Blacks and whites don't know each other well ... at all.

[beagle9]

You are trying to support your silly argument with the 1960s? We moved on, you didn't.

So you think racism was a problem in the 1960's ?

. So you want it to be the Boogeyman under your bed forever ?

 

[Paul Essien]

]Sure it was. I lived in the segregated south.

So how do you explain in 1963, a year before the Civil Rights Act was passed, two years before the Voting Rights Act, and five years before the Fair Housing Act, nearly two in three whites told Gallup pollsters that blacks were treated equally in their communities ?

This, in the same year that Medgar Evers was shot down dead in his driveway in Jackson and as I'm sure you know the name of "Bull Connor" well he plowed tanks through the black community and hosed down children in Birmingham, four young black girls were murdered at the 16th Street Baptist Church there, and another name you will know "George Wallace" said, “segregation today, segregation tomorrow and segregation ‘foreever’”

Even before that, in 1962, 85 percent of whites said that black children had just as good a chance to get a good education as white children.

And this was at a time when images of racism was beamed into their living rooms every night? This was at the height of one of the greatest freedom movements in history.

The bottom line is this: If at every point of American history, black folks have said “we have a problem,” and we have been right every time, while most whites have said all is well, and have been wrong just as often, what would allow u2 think that it was black folks who were suddenly misjudging the problem ? And whites who had at long last become keen observers of social reality?

 

[Iceweasel]

]Sure it was. I lived in the segregated south.

So how do you explain in 1963, a year before the Civil Rights Act was passed, two years before the Voting Rights Act, and five years before the Fair Housing Act, nearly two in three whites told Gallup pollsters that blacks were treated equally in their communities ?

This, in the same year that Medgar Evers was shot down dead in his driveway in Jackson and as I'm sure you know the name of "Bull Connor" well he plowed tanks through the black community and hosed down children in Birmingham, four young black girls were murdered at the 16th Street Baptist Church there, and another name you will know "George Wallace" said, “segregation today, segregation tomorrow and segregation ‘foreever’”

Even before that, in 1962, 85 percent of whites said that black children had just as good a chance to get a good education as white children.

And this was at a time when images of racism was beamed into their living rooms every night? This was at the height of one of the greatest freedom movements in history.

The bottom line is this: If at every point of American history, black folks have said “we have a problem,” and we have been right every time, while most whites have said all is well, and have been wrong just as often, what would allow u2 think that it was black folks who were suddenly misjudging the problem ? And whites who had at long last become keen observers of social reality?

Like I said, you are stuck in the past. I asked you how you were being held back and you ran back to the 60s.

 

[Iceweasel]

]Sure it was. I lived in the segregated south.

So how do you explain in 1963, a year before the Civil Rights Act was passed, two years before the Voting Rights Act, and five years before the Fair Housing Act, nearly two in three whites told Gallup pollsters that blacks were treated equally in their communities ?

This, in the same year that Medgar Evers was shot down dead in his driveway in Jackson and as I'm sure you know the name of "Bull Connor" well he plowed tanks through the black community and hosed down children in Birmingham, four young black girls were murdered at the 16th Street Baptist Church there, and another name you will know "George Wallace" said, “segregation today, segregation tomorrow and segregation ‘foreever’”

Even before that, in 1962, 85 percent of whites said that black children had just as good a chance to get a good education as white children.

And this was at a time when images of racism was beamed into their living rooms every night? This was at the height of one of the greatest freedom movements in history.

The bottom line is this: If at every point of American history, black folks have said “we have a problem,” and we have been right every time, while most whites have said all is well, and have been wrong just as often, what would allow u2 think that it was black folks who were suddenly misjudging the problem ? And whites who had at long last become keen observers of social reality?

Like I said, you are stuck in the past. I asked you how you were being held back and you ran back to the 60s.

Bump.

Hello? The 1960s called and they want their colored boy back.

 

[Correll]

Though they think they do.

Both are suspicious of the other. The media likes to make it seem like it's white peoples' fault, that we don't listen. But from everything I've read and heard, black folks seem to make plenty of assumptions about us as well, many of which are just downright ridiculous.

What assumptions ?

So here I am. While I can only represent myself, I do know a lot of white people, and I know how they act when black folks aren't around.

You don’t need to tell me how white people act when black people are not around. We know dude....We know.

I know white people would be basically to sh*t scared to say anything to a black man’s face. If a white man was to say anything to me, that would not end well for that white man. I wouldn’t just punch him in the face….I think you know where I’m coming from.

But most white people are blind to their racism, but many of those who are not keep quiet because they must get along with other white people, most of whom are racist and who can make things ugly for anyone who calls them on it.

I know how we operate to the last little detail. At least, in the middle-upper middle class. Rich white people might as well be from a different planet than us, which is why it's so aggravating that we get lumped in with them.

But poor white people have consistently allowed rich white supremacist men to have the power, because as former USA President Lyndon Johnson said

Think you know white people, huh?

I don’t care if I know white people. I know what white people can do. And that’s all that matters

You do not have to be a rich moneyman to have an effect on thousands of people. Teachers, doctors, policemen and newspaper editors all do. Nor do you have to be rich to benefit from white racism. Working-class whites, for example, live longer and have more wealth than even middle-class blacks.

Some white guy makes an offer for a real discussion on race and you have to start talking shit.

Sad.

 

[beagle9]

]Sure it was. I lived in the segregated south.

So how do you explain in 1963, a year before the Civil Rights Act was passed, two years before the Voting Rights Act, and five years before the Fair Housing Act, nearly two in three whites told Gallup pollsters that blacks were treated equally in their communities ?

This, in the same year that Medgar Evers was shot down dead in his driveway in Jackson and as I'm sure you know the name of "Bull Connor" well he plowed tanks through the black community and hosed down children in Birmingham, four young black girls were murdered at the 16th Street Baptist Church there, and another name you will know "George Wallace" said, “segregation today, segregation tomorrow and segregation ‘foreever’”

Even before that, in 1962, 85 percent of whites said that black children had just as good a chance to get a good education as white children.

And this was at a time when images of racism was beamed into their living rooms every night? This was at the height of one of the greatest freedom movements in history.

The bottom line is this: If at every point of American history, black folks have said “we have a problem,” and we have been right every time, while most whites have said all is well, and have been wrong just as often, what would allow u2 think that it was black folks who were suddenly misjudging the problem ? And whites who had at long last become keen observers of social reality?

. Show us evidence where the things that you listed, are actually taking place today. You can't do it, but keep that old Boogeyman going is the agenda, but why ? What are your goals in keeping that Boogeyman up under your children's bed's ?? Can't you do it without the victimhood being the constant motivator of your actions ?? What about Africa ?? When will you all turn towards Africa, and begin the blame game against that continent in which you love to embrace, yet it doesn't embrace you ?? Yes racism existed, and yes it still does, but it's more of a cultural disagreement than an actual skin color problem these days. The reason that racism existed in the past, is because the blacks were brought here in chains for the purpose of slavery, and the blacks were of a primitive nature at the time, and they were kept in that state for the purpose of work without much thought of. Slowly though, it was seen that these slaves were much smarter than were being given credit for, and so the long journey to help lift these slaves out of slavery by the whites throughout time had begun. Many sacrifices by whites were made, and the slave trade was abolished as it should have been. Then the long journey towards lifting the blacks from their primitive culture and state of mind began. It wasn't the blacks fault that they were in such a primitive state in which allowed them to be caught up in such an atrocious situation, but it was time to educate them, and get them out of the primitive state that they were in. This was very important as so they would not be rejected or discriminated against in the coming years or their future here. It had been a long struggle, but the evidence is clear that the struggle has been a success, and yet the struggle is not over in the case of class warfare, inequality, and discrimination against any American of any color, and for any reason. To say that whites are against blacks because of their skin color is a lie straight out of hell for most living today.. Now their may be those on both sides attempting to keep the skin color fires going, but most are done with it, and it's time to move on.

 

[John Shaw]

What assumptions ?

Probably the one that is most pervasive and does the most damage is the sort of assumption that we are acting in tandem to do harm to black people, which simply isn't the case. I think black folks believe we think about them a lot more than we actually do. There is no evil hivemind. Very few of us get up in the morning rearing to make a black man's life shittier. Instead we're thinking, "Fuck ... I have to go to work ..."

You don’t need to tell me how white people act when black people are not around. We know dude....We know.

Well .. you probably don't. I think it goes without saying there are some extremely racist white people out there who act the way you're insinuating, but they're such a small minority it's not even funny. Usually just trailer trash and hicks. They are generally hostile to black people, but aren't really afraid to show it, at least where I live. They're too dumb to be afraid of much.

HOWEVER ... the real difference in how white people talk around black people and how they talk around each other is that when the black people leave, the fear goes away. Not fear of a physical altercation, but fear of giving offense and making themselves look bad. insensitive or even worse, racist. "Looking bad" is one of the things white people fear most. So there is kind of a low-key sigh of relief when the black people leave. At least, until they get to know you personally and what triggers you, so they can avoid it.

I know white people would be basically to sh*t scared to say anything to a black man’s face.

There usually isn't much shit being said in the first place, as noted above.

they must get along with other white people, most of whom are racist and who can make things ugly for anyone who calls them on it.

It's less like racism, or the belief in the superiority of one's race (it can be someone else's too) over others, and more like ignorance and fear. I could write all day about white peoples' fears. It's quite a fascinating subject.

But poor white people have consistently allowed rich white supremacist men to have the power, because as former USA President Lyndon Johnson said

1. Johnson was a piece of shit. 2. What are we supposed to do? Go on a shooting spree? Throw our lives away and become assassins to topple the aristocracy? Viva la France? C'mon, man. We barely know who the real shakers and movers are, let alone have any way of fighting them. They're only now starting to come out of the woodworks thanks to the dumbass-in-chief.

You do not have to be a rich moneyman to have an effect on thousands of people. Teachers, doctors, policemen and newspaper editors all do. Nor do you have to be rich to benefit from white racism. Working-class whites, for example, live longer and have more wealth than even middle-class blacks.

Not sure what you're getting at. You'll have to be more specific. There are a lot of reasons why the stats favor white people, other than just some vague and ominous notion of white supremacy.

 

[John Shaw]

Why do negro's have a higher rate of drug use?
Why do negro's have a higher rate of STD?
Why do negro's have a lower graduation rate?
Why do negro's promote higher crime rates where they live?
Why do negro's listen to shit for brains like
Jesse Jackson?
AL sharpton?
Maxine watters?

Fury
White Mexican

Please leave.

 

[John Shaw]

Liar. I said no such thing. I said very clearly your butthurt feelings are not my problem. I'm a person, not a race. A race didn't respond to you, I did. I said your life isn't my problem or anyone else's. You can snivel like a jilted schoolgirl for the rest of your life, it has no bearing on mine.

I find it ironic, that whites r willing 2 ignore racism, but will not ignore a person (like me) who is calling out racism.

N if ur tired of seeing me n IM2 challenging white racism, there’s an easy way 2 solve that problem.

Do the work urselves.

If whites were willing 2 stand up condemn the racism in ur community then black people wud not have 2 b the ones leading the rally.

But most whites do nothing in the face of racism. Most don’t speak up, don’t talk back, don’t challenge family, friends, colleagues.

Genocides unfold in 8 stages. Stopping it at stage 1 - Stops the genocide from going forward. The 1st ppl killed in any genocide r those in the mainstream who speak up 2 them. Now the message goes unchallenged.

Racism grows n feeds off a culture of silence. The point of calling out racism is 2 break down that silence. It doesn't matter if u persuade anyone. What matters is that u were heard n planted that seed in people’s minds of, “Hey, maybe this isn't right.”

Elizabeth Eckford was 1 of the first 9 black students 2 go 2 School in the American South. The 90% who were not giving her hell would not stand up to the 10% who were.

So sure, whites may discount what black ppl saying (unless they agree with them) but they still hear it.

If something racist goes down and blacks say nothing, whites will assume that it is “okay” Especially since white ppl assume blacks r “oversensitive”.
.

. So how exactly is it that the new white generation of today, is responsible for the racism of the past ? Seems to me that the blacks are the ones constantly dwelling in the past, where as the whites are trying as hard as they can to move ahead, and get beyond the chains of the past. You won't let them, why ???? What is your overall goal found in your accessing of the past in order to weaponize it or use it as a weapon against the new generation of whites not beholding to the past ? Is it seen as a way to exploit for easy gains or money maybe ? Is it in the hopes of someday paying the white race (on whole) back for their dastardly deeds ? Not being able to control your own race, has been found to pose a serious flaw in your agenda (if it is the case) that was being mentioned above. Time to move on don't you think ?

Well, I think this is a common way of looking at things. Not a very good one. You can't simply "move on". The ghosts of the past continue to haunt the present. You have to examine the way things are, identify problems, and then be willing to find solutions. Just saying, "Move on," is rather stupid. No offense.

There is no hope in the boomer generation. Maybe with millennials, though millennials have their own issues to sort out. Namely outrageous student loan debt and somewhat thin skins.

 

[AKIP]

Though they think they do.

Both are suspicious of the other. The media likes to make it seem like it's white peoples' fault, that we don't listen. But from everything I've read and heard, black folks seem to make plenty of assumptions about us as well, many of which are just downright ridiculous.

So here I am. While I can only represent myself, I do know a lot of white people, and I know how they act when black folks aren't around.. I know how we operate to the last little detail. At least, in the middle-upper middle class. Rich white people might as well be from a different planet than us, which is why it's so aggravating that we get lumped in with them.

Think you know white people, huh? Well ask your question, or state your supposition, and find out. I'll give you as straight an answer as I can, as long as it's not something lame like, "Why do you smell like wet dogs?" Dude; 1. I don't know, and 2. That's kinda rude.

Oh, ask me questions about sex and dating. I love those spicy ones.

Well....I think no one really knows anyone other than themselves.....and many times people really don't know themselves. That having been said, historically blacks have HAD to deal with whites more than whites have had to deal with blacks. Blacks have to go through whites, as a general rule, to make it in this world. Whites, on the other hand, do not have to go through a black filtration process in order to make it. Blacks are only 13% of the population and we are underrepresented economically and politically while whites are the majority AND are over represented in terms of share of power and wealth . Black people are much more likely to be one of the few blacks in a company, school or classroom. Hence, unless we are talking about blacks who live in large segregated cities, like Detroit or Chicago, who are poor and unemployed, dealing with whites is a prerequisite to functioning in this society.

That having been said, I think it is safe to say that a greater percentage of blacks interact with whites than the percentage of whites who interact with blacks. Thus, if interaction leads to greater probabilities of getting to know people......it would logically follow that blacks likely know whites much better than whites know blacks.

 

[Correll]

Liar. I said no such thing. I said very clearly your butthurt feelings are not my problem. I'm a person, not a race. A race didn't respond to you, I did. I said your life isn't my problem or anyone else's. You can snivel like a jilted schoolgirl for the rest of your life, it has no bearing on mine.

I find it ironic, that whites r willing 2 ignore racism, but will not ignore a person (like me) who is calling out racism.

N if ur tired of seeing me n IM2 challenging white racism, there’s an easy way 2 solve that problem.

Do the work urselves.

If whites were willing 2 stand up condemn the racism in ur community then black people wud not have 2 b the ones leading the rally.

But most whites do nothing in the face of racism. Most don’t speak up, don’t talk back, don’t challenge family, friends, colleagues.

Genocides unfold in 8 stages. Stopping it at stage 1 - Stops the genocide from going forward. The 1st ppl killed in any genocide r those in the mainstream who speak up 2 them. Now the message goes unchallenged.

Racism grows n feeds off a culture of silence. The point of calling out racism is 2 break down that silence. It doesn't matter if u persuade anyone. What matters is that u were heard n planted that seed in people’s minds of, “Hey, maybe this isn't right.”

Elizabeth Eckford was 1 of the first 9 black students 2 go 2 School in the American South. The 90% who were not giving her hell would not stand up to the 10% who were.

So sure, whites may discount what black ppl saying (unless they agree with them) but they still hear it.

If something racist goes down and blacks say nothing, whites will assume that it is “okay” Especially since white ppl assume blacks r “oversensitive”.
.

. So how exactly is it that the new white generation of today, is responsible for the racism of the past ? Seems to me that the blacks are the ones constantly dwelling in the past, where as the whites are trying as hard as they can to move ahead, and get beyond the chains of the past. You won't let them, why ???? What is your overall goal found in your accessing of the past in order to weaponize it or use it as a weapon against the new generation of whites not beholding to the past ? Is it seen as a way to exploit for easy gains or money maybe ? Is it in the hopes of someday paying the white race (on whole) back for their dastardly deeds ? Not being able to control your own race, has been found to pose a serious flaw in your agenda (if it is the case) that was being mentioned above. Time to move on don't you think ?

Well, I think this is a common way of looking at things. Not a very good one. You can't simply "move on". The ghosts of the past continue to haunt the present. You have to examine the way things are, identify problems, and then be willing to find solutions. Just saying, "Move on," is rather stupid. No offense.

There is no hope in the boomer generation. Maybe with millennials, though millennials have their own issues to sort out. Namely outrageous student loan debt and somewhat thin skins.

The Greatest Generation and the Boomers were the voters that kept voting pro-civil rights politicians into office thoughout the 50s and 60s and 70s, and 80s.

It is absurd to say they didn't do anything.

 

[AKIP]

]Sure it was. I lived in the segregated south.

So how do you explain in 1963, a year before the Civil Rights Act was passed, two years before the Voting Rights Act, and five years before the Fair Housing Act, nearly two in three whites told Gallup pollsters that blacks were treated equally in their communities ?

This, in the same year that Medgar Evers was shot down dead in his driveway in Jackson and as I'm sure you know the name of "Bull Connor" well he plowed tanks through the black community and hosed down children in Birmingham, four young black girls were murdered at the 16th Street Baptist Church there, and another name you will know "George Wallace" said, “segregation today, segregation tomorrow and segregation ‘foreever’”

Even before that, in 1962, 85 percent of whites said that black children had just as good a chance to get a good education as white children.

And this was at a time when images of racism was beamed into their living rooms every night? This was at the height of one of the greatest freedom movements in history.

The bottom line is this: If at every point of American history, black folks have said “we have a problem,” and we have been right every time, while most whites have said all is well, and have been wrong just as often, what would allow u2 think that it was black folks who were suddenly misjudging the problem ? And whites who had at long last become keen observers of social reality?

OUTSTANDING!!!!

 

[John Shaw]

Liar. I said no such thing. I said very clearly your butthurt feelings are not my problem. I'm a person, not a race. A race didn't respond to you, I did. I said your life isn't my problem or anyone else's. You can snivel like a jilted schoolgirl for the rest of your life, it has no bearing on mine.

I find it ironic, that whites r willing 2 ignore racism, but will not ignore a person (like me) who is calling out racism.

N if ur tired of seeing me n IM2 challenging white racism, there’s an easy way 2 solve that problem.

Do the work urselves.

If whites were willing 2 stand up condemn the racism in ur community then black people wud not have 2 b the ones leading the rally.

But most whites do nothing in the face of racism. Most don’t speak up, don’t talk back, don’t challenge family, friends, colleagues.

Genocides unfold in 8 stages. Stopping it at stage 1 - Stops the genocide from going forward. The 1st ppl killed in any genocide r those in the mainstream who speak up 2 them. Now the message goes unchallenged.

Racism grows n feeds off a culture of silence. The point of calling out racism is 2 break down that silence. It doesn't matter if u persuade anyone. What matters is that u were heard n planted that seed in people’s minds of, “Hey, maybe this isn't right.”

Elizabeth Eckford was 1 of the first 9 black students 2 go 2 School in the American South. The 90% who were not giving her hell would not stand up to the 10% who were.

So sure, whites may discount what black ppl saying (unless they agree with them) but they still hear it.

If something racist goes down and blacks say nothing, whites will assume that it is “okay” Especially since white ppl assume blacks r “oversensitive”.
.

. So how exactly is it that the new white generation of today, is responsible for the racism of the past ? Seems to me that the blacks are the ones constantly dwelling in the past, where as the whites are trying as hard as they can to move ahead, and get beyond the chains of the past. You won't let them, why ???? What is your overall goal found in your accessing of the past in order to weaponize it or use it as a weapon against the new generation of whites not beholding to the past ? Is it seen as a way to exploit for easy gains or money maybe ? Is it in the hopes of someday paying the white race (on whole) back for their dastardly deeds ? Not being able to control your own race, has been found to pose a serious flaw in your agenda (if it is the case) that was being mentioned above. Time to move on don't you think ?

Well, I think this is a common way of looking at things. Not a very good one. You can't simply "move on". The ghosts of the past continue to haunt the present. You have to examine the way things are, identify problems, and then be willing to find solutions. Just saying, "Move on," is rather stupid. No offense.

There is no hope in the boomer generation. Maybe with millennials, though millennials have their own issues to sort out. Namely outrageous student loan debt and somewhat thin skins.

The Greatest Generation and the Boomers were the voters that kept voting pro-civil rights politicians into office thoughout the 50s and 60s and 70s, and 80s.

It is absurd to say they didn't do anything.

I didn't say they didn't do anything. I meant that they've gone as far as they can. Old people are notoriously bad at changing their minds. And let's face it; old white people may not want to oppress anyone by and large, but most sure aren't gonna be happy if their kid marries a black person. Whereas with millennials that aversion (though it still exists on a primitive level) has mostly evaporated.

 

[AKIP]

Liar. I said no such thing. I said very clearly your butthurt feelings are not my problem. I'm a person, not a race. A race didn't respond to you, I did. I said your life isn't my problem or anyone else's. You can snivel like a jilted schoolgirl for the rest of your life, it has no bearing on mine.

I find it ironic, that whites r willing 2 ignore racism, but will not ignore a person (like me) who is calling out racism.

N if ur tired of seeing me n IM2 challenging white racism, there’s an easy way 2 solve that problem.

Do the work urselves.

If whites were willing 2 stand up condemn the racism in ur community then black people wud not have 2 b the ones leading the rally.

But most whites do nothing in the face of racism. Most don’t speak up, don’t talk back, don’t challenge family, friends, colleagues.

Genocides unfold in 8 stages. Stopping it at stage 1 - Stops the genocide from going forward. The 1st ppl killed in any genocide r those in the mainstream who speak up 2 them. Now the message goes unchallenged.

Racism grows n feeds off a culture of silence. The point of calling out racism is 2 break down that silence. It doesn't matter if u persuade anyone. What matters is that u were heard n planted that seed in people’s minds of, “Hey, maybe this isn't right.”

Elizabeth Eckford was 1 of the first 9 black students 2 go 2 School in the American South. The 90% who were not giving her hell would not stand up to the 10% who were.

So sure, whites may discount what black ppl saying (unless they agree with them) but they still hear it.

If something racist goes down and blacks say nothing, whites will assume that it is “okay” Especially since white ppl assume blacks r “oversensitive”.
.

. So how exactly is it that the new white generation of today, is responsible for the racism of the past ? Seems to me that the blacks are the ones constantly dwelling in the past, where as the whites are trying as hard as they can to move ahead, and get beyond the chains of the past. You won't let them, why ???? What is your overall goal found in your accessing of the past in order to weaponize it or use it as a weapon against the new generation of whites not beholding to the past ? Is it seen as a way to exploit for easy gains or money maybe ? Is it in the hopes of someday paying the white race (on whole) back for their dastardly deeds ? Not being able to control your own race, has been found to pose a serious flaw in your agenda (if it is the case) that was being mentioned above. Time to move on don't you think ?

Well, I think this is a common way of looking at things. Not a very good one. You can't simply "move on". The ghosts of the past continue to haunt the present. You have to examine the way things are, identify problems, and then be willing to find solutions. Just saying, "Move on," is rather stupid. No offense.

There is no hope in the boomer generation. Maybe with millennials, though millennials have their own issues to sort out. Namely outrageous student loan debt and somewhat thin skins.

The Greatest Generation and the Boomers were the voters that kept voting pro-civil rights politicians into office thoughout the 50s and 60s and 70s, and 80s.

It is absurd to say they didn't do anything.

I didn't say they didn't do anything. I meant that they've gone as far as they can. Old people are notoriously bad at changing their minds. And let's face it; old white people may not want to oppress anyone by and large, but most sure aren't gonna be happy if their kid marries a black person. Whereas with millennials that aversion (though it still exists on a primitive level) has mostly evaporated.

I would say that it is a gain that young people seem to interact and get along better racially, however, millennials are the most selfish generation that I have ever seen. It's all about them and hedonism. That just look for what they can get out of something. Neither young blacks or whites have a healthy respect for history and how it explains the way things are.....and that ignorance to me is dangerous.

 

[John Shaw]

Though they think they do.

Both are suspicious of the other. The media likes to make it seem like it's white peoples' fault, that we don't listen. But from everything I've read and heard, black folks seem to make plenty of assumptions about us as well, many of which are just downright ridiculous.

So here I am. While I can only represent myself, I do know a lot of white people, and I know how they act when black folks aren't around.. I know how we operate to the last little detail. At least, in the middle-upper middle class. Rich white people might as well be from a different planet than us, which is why it's so aggravating that we get lumped in with them.

Think you know white people, huh? Well ask your question, or state your supposition, and find out. I'll give you as straight an answer as I can, as long as it's not something lame like, "Why do you smell like wet dogs?" Dude; 1. I don't know, and 2. That's kinda rude.

Oh, ask me questions about sex and dating. I love those spicy ones.

Well....I think no one really knows anyone other than themselves.....and many times people really don't know themselves. That having been said, historically blacks have HAD to deal with whites more than whites have had to deal with blacks. Blacks have to go through whites, as a general rule, to make it in this world. Whites, on the other hand, do not have to go through a black filtration process in order to make it. Blacks are only 13% of the population and we are underrepresented economically and politically while whites are the majority AND are over represented in terms of share of power and wealth . Black people are much more likely to be one of the few blacks in a company, school or classroom. Hence, unless we are talking about blacks who live in large segregated cities, like Detroit or Chicago, who are poor and unemployed, dealing with whites is a prerequisite to functioning in this society.

That having been said, I think it is safe to say that a greater percentage of blacks interact with whites than the percentage of whites who interact with blacks. Thus, if interaction leads to greater probabilities of getting to know people......it would logically follow that blacks likely know whites much better than whites know blacks.

White people are very superficial in public. ESPECIALLY with black people they don't know. That kind of superficiality serves as a barrier to protect one's self. It also prevents anyone from knowing them.

So while black people may know whites better than the other way around, I have a feeling they only really know the "face" that White America puts on in the morning. Black folks I meet seem much more up-front about who they are and what they want, which is admirable to a point. I realized early that black people were usually really friendly to me. Some were wary of me at first, but as they got to know me just a little bit, their defenses plummeted. Especially black women. White people will ALWAYS have a mask on, unless you're in their very inner circle of important people.

Black folks, in my experience, are a lot more willing to talk about race. I've heard a lot of modern-day stories about the sort of racism they have to deal with at times that makes me go, "Huh? That didn't really happen, right?"

But I don't think black people know how to broach the subject with white people they DON'T know. White people get defensive, and then black people start talking about injustices, and then it just descends into a cacophony of useless bickering. Seen it a thousand times. That's why such little progress has been made.

 

[John Shaw]

I find it ironic, that whites r willing 2 ignore racism, but will not ignore a person (like me) who is calling out racism.

N if ur tired of seeing me n IM2 challenging white racism, there’s an easy way 2 solve that problem.

Do the work urselves.

If whites were willing 2 stand up condemn the racism in ur community then black people wud not have 2 b the ones leading the rally.

But most whites do nothing in the face of racism. Most don’t speak up, don’t talk back, don’t challenge family, friends, colleagues.

Genocides unfold in 8 stages. Stopping it at stage 1 - Stops the genocide from going forward. The 1st ppl killed in any genocide r those in the mainstream who speak up 2 them. Now the message goes unchallenged.

Racism grows n feeds off a culture of silence. The point of calling out racism is 2 break down that silence. It doesn't matter if u persuade anyone. What matters is that u were heard n planted that seed in people’s minds of, “Hey, maybe this isn't right.”

Elizabeth Eckford was 1 of the first 9 black students 2 go 2 School in the American South. The 90% who were not giving her hell would not stand up to the 10% who were.

So sure, whites may discount what black ppl saying (unless they agree with them) but they still hear it.

If something racist goes down and blacks say nothing, whites will assume that it is “okay” Especially since white ppl assume blacks r “oversensitive”.
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. So how exactly is it that the new white generation of today, is responsible for the racism of the past ? Seems to me that the blacks are the ones constantly dwelling in the past, where as the whites are trying as hard as they can to move ahead, and get beyond the chains of the past. You won't let them, why ???? What is your overall goal found in your accessing of the past in order to weaponize it or use it as a weapon against the new generation of whites not beholding to the past ? Is it seen as a way to exploit for easy gains or money maybe ? Is it in the hopes of someday paying the white race (on whole) back for their dastardly deeds ? Not being able to control your own race, has been found to pose a serious flaw in your agenda (if it is the case) that was being mentioned above. Time to move on don't you think ?

Well, I think this is a common way of looking at things. Not a very good one. You can't simply "move on". The ghosts of the past continue to haunt the present. You have to examine the way things are, identify problems, and then be willing to find solutions. Just saying, "Move on," is rather stupid. No offense.

There is no hope in the boomer generation. Maybe with millennials, though millennials have their own issues to sort out. Namely outrageous student loan debt and somewhat thin skins.

The Greatest Generation and the Boomers were the voters that kept voting pro-civil rights politicians into office thoughout the 50s and 60s and 70s, and 80s.

It is absurd to say they didn't do anything.

I didn't say they didn't do anything. I meant that they've gone as far as they can. Old people are notoriously bad at changing their minds. And let's face it; old white people may not want to oppress anyone by and large, but most sure aren't gonna be happy if their kid marries a black person. Whereas with millennials that aversion (though it still exists on a primitive level) has mostly evaporated.

I would say that it is a gain that young people seem to interact and get along better racially, however, millennials are the most selfish generation that I have ever seen. It's all about them and hedonism. That just look for what they can get out of something. Neither young blacks or whites have a healthy respect for history and how it explains the way things are.....and that ignorance to me is dangerous.

This is kind of off-topic, as I could talk about my generation all day as well (millennials). All I'll say is, student loan debt is HUGE. Like, probably the no.1 problem we have in our lives. It basically prevents us from growing up. How can you, when you're paying $1,200 a month in loans, $1,000 + on rent, $400 on car and insurance, and so on and so forth? How could you dream of raising a family with that kind of extra burdern, especially if you're only making 40 - 50k (which is where a lot of millennials are right now)? It's impossible. So instead you think, "Well, I can't actually afford to be a real adult. Might as well go to the bar and try to enjoy the little bit of money I get to keep." Or something of that nature.

I think boomers have no clue how truly fucked Millennials are by student loan debt, and how much that is going to come around and bite society in the ass in the near future. The schools are absolutely raping their students for every nickel and dime they can get. And they're kids. They don't know shit yet. Easy marks. It's disgusting.

 

[John Shaw]

Before I go and come back later to check up on this thread, I recall that in 1st - 3rd grade, I had one black person at my school. She was probably one of, if not the, most popular girl in the school. I remember her well; she could be a little mean, but was mostly just mischievous and fun, and people liked her. But I don't remember thinking of her as "black". I knew she had darker skin than everyone else, but that's about it. I didn't know anything about how I was "supposed" to feel about her, and I don't think many of the other white kids did either. So it was this kind of complete ignorance that allowed her to be one of the most well-liked people in school, in conjunction with her own personal qualities.

Is that what privilege means, to be so unaware of what race even is at such an age, when surely race is a defining part of a black kid's life? Maybe. But it's interesting, now that I think about it. I wonder if she went on to be successful, or if she succumbed to the curse of low expectations.

Actually, even into seventh grade, there were Hispanic and Asian kids at my school that I just assumed were white people who looked a little different. It wasn't until years later that I realized "Maria Diaz" was not white.

 

[hjmick]

 

[John Shaw]

Nice paintbrush.

You're on a forum for discussing race. It's kinda unavoidable that generalizations are going to be made. Otherwise I'd have to preface every statement with, "I know not all ___ are like this, but _____ ..." People need to use their common sense and understand that that goes without saying.

 

[Iceweasel]

I think boomers have no clue how truly fucked Millennials are by student loan debt, and how much that is going to come around and bite society in the ass in the near future. The schools are absolutely raping their students for every nickel and dime they can get. And they're kids. They don't know shit yet. Easy marks. It's disgusting.

Conservatives know full well. We get accused of being anti-education for mentioning the socialist professor are laughing all the way to the bank. Government backed loans for anything will raise the price. If government gets in the auto loan business car prices will skyrocket too.