Birthright Citizenship…Arguments to begin this week at the Supreme Court.

[80zephyr]

There were no illegal aliens at the time of our founders... there was no one that was illegal, for being here...basically....as long as you were willing to work or till the soil...and not a slave...

Our founders intent was to populate the nation and increase our citizenry at the time.

There is nothing in the 14th that shows their intent for illegal crossers, there were no illegal crossers.

So, the plain language of the amendment has to be used.

Are you afraid the majority of people in the United States would not support an amendment to change the 14th?

If there were no illegal crossers then, they wouldn't have been discussed. Since we have illegal crossers now, they could not have possibly been considered when the 14th passed. Logic would seem to dictate that this issue has nothing at all to do with the 14th Amendment.

 

[Foxfyre]

So what happens when original intent differs from the clear text of what was ushered out.

If a president intended to only grant clemency, but he signs a full pardon instead, does his intent override the clear text?

I don't want to have to explain all that again. You obviously aren't getting it. But do have al lovely afternoon.

 

[Unkotare]

Race-Treason Is Motivated by Greed

That was a special case and had nothing to do with illegality. The Radical Republicans wanted to punish Whites and replace them with any cheap labor they could get.

What do you mean by "race-treason"?

 

[Delldude]

Now you're getting ridiculous.
Illegally imported slaves were illegal aliens whether they escaped from, or remained with the custody of those who paid for their illegal entry.

It was legal to bring in slaves for sale in the US until 1808 when slavery importation was abolished. After that slaves were illegally smuggled into the country and were considered illegal aliens..... however it was still legal to own and have slaves after 1808, even illegals, until 1865.

 

[WEATHER53]

Comes down to will the USSC honor the written text or succumb to the emotions of the day and add modern interpretations

 

[80zephyr]

Comes down to will the USSC honor the written text or succumb to the emotions of the day and add modern interpretations

Nope. What I want them to honor is original intent.

 

[Unkotare]

The Stooge of Main Street never says what he really means. He just giggles to himself as he fabricates more asinine childish slogans. He should get together with BrokeLoser and IM2 and start a band.

 

[WEATHER53]

Nope. What I want them to honor is original intent.

One would think all would but the wokes and weepers may succumb to revising

 

[postman]

I don't want to have to explain all that again. You obviously aren't getting it. But do have al lovely afternoon.

Repeating the question you avoided, because you know the answer, and it's opposite your previous argument of intent over clear text.

So what happens when original intent differs from the clear text of what was ushered out.

If a president intended to only grant clemency, but he signs a full pardon instead, does his intent override the clear text?

 

[jc456]

Nope. What I want them to honor is original intent.

which is?

 

[80zephyr]

which is?

Make the slaves citizens.

 

[jc456]

Repeating the question you avoided, because you know the answer, and it's opposite your previous argument of intent over clear text.

So what happens when original intent differs from the clear text of what was ushered out.

If a president intended to only grant clemency, but he signs a full pardon instead, does his intent override the clear text?

What 'Subject to the Jurisdiction Thereof' Really Means - The Federalist Blog

Because the purpose of the Fourteenth Amendments first section was to end the denial of those fundamental rights that belong to all United States citizens by

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The provision is, that ‘all persons born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens.’ That means ‘subject to the complete jurisdiction thereof.’ What do we mean by ‘complete jurisdiction thereof?’ Not owing allegiance to anybody else. That is what it means.

In other words, it isn’t local jurisdiction the Fourteenth Amendment recognizes but only the lack of owing allegiance to some other nation because the United States only recognizes those who are ‘true and faithful’ alone to the nation.

 

[Etymology gaslight]

SUPREME COURT TO FINALLY HEAR ARGUMENTS ON THE ANCHOR BABY SCOURGE​

If SCOTUS rules for good real core Americans should we be ready for cities to burn down? What if the ruling is retroactive? What if we have to send home all with an illegal lineage? How will people prove their legal lineage?

Supreme Court to Finally Hear Arguments on the Anchor Baby Scourge - League of Power

After decades of deliberate ethnic cleansing against the American people, the US Supreme Court will finally hear arguments this week about our nation’s insane “anchor baby” policy. The Democrats’ ethnic cleansing lawfare teams are trying to stop President Donald Trump’s executive order to end...

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Decades of deliberate ethnic cleansing.

Well you're swinging for the fence
I'll give you that.

 

[Etymology gaslight]

What 'Subject to the Jurisdiction Thereof' Really Means - The Federalist Blog

Because the purpose of the Fourteenth Amendments first section was to end the denial of those fundamental rights that belong to all United States citizens by

www.federalistblog.us

The provision is, that ‘all persons born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens.’ That means ‘subject to the complete jurisdiction thereof.’ What do we mean by ‘complete jurisdiction thereof?’ Not owing allegiance to anybody else. That is what it means.

In other words, it isn’t local jurisdiction the Fourteenth Amendment recognizes but only the lack of owing allegiance to some other nation because the United States only recognizes those who are ‘true and faithful’ alone to the nation.

That was the original promise.
Wong Kim Ark for instance,
never ran for president.

 

[jc456]

That was the original promise.

any babies born by parents without US birth certificate are subject to the country of the parents. And that is what it means. They are not subjects of the US.

 

[Zincwarrior]

Well, maybe we shall hear what SCOTUS decides today.

 

[postman]

which is?

That even slaves illegally in the united states would get birthright citizenship.

 

[postman]

Make the slaves citizens.

Not just (former) slaves, but (former) slaves here legally and (former_ slaves here illegally.

 

[jc456]

That even slaves illegally in the united states would get birthright citizenship.

there weren't any illegal slaves, it was explained to you in the thread. You're welcome.

 

[postman]

What 'Subject to the Jurisdiction Thereof' Really Means - The Federalist Blog

Because the purpose of the Fourteenth Amendments first section was to end the denial of those fundamental rights that belong to all United States citizens by

www.federalistblog.us

The provision is, that ‘all persons born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens.’ That means ‘subject to the complete jurisdiction thereof.’ What do we mean by ‘complete jurisdiction thereof?’ Not owing allegiance to anybody else. That is what it means.

In other words, it isn’t local jurisdiction the Fourteenth Amendment recognizes but only the lack of owing allegiance to some other nation because the United States only recognizes those who are ‘true and faithful’ alone to the nation.

The provision is, that ‘all persons born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens.’ That means ‘subject to the complete jurisdiction thereof.’ What do we mean by ‘complete jurisdiction thereof?’ Not owing allegiance to anybody else. That is what it means.

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You do know that means thousand of Jews would lose their citizenship. As they are citizens of both the US and Israel. And as you said, if they owe allegiance to anybody else, they aren't eligible for birthright citizenship.