Blind Faith In Unregulated Markets Stoked Economic Crisis

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Blind Faith In Unregulated Markets Stoked Economic Crisis

the story of how we got here is partly one of Mr. Bush’s own making, according to a review of his tenure that included interviews with dozens of current and former administration officials. From his earliest days in office, Mr. Bush paired his belief that Americans do best when they own their own home with his conviction that markets do best when let alone.


WASHINGTON — The global financial system was teetering on the edge of collapse when President Bush and his economics team huddled in the Roosevelt Room of the White House for a briefing that, in the words of one participant, “scared the hell out of everybody.”

It was Sept. 18. Lehman Brothers had just gone belly-up, overwhelmed by toxic mortgages. Bank of America had swallowed Merrill Lynch in a hastily arranged sale. Two days earlier, Mr. Bush had agreed to pump $85 billion into the failing insurance giant American International Group.

The president listened as Ben S. Bernanke, chairman of the Federal Reserve, laid out the latest terrifying news: The credit markets, gripped by panic, had frozen overnight, and banks were refusing to lend money.

Then his Treasury secretary, Henry M. Paulson Jr., told him that to stave off disaster, he would have to sign off on the biggest government bailout in history.

Mr. Bush, according to several people in the room, paused for a single, stunned moment to take it all in.

“How,” he wondered aloud, “did we get here?”

Eight years after arriving in Washington vowing to spread the dream of homeownership, Mr. Bush is leaving office, as he himself said recently, “faced with the prospect of a global meltdown” with roots in the housing sector he so ardently championed.

There are plenty of culprits, like lenders who peddled easy credit, consumers who took on mortgages they could not afford and Wall Street chieftains who loaded up on mortgage-backed securities without regard to the risk.

But the story of how we got here is partly one of Mr. Bush’s own making, according to a review of his tenure that included interviews with dozens of current and former administration officials.

From his earliest days in office, Mr. Bush paired his belief that Americans do best when they own their own home with his conviction that markets do best when let alone.

He pushed hard to expand homeownership, especially among minorities, an initiative that dovetailed with his ambition to expand the Republican tent — and with the business interests of some of his biggest donors. But his housing policies and hands-off approach to regulation encouraged lax lending standards.

Mr. Bush did foresee the danger posed by Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, the government-sponsored mortgage finance giants. The president spent years pushing a recalcitrant Congress to toughen regulation of the companies, but was unwilling to compromise when his former Treasury secretary wanted to cut a deal. And the regulator Mr. Bush chose to oversee them — an old prep school buddy — pronounced the companies sound even as they headed toward insolvency.

As early as 2006, top advisers to Mr. Bush dismissed warnings from people inside and outside the White House that housing prices were inflated and that a foreclosure crisis was looming. And when the economy deteriorated, Mr. Bush and his team misdiagnosed the reasons and scope of the downturn; as recently as February, for example, Mr. Bush was still calling it a “rough patch.”

The result was a series of piecemeal policy prescriptions that lagged behind the escalating crisis.

“There is no question we did not recognize the severity of the problems,” said Al Hubbard, Mr. Bush’s former chief economics adviser, who left the White House in December 2007. “Had we, we would have attacked them.”

Looking back, Keith B. Hennessey, Mr. Bush’s current chief economics adviser, says he and his colleagues did the best they could “with the information we had at the time.” But Mr. Hennessey did say he regretted that the administration did not pay more heed to the dangers of easy lending practices. And both Mr. Paulson and his predecessor, John W. Snow, say the housing push went too far.

“The Bush administration took a lot of pride that homeownership had reached historic highs,” Mr. Snow said in an interview. “But what we forgot in the process was that it has to be done in the context of people being able to afford their house. We now realize there was a high cost.”

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http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/21/business/21admin.html?_r=1&hp
 
Actually know what stoked the crisis was the regulations which after 1994 guaranteed that every real estate company in the US was going to have mortgage notes that it knew damn well were going to go belly up sooner rather than later and especially so if the speculative real estate boom ever ceased as such booms eventually do. Since 1994 it has been a matter of when not if these regualtions were going to bring the housing market and with it the financial markets crashing down.
 
Actually know what stoked the crisis was the regulations which after 1994 guaranteed that every real estate company in the US was going to have mortgage notes that it knew damn well were going to go belly up sooner rather than later and especially so if the speculative real estate boom ever ceased as such booms eventually do. Since 1994 it has been a matter of when not if these regualtions were going to bring the housing market and with it the financial markets crashing down.

No, that was not the primary factor. A factor it was, but the combination of deregulation on banks, and mortgage companies led to very poor lending practices. The use of derivitives that would previously been dissallowed, caped the debacle. Add to that, a government that was spending as fast as it could borrow, in order to facilitate the movement of wealth from the middle class to the already very wealthy, and you have the makings of the disaster we are presently experiancing.

Had Bush and company been less the ideologues, they might have seen this coming and ameliorated it by earlier action. That is their legacy, preferring to believe "how things ought to be" rather than reality.
 
And now blind faith in government to fix everything is gonna' create another crisis:

Loss of Freedom.
 
no sir rocks in the head it was the regulations themselves that induced if not actually produced the risky loans. This goes back a lot further than GW Bush or even Bill Clinton.

Do your home work and don't truncate history.
 
How on earth can we call this mess of a interventionist economic system, a laissez-faire free market?

You can't blame the ills of government on that of the laissez-faire market... that's why we're in this mess, because people like Bush believe that! We haven't had a free market capitalistic system since 1913 when the Federal Reserve was created, and given power to inflate bubbles. One might go even as far back as 1890 when the Sherman Anti-trust Act was passed at the behest of Big Railroad to crush competition. But I digress; all the ills we're facing today was created by the government. The solution is, opposite to what Bush and his Keynesianist allies preach, is not more government, but less.
 
Wow, two great posts in a row! Looks like we got some more "free marketeers" on the board.
 
if the government hadnt been messing with it in the first place, none of this crap would have happened
 
When you deregulate loan standards to the extent that you can get one by just saying your a "pick your occupation" then you will have problems with greed from the lenders and the borrowers.

In any society, you have to have laws, regulations or whatever you want to call them, or you will descend into the chaos we are in now with the economy.

We regulate behavior all the time in our personal actions. It is also needed in the economic market.
 
How on earth can we call this mess of a interventionist economic system, a laissez-faire free market?

Nobody thinks we had a laissez fair market.

What some of us ARE saying is that the we lacked the proper banking regulations which might have prevented this disaster....AGAIN.

We HAD those laws in place, post about 1936 or so but then we systematically relaxed the banking laws that would have not allowed this situation to develop.

Read this again ...

we did not have the proper banking regulations in place that would have prevented this meltdown, and this econ. meltdown has been caused by MORE than JUST the mortgage crises.

Bear in mind folks that we have had about ten or twelve BANKING/stockmarket BAILOUTS in the last twenty years or so.

The banking/financial market systems have been in trouble since the early 1980s and the FED has stepped into to save the INVESTMENT CLASS frequently

Read how many bailouts of various banks and market entities we've done and ask yourself why the richest people in American kept neeeding to be bailed out.

1982 - Mexican Argentina crises bankers bailout
1984 - Continential Illinois bank bailout
1987 - Post stock crash banks bailout
late 1980s discount window bailouts to 350 banks
1989 - Svving and Loan bailouts
1990 -Citibank Bank of New England Bailout
1994 Mexican Peso crises bank bailout
1997 Asia Crises BANK bailouts
1998 Long Term Capital Management bailout (hedgefunds)
1999 - Y2K liquidity crises
2001 - 05 - Post stockmarekt crash liquidity crises RATE cuts to save stock market
2007 - Structured inestment and subprime mortgage bailouts

Now tell me those of you who think we are becoming a SOCIALIST country...how many bailouts have the American working class gotten during the same time?

What the working class got was massive INCREASES in Social Security taxes, their jobs outsourced and a steady and obvious DECLINE in thier salaraies AND the social services that this nation provided to keep this nation going.

The rich have gotten every fucking thing they've wanted for the last three decades, massive tax breaks, cuts in social services and the right to get their money offshore so that they don't have to pay American workers, pay attention to envirnmentla laws, OR pay taxes on the profits they're making from selling INTO the US markets.

This depression is what comes of giving the monied classes total control over our economy.

This depression we are entering is a depression that we seem to get every time we give the banking finance crowd free rein to do as they please.
 
When you deregulate loan standards to the extent that you can get one by just saying your a "pick your occupation" then you will have problems with greed from the lenders and the borrowers.

In any society, you have to have laws, regulations or whatever you want to call them, or you will descend into the chaos we are in now with the economy.

We regulate behavior all the time in our personal actions. It is also needed in the economic market.

That's akin to saying, "In any society, we must keep laws from keep its citizens to rebel against the government-- the government must be able to spy on all of their conversations and prevent them from gathering. Imagine the chaos if people were free to do what they'd please!"

Your last two sentences perfectly capture my view. We do regulate our personal behavior, and it certainly does not come from laws. Now, a market is just a collection of the personal beings interacting with each other. Regulations that promise bailouts, like the FDIC, cause us to be a bit lax with our due diligence. That's what we call moral hazard, and it can yield results like the ones you see here.

No one's asking for the government to be abolished. We're not anarchists. Just reduced to strictly what the Constitution allows. We had a great period of economic growth during the 19th century, and that was displaced by this notion that the government could run our affairs better than we could in the 20th century.
 
Why are so many people oblivious to the fact that historically low interest rates enticed the rush to home buying?

What we OUGHT to do is quit tampering with interest rates artificially, which is what leads to irresponsible borrowing. People should never have been given the idea that "everyone can own a home". Because that simply isn't true. Everyone is entitled to PURSUE the desire and ASPIRE to own a home. We as consumers should be smart enough to figure out our own financial situations and decide if we can afford to or not. Setting rates to near ZERO, which only serves to pressure consumers into borrowing when many SHOULDN'T have been, is causing this country a great deal of economic strife.

We, as the market, should be deciding on our OWN what the rates of interest are at a given time. Not the government.

You can regulate the banks to death, and we're still left with a dangling carrot in front of our faces whenever the Fed decides to manipulate rates.
 
And now blind faith in government to fix everything is gonna' create another crisis:

Loss of Freedom.

Yes, I think you ARE right about that, MS.

The more complex our society becomes the greater amount of controls and regulations it takes to keep it from flying apart.

And it won't matter which party is in power, what system of ecomonic blind faith they susscribe to, or what their ultimate motivation is, either.

The more complex the society, the more regulations and laws it will generate to keep it going.

This is not a good thing, it's just an inevitable thing.
 
Yes, I think you ARE right about that, MS.

The more complex our society becomes the greater amount of controls and regulations it takes to keep it from flying apart.

And it won't matter which party is in power, what system of ecomonic blind faith they susscribe to, or what their ultimate motivation is, either.

The more complex the society, the more regulations and laws it will generate to keep it going.

This is not a good thing, it's just an inevitable thing.

See my previous post. That's really akin to saying, since our population is so much more massive than it is now, the bill of rights is a threat! We should do away with the freedom to assemble! The government could control a few million people in the 1800s, but 300 million people?! That's uncontrollable, and we need more complex laws from keeping the huge population from erupting in chaos!

No, reality and economics tells us that the problems are coming from the unintended consequences of these various regulations and institutions that were established. Economics is not a matter of faith, it's a science. Just as gravity forces objects to fall at 9.8 m/s^2, the promise of a bailout, through the Federal Reserve and FDIC, causes banks to act way more recklessly than they would normally.
 
Why are so many people oblivious to the fact that historically low interest rates enticed the rush to home buying?

What we OUGHT to do is quit tampering with interest rates artificially, which is what leads to irresponsible borrowing. People should never have been given the idea that "everyone can own a home". Because that simply isn't true. Everyone is entitled to PURSUE the desire and ASPIRE to own a home. We as consumers should be smart enough to figure out our own financial situations and decide if we can afford to or not. Setting rates to near ZERO, which only serves to pressure consumers into borrowing when many SHOULDN'T have been, is causing this country a great deal of economic strife.

We, as the market, should be deciding on our OWN what the rates of interest are at a given time. Not the government.

You can regulate the banks to death, and we're still left with a dangling carrot in front of our faces whenever the Fed decides to manipulate rates.

Where does money come from, Paul?

Better still explain to me why pieces of paper reresent something of value.

Can you do that for us?
 

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