Boehner walks away from debt talks

[WillowTree]

John Boehner walked out because Obama changed the deal minutes before it was going to be reached. So quit blaming the right when it was OBAMA who went back on his word.. Oh yeah he always does

Honey. the low intelligent left will NEVAAH EVAH quit blaming the right.. see? they and responsiblility ain't nevaaaah met.

 

[Salt Jones]

The Tea Party can succeed in 16 months by helping elect a president who will not veto necessary reforms. To achieve that, however, Tea Partyers must not help the incumbent achieve his objectives in the debt-ceiling dispute.

So could it be it's not really the offer but who is trying to make it?

Patience, Tea Partyers: Time is on your side - The Washington Post

But tea party politicians don't play politics.

 

[Chris]

Obama offered to cut the middle class programs of Social Security and Medicare in exchange for eliminating tax loopholes for oil companies and the rich.....Boehner refused.

The Republicans will defend the oil companies and the wealthy to the DEATH!

 

[Liability]

Obama offered to cut the middle class programs of Social Security and Medicare in exchange for eliminating tax loopholes for oil companies and the rich.....Boehner refused.

The Republicans will defend the oil companies and the wealthy to the DEATH!

The President's "offer" is, as all of his offers have been, phony.

The "middle class" rhetoric should by now just wither and die already.

The class warfare divide and conquer efforts of you tax and spend crazy liberals is no longer persuasive.

Cutting the cost of Social Security and Medicare is simply necessary if those programs are going to survive. So making that an offer as part of deal for yet MORE taxation is hollow. If it HAS to be done anyway, then there are no need for any strings and no rational reason to agree to that silly quid pro quo.

Boehner was right.

And if the government is going to finally LEARN to live within its means, then there is no reason for nay new taxes. Corporations (oil companies or otherwise) don't PAY taxes. They pass it along as a cost to consumers. The reason the President and the ******* libs in Congress want to raise the debt limit and raise taxes is because they remain ADDICTED to spending.

******* ENOUGH already.

EVERY ******* time President Obama gets up on his socialist stump to preach the gospel of "going after" the greedy evil "rich" folks and companies, intelligent people should learn that what he's REALLY suggesting is something very different. He's suggesting that we should all pay more at the pump and at the checkout lines.

**** him. He's a damn imbecile.

Boehner was right.

I don't know that Boehner has the stones to stay the course, but so far on this point he has been quite correct.

 

[Trajan]

You sure you understand how insurance works?

for god sakes....


actually no, I think I do; I know that when I die my life insurance policy I have pays my wife the benefit, outside anything she gets form anywhere else incl. her own SS........so go figure it out....or

That's because it's life insurance. SS is not life insurance. It's retirement insurance. Insurance pays you when you become eligible to collect. If you drop dead before you retire, you're not going to collect retirement insurance. Duh! If your house never burns down, you don't collect fire insurance benefits. If you never go to the doctor you don't get health insurance benefits.

Need I go on?

what a perfect exampled of sheeple thinking, new deal or bust eh? thats how completely owned you are by the sheeple Democratic party new deal crotch rot.well guess what? the bust is here, if ss had been run on a true pool system we would not be contemplating its bust out.

I pay all my lie into a 'retirement' system INVOLUNTARILY btw, as I pay VOLUNTARILY into my life ins. BUT, the gov. decides that my earnings, that I built up don't get passed on to my survivor because?

they are just as much MINE as the premiums I pay into an insurance policy.

I pay all my like into 'retirement' system INVOLUNTARILY btw, as I pay VOLUNTARILY into my life ins. BUT, the gov. decides that my earnings, that I built up don't get passed on to my survivor because?

You love the health-care mandate, how about this, It appears to me that f the gov. had just MANDATED policy to a private carrier say NY Life etc. we would be in infinitely better shape individually and as a country. You DO know that there are financial instruments for instance a whole life ins policy has an IRR, Internal Rate of Return right?

One of my policies has beat the s&p 500 over the last 8 years....so tell me oh wise one, whats the rate or return on SSI? AND it all goes away to the gov. coffers if you die at ages where in you never get back what you put in.

they are just as much MINE as the premiums I pay into an insurance policy.

However- just as with medicare the GOVERNMENT doesn't want that money to pass by their hot little hands, IF the citizenry had invested in a whole life policy instead of sending their 6% and change to fica and the employer had sent their half to the policy guess what?


it appears to me that free market mechanisms NOT the new deal actually takes care of people in this context.....because, here ya go

After 2022, trust fund assets will be redeemed in amounts that exceed interest earnings until trust fund reserves are exhausted in 2036, one year earlier than was projected last year. Trustees Report Summary

ands that changes due to the economy and lack of fica revenue....whoooops.

Meanwhile I will be collect on the 4 policies my wife and I have...you however can enjoy your soma and the dog food, Alpo or kibbles and bits?

Need I go on?

 

[Trajan]

That is an amusingly puzzling comment, since the bill was in fact introduced by REPUBLICAN Dave Camp, chairman of the House Ways and Means committee.

you made comments in past as to the rep.s for example sending the cut cap and trade bill up and knowing it was useless, that the senate would kill it, thats why I posted that.

you appear to forget the positions you take becasue, you change your positions so often to fit your own past comments so as to make yourself right in every context- epic fail.

Are you an asshole by nature or nurture?

hey, it is what it is, don't blame me becasue you talk out of 3 sides of your head. thats your gig homer.

 

[Trajan]

Are you an asshole by nature or nurture?

Can't it be both (as it does appear).

bookmark this post.

 

[NYcarbineer]

for god sakes....


actually no, I think I do; I know that when I die my life insurance policy I have pays my wife the benefit, outside anything she gets form anywhere else incl. her own SS........so go figure it out....or

That's because it's life insurance. SS is not life insurance. It's retirement insurance. Insurance pays you when you become eligible to collect. If you drop dead before you retire, you're not going to collect retirement insurance. Duh! If your house never burns down, you don't collect fire insurance benefits. If you never go to the doctor you don't get health insurance benefits.

Need I go on?

what a perfect exampled of sheeple thinking, new deal or bust eh? thats how completely owned you are by the sheeple Democratic party new deal crotch rot.well guess what? the bust is here, if ss had been run on a true pool system we would not be contemplating its bust out.

I pay all my lie into a 'retirement' system INVOLUNTARILY btw, as I pay VOLUNTARILY into my life ins. BUT, the gov. decides that my earnings, that I built up don't get passed on to my survivor because?

they are just as much MINE as the premiums I pay into an insurance policy.

I pay all my like into 'retirement' system INVOLUNTARILY btw, as I pay VOLUNTARILY into my life ins. BUT, the gov. decides that my earnings, that I built up don't get passed on to my survivor because?

You love the health-care mandate, how about this, It appears to me that f the gov. had just MANDATED policy to a private carrier say NY Life etc. we would be in infinitely better shape individually and as a country. You DO know that there are financial instruments for instance a whole life ins policy has an IRR, Internal Rate of Return right?

One of my policies has beat the s&p 500 over the last 8 years....so tell me oh wise one, whats the rate or return on SSI? AND it all goes away to the gov. coffers if you die at ages where in you never get back what you put in.

they are just as much MINE as the premiums I pay into an insurance policy.

However- just as with medicare the GOVERNMENT doesn't want that money to pass by their hot little hands, IF the citizenry had invested in a whole life policy instead of sending their 6% and change to fica and the employer had sent their half to the policy guess what?


it appears to me that free market mechanisms NOT the new deal actually takes care of people in this context.....because, here ya go

After 2022, trust fund assets will be redeemed in amounts that exceed interest earnings until trust fund reserves are exhausted in 2036, one year earlier than was projected last year. Trustees Report Summary

ands that changes due to the economy and lack of fica revenue....whoooops.

Meanwhile I will be collect on the 4 policies my wife and I have...you however can enjoy your soma and the dog food, Alpo or kibbles and bits?

Need I go on?

How much are you leeching off the system in child tax credits?

SS is involuntary and that's your big *****? I'll make your SS tax voluntary, you make the portion of my tax that goes to defense voluntary (I'll pay half of it because that's about what we need).

 

[NYcarbineer]

you made comments in past as to the rep.s for example sending the cut cap and trade bill up and knowing it was useless, that the senate would kill it, thats why I posted that.

you appear to forget the positions you take becasue, you change your positions so often to fit your own past comments so as to make yourself right in every context- epic fail.

Are you an asshole by nature or nurture?

hey, it is what it is, don't blame me becasue you talk out of 3 sides of your head. thats your gig homer.

You got a-holed because you once again lied about what I said. I didn't make any judgment of debt ceiling vote in May, I simply proved it happened to the poster who didn't believe it.

 

[Trajan]

Are you an asshole by nature or nurture?

hey, it is what it is, don't blame me becasue you talk out of 3 sides of your head. thats your gig homer.

You got a-holed because you once again lied about what I said. I didn't make any judgment of debt ceiling vote in May, I simply proved it happened to the poster who didn't believe it.

I never lied, you just have a complete lack of a) consistency which leads to b) forgetting what you are even responding to and not following the train of debate.

you have a) argued in the past that majorities don't mean shit, UNTIL it now become convenient, in which you argue that because the dems have the presidency and senate the house should knuckle under,

b) you have argued in past that the house sent a useless bill they knew was dead on arrival to the senate for a vote, now, faced with same, a symbolic vote for a naked debt ceiling bill...whoops....you began as usual obfuscating when caught up in using an example of something you disparaged, because, you make up your positions as you go long for the most part....

 

[Trajan]

That's because it's life insurance. SS is not life insurance. It's retirement insurance. Insurance pays you when you become eligible to collect. If you drop dead before you retire, you're not going to collect retirement insurance. Duh! If your house never burns down, you don't collect fire insurance benefits. If you never go to the doctor you don't get health insurance benefits.

Need I go on?

what a perfect exampled of sheeple thinking, new deal or bust eh? thats how completely owned you are by the sheeple Democratic party new deal crotch rot.well guess what? the bust is here, if ss had been run on a true pool system we would not be contemplating its bust out.

I pay all my lie into a 'retirement' system INVOLUNTARILY btw, as I pay VOLUNTARILY into my life ins. BUT, the gov. decides that my earnings, that I built up don't get passed on to my survivor because?

they are just as much MINE as the premiums I pay into an insurance policy.

I pay all my like into 'retirement' system INVOLUNTARILY btw, as I pay VOLUNTARILY into my life ins. BUT, the gov. decides that my earnings, that I built up don't get passed on to my survivor because?

You love the health-care mandate, how about this, It appears to me that f the gov. had just MANDATED policy to a private carrier say NY Life etc. we would be in infinitely better shape individually and as a country. You DO know that there are financial instruments for instance a whole life ins policy has an IRR, Internal Rate of Return right?

One of my policies has beat the s&p 500 over the last 8 years....so tell me oh wise one, whats the rate or return on SSI? AND it all goes away to the gov. coffers if you die at ages where in you never get back what you put in.

they are just as much MINE as the premiums I pay into an insurance policy.

However- just as with medicare the GOVERNMENT doesn't want that money to pass by their hot little hands, IF the citizenry had invested in a whole life policy instead of sending their 6% and change to fica and the employer had sent their half to the policy guess what?


it appears to me that free market mechanisms NOT the new deal actually takes care of people in this context.....because, here ya go

After 2022, trust fund assets will be redeemed in amounts that exceed interest earnings until trust fund reserves are exhausted in 2036, one year earlier than was projected last year. Trustees Report Summary

ands that changes due to the economy and lack of fica revenue....whoooops.

Meanwhile I will be collect on the 4 policies my wife and I have...you however can enjoy your soma and the dog food, Alpo or kibbles and bits?

Need I go on?

How much are you leeching off the system in child tax credits?

SS is involuntary and that's your big *****? I'll make your SS tax voluntary, you make the portion of my tax that goes to defense voluntary (I'll pay half of it because that's about what we need).

your analogy is not apt, at all.....for god sakes dude...

 

[saveliberty]

So you admit Obama changed the offer to an even MORE difficult position. How is Boehner making his offer even more unacceptable to Democrats moving the discussion forward?

It's easy...Boehner could have said, if you want to put 400 billion in revenues on the table, then lets make some additional spending cuts to balance the deal.

And you just admitted that the Democrats have compromised a ton with your statement.

No, I said more unacceptable.

 

[AmericanFirst]

John Boehner walks away from debt talks - Political Hotsheet - CBS News

President Obama is speaking now.

If obamaturd is speaking he is surely lying.

 

[Ame®icano]

Bullshit.

It's just good policy.

I guess making everyone buy car insurance is "fascist" too?

You libtards need to stop using the car insurence as an argument.

According to some state governments that require it, call it finical responsibility. The government does not require you to have collision if you have an accident, you are required to have Liability in case you are the one who has been found at fault.
\Plus car insurance is not forced on those who do not have a car.

Nice try, but making people buy health insurance is just good policy, not facism.

It's truth. Progressives just loved all those Mussolini's "good policies".

 

[Ame®icano]

Time is running out on Boehner.

If he can't control the idiots in the Tea Party, we are in trouble.

The worse started when Marxist stepped in the Oval office.

 

[Ame®icano]

Why can't SS checks be funded with the TRUST FUND in the LOCK BOX?

The "LOCK BOX" is filled with IOUs.
Congress loves to rob SS to pay for pet projects.

Social security invests in treasury bills in order to collect INTEREST. Like anyone else who buys treasuries does, including, probably, any private employer pension plan.

They should've invested in Google, Apple or Exon...

 

[bigrebnc1775]

if we can't repay 14 trillion thanks to obama how can we repay 16 trillion?

What the **** are you even talking about? Most all of the debt was already there when Obama took office. What are you going to blame on him next? 9-11? Pearl Harbor? The fact you were born missing a large portion of your head?

Most of the debt was already there? Who signed the bill for the 14 trillion dollar debt?

I ask again

if we can't repay 14 trillion thanks to obama how can we repay 16 trillion?

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Not raising the debt ceiling will be more devastating over the long run for other nations outside of the United States. The slight possibility that it won't get done this time round means that other markets around the world will go in free-fall mode, along with the US, but expect the US to get out of it a lot quicker than the rest.

How? Its OUR currency that will fail.

You didn't know that gitner was trying his damndest to devalue the dollar even with out raising the debt ceiling?

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Geithner has developed into the Most Transparent member of the Obama Administration.

He also recently admitted that the debt ceiling needed to be raised to prevent government from shrinking.

the Obama administration believes taxes on small business must increase so the administration does not have to “shrink the overall size of government programs.”

Read more: Geithner: Taxes on Small Business Must Rise So Government Doesn’t Shrink | Vision to America

 

[NYcarbineer]

what a perfect exampled of sheeple thinking, new deal or bust eh? thats how completely owned you are by the sheeple Democratic party new deal crotch rot.well guess what? the bust is here, if ss had been run on a true pool system we would not be contemplating its bust out.

I pay all my lie into a 'retirement' system INVOLUNTARILY btw, as I pay VOLUNTARILY into my life ins. BUT, the gov. decides that my earnings, that I built up don't get passed on to my survivor because?

they are just as much MINE as the premiums I pay into an insurance policy.

I pay all my like into 'retirement' system INVOLUNTARILY btw, as I pay VOLUNTARILY into my life ins. BUT, the gov. decides that my earnings, that I built up don't get passed on to my survivor because?

You love the health-care mandate, how about this, It appears to me that f the gov. had just MANDATED policy to a private carrier say NY Life etc. we would be in infinitely better shape individually and as a country. You DO know that there are financial instruments for instance a whole life ins policy has an IRR, Internal Rate of Return right?

One of my policies has beat the s&p 500 over the last 8 years....so tell me oh wise one, whats the rate or return on SSI? AND it all goes away to the gov. coffers if you die at ages where in you never get back what you put in.

they are just as much MINE as the premiums I pay into an insurance policy.

However- just as with medicare the GOVERNMENT doesn't want that money to pass by their hot little hands, IF the citizenry had invested in a whole life policy instead of sending their 6% and change to fica and the employer had sent their half to the policy guess what?


it appears to me that free market mechanisms NOT the new deal actually takes care of people in this context.....because, here ya go

After 2022, trust fund assets will be redeemed in amounts that exceed interest earnings until trust fund reserves are exhausted in 2036, one year earlier than was projected last year. Trustees Report Summary

ands that changes due to the economy and lack of fica revenue....whoooops.

Meanwhile I will be collect on the 4 policies my wife and I have...you however can enjoy your soma and the dog food, Alpo or kibbles and bits?

Need I go on?

How much are you leeching off the system in child tax credits?

SS is involuntary and that's your big *****? I'll make your SS tax voluntary, you make the portion of my tax that goes to defense voluntary (I'll pay half of it because that's about what we need).

your analogy is not apt, at all.....for god sakes dude...

Why? Social Security is what it is by the same process that defense spending, and the taxation for it, is. Both are involuntary.

Oh, and the question, how much do you deduct in child tax credits?