2009, the European Parliament adopted a resolution in support of Italy and held a minute's silence in memory of Battisti's victims. On 18 November 2009, the Brazilian Supreme Court declared the refugee status illegal and allowed Battisi's extradition, but also stated that the Brazilian constitution gave the president personal powers to deny the extradition if he chose to, effectively putting the final decision in the hands of Lula.[89] Lula barred Battisti's extradition.[90] On 31 December 2010, Lula's last day in office, the decision not to allow extradition was officially announced. Battisti was released on 9 June 2011 from prison after the Brazilian Constitutional Court denied Italy's request to extradite him. Italy planned to appeal to the International Court of Justice in The Hague.[91] Battisti was extradited in December 2018.[92]

Operation Car Wash: corruption investigation and prosecution​

Demonstrators gather in front of the Palácio do Planalto, the presidential palace, to protest against Lula's appointment as Chief of Staff of the Presidency, 16 March 2016.

Lula is sworn in as Chief of Staff by President Dilma Rousseff on 17 March 2016.
In 2014, Brazil began Operação Lava Jato (English: Operation Car Wash), resulting in several arrests and convictions, including nine suits against Lula.

In April 2015, the Public Ministry of Brazil opened an investigation into allegations of influence peddling by Lula, which alleged that between 2011 and 2014 he had lobbied for government contracts in foreign countries for the Odebrecht company and had also persuaded the Brazilian Development Bank to finance the projects in Ghana, Angola, Cuba, and the Dominican Republic.[93] In June 2015, Marcelo Odebrecht, president of Odebrecht, was arrested on charges that he had paid politicians $230 million in bribes.[94] Three other company executives were also arrested, as well as the chief executive of Andrade Gutierrez, another construction conglomerate.[95]

On 4 March 2016, as part of "Operation Car Wash", Brazilian authorities raided Lula's home.[96][97] After the raid, the police detained Lula for questioning.[98][99] A police statement alleged that Lula had collaborated in illegal bribes from the oil company Petrobras to benefit his political party and presidential campaign.[98] Prosecutor Carlos Fernando said, "The favors to Lula from big construction companies involved in the fraud at Petrobras were many and hard to quantify".[100] Lula said that he and his party were being politically persecuted.[101][102][103]

On 16 March 2016, Rousseff appointed Lula as her chief of staff, a position comparable to that of prime minister. This would have shielded him from arrest due to the immunity that went with the position.[104] Cabinet ministers in Brazil are among close to seven hundred senior government officials enjoying special judicial standing, which means they can only be tried by Brazil's Supreme Federal Court. Supreme Court Judge Gilmar Mendes suspended Lula da Silva's appointment on the grounds that Rousseff was trying to help Lula circumvent prosecution.[105][106]

On 14 September 2016, prosecutors filed corruption charges against Lula, accusing him of being the mastermind or 'maximum commander of the scheme'.[107] On 19 September 2016, 13th Circuit (Paraná) federal judge Sérgio Moro, who was leading the corruption probe, accepted an indictment for money laundering against Lula and his wife Marisa Leticia Lula da Silva. On 11 May 2017, Lula answered a summons by appearing in Curitiba and was questioned by Moro. The closed-court hearing lasted five hours. Thousands of Lula supporters went to Curitiba, together with Dilma Rousseff. After the hearing, Lula and Rousseff gave speeches to his supporters; Lula attacked what he called bias in the Brazilian media.[108]

Lula was found guilty by the lower court of accepting R$3.7 million in bribes ($1.2 million US) in the form of improvements to his beachfront house, made by construction company Grupo Metha [pt], which in turn received lucrative contracts from the state-owned oil company Petrobras.[109] Lula also faced other charges, including money laundering, influence peddling and obstruction of justice.[110][109] On 12 July 2017, Sergio Moro sentenced Lula to nine and a half years in prison.[111] Lula remained free pending his appeal.[112] Lula's lawyer accused the judge of bias and the judge replied that nobody, not even the former president, should be above the rule of law.[112]

On 25 January 2018, the Appeal Court of Porto Alegre found Lula guilty of corruption and money laundering and increased his sentence to 12 years of prison[113] for one of the nine charges, while the other eight were still pending. On 26 March 2018, that same court upheld its own sentence, thus ending the case in that court.[114]

On 23 March 2021, the Supreme Federal Court ruled by a 3–2 decision that Moro, who had overseen Lula's trial in a case, was biased against him.[26] It upheld the ruling on 23 June by a 7–4 decision.[115] Judge Gilmar Mendes of the Supreme Federal Court on 24 June annulled the two other cases Moro had brought against Lula, reasoning that there was a link between them and the case in which Moro was declared biased. This meant that all evidence Moro had collected against Lula is inadmissible in court and fresh trials would be needed.[116]

 

[SavannahMann]

There is no proof you'd accept and I doubt anyone cares to spend the time convincing you

That’s the problem. The CT folks don’t have proof. Months ago I took the challenge. I went through the database of all Fraud proof that was practically the signature line for the CT folks. In the end, after spending hours, I was able to take each claim and find where it had been disproven or debunked.

I spent hours reading. Hours doing searches. And I spent the time checking and double checking.

In Riverside County California the people who believe the Fraud reported 1,000 incidents of Fraud to investigators. From double voting to dead people voting. Actual investigators went and examined every claim. They poked the people with sticks and held mirrors under their noses to confirm they were actually alive.

In the incidents where “double voting” took place here is what happened. The voter filled out their absentee ballot and sent it in. Their own names and signatures. A couple weeks later another ballot arrived. They assumed that there was a problem with their first submission. They assumed a mistake had been made and they were told to do it over. So they filled out the ballot and resubmitted it. Only one ballot was ever counted.

Now. Having been told that I’ve made a mistake and had to do the form over again before. I consider that an honest mistake. And since the names were exactly the same and it wasn’t someone trying to get a ballot in their dogs name I don’t consider this fraud.

An honest mistake. If your wife asks where the keys are to the car and you say in the bowl by the door. Because you honestly believe the keys are there. That is a mistake. It isn’t a lie. It is a mistake. I tend to be forgiving for honest mistakes.

Out of a thousand claims, only one was found to be actual Fraud. That was a man who had registered in two locations using false birthdays to be able to vote twice.

Now that means the actual fraud to crime rate is .1%. Yes. You read that right. One tenth of a percent. That is virtually fraud free.

This goes with all the other complaints filed by CT nuts. A little smoke that is usually them rubbing their hands together.

 

[martybegan]

Idiotic comment...

Far Right doesn't like elections... Want to pick leaders by force now..

Oh, Hai there!

 

[Chillicothe]

"Don't be surprised to see physical beatings & even lynching's performed on the lefties in Brazil."

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


Or.....alternatively:

"Scores of rioters who assaulted Brazil’s Congress, presidential palace, and Supreme Court in the name of far-right former President Jair Bolsonaro on Sunday were escorted out of the buildings in handcuffs, television and social media footage showed. Brazil’s Federal District Military Police said in a statement that it had begun dispelling protesters after the hordes first breached the buildings, swarming security barriers and breaking glass. Those found to have committed “acts of vandalism”........

 

[CowboyTed]

Yes, like I said, like most leftist regimes, it's corrupt. I don't care about his net worth....that isn't a sign of corruption per se.....but he's nonetheless corrupt.

Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Corruption scandals and controversy​

Mensalão​

Lula's administration was plagued by numerous corruption scandals,[82][83] notably the Mensalão scandal and Escândalo dos sanguessugas [pt] in his first term. Brazilian attorney general Álvaro Augusto Ribeiro Costa presented charges against 40 politicians and officials involved in the Mensalão affair, including several charges against Lula himself. Lula stated on Brazilian public television that he knew nothing about the scandals.[84] Top officials involved, such as Roberto Jefferson, José Dirceu, Luiz Gushiken and Humberto Costa have corroborated this; but one of his own party members, Arlindo Chinaglia, alleged that Lula had been warned about the matter.[85] Having lost numerous government aides in the face of political turmoil, Lula survived largely unscathed in the eyes of the public, with overwhelming approval rates.

Politicking​

His administration was heavily criticized for relying on local, right-of-centre political barons, like José Sarney, Jader Barbalho, Renan Calheiros and Fernando Collor to ensure a majority in Congress. Another frequent reproach was his ambiguous treatment of the left wing of the PT. Analysts felt that he would occasionally give in to left-wing calls for tighter government control on media and increased state intervention: in 2004, he pushed for the creation of a "Federal Council of Journalists" (CFJ) and a "National Cinema Agency" (Ancinav), the latter designed to overhaul funding for electronic communications. Both proposals ultimately failed amid concerns over the effect of state control on free speech.[86][87]

Statement on the Great Recession​

Before a G-20 summit in London in March 2009, Lula caused an uproar by declaring that the economic crisis was caused by "the irrational behavior of white people with blue eyes, who before seemed to know everything, and now have shown they don't know anything."[88]

Cesare Battisti​

When wanted Italian terrorist Cesare Battisti was arrested in Rio de Janeiro on 18 March 2007 by Brazilian and French police officers, Brazilian Minister of Justice Tarso Genro granted him status as a political refugee, a controversial decision which divided Italy and the Brazilian and international press. On 5 February 2009, the European Parliament adopted a resolution in support of Italy and held a minute's silence in memory of Battisti's victims. On 18 November 2009, the Brazilian Supreme Court declared the refugee status illegal and allowed Battisi's extradition, but also stated that the Brazilian constitution gave the president personal powers to deny the extradition if he chose to, effectively putting the final decision in the hands of Lula.[89] Lula barred Battisti's extradition.[90] On 31 December 2010, Lula's last day in office, the decision not to allow extradition was officially announced. Battisti was released on 9 June 2011 from prison after the Brazilian Constitutional Court denied Italy's request to extradite him. Italy planned to appeal to the International Court of Justice in The Hague.[91] Battisti was extradited in December 2018.[92]

Operation Car Wash: corruption investigation and prosecution​

Demonstrators gather in front of the Palácio do Planalto, the presidential palace, to protest against Lula's appointment as Chief of Staff of the Presidency, 16 March 2016.

Lula is sworn in as Chief of Staff by President Dilma Rousseff on 17 March 2016.
In 2014, Brazil began Operação Lava Jato (English: Operation Car Wash), resulting in several arrests and convictions, including nine suits against Lula.

In April 2015, the Public Ministry of Brazil opened an investigation into allegations of influence peddling by Lula, which alleged that between 2011 and 2014 he had lobbied for government contracts in foreign countries for the Odebrecht company and had also persuaded the Brazilian Development Bank to finance the projects in Ghana, Angola, Cuba, and the Dominican Republic.[93] In June 2015, Marcelo Odebrecht, president of Odebrecht, was arrested on charges that he had paid politicians $230 million in bribes.[94] Three other company executives were also arrested, as well as the chief executive of Andrade Gutierrez, another construction conglomerate.[95]

On 4 March 2016, as part of "Operation Car Wash", Brazilian authorities raided Lula's home.[96][97] After the raid, the police detained Lula for questioning.[98][99] A police statement alleged that Lula had collaborated in illegal bribes from the oil company Petrobras to benefit his political party and presidential campaign.[98] Prosecutor Carlos Fernando said, "The favors to Lula from big construction companies involved in the fraud at Petrobras were many and hard to quantify".[100] Lula said that he and his party were being politically persecuted.[101][102][103]

On 16 March 2016, Rousseff appointed Lula as her chief of staff, a position comparable to that of prime minister. This would have shielded him from arrest due to the immunity that went with the position.[104] Cabinet ministers in Brazil are among close to seven hundred senior government officials enjoying special judicial standing, which means they can only be tried by Brazil's Supreme Federal Court. Supreme Court Judge Gilmar Mendes suspended Lula da Silva's appointment on the grounds that Rousseff was trying to help Lula circumvent prosecution.[105][106]

On 14 September 2016, prosecutors filed corruption charges against Lula, accusing him of being the mastermind or 'maximum commander of the scheme'.[107] On 19 September 2016, 13th Circuit (Paraná) federal judge Sérgio Moro, who was leading the corruption probe, accepted an indictment for money laundering against Lula and his wife Marisa Leticia Lula da Silva. On 11 May 2017, Lula answered a summons by appearing in Curitiba and was questioned by Moro. The closed-court hearing lasted five hours. Thousands of Lula supporters went to Curitiba, together with Dilma Rousseff. After the hearing, Lula and Rousseff gave speeches to his supporters; Lula attacked what he called bias in the Brazilian media.[108]

Lula was found guilty by the lower court of accepting R$3.7 million in bribes ($1.2 million US) in the form of improvements to his beachfront house, made by construction company Grupo Metha [pt], which in turn received lucrative contracts from the state-owned oil company Petrobras.[109] Lula also faced other charges, including money laundering, influence peddling and obstruction of justice.[110][109] On 12 July 2017, Sergio Moro sentenced Lula to nine and a half years in prison.[111] Lula remained free pending his appeal.[112] Lula's lawyer accused the judge of bias and the judge replied that nobody, not even the former president, should be above the rule of law.[112]

On 25 January 2018, the Appeal Court of Porto Alegre found Lula guilty of corruption and money laundering and increased his sentence to 12 years of prison[113] for one of the nine charges, while the other eight were still pending. On 26 March 2018, that same court upheld its own sentence, thus ending the case in that court.[114]

On 23 March 2021, the Supreme Federal Court ruled by a 3–2 decision that Moro, who had overseen Lula's trial in a case, was biased against him.[26] It upheld the ruling on 23 June by a 7–4 decision.[115] Judge Gilmar Mendes of the Supreme Federal Court on 24 June annulled the two other cases Moro had brought against Lula, reasoning that there was a link between them and the case in which Moro was declared biased. This meant that all evidence Moro had collected against Lula is inadmissible in court and fresh trials would be needed.[116]

First one happened under Lula very early on... Could be clearing house...

Second was about actually doing deals with the Right... That is not corruption it is politicking..

Third one is not Corruption...

Last one was a proven Corrupt Judge who was having private conversations with the prosecution during the trial... It was a highly corrupt and Bolsonaro promoted him...

I am not saying if Lula is guilty or innocent but all you have shown is that Bolsonaro is corrupt....

Read what you post and you will learn...

 

[Harpy Eagle]

These courageous people know how to take their country back. They're going to install their duly elected leader who was cheated out of office.

You cannot do it because you all are a bunch of pussies that do nothing but whine and talk about doing things on the internet

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Sounds like trump coached Bolsonaro.

There is ome debate about extraditing Bolsonaro back to Brazil to account for his crimes.. The US has enough insurrectionists without giving comfort to that nazi.

 

[Ringo]

When your country poses a threat to US hegemony, "protests" tends to happen in your country.

 

[struth]

First one happened under Lula very early on... Could be clearing house...

Second was about actually doing deals with the Right... That is not corruption it is politicking..

Third one is not Corruption...

Last one was a proven Corrupt Judge who was having private conversations with the prosecution during the trial... It was a highly corrupt and Bolsonaro promoted him...

I am not saying if Lula is guilty or innocent but all you have shown is that Bolsonaro is corrupt....

Read what you post and you will learn...

they are both corrupt…”leftist regimes all are