Birth Rates

[Hafar1014]

Yep. Average age of first child is 27.5.

There is a major disconnect between our culture/economy and our biological reality.

Thats a good age for the first child if healthy child development is something you care about. Biological reality is women can get pregnant at 13.

 

[Correll]

Thats a good age for the first child if healthy child development is something you care about. Biological reality is women can get pregnant at 13.

You admit issues grow after 30, but you want the first child at 27?


That's a pretty narrow window.


You selling a pill that promotes triplets?

 

[Dekster]

Very interesting.

makes more room for the robots

 

[Dekster]

Nope....
Our entire social and economic structure is built upon a growing population.

It is complicated. But things like Social Security and Medicare are built upon an expectation of a growing population...that's the simplest example I can give....but its much much more than that.

Every large industry is built upon a growing economic model....the expectation that you can hire workers. But if there are no people to hire....you can't build or create anything. No taxes are collected from economic activity and our entire society crumbles apart.
Sure, we know how to milk cows and retail it but unless you have a cow, going to the store to pick up a half gallon doesn't work anymore.

We are already seeing some supply chain issues already. It's not going to get any better as time goes by. As labor gets tighter and tighter there's going to be even more supply chain issues. From parts for transportation (car and truck parts backordered) to food being distributed in grocery stores.
A society that is crumbling does not end well....the weakest die miserably and painfully. The strongest aren't much better. Guilt eats at them like any case of PTSD does. When a fiat money system ends....it never ends well.

This is why we need to create incentives for children in various ways to ease the burden of costs. That's the least we can do for the biggest gain.

We can mechanize a lot of jobs, the assumption that the population will always increase is just an assumption not a necessity, social security can just be replaced or withholding rates increased, and Americans are just now learning that contraction in population is manageable as lots of small cities have been dealing with for better or worse for a generation or more. It is one of the few upsides of white flight--the realization that reality has to be dealt with whether you like it or not.

 

[otto105]

2.2 maintins the population. Hers my plan. Liberals have no children and conservatives have large families

Your future is the movie Idiocrasy.

 

[initforme]

Older partens over 25 will produce FEWER children as their peak fertility is already gone.

It is also worth noting that a long period of promiscuity, will have many issues, from increased body counts, to higher rates of STDS, to higher rates of divorce, blended families, single motherhood, ect. ect. ect.

Having fewer and smaller families is now the trend. Many, not all, but a growing number of women dont want to spend many months being pregnant. One child is enough for many and thats just fine and doesnt hurt a thing.

 

[Unkotare]

Having fewer and smaller families is now the trend. Many, not all, but a growing number of women dont want to spend many months being pregnant. One child is enough for many and thats just fine and doesnt hurt a thing.

Broken ******* record ^^^.

 

[initforme]

Except it's not. For the vast majority of history, people started BEFORE that, so your claim is...


absurd.



That is seems that way to you, is evidence that we have artifically extended childhood, and delayed adulthood.


That is a problem with our culture.

Why is it a problem? If one is working hard, being responsible, savng, and chooses to remain single thats a problem?
Problems arise when people in their early or mid 20s have kids they didnt want or cant afford. That can really stress a marriage. Then when the divorce happens the kids are traumatized. Let people have the freedom to choose, dont tell them what they should be doing to save something.

 

[Unkotare]

Why is it a problem? If one is working hard, being responsible, savng [sic], and chooses to remain single thats [sic] a problem?
Problems arise when people in their early or mid 20s have kids they didnt [sic] want or cant [sic] afford. That can really stress a marriage. Then when the divorce happens the kids are traumatized. Let people have the freedom to choose, dont [sic] tell them what they should be doing to save something.

BROKEN ******* RECORD ^^^^^.

 

[JohnDB]

C
The current situation is that those who are poor at parenting or even planning are the ones having the most children. Often passing down horrible genetic traits.

Those who are healthy and good at parenting are only having one child if they can afford it.

This creates a huge imbalance.

 

[initforme]

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The current situation is that those who are poor at parenting or even planning are the ones having the most children. Often passing down horrible genetic traits.

Those who are healthy and good at parenting are only having one child if they can afford it.

This creates a huge imbalance.

The latter are saavy and smart. They have a plan and if 1 child is it then thats plenty. We should applaud and support them in that choice.

 

[JohnDB]

The latter are saavy and smart. They have a plan and if 1 child is it then thats plenty. We should applaud and support them in that choice.

No....
Not necessarily. There also exists a stigma associated with having a large family for both the husband and wife.

If the Stigma is replaced with status....
Then it becomes something different.

Societal pressure is powerful....no different than conspiracy theorists...or viral phoney "they aren't telling the truth" or "they don't want you to know ".

 

[initforme]

No....
Not necessarily. There also exists a stigma associated with having a large family for both the husband and wife.

If the Stigma is replaced with status....
Then it becomes something different.

Societal pressure is powerful....no different than conspiracy theorists...or viral phoney "they aren't telling the truth" or "they don't want you to know ".

So you have a problem with women only having one child? Thats frankly twisted.

 

[JohnDB]

So you have a problem with women only having one child? Thats frankly twisted.

Ummmm....
I've never said that or even hinted at it.

Do not put words in my mouth I've never said, hinted, or even intimated.

What I've said is clear....why don't you go back to that?

 

[initforme]

Ummmm....
I've never said that or even hinted at it.

Do not put words in my mouth I've never said, hinted, or even intimated.

What I've said is clear....why don't you go back to that?

Then what is your issue with the birth rate? The "birth rate crisis" golk frankly dont know what they want. So they want peoplr working incessantly, not getting assistance. Ok sounds fine. Then, they want those same people to have kids despite having to work full time. And when the young folk say nope not happening you dont get both the birth crisis people somehow still have a problem.

 

[JohnDB]

Then what is your issue with the birth rate? The "birth rate crisis" golk frankly dont know what they want. So they want peoplr working incessantly, not getting assistance. Ok sounds fine. Then, they want those same people to have kids despite having to work full time. And when the young folk say nope not happening you dont get both the birth crisis people somehow still have a problem.

I want a Stable economy and jobs that pay enough that child caregivers in the family do not have to work if they do not wish to.

I want the Government to instead of giving my tax dollars to illegal aliens for Healthcare or SS payments to funding for young families to help them have children.

These aren't difficult or seditious things. Or even controversial things.
It's just helping Americans be "normal " and experience the American dream. What is so wrong with that?

 

[Correll]

Having fewer and smaller families is now the trend. Many, not all, but a growing number of women dont want to spend many months being pregnant. One child is enough for many and thats just fine and doesnt hurt a thing.

Except, it's not fine, and it hurts a lot of things.


Your denial is dumb.

 

[Correll]

Why is it a problem? If one is working hard, being responsible, savng, and chooses to remain single thats a problem?

Becasue the normal and healthy desire of most people is to have a family, and this current model is narrowing down the window of opportunity for doing that. And more and more people are failing to have the family that would be the best outcome for them.

As you know, because of the way you refused to answer the question, ie would you exchange your child for a better retirement.

Problems arise when people in their early or mid 20s have kids they didnt want or cant afford. That can really stress a marriage.

This is a result of a bad policy choices that have suppressed wages and increased teh cost of having children. If we change those policies, then we can make it easier for people to successfully have the families that will make them happiest.

Then when the divorce happens the kids are traumatized. Let people have the freedom to choose, dont tell them what they should be doing to save something.

It is interesting that you keep coming back to this argument of "LETTING PEOPLE CHOOSE", when NO ONE is making any argument of using force.

That is a good sign that on some level, you know that your position is false.

My goal is to make it EASIER for people to get married and have children.

THe few people that really don't want to do that, can obviously still do that.


The rest of us, can take teh road more often travelled and be all the more happy for it.

What part of that is a problem for you?

 

[Ringo]

How to organize state demographic policy under capitalism:

If those in power want there to be many children and for them to be healthy, then those in power should pass laws
1. Male labor is five times more expensive than female labor.
2. In the event of divorce, children remain with the parent who has the higher salary.
3 Children's goods are extremely cheap.
Then women would strive to preserve their families, and children would grow up mentally healthy.

If those in power want to reduce the number of freeloaders who are consuming state's money, then the following laws are needed:
1. Women's salaries are higher than men's.
2. In the event of divorce, children and all property remain with women.
3. The cost of children's products is extremely high.

In this case, the result will be as follows: families will be broken, men will be robbed, women will give birth to one child, and children will be messed up.

 

[initforme]

How to organize state demographic policy under capitalism:

If those in power want there to be many children and for them to be healthy, then those in power should pass laws
1. Male labor is five times more expensive than female labor.
2. In the event of divorce, children remain with the parent who has the higher salary.
3 Children's goods are extremely cheap.
Then women would strive to preserve their families, and children would grow up mentally healthy.

If those in power want to reduce the number of freeloaders who are consuming state's money, then the following laws are needed:
1. Women's salaries are higher than men's.
2. In the event of divorce, children and all property remain with women.
3. The cost of children's products is extremely high.

In this case, the result will be as follows: families will be broken, men will be robbed, women will give birth to one child, and children will be messed up.

Nothing wrong with 1 child. Women arent going to leave the workforce, that will never happen. Employers dont like women having kids. Childrens products arent going to get cheaper. Not possible. Salaries should not go down because a person is a woman. Just reality.