black pride vs white pride

[Correll]

That is NOT the meaning of that word.

You're right. Merriam Websters (I take it Sassy won't object to that site?) defines it:
racism
Simple Definition of racism

• : poor treatment of or violence against people because of their race
• : the belief that some races of people are better than others
• Full Definition of racism
• 1 : a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race

1. 2 : racial prejudice or discrimination

So if you want to argue that liberals believe that minority races are inherently superior to whites and better than whites, you can. However, I don't usually see that type of attitude. Maybe I'm just moving in the wrong circles.

YOu stated that "whites in America can't call minorities and liberals racist, because racism DOES mean the dominant culture believing it is superior to others".


This is obviously NOT true when you look at what the word actually means.

Whites can CERTAINLY calls various minorities and liberals racist if they, for example, "treat whites poorly because of their race".

THere is no need for blacks or liberals to be the "dominate culture" before they can be racist.

That was you looking for a reason to give black and liberal racists a pass.

I see that like most uneducated people you tend to believe the definition of a word is the end all be all. You also need to research the etymology of a word before discerning its true meaning. Racism is a system based on racist beliefs. Hence "race" and "ism". Only the dominant culture can maintain racism. Black people cannot practice racism because they own zero systems/resources in the US.

Nonsense designed to give you and racists like you a pass.

YOu don't need a "System" or resources to hate someone.

Or to act on it.


AND thus treat someone "poorly" because of their race and by doing so meet the definition of "racist".

I never said you need a system or resources to hate someone. I've talked to you about your poor reading comprehension before. I said you need ownership of they systems and resources to practice racism. For example. If i own the legal system I can make laws that punish one race unfairly like for example the crack laws that arrested more Blacks than white heroin users/dealers.

THose laws were requested BY BLACK LEADERS to provide more protection for their black communities.

AND as I said, you still don't need to control shit in order to act on the hate and racism you feel.

All you need is an opportunity.

We have discussed random violence against Whites. You support that.

There are few examples of "poor treatment" more clear cut than random violent attacks.

AND yes, I do recall that you spun some weak justifications for that attacks, in order to tell yourself they were justified.

 

[Asclepias]

You're right. Merriam Websters (I take it Sassy won't object to that site?) defines it:
racism
Simple Definition of racism

• : poor treatment of or violence against people because of their race
• : the belief that some races of people are better than others
• Full Definition of racism
• 1 : a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race

1. 2 : racial prejudice or discrimination

So if you want to argue that liberals believe that minority races are inherently superior to whites and better than whites, you can. However, I don't usually see that type of attitude. Maybe I'm just moving in the wrong circles.

YOu stated that "whites in America can't call minorities and liberals racist, because racism DOES mean the dominant culture believing it is superior to others".


This is obviously NOT true when you look at what the word actually means.

Whites can CERTAINLY calls various minorities and liberals racist if they, for example, "treat whites poorly because of their race".

THere is no need for blacks or liberals to be the "dominate culture" before they can be racist.

That was you looking for a reason to give black and liberal racists a pass.

I see that like most uneducated people you tend to believe the definition of a word is the end all be all. You also need to research the etymology of a word before discerning its true meaning. Racism is a system based on racist beliefs. Hence "race" and "ism". Only the dominant culture can maintain racism. Black people cannot practice racism because they own zero systems/resources in the US.

Nonsense designed to give you and racists like you a pass.

YOu don't need a "System" or resources to hate someone.

Or to act on it.


AND thus treat someone "poorly" because of their race and by doing so meet the definition of "racist".

I never said you need a system or resources to hate someone. I've talked to you about your poor reading comprehension before. I said you need ownership of they systems and resources to practice racism. For example. If i own the legal system I can make laws that punish one race unfairly like for example the crack laws that arrested more Blacks than white heroin users/dealers.

THose laws were requested BY BLACK LEADERS to provide more protection for their black communities.

AND as I said, you still don't need to control shit in order to act on the hate and racism you feel.

All you need is an opportunity.

We have discussed random violence against Whites. You support that.

There are few examples of "poor treatment" more clear cut than random violent attacks.

AND yes, I do recall that you spun some weak justifications for that attacks, in order to tell yourself they were justified.

Those laws were not requested by Black leaders. The Black leaders asked to have the existing laws enforced.

I dont care what you said. I telling you that in order to practice racism you have to control shit.

Stop whining. Your deflections are appalling.

 

[rcfieldz]

Seems like there's no pride among other races...at least not on USMB. I wonder why?

 

[Asclepias]

Seems like there's no pride among other races...at least not on USMB. I wonder why?

I know for a fact other races have pride.

 

[rcfieldz]

Duh...

 

[Asclepias]

Is that your nickname or were you trying to talk?

 

[Correll]

YOu stated that "whites in America can't call minorities and liberals racist, because racism DOES mean the dominant culture believing it is superior to others".


This is obviously NOT true when you look at what the word actually means.

Whites can CERTAINLY calls various minorities and liberals racist if they, for example, "treat whites poorly because of their race".

THere is no need for blacks or liberals to be the "dominate culture" before they can be racist.

That was you looking for a reason to give black and liberal racists a pass.

I see that like most uneducated people you tend to believe the definition of a word is the end all be all. You also need to research the etymology of a word before discerning its true meaning. Racism is a system based on racist beliefs. Hence "race" and "ism". Only the dominant culture can maintain racism. Black people cannot practice racism because they own zero systems/resources in the US.

Nonsense designed to give you and racists like you a pass.

YOu don't need a "System" or resources to hate someone.

Or to act on it.


AND thus treat someone "poorly" because of their race and by doing so meet the definition of "racist".

I never said you need a system or resources to hate someone. I've talked to you about your poor reading comprehension before. I said you need ownership of they systems and resources to practice racism. For example. If i own the legal system I can make laws that punish one race unfairly like for example the crack laws that arrested more Blacks than white heroin users/dealers.

THose laws were requested BY BLACK LEADERS to provide more protection for their black communities.

AND as I said, you still don't need to control shit in order to act on the hate and racism you feel.

All you need is an opportunity.

We have discussed random violence against Whites. You support that.

There are few examples of "poor treatment" more clear cut than random violent attacks.

AND yes, I do recall that you spun some weak justifications for that attacks, in order to tell yourself they were justified.

Those laws were not requested by Black leaders. The Black leaders asked to have the existing laws enforced.

I dont care what you said. I telling you that in order to practice racism you have to control shit.

Stop whining. Your deflections are appalling.

Those laws were requested by black leaders.

And I have presented random violence as an example of how you can "treat someone poorly" based on race WITHOUT controlling shit.

An example you failed to challenge.

Because you can't.

 

[Asclepias]

I see that like most uneducated people you tend to believe the definition of a word is the end all be all. You also need to research the etymology of a word before discerning its true meaning. Racism is a system based on racist beliefs. Hence "race" and "ism". Only the dominant culture can maintain racism. Black people cannot practice racism because they own zero systems/resources in the US.

Nonsense designed to give you and racists like you a pass.

YOu don't need a "System" or resources to hate someone.

Or to act on it.


AND thus treat someone "poorly" because of their race and by doing so meet the definition of "racist".

I never said you need a system or resources to hate someone. I've talked to you about your poor reading comprehension before. I said you need ownership of they systems and resources to practice racism. For example. If i own the legal system I can make laws that punish one race unfairly like for example the crack laws that arrested more Blacks than white heroin users/dealers.

THose laws were requested BY BLACK LEADERS to provide more protection for their black communities.

AND as I said, you still don't need to control shit in order to act on the hate and racism you feel.

All you need is an opportunity.

We have discussed random violence against Whites. You support that.

There are few examples of "poor treatment" more clear cut than random violent attacks.

AND yes, I do recall that you spun some weak justifications for that attacks, in order to tell yourself they were justified.

Those laws were not requested by Black leaders. The Black leaders asked to have the existing laws enforced.

I dont care what you said. I telling you that in order to practice racism you have to control shit.

Stop whining. Your deflections are appalling.

Those laws were requested by black leaders.

And I have presented random violence as an example of how you can "treat someone poorly" based on race WITHOUT controlling shit.

An example you failed to challenge.

Because you can't.

Youre so cute when you deflect.

 

[Correll]

Nonsense designed to give you and racists like you a pass.

YOu don't need a "System" or resources to hate someone.

Or to act on it.


AND thus treat someone "poorly" because of their race and by doing so meet the definition of "racist".

I never said you need a system or resources to hate someone. I've talked to you about your poor reading comprehension before. I said you need ownership of they systems and resources to practice racism. For example. If i own the legal system I can make laws that punish one race unfairly like for example the crack laws that arrested more Blacks than white heroin users/dealers.

THose laws were requested BY BLACK LEADERS to provide more protection for their black communities.

AND as I said, you still don't need to control shit in order to act on the hate and racism you feel.

All you need is an opportunity.

We have discussed random violence against Whites. You support that.

There are few examples of "poor treatment" more clear cut than random violent attacks.

AND yes, I do recall that you spun some weak justifications for that attacks, in order to tell yourself they were justified.

Those laws were not requested by Black leaders. The Black leaders asked to have the existing laws enforced.

I dont care what you said. I telling you that in order to practice racism you have to control shit.

Stop whining. Your deflections are appalling.

Those laws were requested by black leaders.

And I have presented random violence as an example of how you can "treat someone poorly" based on race WITHOUT controlling shit.

An example you failed to challenge.

Because you can't.

Youre so cute when you deflect.

You're ugly when you refuse to admit that minorities can be racist.

 

[Asclepias]

I never said you need a system or resources to hate someone. I've talked to you about your poor reading comprehension before. I said you need ownership of they systems and resources to practice racism. For example. If i own the legal system I can make laws that punish one race unfairly like for example the crack laws that arrested more Blacks than white heroin users/dealers.

THose laws were requested BY BLACK LEADERS to provide more protection for their black communities.

AND as I said, you still don't need to control shit in order to act on the hate and racism you feel.

All you need is an opportunity.

We have discussed random violence against Whites. You support that.

There are few examples of "poor treatment" more clear cut than random violent attacks.

AND yes, I do recall that you spun some weak justifications for that attacks, in order to tell yourself they were justified.

Those laws were not requested by Black leaders. The Black leaders asked to have the existing laws enforced.

I dont care what you said. I telling you that in order to practice racism you have to control shit.

Stop whining. Your deflections are appalling.

Those laws were requested by black leaders.

And I have presented random violence as an example of how you can "treat someone poorly" based on race WITHOUT controlling shit.

An example you failed to challenge.

Because you can't.

Youre so cute when you deflect.

You're ugly when you refuse to admit that minorities can be racist.

Good thing I never said anything like that or are you reaching for the "they did it too" pacifier? You white boys crack me up.

 

[Correll]

THose laws were requested BY BLACK LEADERS to provide more protection for their black communities.

AND as I said, you still don't need to control shit in order to act on the hate and racism you feel.

All you need is an opportunity.

We have discussed random violence against Whites. You support that.

There are few examples of "poor treatment" more clear cut than random violent attacks.

AND yes, I do recall that you spun some weak justifications for that attacks, in order to tell yourself they were justified.

Those laws were not requested by Black leaders. The Black leaders asked to have the existing laws enforced.

I dont care what you said. I telling you that in order to practice racism you have to control shit.

Stop whining. Your deflections are appalling.

Those laws were requested by black leaders.

And I have presented random violence as an example of how you can "treat someone poorly" based on race WITHOUT controlling shit.

An example you failed to challenge.

Because you can't.

Youre so cute when you deflect.

You're ugly when you refuse to admit that minorities can be racist.

Good thing I never said anything like that or are you reaching for the "they did it too" pacifier? You white boys crack me up.

And you're ugly when you lie and are stupid.

 

[Asclepias]

Those laws were not requested by Black leaders. The Black leaders asked to have the existing laws enforced.

I dont care what you said. I telling you that in order to practice racism you have to control shit.

Stop whining. Your deflections are appalling.

Those laws were requested by black leaders.

And I have presented random violence as an example of how you can "treat someone poorly" based on race WITHOUT controlling shit.

An example you failed to challenge.

Because you can't.

Youre so cute when you deflect.

You're ugly when you refuse to admit that minorities can be racist.

Good thing I never said anything like that or are you reaching for the "they did it too" pacifier? You white boys crack me up.

And you're ugly when you lie and are stupid.

Good thing I dont do those things.

 

[the_human_being]

 

[Asclepias]

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......and then the modern day repubs pulled the Southern Strategy.

 

[Correll]

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......and then the modern day repubs pulled the Southern Strategy.

No, they didn't.

That's a lie.

 

[Asclepias]

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......and then the modern day repubs pulled the Southern Strategy.

No, they didn't.

That's a lie.

I think I'll believe their admission to it over your lone denial.

 

[the_human_being]

More Americans View Blacks As Racist Than Whites, Hispanics - Rasmussen Reports™

 

[ptbw forever]

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......and then the modern day repubs pulled the Southern Strategy.

And the Democrats are also pulling a Southern Strategy.
Brown is the New White

 

[ptbw forever]

Black pride - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Black pride is a movement encouraging people to take pride in being black to various degrees.
The slogan has been used in the United States by African Americans to celebrate heritage and personal pride.


White pride - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
White pride is a slogan primarily used by white separatist, white nationalist, neo-Nazi and white supremacist organizations to signal their racist or racialist viewpoints
Justin J. Moritz wrote that he tried to trademark the phrase "White Pride Country Wide" but it was denied for being offensive, despite that phrases like "Black Pride" and "Black Power" were trademarked

WTF?

As usual, with conservatives it's always about race and dividing America.

Brown is the New White

Argument destroyed

 

[ptbw forever]

The white person's predecessors repressed freedoms for the black person's predecessors. The white person's "white pride" is pride of being the repressor class. The black person's "black pride" is the pride of being the survivor of white repression.

Who is more noble? The repressor the repressed?

Is that right, you racist fuck?

I hold no particular pride over the tone of my skin. Should another, it is irrelevant to me.

BUT you racist scum demand that one should be proud of their skin and another be ashamed.

Tell you what you race baiting pimp, you point to the person in this forum who has had black slaves and I will agree that they should be ashamed. Not for their skin color, but for their acts.

Now racist bigots like you, who attack purely on the skin color of others should be just as ashamed, I know that I'm ashamed that you are an American, and that there are other Americans who share your diseased thinking.

Your response is curious and revealing. I am white, but it's not my complexion I'm proud of, it's my nation I'm proud of. And I don't think it's my place as a white man to point out white pride. What has my complexion have to do with anything other than point out that it was white folks who held black folks first as slaves and I hen as a repressed class in this nation. Whiteness for whiteness' sake is a sign of a lost and confused race who believed fervently that blackness was a sign of inferiority. Of that attitude, I am ashamed.

Stirring that pot of shame accomplishes nothing good.

It is interesting that you reject the idea that as a white person you should point out anything that Whites should be proud of

AND THEN immediately, as a white person, point out something wrong that White People did.


Indeed, you have answered your own question.

Our culture is such, now, that Whites are conditioned to NOT feel pride in our culture and heritage and our massive accomplishments, but instead to focus on the negatives and to feel shame.

It is modern liberalism that is thus "stirring the pot of shame."

This is unhealthy for a number of reasons.

The obvious solution is to reject being held responsible for past injustices and to be proud of past accomplishments.

For being proud of past accomplishments is completely harmless,

while allowing yourself to be held responsible for past sins often carries a very high price.

A parochial point of view. I am proud of the accomplishments of my countrymen. Space exploration, blood transfusions, splitting the atom and developing the peanut and potato. Inventing jazz music, bourbon liquor, the game of baseball and drafting the constitution are among our greatest accomplishments. Some were made by white Americans, others were made by Black Americans. But I do not celebrate the accomplishments of White Americans exclusively, nor do I celebrate the great accomplishments of Black Americans exclusively.

Segregation of ideas is as egregious as segregation by race.

I've said nothing of "exclusively" celebrating anything.

Nothing in your post addressed anything that I actually said, so I will repost it for you.

Here.

It is interesting that you reject the idea that as a white person you should point out anything that Whites should be proud of

AND THEN immediately, as a white person, point out something wrong that White People did.


Indeed, you have answered your own question.

Our culture is such, now, that Whites are conditioned to NOT feel pride in our culture and heritage and our massive accomplishments, but instead to focus on the negatives and to feel shame.

It is modern liberalism that is thus "stirring the pot of shame."

This is unhealthy for a number of reasons.

The obvious solution is to reject being held responsible for past injustices and to be proud of past accomplishments.

For being proud of past accomplishments is completely harmless,

while allowing yourself to be held responsible for past sins often carries a very high price.

This is what is called systemic racism.