Bodycam shows white cop fatally shooting fleeing black dude

[Lonestar_logic]

And as you yourself posted above -- how come, if this is a stop to corral such a dangerous gun-toting thug -- this officer takes him on alone? Does that strike you as a little odd? Well, me too. You can see and hear after the shooting, the cop's standing there trying to control a crowd and hold off a perp he doesn't yet know is disabled (could be playing possum) -- with an empty gun, desperately calling for backup to "step it up". If the perp is still alive and armed, or if someone else is -- he's a sitting duck. And he knows it.

The officer is a control freak like so many are and cares more about control than their life.

When confronting a man with a gun it is wise to be in control of the situation. Besides, that is their job.

I do understand that concept is hard for a liberal like yourself to comprehend. You like all the other libs need and like to be controlled. That's why you're referred to as "sheeple".

 

[bucs90]

Again...what if the thug killed the girl while the cop waited? His job is to protect her. He did. The thug chose to make it deadly.

 

[Papageorgio]

And as you yourself posted above -- how come, if this is a stop to corral such a dangerous gun-toting thug -- this officer takes him on alone? Does that strike you as a little odd? Well, me too. You can see and hear after the shooting, the cop's standing there trying to control a crowd and hold off a perp he doesn't yet know is disabled (could be playing possum) -- with an empty gun, desperately calling for backup to "step it up". If the perp is still alive and armed, or if someone else is -- he's a sitting duck. And he knows it.

The officer is a control freak like so many are and cares more about control than their life.

When confronting a man with a gun it is wise to be in control of the situation. Besides, that is their job.

I do understand that concept is hard for a liberal like yourself to comprehend. You like all the other libs need and like to be controlled. That's why you're referred to as "sheeple".

If an officer goes on a call, he has no idea what he is walking into. It is a domestic violence call, which is absolutely the most dangerous call a police officer can go on, he gets there, the guy has a gun. The officer, for the protection of everyone, needs to take control of the situation, otherwise his life is in danger, you don't sacrifice yourself when going out on these calls.

As far as some idiot calling police officers control freaks? That is one of the dumbest statements ever uttered. Lives can depend on them taking control, especially innocent lives, those they are sworn to protect.

 

[DigitalDrifter]

And that's why I keep raising the question -- if this kid is thought to be so dangerous, and armed, what the hell is McMillin doing accosting him alone?

I don't know. Did they have a report that he was armed? I still don't know if it was a celphone or gun; but the cop was pretty adamant that it was a gun and he called it a gun in the video on several occasions while knowing that they were being filmed. And no other officer refuted that. But why was he alone when it seemed the whole damn police department was there in about two to three minutes? That's a fair question. I'm not saying he broke protocol. But it seems shortsighted.

Right, that's my point. Actually it was the OP's point but he never came back to defend it.

Cops confront dangerous people alone all the time. Its why the job is hard. But most times it doesn't go bad.

If they sent multiple officers to every dangerous call...they'd never catch up on calls.

Muskogee is a rural town of 39K people. I can't imagine that they get that many calls involving death threats. Sending only one officer (when there were clearly many on duty) was shortsighted.

That's what is surprising to me. Where I live if there are reports of a threat with a gun involved, several officers would be showing up.

 

[TheGreatGatsby]

And that's why I keep raising the question -- if this kid is thought to be so dangerous, and armed, what the hell is McMillin doing accosting him alone?

I don't know. Did they have a report that he was armed? I still don't know if it was a celphone or gun; but the cop was pretty adamant that it was a gun and he called it a gun in the video on several occasions while knowing that they were being filmed. And no other officer refuted that. But why was he alone when it seemed the whole damn police department was there in about two to three minutes? That's a fair question. I'm not saying he broke protocol. But it seems shortsighted.

Right, that's my point. Actually it was the OP's point but he never came back to defend it.

Cops confront dangerous people alone all the time. Its why the job is hard. But most times it doesn't go bad.

If they sent multiple officers to every dangerous call...they'd never catch up on calls.

Muskogee is a rural town of 39K people. I can't imagine that they get that many calls involving death threats. Sending only one officer (when there were clearly many on duty) was shortsighted.

Ok. Ill play.

Lets say they did send two. But the other was coming from several miles away...or they were busy on other calls.

The thug was at the event looking for his ex. He had a gun. He threatened her.

How long should the cop wait? What if he waits 5 minutes...and in that 5 minutes the thug kills the girl?

What if an armed man broke into your home. And you called. The man is in your home as you and your family wait. And you find out a cop is outside....but refuses to come inside until back-up arrives?

Cops rarely work like that.

Well, that's the thing. Did you see all those officers there within minutes? Clearly, it wasn't going to be a 5 minute wait for one thing. But let me get one thing clear, I'm not accusing the department or the officer of doing anything wrong. I'm just monday morning quarterbacking. I do think that this quite possibly could have been avoided.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

I don't know. Did they have a report that he was armed? I still don't know if it was a celphone or gun; but the cop was pretty adamant that it was a gun and he called it a gun in the video on several occasions while knowing that they were being filmed. And no other officer refuted that. But why was he alone when it seemed the whole damn police department was there in about two to three minutes? That's a fair question. I'm not saying he broke protocol. But it seems shortsighted.

Right, that's my point. Actually it was the OP's point but he never came back to defend it.

Cops confront dangerous people alone all the time. Its why the job is hard. But most times it doesn't go bad.

If they sent multiple officers to every dangerous call...they'd never catch up on calls.

Muskogee is a rural town of 39K people. I can't imagine that they get that many calls involving death threats. Sending only one officer (when there were clearly many on duty) was shortsighted.

Ok. Ill play.

Lets say they did send two. But the other was coming from several miles away...or they were busy on other calls.

The thug was at the event looking for his ex. He had a gun. He threatened her.

How long should the cop wait? What if he waits 5 minutes...and in that 5 minutes the thug kills the girl?

What if an armed man broke into your home. And you called. The man is in your home as you and your family wait. And you find out a cop is outside....but refuses to come inside until back-up arrives?

Cops rarely work like that.

Well, that's the thing. Did you see all those officers there within minutes? Clearly, it wasn't going to be a 5 minute wait for one thing. But let me get one thing clear, I'm not accusing the department or the officer of doing anything wrong. I'm just monday morning quarterbacking. I do think that this quite possibly could have been avoided.

Yes it could have if the man would have simply complied with the officer.

 

[TheGreatGatsby]

And that's why I keep raising the question -- if this kid is thought to be so dangerous, and armed, what the hell is McMillin doing accosting him alone?

I don't know. Did they have a report that he was armed? I still don't know if it was a celphone or gun; but the cop was pretty adamant that it was a gun and he called it a gun in the video on several occasions while knowing that they were being filmed. And no other officer refuted that. But why was he alone when it seemed the whole damn police department was there in about two to three minutes? That's a fair question. I'm not saying he broke protocol. But it seems shortsighted.

Right, that's my point. Actually it was the OP's point but he never came back to defend it.

Cops confront dangerous people alone all the time. Its why the job is hard. But most times it doesn't go bad.

If they sent multiple officers to every dangerous call...they'd never catch up on calls.

Muskogee is a rural town of 39K people. I can't imagine that they get that many calls involving death threats. Sending only one officer (when there were clearly many on duty) was shortsighted.

That's what is surprising to me. Where I live if there are reports of a threat with a gun involved, several officers would be showing up.

Was the gun reported? I had only heard that he had made death threats upon his gf's life.

 

[TheGreatGatsby]

Yes it could have if the man would have simply complied with the officer.

The man was a moron who deserves more than enough blame for his own death. But I'm speaking in more humanistic terms. If you can avoid what is ultimately a tragic death, would you not want to do it?

Of course, I'm not gonna cry too much that a thug got popped. Some people might compare this to eradicating a cancer....

 

[Lonestar_logic]

Yes it could have if the man would have simply complied with the officer.

The man was a moron who deserves more than enough blame for his own death. But I'm speaking in more humanistic terms. If you can avoid what is ultimately a tragic death, would you not want to do it?

Of course, I'm not gonna cry too much that a thug got popped. Some people might compare this to eradicating a cancer....

When you face a man with a gun you can take all the time you want to figure out his intentions. But it may be too late.

Avoiding a tragic death is exactly what the officer did.

 

[TheGreatGatsby]

Yes it could have if the man would have simply complied with the officer.

The man was a moron who deserves more than enough blame for his own death. But I'm speaking in more humanistic terms. If you can avoid what is ultimately a tragic death, would you not want to do it?

Of course, I'm not gonna cry too much that a thug got popped. Some people might compare this to eradicating a cancer....

When you face a man with a gun you can take all the time you want to figure out his intentions. But it may be too late.

Avoiding a tragic death is exactly what the officer did.

Dude...maybe, you haven't read my prior posts. I'm not debating whether the officer should have shot. I was regarding the possible shortsightedness of police procedure. Sending a lone officer into this situation when there was more than enough other officers seems foolhearty.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

Yes it could have if the man would have simply complied with the officer.

The man was a moron who deserves more than enough blame for his own death. But I'm speaking in more humanistic terms. If you can avoid what is ultimately a tragic death, would you not want to do it?

Of course, I'm not gonna cry too much that a thug got popped. Some people might compare this to eradicating a cancer....

When you face a man with a gun you can take all the time you want to figure out his intentions. But it may be too late.

Avoiding a tragic death is exactly what the officer did.

Dude...maybe, you haven't read my prior posts. I'm not debating whether the officer should have shot. I was regarding the possible shortsightedness of police procedure. Sending a lone officer into this situation when there was more than enough other officers seems foolhearty.

Dude, your assuming the officer knew what the situation was before he got there. The cop had no idea the man was going to run or the man was armed until the moment he saw the gun.

Are you saying he should have waited for back-up? Which would give the criminal time to car jack someone to make his escape or worse take aim and shoot the officer?

Look at the video! The officer had mere seconds to react to the situation. He done his job and he did it well.

 

[TheGreatGatsby]

Yes it could have if the man would have simply complied with the officer.

The man was a moron who deserves more than enough blame for his own death. But I'm speaking in more humanistic terms. If you can avoid what is ultimately a tragic death, would you not want to do it?

Of course, I'm not gonna cry too much that a thug got popped. Some people might compare this to eradicating a cancer....

When you face a man with a gun you can take all the time you want to figure out his intentions. But it may be too late.

Avoiding a tragic death is exactly what the officer did.

Dude...maybe, you haven't read my prior posts. I'm not debating whether the officer should have shot. I was regarding the possible shortsightedness of police procedure. Sending a lone officer into this situation when there was more than enough other officers seems foolhearty.

Dude, your assuming the officer knew what the situation was before he got there. The cop had no idea the man was going to run or the man was armed until the moment he saw the gun.

Are you saying he should have waited for back-up? Which would give the criminal time to car jack someone to make his escape or worse take aim and shoot the officer?

Look at the video! The officer had mere seconds to react to the situation. He done his job and he did it well.

He knew that the guy had threatened to kill his gf. I haven't read whether he knew of a reported gun or not. So, yes it was a serious complaint; and he should have waited for back-up short of a compelling reason to go it alone right away. He can surveil the guy in the interim. There appeared to be no shortage of officers....

And then you keep arguing stuff that isn't what's being argued. Are you tone deaf? I've already said the officer was justified in shooting in many posts and then directly to you. There's no need to beat this dead horse: "Look at the video! The officer had mere seconds to react to the situation. He done his job and he did it well."

 

[Lonestar_logic]

Yes it could have if the man would have simply complied with the officer.

The man was a moron who deserves more than enough blame for his own death. But I'm speaking in more humanistic terms. If you can avoid what is ultimately a tragic death, would you not want to do it?

Of course, I'm not gonna cry too much that a thug got popped. Some people might compare this to eradicating a cancer....

When you face a man with a gun you can take all the time you want to figure out his intentions. But it may be too late.

Avoiding a tragic death is exactly what the officer did.

Dude...maybe, you haven't read my prior posts. I'm not debating whether the officer should have shot. I was regarding the possible shortsightedness of police procedure. Sending a lone officer into this situation when there was more than enough other officers seems foolhearty.

Dude, your assuming the officer knew what the situation was before he got there. The cop had no idea the man was going to run or the man was armed until the moment he saw the gun.

Are you saying he should have waited for back-up? Which would give the criminal time to car jack someone to make his escape or worse take aim and shoot the officer?

Look at the video! The officer had mere seconds to react to the situation. He done his job and he did it well.

He knew that the guy had threatened to kill his gf. I haven't read whether he knew of a reported gun or not. So, yes it was a serious complaint; and he should have waited for back-up short of a compelling reason to go it alone right away. He can surveil the guy in the interim. There appeared to be no shortage of officers....

And then you keep arguing stuff that isn't what's being argued. Are you tone deaf? I've already said the officer was justified in shooting in many posts and then directly to you. There's no need to beat this dead horse: "Look at the video! The officer had mere seconds to react to the situation. He done his job and he did it well."

Why do you insist on second guessing the cops actions?

What law enforcement experience do you have?

How many domestic disturbance calls have you been on?

What makes you think that two or ten more cops would have made any difference?

If someone is in fact threatening another person's life, time is of the essence, waiting may have gotten the gf killed or ended up in a hostage situation where other lives may have been in danger.

But second guessing and all the would have's and could have's is utter bullshit.

What's done is done. The shoot was legit.

Deal with it and stop trying to find fault with the police where none exist.

 

[bucs90]

Yes it could have if the man would have simply complied with the officer.

The man was a moron who deserves more than enough blame for his own death. But I'm speaking in more humanistic terms. If you can avoid what is ultimately a tragic death, would you not want to do it?

Of course, I'm not gonna cry too much that a thug got popped. Some people might compare this to eradicating a cancer....

When you face a man with a gun you can take all the time you want to figure out his intentions. But it may be too late.

Avoiding a tragic death is exactly what the officer did.

Dude...maybe, you haven't read my prior posts. I'm not debating whether the officer should have shot. I was regarding the possible shortsightedness of police procedure. Sending a lone officer into this situation when there was more than enough other officers seems foolhearty.

Dude, your assuming the officer knew what the situation was before he got there. The cop had no idea the man was going to run or the man was armed until the moment he saw the gun.

Are you saying he should have waited for back-up? Which would give the criminal time to car jack someone to make his escape or worse take aim and shoot the officer?

Look at the video! The officer had mere seconds to react to the situation. He done his job and he did it well.

He knew that the guy had threatened to kill his gf. I haven't read whether he knew of a reported gun or not. So, yes it was a serious complaint; and he should have waited for back-up short of a compelling reason to go it alone right away. He can surveil the guy in the interim. There appeared to be no shortage of officers....

And then you keep arguing stuff that isn't what's being argued. Are you tone deaf? I've already said the officer was justified in shooting in many posts and then directly to you. There's no need to beat this dead horse: "Look at the video! The officer had mere seconds to react to the situation. He done his job and he did it well."

Cops go to countless calls of "Joe Blow threatened me". Most are exaggerating. This time it wasnt.

And thats why he didnt wait. Because the call was either very serious (meaning the thug may kill her while the cop waits).....or it wasnt which most arent and thats why cops just go handle it.

Cop haters just HAVE to have something to criticize.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

And that's why I keep raising the question -- if this kid is thought to be so dangerous, and armed, what the hell is McMillin doing accosting him alone?

I don't know. Did they have a report that he was armed? I still don't know if it was a celphone or gun; but the cop was pretty adamant that it was a gun and he called it a gun in the video on several occasions while knowing that they were being filmed. And no other officer refuted that. But why was he alone when it seemed the whole damn police department was there in about two to three minutes? That's a fair question. I'm not saying he broke protocol. But it seems shortsighted.

Right, that's my point. Actually it was the OP's point but he never came back to defend it.

Cops confront dangerous people alone all the time. Its why the job is hard. But most times it doesn't go bad.

If they sent multiple officers to every dangerous call...they'd never catch up on calls.

Muskogee is a rural town of 39K people. I can't imagine that they get that many calls involving death threats. Sending only one officer (when there were clearly many on duty) was shortsighted.

In a town of 39k how many cops do you think they can keep on the payroll?

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

The man was a moron who deserves more than enough blame for his own death. But I'm speaking in more humanistic terms. If you can avoid what is ultimately a tragic death, would you not want to do it?

Of course, I'm not gonna cry too much that a thug got popped. Some people might compare this to eradicating a cancer....

When you face a man with a gun you can take all the time you want to figure out his intentions. But it may be too late.

Avoiding a tragic death is exactly what the officer did.

Dude...maybe, you haven't read my prior posts. I'm not debating whether the officer should have shot. I was regarding the possible shortsightedness of police procedure. Sending a lone officer into this situation when there was more than enough other officers seems foolhearty.

Dude, your assuming the officer knew what the situation was before he got there. The cop had no idea the man was going to run or the man was armed until the moment he saw the gun.

Are you saying he should have waited for back-up? Which would give the criminal time to car jack someone to make his escape or worse take aim and shoot the officer?

Look at the video! The officer had mere seconds to react to the situation. He done his job and he did it well.

He knew that the guy had threatened to kill his gf. I haven't read whether he knew of a reported gun or not. So, yes it was a serious complaint; and he should have waited for back-up short of a compelling reason to go it alone right away. He can surveil the guy in the interim. There appeared to be no shortage of officers....

And then you keep arguing stuff that isn't what's being argued. Are you tone deaf? I've already said the officer was justified in shooting in many posts and then directly to you. There's no need to beat this dead horse: "Look at the video! The officer had mere seconds to react to the situation. He done his job and he did it well."

Cops go to countless calls of "Joe Blow threatened me". Most are exaggerating. This time it wasnt.

And thats why he didnt wait. Because the call was either very serious (meaning the thug may kill her while the cop waits).....or it wasnt which most arent and thats why cops just go handle it.

Cop haters just HAVE to have something to criticize.

And thats what chaps my ass. You show me REAL proof of a cop abusing his authority I'll be the first to call him out.
These dumbass libs keep posting up legit shoots.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

Yes it could have if the man would have simply complied with the officer.

The man was a moron who deserves more than enough blame for his own death. But I'm speaking in more humanistic terms. If you can avoid what is ultimately a tragic death, would you not want to do it?

Of course, I'm not gonna cry too much that a thug got popped. Some people might compare this to eradicating a cancer....

When you face a man with a gun you can take all the time you want to figure out his intentions. But it may be too late.

Avoiding a tragic death is exactly what the officer did.

Dude...maybe, you haven't read my prior posts. I'm not debating whether the officer should have shot. I was regarding the possible shortsightedness of police procedure. Sending a lone officer into this situation when there was more than enough other officers seems foolhearty.

You have to take into account that some cops go through their whole career and never draw their weapon in the line of duty.
The cop probably didnt expect this to happen as he's probably been on hundreds of calls with out incident.

 

[TheGreatGatsby]

The man was a moron who deserves more than enough blame for his own death. But I'm speaking in more humanistic terms. If you can avoid what is ultimately a tragic death, would you not want to do it?

Of course, I'm not gonna cry too much that a thug got popped. Some people might compare this to eradicating a cancer....

When you face a man with a gun you can take all the time you want to figure out his intentions. But it may be too late.

Avoiding a tragic death is exactly what the officer did.

Dude...maybe, you haven't read my prior posts. I'm not debating whether the officer should have shot. I was regarding the possible shortsightedness of police procedure. Sending a lone officer into this situation when there was more than enough other officers seems foolhearty.

Dude, your assuming the officer knew what the situation was before he got there. The cop had no idea the man was going to run or the man was armed until the moment he saw the gun.

Are you saying he should have waited for back-up? Which would give the criminal time to car jack someone to make his escape or worse take aim and shoot the officer?

Look at the video! The officer had mere seconds to react to the situation. He done his job and he did it well.

He knew that the guy had threatened to kill his gf. I haven't read whether he knew of a reported gun or not. So, yes it was a serious complaint; and he should have waited for back-up short of a compelling reason to go it alone right away. He can surveil the guy in the interim. There appeared to be no shortage of officers....

And then you keep arguing stuff that isn't what's being argued. Are you tone deaf? I've already said the officer was justified in shooting in many posts and then directly to you. There's no need to beat this dead horse: "Look at the video! The officer had mere seconds to react to the situation. He done his job and he did it well."

Why do you insist on second guessing the cops actions?

What law enforcement experience do you have?

How many domestic disturbance calls have you been on?

What makes you think that two or ten more cops would have made any difference?

If someone is in fact threatening another person's life, time is of the essence, waiting may have gotten the gf killed or ended up in a hostage situation where other lives may have been in danger.

But second guessing and all the would have's and could have's is utter bullshit.

What's done is done. The shoot was legit.

Deal with it and stop trying to find fault with the police where none exist.

So__ If I don't have so-called law enforcement experience, I'm not allowed to question the actions of cops? Nice attitude, bro.

 

[TheGreatGatsby]

The man was a moron who deserves more than enough blame for his own death. But I'm speaking in more humanistic terms. If you can avoid what is ultimately a tragic death, would you not want to do it?

Of course, I'm not gonna cry too much that a thug got popped. Some people might compare this to eradicating a cancer....

When you face a man with a gun you can take all the time you want to figure out his intentions. But it may be too late.

Avoiding a tragic death is exactly what the officer did.

Dude...maybe, you haven't read my prior posts. I'm not debating whether the officer should have shot. I was regarding the possible shortsightedness of police procedure. Sending a lone officer into this situation when there was more than enough other officers seems foolhearty.

Dude, your assuming the officer knew what the situation was before he got there. The cop had no idea the man was going to run or the man was armed until the moment he saw the gun.

Are you saying he should have waited for back-up? Which would give the criminal time to car jack someone to make his escape or worse take aim and shoot the officer?

Look at the video! The officer had mere seconds to react to the situation. He done his job and he did it well.

He knew that the guy had threatened to kill his gf. I haven't read whether he knew of a reported gun or not. So, yes it was a serious complaint; and he should have waited for back-up short of a compelling reason to go it alone right away. He can surveil the guy in the interim. There appeared to be no shortage of officers....

And then you keep arguing stuff that isn't what's being argued. Are you tone deaf? I've already said the officer was justified in shooting in many posts and then directly to you. There's no need to beat this dead horse: "Look at the video! The officer had mere seconds to react to the situation. He done his job and he did it well."

Cops go to countless calls of "Joe Blow threatened me". Most are exaggerating. This time it wasnt.

And thats why he didnt wait. Because the call was either very serious (meaning the thug may kill her while the cop waits).....or it wasnt which most arent and thats why cops just go handle it.

Cop haters just HAVE to have something to criticize.

I doubt if there was any calls like that within the hour in butt f'ing nowhere Okie. Cops weren't out on these so-called countless calls or they wouldn't have been able to arrive in full force in a matter of seconds.

 

[TheGreatGatsby]

And that's why I keep raising the question -- if this kid is thought to be so dangerous, and armed, what the hell is McMillin doing accosting him alone?

I don't know. Did they have a report that he was armed? I still don't know if it was a celphone or gun; but the cop was pretty adamant that it was a gun and he called it a gun in the video on several occasions while knowing that they were being filmed. And no other officer refuted that. But why was he alone when it seemed the whole damn police department was there in about two to three minutes? That's a fair question. I'm not saying he broke protocol. But it seems shortsighted.

Right, that's my point. Actually it was the OP's point but he never came back to defend it.

Cops confront dangerous people alone all the time. Its why the job is hard. But most times it doesn't go bad.

If they sent multiple officers to every dangerous call...they'd never catch up on calls.

Muskogee is a rural town of 39K people. I can't imagine that they get that many calls involving death threats. Sending only one officer (when there were clearly many on duty) was shortsighted.

In a town of 39k how many cops do you think they can keep on the payroll?

Look at the video, and you'll have a significantly high number for a starting point.