Black republicans...who are they really?

[LaDexter]

The question of this topic is who are the Black Republicans?

A: decent, honest, patriotic, intelligent blacks who understand

1) the Democratic Party, the party of slavery, segregation, the Confederacy, and reverse-discrimination, are not their friends, but rather use race to scare and get votes
2) Black America has largely seen the black family destroyed by the Democratic Party welfare state
3) Affirmative Action is discrimination and does not produce "equality" - Exhibit A being Obama, who has received preferential treatment his entire life despite he and his ancestors never suffering any American discrimination
4) A welfare check isn't much different than Uncle Tom's Cabin
5) Big government is always corrupt and kleptocratic
6) Democrats lie, and lie, and lie and lie
7) Black Democrats deliberately tossed Black Republican ballots in FLA 2000

 

[nat4900]

I don't know why you hate. Please tell us what drives your hate. My best hunch is that RW hate is generated in the masses by media brainwashing. The anger of the RW White male is well publicized and that history is punctuated with terrorism and violence.

Democrats are a cross section of America who recognize the threat angry RW White males pose. Blacks are included in the democratic front by choice. Blacks, Jews, Asians, and many White liberals know that if they are divided politically they will have lost their collective political clout and subsequently be subjected to the vengeance of the armed and dangerous angry RW White male.

Well, my friend, last year when I chose to join this forum, I was actually under the impression that it was mixed in posters' ideologies.......Instead, I find that this forum is mostly a snake-pit of right wing hatred with the vast majority of posters on here just spewing caustic and angry vitriol.

Ultimately, Obama's 2 terms in office have helped to erase that thin veil of decency among some (not all) right wingers and made the manifestation of hatred toward liberal ideals, somewhat acceptable and even encouraged.

 

[kaz]

Blacks are actually capable of being treated like whites

There are few, if any, folks asserting that blacks aren't capable of being "treated like whites." Hell, my cats are capable of being treated that way, so is a rock. Being "treated like whites," however, is an activity that whites must exhibit, not merely talk about exhibiting. It's also an action that blacks cannot alone make whites perform. Accordingly, what blacks are capable of being treated like is irrelevant until they are convinced they've been treated that way.

Read my post and perhaps you'll understand why so many blacks don't feel as though that are even now treated that way by whites in general, even though there are surely white folks in blacks' lives who do treat them equitably. If/when white Americans universally, or nearly so, "walk that walk" as well as "talk that that," there's a good chance blacks will believe that they are indeed being treated equally and share equally in the bounty of opportunity the U.S. offers.

The Democrats in this thread are all arguing blacks aren't capable of being treated like whites. When Obama is treated like a white liberal, that's racism. That's the argument

 

[kaz]

And why do we hate Joe Biden, John Kerry, Bill Clinton, Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, Hillary Clinton and Tom Daschle so much again? They're white. You people are the ones who treat blacks differently because they are black. If you want to fight racism, I'd start with the man in the mirror. Blacks are actually capable of being treated like whites

I don't know why you hate. Please tell us what drives your hate. My best hunch is that RW hate is generated in the masses by media brainwashing. The anger of the RW White male is well publicized and that history is punctuated with terrorism and violence.

Democrats are a cross section of America who recognize the threat angry RW White males pose. Blacks are included in the democratic front by choice. Blacks, Jews, Asians, and many White liberals know that if they are divided politically they will have lost their collective political clout and subsequently be subjected to the vengeance of the armed and dangerous angry RW White male.

Fallacy of equivocation

 

[Unkotare]

False choice.

Try not to strain your remaining brain cells too much with those "eloquent" responses.....Perhaps you should go take a nap now?

Perhaps you should stop trying to pass off your hyper-partisan, subjective bullshit as 'fact.'

 

[320 Years of History]

Blacks are actually capable of being treated like whites

There are few, if any, folks asserting that blacks aren't capable of being "treated like whites." Hell, my cats are capable of being treated that way, so is a rock. Being "treated like whites," however, is an activity that whites must exhibit, not merely talk about exhibiting. It's also an action that blacks cannot alone make whites perform. Accordingly, what blacks are capable of being treated like is irrelevant until they are convinced they've been treated that way.

Read my post and perhaps you'll understand why so many blacks don't feel as though that are even now treated that way by whites in general, even though there are surely white folks in blacks' lives who do treat them equitably. If/when white Americans universally, or nearly so, "walk that walk" as well as "talk that that," there's a good chance blacks will believe that they are indeed being treated equally and share equally in the bounty of opportunity the U.S. offers.

The Democrats in this thread are all arguing blacks aren't capable of being treated like whites. When Obama is treated like a white liberal, that's racism. That's the argument

Well, I guess that just goes to show that liberals are as capable of making/having absurd remarks/views as are non-liberals.

 

[kaz]

Blacks are actually capable of being treated like whites

Yes, THAT IS JUST WHAT BLACKS AND JEWS ARE AFRAID OF:

Getting lectured by you about "hate" is classic, Adolph

 

[nat4900]

The Democrats in this thread are all arguing blacks aren't capable of being treated like whites.

if THAT is all you got from this thread.......It may be time for you to have another enema.

 

[nat4900]

Perhaps you should stop trying to pass off your hyper-partisan, subjective bullshit as 'fact.'

Starting with my O/P and in many of my subsequent ones, I posed my OPINION...never claimed that my hypotheses were based on fact.......if they were based on indisputable evidence, you'd be too ashamed of being on here.

 

[kaz]

The Democrats in this thread are all arguing blacks aren't capable of being treated like whites.

if THAT is all you got from this thread.......It may be time for you to have another enema.

That's all you've presented in this thread. Obama is treated like the who's who list of white Democrats, you can't do that! It's racist!

In hindsight, maybe that frontal lobotomy you had was a mistake. I know, I know, hindsight is 20/20 and all that ...

 

[kaz]

Perhaps you should stop trying to pass off your hyper-partisan, subjective bullshit as 'fact.'

Starting with my O/P and in many of my subsequent ones, I posed my OPINION...never claimed that my hypotheses were based on fact.......if they were based on indisputable evidence, you'd be too ashamed of being on here.

You've been very clear and convincing. You look down on blacks, you think they aren't able to handle what whites can. You're a racist piece of shit

 

[nat4900]

You've been very clear and convincing. You look down on blacks, they aren't able to handle what whites can. You're a racist piece of shit

Excellent projection.......Unfortunately YOU have to live with yourself.

 

[kaz]

You've been very clear and convincing. You look down on blacks, they aren't able to handle what whites can. You're a racist piece of shit

Excellent projection.......Unfortunately YOU have to live with yourself.

I criticize the black President so much because I think blacks can't handle what whites can? That doesn't even make sense. Remember how you chastised bear for spelling gerrymandering ... correctly? Or when you didn't grasp my post to you was sarcasm when an eight year old would have seen that? You're on a roll, gnat

 

[beagle9]

So, what would make someone who is black and relatively intelligent, embrace the GOP platform that is often enmeshed in policies that are not for the betterment of the black voting bloc?

...SOME blacks who have chosen to embrace right wing policies may do so because the notoriety gained by such a stance is much more self serving than to be one of the vast majority of blacks who side with the left ideology. In other words, if you want to get on the FOX channels or the Rush radio talk shows, your chances are vastly improved if you claim that you are an arch conservative AND black.

Red:
Well now, you've asked a question that can't really be answered coherently and cogently in a few short sentences. I'll do my best to try answering in fewer words than have the authors of books on the topic have used, but there's not a pat answer to your question.

My answer to your question is that the reasons are quite possibly as varied as there are blacks who are Republican. Despite the potential for causal variability regarding why some blacks are members of the GOP, there are several extant traits within the black community that are consistent with conservative viewpoints.

Dr. Leah Rigueur writes:

After the alliance between African Americans and the “party of Lincoln” disintegrated in 1936, some African Americans remained in the party for a variety of reasons. Most of those who remained did so because they embraced traditional conservative principles: self-determination, free-market enterprise, “bootstrap philosophy,” personal responsibility and accountability, and individualism. Even beyond the boundaries of partisanship, there’s a strain of black conservatism— moral, religious, social, and economic—that runs through African American communities, even though this conservatism rarely translates into votes for the Republican Party.​

Your question, and considering sensible answers to it, divulges interesting lines of sociopolitical thought; however, approaching the answer from alternate vantage points may be more useful in helping one arrive at a credible answer than is doing so from the one your quandary bids. History and cultural core values notwithstanding, I think past and current political voting motivations among blacks derives first and foremost derives first from their blackness and second from the factors noted in the prior paragraph, at least in the U.S.

The American experience of blacks, regardless of what they as individuals or collectively may mostly perceive about economics, morality, social interactions and so on, has been such that they feel forced to act politically (upon being permitted to do so without reprisal or disenfranchisement due to "Jim Crow" practices and provisos) with a mindset of "we" rather than "I."

Why blacks, in large measure, came to act collectively should not be hard to fathom. It's what any group of humans do when confronted with opposition deriving from that which the group members alone as individuals cannot alter, often not on behalf of themselves and never on behalf of their race as a whole. White people, in my experience, do not think in terms of "we." White people have the privilege to interact with the social and political structures of our society as individuals. Whites are often not directly affected by racial oppression even in their own community, so what does not affect whites locally has little chance of affecting them regionally or nationally. They have no need, nor often any real desire, to think in terms of a group, in terms of "we." They are and have always been supported, or at the very least not unsupported, by the system, and so are mostly unaffected by it.

Blacks realized rightly then that they had to use all of their resources to secure some semblance of social, political and legal parity with their white countrymen. Blacks don't see a shooting of an innocent black child in another state as something separate from themselves because they know viscerally that it could be their own child, parent, or themselves, who is shot. For example, the shooting of Walter Scott in North Charleston resonated with many blacks because Walter Scott was portrayed in the media as a deadbeat and a criminal,  but when those blacks -- blacks who had no connection with Mr. Scott other than their also being black -- look at the facts about the actual man, he was nearly indistinguishable from my themselves or their brother, sister, friend, mother or father. In that regard, racism affects blacks directly because the fact that it happened at a geographically remote location or to another Black person is only a coincidence, an accident. It could just as easily happen to any given black person, wherever they are, right here, right now.

Only to their continued detriment did blacks discard that tool of "bloc voting." "Block voting" regrettably resulted in blacks to some degree marginalizing themselves, thereby in part themselves creating the situation the Black Lives Matters movement today decries: that blacks' reliably voting for Democrats has come to be taken as a given rather than something that needs to be earned. That said, in the post-Johnson years, the GOP hasn't espoused policies that helped blacks achieve the parity they've longed for since arriving in the U.S. Even more regrettably, superficial and supercilious observers overlook an extant distinction between the circumstance of blacks' application of the tactics in comparison and contrast with that of whites.

One may use a sharp knife for more than carving the Thanksgiving turkey. It's not entirely far fetched to see that blacks have in part adopted the very tactics, if not the bigoted philosophy that underpinned them, they most despised. The same collectivity that blacks exploited to their advantage in their quest for equality of opportunity is also a tool white supremacists use to advance their aims. There is, however, a critical difference: for hundreds of years whites have used that tool to assert and maintain their legal, political and social dominance over blacks based on nothing other than their whiteness whereas black have used it to obtain parity in a society dominated by whites, a society in which whites hold/held all the power.

The 250-odd year history of overt and covert racism and its impact, denial of the opportunity to realize one's full potential, created an environment of distrust of whites among blacks. That skepticism is not unwarranted. Klan members do, after all, wear hoods and full body gowns. It's not as though, as individuals, their bigotry has been openly expressed and owned, even though a small few Klansmen and other racists don't hide behind masks. The presence the KKK is an overt indication that racism exists. That it's impossible to know who in the community may indeed belong to the KKK forces those whom KKK members would disaffect makes continued distrust of potential members the safer stance to to take.

When somewhat bright political leaders and aspirants, people who routinely (or should) very carefully choose their words, remark ambiguous about matters racial rather than commenting unequivocally -- for example, "disavowing" what David Duke has to say rather than "denouncing" or "reprehending" him and what he has to say -- trust isn't built or maintained. The situation isn't made better when some conservatives do denounce such remarks and others attempt to cast them in a favorable or at least neutral light.

How is one, a black, to know what to think in such situations? At the very least, there is consistency in the nature and tone of remarks coming from other corners of the political spectrum. So unless one is a "dyed in the wool" conspiracy theorist, one is going to put one's hope in the group that seems universally not to create the same degree of doubt in one's mind, even if that group does not dispel all hints of doubt.

Given that the GOP has since the last half of the 20th century refrained from promoting policies that combined with repeatedly offered support for the GOP by white supremacist groups, in the minds of blacks, ameliorate their circumstance as blacks living in the U.S., many blacks simply don't trust conservatives, and especially the GOP. Blacks understandably find no basis for thinking the GOP, and presumably conservatives in general, offers much of anything to support their need and desire to share fully in the American Dream. The history of blacks in the U.S. has taught blacks to think and vote first as blacks and second, if at all as citizens with all the rights and opportunities appertaining to their white countrymen.


Note:
I think the circumstance is slightly different, however, for Libertarians than it is for Republicans, but above I've largely had Republicans in mind as I wrote my remarks. The GOP figured most in my mind because it is the largest conservative party.


Blue:
Wow! That's one hell of a lot of pride and greed you manage to ascribe to black conservatives. I cannot agree that either of those traits motivate the conservatism of the few black conservatives I know well enough to have an inkling of what spurs them to be Republicans.

. Note: Whites as a whole have not lived their lives trying to scheme, oppress, hold down, and destroy the black people. They have lived their lives trying to hold onto their culture, religion, principles in which they figured were reflective of their American culture & experience of these time periods. They (the white Americans of old), may have seen the blacks of old as a threat too everything they were at the time, and that the newest blacks who hold the old views of the past (vengeful and angry), are now a threat to what they believe is to be their culture now.

Both whites and blacks in the past have had very different cultures, and their desire was not for the cultures to be as one, but to realize that the free blacks were Americans just as they (the free Whites who had escaped by sea from the chains of England) are also free as Americans in America. Now over a long period of time, and as more of the cultures begin to come together, it is the yearning of the blacks to be assimilated into the brotherhood in which they saw the whites enjoying so much of and/or to be recognized as full citizens with total access just as well. They would not be denide these things any longer, even though huge progress has been made already, they still see that there is work to be done. Their were many whites who are Christian's, and are a morally good people, and they (these white Americans) are those who did not want to see the blacks as being outsiders any longer, so they helped push the agenda to get blacks assimilated completely into what was the full American experience, and into the broad American culture as full citizens, and to help get them the rights needed to be as American as anyone else were as Americans. It has worked, and there is much to be proud of, but on both sides beware, because their are those who hate just to hate, and they will never except the cultures coming together as one. They want and desire a seperation of the cultures, but agree that all are American at the same time.

Whenever there is culture clashes, the group's try to incite the past or attack one another on cultural grounds or lifestyle differences, etc. in which they do because they don't want certain cultural habits to become part of their cultural experience, but are ok with some cultural cross overs as long as they don't infringe on the main theme of the culture in which one or the other keeps as their identifier. Now culture is not based on race ever, and in fact ones race is never a factor in it all, but the cultures are definitely a factor in it all.

Black conservatives are doing great in the culture in which they have identified with (not based upon race), but they love it based upon them liking what the experience found in it all is. To be jealous of that, means there is much work in bringing the country together still left, and it can be done while recognizing the many different non-violent cultures in which make this nation unique all at the same time. Now one thing that has got to stop, and that is this attempt at trying to destroy one culture, and to replace it with another. That is a serious problem going on today in America.

 

[RandallFlagg]

Nope. Republicans looked at the candidate (unlike you lemmings) and decided to stay home. I promise you this: it will NOT happen this election cycle. Clinton will take an ass whipping, the likes of which have not been seen since George McGovern.

Well, after November....DO try to come up with a different screen name....LOL

You might want to begin looking for other handles for yourself....

 

[RandallFlagg]

So, what would make someone who is black and relatively intelligent, embrace the GOP platform that is often enmeshed in policies that are not for the betterment of the black voting bloc?

...SOME blacks who have chosen to embrace right wing policies may do so because the notoriety gained by such a stance is much more self serving than to be one of the vast majority of blacks who side with the left ideology. In other words, if you want to get on the FOX channels or the Rush radio talk shows, your chances are vastly improved if you claim that you are an arch conservative AND black.

Red:
Well now, you've asked a question that can't really be answered coherently and cogently in a few short sentences. I'll do my best to try answering in fewer words than have the authors of books on the topic have used, but there's not a pat answer to your question.

My answer to your question is that the reasons are quite possibly as varied as there are blacks who are Republican. Despite the potential for causal variability regarding why some blacks are members of the GOP, there are several extant traits within the black community that are consistent with conservative viewpoints.

Dr. Leah Rigueur writes:

After the alliance between African Americans and the “party of Lincoln” disintegrated in 1936, some African Americans remained in the party for a variety of reasons. Most of those who remained did so because they embraced traditional conservative principles: self-determination, free-market enterprise, “bootstrap philosophy,” personal responsibility and accountability, and individualism. Even beyond the boundaries of partisanship, there’s a strain of black conservatism— moral, religious, social, and economic—that runs through African American communities, even though this conservatism rarely translates into votes for the Republican Party.​

Your question, and considering sensible answers to it, divulges interesting lines of sociopolitical thought; however, approaching the answer from alternate vantage points may be more useful in helping one arrive at a credible answer than is doing so from the one your quandary bids. History and cultural core values notwithstanding, I think past and current political voting motivations among blacks derives first and foremost derives first from their blackness and second from the factors noted in the prior paragraph, at least in the U.S.

The American experience of blacks, regardless of what they as individuals or collectively may mostly perceive about economics, morality, social interactions and so on, has been such that they feel forced to act politically (upon being permitted to do so without reprisal or disenfranchisement due to "Jim Crow" practices and provisos) with a mindset of "we" rather than "I."

Why blacks, in large measure, came to act collectively should not be hard to fathom. It's what any group of humans do when confronted with opposition deriving from that which the group members alone as individuals cannot alter, often not on behalf of themselves and never on behalf of their race as a whole. White people, in my experience, do not think in terms of "we." White people have the privilege to interact with the social and political structures of our society as individuals. Whites are often not directly affected by racial oppression even in their own community, so what does not affect whites locally has little chance of affecting them regionally or nationally. They have no need, nor often any real desire, to think in terms of a group, in terms of "we." They are and have always been supported, or at the very least not unsupported, by the system, and so are mostly unaffected by it.

Blacks realized rightly then that they had to use all of their resources to secure some semblance of social, political and legal parity with their white countrymen. Blacks don't see a shooting of an innocent black child in another state as something separate from themselves because they know viscerally that it could be their own child, parent, or themselves, who is shot. For example, the shooting of Walter Scott in North Charleston resonated with many blacks because Walter Scott was portrayed in the media as a deadbeat and a criminal,  but when those blacks -- blacks who had no connection with Mr. Scott other than their also being black -- look at the facts about the actual man, he was nearly indistinguishable from my themselves or their brother, sister, friend, mother or father. In that regard, racism affects blacks directly because the fact that it happened at a geographically remote location or to another Black person is only a coincidence, an accident. It could just as easily happen to any given black person, wherever they are, right here, right now.

Only to their continued detriment did blacks discard that tool of "bloc voting." "Block voting" regrettably resulted in blacks to some degree marginalizing themselves, thereby in part themselves creating the situation the Black Lives Matters movement today decries: that blacks' reliably voting for Democrats has come to be taken as a given rather than something that needs to be earned. That said, in the post-Johnson years, the GOP hasn't espoused policies that helped blacks achieve the parity they've longed for since arriving in the U.S. Even more regrettably, superficial and supercilious observers overlook an extant distinction between the circumstance of blacks' application of the tactics in comparison and contrast with that of whites.

One may use a sharp knife for more than carving the Thanksgiving turkey. It's not entirely far fetched to see that blacks have in part adopted the very tactics, if not the bigoted philosophy that underpinned them, they most despised. The same collectivity that blacks exploited to their advantage in their quest for equality of opportunity is also a tool white supremacists use to advance their aims. There is, however, a critical difference: for hundreds of years whites have used that tool to assert and maintain their legal, political and social dominance over blacks based on nothing other than their whiteness whereas black have used it to obtain parity in a society dominated by whites, a society in which whites hold/held all the power.

The 250-odd year history of overt and covert racism and its impact, denial of the opportunity to realize one's full potential, created an environment of distrust of whites among blacks. That skepticism is not unwarranted. Klan members do, after all, wear hoods and full body gowns. It's not as though, as individuals, their bigotry has been openly expressed and owned, even though a small few Klansmen and other racists don't hide behind masks. The presence the KKK is an overt indication that racism exists. That it's impossible to know who in the community may indeed belong to the KKK forces those whom KKK members would disaffect makes continued distrust of potential members the safer stance to to take.

When somewhat bright political leaders and aspirants, people who routinely (or should) very carefully choose their words, remark ambiguous about matters racial rather than commenting unequivocally -- for example, "disavowing" what David Duke has to say rather than "denouncing" or "reprehending" him and what he has to say -- trust isn't built or maintained. The situation isn't made better when some conservatives do denounce such remarks and others attempt to cast them in a favorable or at least neutral light.

How is one, a black, to know what to think in such situations? At the very least, there is consistency in the nature and tone of remarks coming from other corners of the political spectrum. So unless one is a "dyed in the wool" conspiracy theorist, one is going to put one's hope in the group that seems universally not to create the same degree of doubt in one's mind, even if that group does not dispel all hints of doubt.

Given that the GOP has since the last half of the 20th century refrained from promoting policies that combined with repeatedly offered support for the GOP by white supremacist groups, in the minds of blacks, ameliorate their circumstance as blacks living in the U.S., many blacks simply don't trust conservatives, and especially the GOP. Blacks understandably find no basis for thinking the GOP, and presumably conservatives in general, offers much of anything to support their need and desire to share fully in the American Dream. The history of blacks in the U.S. has taught blacks to think and vote first as blacks and second, if at all as citizens with all the rights and opportunities appertaining to their white countrymen.


Note:
I think the circumstance is slightly different, however, for Libertarians than it is for Republicans, but above I've largely had Republicans in mind as I wrote my remarks. The GOP figured most in my mind because it is the largest conservative party.


Blue:
Wow! That's one hell of a lot of pride and greed you manage to ascribe to black conservatives. I cannot agree that either of those traits motivate the conservatism of the few black conservatives I know well enough to have an inkling of what spurs them to be Republicans.

. Note: Whites as a whole have not lived their lives trying to scheme, oppress, hold down, and destroy the black people. They have lived their lives trying to hold onto their culture, religion, principles in which they figured were reflective of their American culture & experience of these time periods. They (the white Americans of old), may have seen the blacks of old as a threat too everything they were at the time, and that the newest blacks who hold the old views of the past (vengeful and angry), are now a threat to what they believe is to be their culture now. Both whites and blacks in the past have had very different cultures, and their desire was not for the cultures to be as one, but to realize that the free blacks were Americans just as they (the free Whites who had escaped by sea from the chains of England) are also free in America. Now over a long period of time, and as more of the cultures begin to come together, it is the yearning of the blacks to be assimilated into the brotherhood in which they saw the whites enjoying so much of and/or to be recognized as full citizens with total access just as well. They would not be denide these things any longer, even though huge progress has been made already, they still see that there is work to be done. Their were many whites who are Christian's, and are a morally good people, and they are those who did not want to see the blacks as being outsiders any longer, so they helped push the agenda to get blacks assimilated completely into what was the full American experience, and into the American culture as full citizens, and to get them the rights needed to be as American as anyone else were as Americans. It has worked, and there is much to be proud of, but on both sides beware, because their are those who hate just to hate, and they will never except the cultures coming together as one. They want and desire a desperation of the cultures, but agree that all are American. Whenever there is culture clashes, the group's try to incite the past or attack one another on cultural grounds or lifestyle differences, etc. in which they do because they don't want certain cultural habits to become part of their cultural experience, but are ok with some cultural cross overs as long as they don't infringe on the main theme of the culture in which one or the other keeps as their identifier. Now culture is not based on race ever, and in fact ones race is never a factor in it all, but the cultures are definitely a factor in it all. Black conservatives are doing great in the culture in which they have identified with (not based upon race), but they love it based upon them liking what the experience found in it all is. To be jealous of that, means there is much work in bringing the country together still left, and it can be done while recognizing the many different non-violent cultures in which make this nation unique all at the same time. Now one thing that has got to stop, and that is to try and destroy one culture, and to replace it with another. That is a serious problem going on today in America.

In all honesty, I'm nearly 73 years old. Could you possible separate your paragraphs, It is extremely hard to read like that. Thanks!

 

[JQPublic1]

1) the Democratic Party, the party of slavery, segregation, the Confederacy, and reverse-discrimination, are not their friends, but rather use race to scare and get votes

Did you know the Democratic and Republican parties started out as the same party, the Democratic-Republican Party? Thus the Republicans share the blame for their part in maintaining that institution in the 18th century. don't bother telling me about subsequent changes in philosophy by Republicans. You have ready set the precedent by saying that such changes don't apply to today's democrats. Therefore….. the Republicans are just as guilty.

2) Black America has largely seen the black family destroyed by the Democratic Party welfare state

That is a lie. Most Blacks are not on welfare.

3) Affirmative Action is discrimination and does not produce "equality" - Exhibit A being Obama, who has received preferential treatment his entire life despite he and his ancestors never suffering any American discrimination

Affirmative Action is not a quota system. AA is simply a tool to find qualified White women and minorities for consideration in hiring and educational pursuits. The Bakke decision made quotas illegal and also served as a blueprint for Whites to address their concerns about reverse discrimination. There haven't been many stepping up to challenge AA because their "qualifications' are lower or equal to the Black who got in ahead of them.

4) A welfare check isn't much different than Uncle Tom's Cabin

You have a distorted view of the Black middle class. They make up the majority and work for a living.

5) Big government is always corrupt and kleptocratic

I can't agree with that undocumented assertion. The top 10% are more likely to meet your definition of "kleptocratic" since they own most of the wealth.

6) Democrats lie, and lie, and lie and lie

I don't usually place a gender on personification of lies but yours are the MOTHER of lies.

7) Black Democrats deliberately tossed Black Rep

But the Republicans won the battle of corruption with that hanging chad strategy.

 

[320 Years of History]

So, what would make someone who is black and relatively intelligent, embrace the GOP platform that is often enmeshed in policies that are not for the betterment of the black voting bloc?

...SOME blacks who have chosen to embrace right wing policies may do so because the notoriety gained by such a stance is much more self serving than to be one of the vast majority of blacks who side with the left ideology. In other words, if you want to get on the FOX channels or the Rush radio talk shows, your chances are vastly improved if you claim that you are an arch conservative AND black.

Red:
Well now, you've asked a question that can't really be answered coherently and cogently in a few short sentences. I'll do my best to try answering in fewer words than have the authors of books on the topic have used, but there's not a pat answer to your question.

My answer to your question is that the reasons are quite possibly as varied as there are blacks who are Republican. Despite the potential for causal variability regarding why some blacks are members of the GOP, there are several extant traits within the black community that are consistent with conservative viewpoints.

Dr. Leah Rigueur writes:

After the alliance between African Americans and the “party of Lincoln” disintegrated in 1936, some African Americans remained in the party for a variety of reasons. Most of those who remained did so because they embraced traditional conservative principles: self-determination, free-market enterprise, “bootstrap philosophy,” personal responsibility and accountability, and individualism. Even beyond the boundaries of partisanship, there’s a strain of black conservatism— moral, religious, social, and economic—that runs through African American communities, even though this conservatism rarely translates into votes for the Republican Party.​

Your question, and considering sensible answers to it, divulges interesting lines of sociopolitical thought; however, approaching the answer from alternate vantage points may be more useful in helping one arrive at a credible answer than is doing so from the one your quandary bids. History and cultural core values notwithstanding, I think past and current political voting motivations among blacks derives first and foremost derives first from their blackness and second from the factors noted in the prior paragraph, at least in the U.S.

The American experience of blacks, regardless of what they as individuals or collectively may mostly perceive about economics, morality, social interactions and so on, has been such that they feel forced to act politically (upon being permitted to do so without reprisal or disenfranchisement due to "Jim Crow" practices and provisos) with a mindset of "we" rather than "I."

Why blacks, in large measure, came to act collectively should not be hard to fathom. It's what any group of humans do when confronted with opposition deriving from that which the group members alone as individuals cannot alter, often not on behalf of themselves and never on behalf of their race as a whole. White people, in my experience, do not think in terms of "we." White people have the privilege to interact with the social and political structures of our society as individuals. Whites are often not directly affected by racial oppression even in their own community, so what does not affect whites locally has little chance of affecting them regionally or nationally. They have no need, nor often any real desire, to think in terms of a group, in terms of "we." They are and have always been supported, or at the very least not unsupported, by the system, and so are mostly unaffected by it.

Blacks realized rightly then that they had to use all of their resources to secure some semblance of social, political and legal parity with their white countrymen. Blacks don't see a shooting of an innocent black child in another state as something separate from themselves because they know viscerally that it could be their own child, parent, or themselves, who is shot. For example, the shooting of Walter Scott in North Charleston resonated with many blacks because Walter Scott was portrayed in the media as a deadbeat and a criminal,  but when those blacks -- blacks who had no connection with Mr. Scott other than their also being black -- look at the facts about the actual man, he was nearly indistinguishable from my themselves or their brother, sister, friend, mother or father. In that regard, racism affects blacks directly because the fact that it happened at a geographically remote location or to another Black person is only a coincidence, an accident. It could just as easily happen to any given black person, wherever they are, right here, right now.

Only to their continued detriment did blacks discard that tool of "bloc voting." "Block voting" regrettably resulted in blacks to some degree marginalizing themselves, thereby in part themselves creating the situation the Black Lives Matters movement today decries: that blacks' reliably voting for Democrats has come to be taken as a given rather than something that needs to be earned. That said, in the post-Johnson years, the GOP hasn't espoused policies that helped blacks achieve the parity they've longed for since arriving in the U.S. Even more regrettably, superficial and supercilious observers overlook an extant distinction between the circumstance of blacks' application of the tactics in comparison and contrast with that of whites.

One may use a sharp knife for more than carving the Thanksgiving turkey. It's not entirely far fetched to see that blacks have in part adopted the very tactics, if not the bigoted philosophy that underpinned them, they most despised. The same collectivity that blacks exploited to their advantage in their quest for equality of opportunity is also a tool white supremacists use to advance their aims. There is, however, a critical difference: for hundreds of years whites have used that tool to assert and maintain their legal, political and social dominance over blacks based on nothing other than their whiteness whereas black have used it to obtain parity in a society dominated by whites, a society in which whites hold/held all the power.

The 250-odd year history of overt and covert racism and its impact, denial of the opportunity to realize one's full potential, created an environment of distrust of whites among blacks. That skepticism is not unwarranted. Klan members do, after all, wear hoods and full body gowns. It's not as though, as individuals, their bigotry has been openly expressed and owned, even though a small few Klansmen and other racists don't hide behind masks. The presence the KKK is an overt indication that racism exists. That it's impossible to know who in the community may indeed belong to the KKK forces those whom KKK members would disaffect makes continued distrust of potential members the safer stance to to take.

When somewhat bright political leaders and aspirants, people who routinely (or should) very carefully choose their words, remark ambiguous about matters racial rather than commenting unequivocally -- for example, "disavowing" what David Duke has to say rather than "denouncing" or "reprehending" him and what he has to say -- trust isn't built or maintained. The situation isn't made better when some conservatives do denounce such remarks and others attempt to cast them in a favorable or at least neutral light.

How is one, a black, to know what to think in such situations? At the very least, there is consistency in the nature and tone of remarks coming from other corners of the political spectrum. So unless one is a "dyed in the wool" conspiracy theorist, one is going to put one's hope in the group that seems universally not to create the same degree of doubt in one's mind, even if that group does not dispel all hints of doubt.

Given that the GOP has since the last half of the 20th century refrained from promoting policies that combined with repeatedly offered support for the GOP by white supremacist groups, in the minds of blacks, ameliorate their circumstance as blacks living in the U.S., many blacks simply don't trust conservatives, and especially the GOP. Blacks understandably find no basis for thinking the GOP, and presumably conservatives in general, offers much of anything to support their need and desire to share fully in the American Dream. The history of blacks in the U.S. has taught blacks to think and vote first as blacks and second, if at all as citizens with all the rights and opportunities appertaining to their white countrymen.


Note:
I think the circumstance is slightly different, however, for Libertarians than it is for Republicans, but above I've largely had Republicans in mind as I wrote my remarks. The GOP figured most in my mind because it is the largest conservative party.


Blue:
Wow! That's one hell of a lot of pride and greed you manage to ascribe to black conservatives. I cannot agree that either of those traits motivate the conservatism of the few black conservatives I know well enough to have an inkling of what spurs them to be Republicans.

. Note: Whites as a whole have not lived their lives trying to scheme, oppress, hold down, and destroy the black people. They have lived their lives trying to hold onto their culture, religion, principles in which they figured were reflective of their American culture & experience of these time periods. They (the white Americans of old), may have seen the blacks of old as a threat too everything they were at the time, and that the newest blacks who hold the old views of the past (vengeful and angry), are now a threat to what they believe is to be their culture now. Both whites and blacks in the past have had very different cultures, and their desire was not for the cultures to be as one, but to realize that the free blacks were Americans just as they (the free Whites who had escaped by sea from the chains of England) are also free in America. Now over a long period of time, and as more of the cultures begin to come together, it is the yearning of the blacks to be assimilated into the brotherhood in which they saw the whites enjoying so much of and/or to be recognized as full citizens with total access just as well. They would not be denide these things any longer, even though huge progress has been made already, they still see that there is work to be done. Their were many whites who are Christian's, and are a morally good people, and they are those who did not want to see the blacks as being outsiders any longer, so they helped push the agenda to get blacks assimilated completely into what was the full American experience, and into the American culture as full citizens, and to get them the rights needed to be as American as anyone else were as Americans. It has worked, and there is much to be proud of, but on both sides beware, because their are those who hate just to hate, and they will never except the cultures coming together as one. They want and desire a desperation of the cultures, but agree that all are American. Whenever there is culture clashes, the group's try to incite the past or attack one another on cultural grounds or lifestyle differences, etc. in which they do because they don't want certain cultural habits to become part of their cultural experience, but are ok with some cultural cross overs as long as they don't infringe on the main theme of the culture in which one or the other keeps as their identifier. Now culture is not based on race ever, and in fact ones race is never a factor in it all, but the cultures are definitely a factor in it all. Black conservatives are doing great in the culture in which they have identified with (not based upon race), but they love it based upon them liking what the experience found in it all is. To be jealous of that, means there is much work in bringing the country together still left, and it can be done while recognizing the many different non-violent cultures in which make this nation unique all at the same time. Now one thing that has got to stop, and that is to try and destroy one culture, and to replace it with another. That is a serious problem going on today in America.

In all honesty, I'm nearly 73 years old. Could you possible separate your paragraphs, It is extremely hard to read like that. Thanks!

Thank you. I was about to type exactly the same request (save for the part about being 73 years old). I didn't read that post purely because of the difficulty the lack of paragraphs presents. It's hard enough to follow the thoughts of many writers on this site, what with poor spelling, poor grammar, etc. The lack of paragraph organization makes it even more challenging, to the point that I won't read such posts.

 

[BlackAsCoal]

Posting the thoughts of ONE black person or even a few hardly refutes the FACT that blacks don't/won't vote for republicans in large numbers because we know republicans hate us .. and we hate them.

Thanks again.

Question: WHY DO REPUBLICANS WHINE LIKE STUCK PIGS ABOUT WHO WE VOTE FOR??????

You hate us .. cool .. we hate you.

What's the problem? :0)

When did I ever refute that blacks won't vote for Republicans? As for Professor Williams, those are not only his thoughts, it's also history.

If you ask a black person how he or she votes, they will tell you Democrat.

Ask them why, and they will tell you that Democrats are for the little people.

Ask who told them that, and they will tell you Democrat politicians.

I've always looked at Democrat voters as weak minded people; able to be brainwashed at any given time. They are told what to think, but not why they should think it.

blacks don't/won't vote for republicans in large numbers because we know republicans hate us .. and we hate them.

So if you weren't brainwashed, how did you come to the conclusion that Republicans hate all black people?

Read the thread.

OBVIOUSLY republicans hate us .. but no one is asking for your friendship, companionship, or support. OBVIOUSLY your hate is returned.

I don't give a rats ass how you look at democrats or anybody else .. nor do I give a fuck who you vote for. You won't find threads in black forums asking why dumb ass white people vote for the Republican Party. We don't care who you vote for or why.

Republicans have made their own bed of hate .. now go lay in it. :0)

By the way .. I'm not a democrat.

 

[JQPublic1]

I don't know why you hate. Please tell us what drives your hate. My best hunch is that RW hate is generated in the masses by media brainwashing. The anger of the RW White male is well publicized and that history is punctuated with terrorism and violence.

Democrats are a cross section of America who recognize the threat angry RW White males pose. Blacks are included in the democratic front by choice. Blacks, Jews, Asians, and many White liberals know that if they are divided politically they will have lost their collective political clout and subsequently be subjected to the vengeance of the armed and dangerous angry RW White male.

Well, my friend, last year when I chose to join this forum, I was actually under the impression that it was mixed in posters' ideologies.......Instead, I find that this forum is mostly a snake-pit of right wing hatred with the vast majority of posters on here just spewing caustic and angry vitriol.

Ultimately, Obama's 2 terms in office have helped to erase that thin veil of decency among some (not all) right wingers and made the manifestation of hatred toward liberal ideals, somewhat acceptable and even encouraged.

My sentiments exactly. And USMB is just the tip of the RW iceberg. Every where you go…on any major board, the hate and vitriol from the right validates everything I have been saying.