Blackhawk Pilot: They deleted Rebecca Lobach’s social media accounts before releasing her name.

[JackOfNoTrades]

Oh dear. Someone has hurt feelings because a former Biden White House aid was seemingly responsible for dozens of deaths.

Except they weren't. And Biden is gone. Sorry, no more passing the buck. Anything that happens now, Trump owns it.
And what he owns again...is the response. I heard someone say the other day that Trump is at his worst during a crisis.
He has no empathy or understanding.

That being said, as much as I'd like to blame this on a politician, I'm quite frankly surprised this didn't happen a lot sooner.
As someone who flies into DCA on a somewhat regular basis, it is the ONLY airport where I get nervous flying into, especially after 9/11.
A small airspace with a shit ton going on and absolutely no margin for error.

 

[The Duke]

I'm thinking it was that woman's feet on the pedals.

 

[Moonglow]

Well now they're gonna hate him.

Or maybe they will flip-flop and not, anything is possible with these fickle morons.

They love to attack the dead and weak.

 

[Hollie]

Except they weren't. And Biden is gone. Sorry, no more passing the buck. Anything that happens now, Trump owns it.
And what he owns again...is the response. I heard someone say the other day that Trump is at his worst during a crisis.
He has no empathy or understanding.

That being said, as much as I'd like to blame this on a politician, I'm quite frankly surprised this didn't happen a lot sooner.
As someone who flies into DCA on a somewhat regular basis, it is the ONLY airport where I get nervous flying into, especially after 9/11.
A small airspace with a shit ton going on and absolutely no margin for error.

I understand you’re of the “I blame Trump” Cult but we know that military training flights have a long history around DCA.

 

[JackOfNoTrades]

I understand you’re of the “I blame Trump” Cult but we know that military training flights have a long history around DCA.

Again, Trump gets blamed (just like he did for the pandemic) for his response.
And in Post #84, you blamed Biden for it. But Biden isn't in the White House anymore.

 

[theHawk]

 

[bdtex]

We have the name of the pilot who was flying the Blackhawk that smashed into the civilian airplane, killing all aboard.

Oh, she was some sort of aid in the Biden White House a while back.

We will learn more in the days ahead.

Third soldier inside Black Hawk helicopter involved in DC midair collision identified

The third soldier aboard a Black Hawk helicopter on a training mission when it collided with an American Airlines jet over Washington, D.C., Wednesday has been identified.

www.foxnews.com

People like you are exactly why her family didn't want her name released. Look at you. Smearing her already. You're one sick f**k.

 

[westwall]

I wouldn't trust no pilot with only 500 hours. That's barely enough just to get you up and down

500 hours isn't bad at all. It takes a couple of years to get 500 hours in an aircraft, plus sim training, plus ground training, etc.

 

[debbiedowner]

Yep, she volunteered to be a active duty military social aide and it wasn't full time.

She volunteered as a White House military social aide, assisting in official functions, including Medal of Honor and Presidential Medal of Freedom ceremonies.

Pictures of a ceremony show Lobach escorting fashion designer Ralph Lauren as he received his Presidential Medal of Freedom from former President Joe Biden.

 

[debbiedowner]

People like you are exactly why her family didn't want her name released. Look at you. Smearing her already. You're one sick f**k.

Yep, most of his posts are conspiracy bullshit. Must make him feel big.

 

[BlackSand]

500 hours isn't bad at all. It takes a couple of years to get 500 hours in an aircraft, plus sim training, plus ground training, etc.

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Not to mention that wearing the goggles can lead to a significant loss of peripheral vision while in use ...
It would not be surprising if the pilot and co-pilot identified the wrong plane ...
And the whole incursion simply resulted in a tragic accident.

Even in a statistically 'perfect' condition ... There are still three failures in a thousand.
People say that 'all accidents can be avoided' ... Which is true ... But just as true as the fact even in statistically perfect conditions ...
They're still going to happen ...

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[tyroneweaver]

500 hours isn't bad at all. It takes a couple of years to get 500 hours in an aircraft, plus sim training, plus ground training, etc.

the accident seams to go against everything you've said.

 

[tyroneweaver]

Yep, most of his posts are conspiracy bullshit. Must make him feel big.

how does pilot error factor into conspiracy theories

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Are you kidding? If she was "DEI" as you put it they would be screeching it from every rooftop. It's the excuse they have been searching for.

You can’t hear the screeches? Turn off MSDNC

 

[westwall]

the accident seams to go against everything you've said.

The accident is a combination of events from what I have seen. The heli was half a mile off course, and 200 feet too high. The off course is not acceptable in any world, nor is the elevation discrepancy, I have no idea why those occurred. Instrument failure? Hacking of the flight controls? Incompetence?

I have no idea. The investigation will hopefully reveal the causes.

However, ATC bears a huge responsibility too. Releasing the controller early is unforgivable in that situation. Certain airports you might get away with it.

Not that airport.

 

[BlackSand]

the accident seams to go against everything you've said.

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If that's what you desire to believe ... Your belief will influence the way you view the evidence ...
And that is most likely the conclusion you will come to.

It's a process that doesn't involve critical thinking and self-awareness ...
In a natural attempt verify the answer you have already created ... By accepting the things that agree with your answer ...
And paying less attention to possible variables that may provide you with a different answer.

Sometimes the point of origin is not entirely prior to viewing the evidence ... But is still based on how easy it is to accept
as how well it dovetails with what you want to believe.

Even worse ... You will be convinced you have evaluated everything properly ...
Because you found the evidence and reasoning that supports your conclusion.

But no offense ... Everyone is inclined to do it ... And you literally have to train yourself not to.

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[BlackSand]

The accident is a combination of events from what I have seen. The heli was half a mile off course, and 200 feet too high. The off course is not acceptable in any world, nor is the elevation discrepancy, I have no idea why those occurred. Instrument failure? Hacking of the flight controls? Incompetence?

I have no idea. The investigation will hopefully reveal the causes.

However, ATC bears a huge responsibility too. Releasing the controller early is unforgivable in that situation. Certain airports you might get away with it.

Not that airport.

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If I had to find a possible problem in the system ... Associated with policies that just created difficulties and that could contribute ...
I would have to include that at Reagan they use separate frequencies from the tower for fixed wing and rotor aircraft.

Among many other complications that could have occurred ... The helicopter was aware another aircraft existed ...
But they were unable to hear instructions from the tower to the plane ...
That may have provided them with a more accurate ability to visually locate the actual plane in question.

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[Natural Citizen]

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Among many other complications that could have occurred ... The helicopter was aware another aircraft existed ...
But they were unable to hear instructions from the tower to the plane ...
That may have provided them with a more accurate ability to visually locate the actual plane in question.

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Occam's razor...

 

[tyroneweaver]

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If that's what you desire to believe ... Your belief will influence the way you view the evidence ...
And that is most likely the conclusion you will come to.

It's a process that doesn't involve critical thinking and self-awareness ...
In a natural attempt verify the answer you have already created ... By accepting the things that agree with your answer ...
And paying less attention to possible variables that may provide you with a different answer.

Sometimes the point of origin is not entirely prior to viewing the evidence ... But is still based on how easy it is to accept
as how well it dovetails with what you want to believe.

Even worse ... You will be convinced you have evaluated everything properly ...
Because you found the evidence and reasoning that supports your conclusion.

But no offense ... Everyone is inclined to do it ... And you literally have to train yourself not to.

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The tower told them to be visual, a BH doing 180 knots is pointed downward they couldn’t looke up cuz the cab blocked their view

 

[westwall]

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If I had to find a possible problem in the system ... Associated with policies that just created difficulties and that could contribute ...
I would have to include that at Reagan they use separate frequencies from the tower for fixed wing and rotor aircraft.

Among many other complications that could have occurred ... The helicopter was aware another aircraft existed ...
But they were unable to hear instructions from the tower to the plane ...
That may have provided them with a more accurate ability to visually locate the actual plane in question.

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That's normal. There is a ground controller, a helicopter controller, and a fixed wing controller. The ATC let a controller go, so they were doing both jobs. During the day, if you're super competent, ok.

Never at night.