Birth of the People's Party

[georgephillip]

I suppose we will see just how much of a mood the people are in for these whiny assed lefties and their calls for REVOLOTION.

With gas prices rising, food prices rising, 10% unemployment.

They might be in for a bit of shock.

Who do you blame for rising food and fuel prices?

Whiny leftists or Wall Street speculators?

Whose housing and credit bubble inflated unemployment to 10%?

Charles's and David's or Wisconsin teachers'?

WTF is wrong with you?

Who CRASHED the global economy in 2008?

Wall Street or Wisconsin teachers?

It's NOT a trick question.

 

[Stephanie]

I think little Georgie fancies himself a reincarnated

Che Guevara.

 

[The Gadfly]

"Stop all the wars.....let's have an armed revolution against the capitalist pigs instead!"
That your new slogan, Skippy?

Of course, the capitalist swine won't fight back, and there really won't be much blood shed on our side, so "Aux Barricades!" You're a little late, there; the French Revolution is ancient history, and even the Russian Revolution was almost a hundred years ago; but fret not, little Trotskyite, if we ever invent a time machine, we'll send you back, so you can have your moment of glory. I think the rest of us would rather not kill one another.

You're the first in this thread to put the words "armed" and "revolution" together.

With at least 200 million private guns in this country it does seem a little naive to think they won't have something to say when class war heats up.

You can bet your life (and the lives of your family) the "capitalist swine" will hire as many guns as they can afford.

Maybe you're the one who needs the time machine?

Have a problem recognizing sarcasm when you see it?

As for the rest of your drivel, be careful what you wish for, because that "class war" of yours, should you actually manage to start it, would be a damn bloody, messy affair; one you'd lose pretty quickly, but not without a lot of collateral damage. Yeah, that's just what America needs. *SARCASM* (there, spelled it out for you, this time.)

 

[taichiliberal]

I just find the supporters of the actions of Gov. Walker in Wisconsin the most fascinating displays of denial, willful ignorance and insipid stubborness.

 

[kiwiman127]

"Are Americans beginning to awake to the fact that our economy now delivers a larger share of total income to the very top than at any time in living memory?

"That big corporations are making more money and creating more jobs abroad than in the United States?

"That this concentration of income and wealth has so corrupted politics that corporations can extort whatever they want from the government — tax breaks, loan guarantees, subsidies — while the super-rich can take most of their income as capital gains (taxed at 15 percent), and the rest at the lowest top rate in 25 years?

"And that because of this our kids are crowded into classrooms, our streets and highways and bridges are falling apart, and our healthcare bills are out of control?"

The Tea Party focuses its anger like a laser on "government" when actually the state is one-third of an axis of evil along with big business and the richest 5% of the population.

Global class war from Cairo to Madison to Ohio, Indiana and beyond is building.

Get ready to rumble...

What are you people in the "peoples party" going to call yourselves? ...."People"? That's catchy. Why not be truthful and call yourselves socialists? Imagine saying dumb things like "the economy delivers a larger share of income". That might be catchy in ignorant socialist circles like common dreams but the truth of course is that the economy delivers nothing. The people who work hard and invest their money and expand their businesses make the economy work. Go ahead and create the "peoples socialist party". It will insure a disaster for democrats next go round.

Another bright statement from the depths of ignorance.
FACTS show that working Americans have lived (or tried to live) with flat wages since the 1980s, yet the economic growth of this country has basically gone to the top percentile.
I would care to bet that most of the walking blind haven't seen any real growth with their incomes in Real Dollars and are simply following their ideology which is all for the status quo that currently exists.
Wages haven't been flat for the last 30 plus years? Well here's a link that factually shows flat wages in Real Dollars according to U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics.
Weekly wages in constant 1982 dollars in 1980, $281.27. Weekly wages in constant 1982 dollars in 2004, $277.57 inhttp://www.workinglife.org/wiki/Wages+and+Benefits%3A+Real+Wages+(1964-2004)
And there's this:
The Distribution of Wealth in America (Wealth Distribution) which clearly shows the continued concentration of wealth going upwards, while the working class (80% of the US population) continues to lose wealth and continues to be forced to live with flat wages.
As noted by the Wall Street Journal piece; U.S. Economy Is Increasingly Tied to the Rich, this trend threatens the very basics of the economic foundation of the US, which it did in 1929, the year of the Great Crash. Today, the Wealth Gap is larger than it was prior the Great Crash .
Only those who have limited knowledge of the factual US's economic history or have limited knowledge of economics would scoff at the the record inequality of wealth in the US. This isn't socialism, it's Economics 101.

 

[Stephanie]

I just find the supporters of the actions of Gov. Walker in Wisconsin the most fascinating displays of denial, willful ignorance and insipid stubborness.

That's funny.
We say the same thing about you Obama supporters.

 

[georgephillip]

I think little Georgie fancies himself a reincarnated

Che Guevara.

Better Che than Cortez

"...I discovered that the term conservative harkens back to a day when conservatives were monarchists who considered democracy a threat to social order and the seas were ruled by buccaneers and privateers. That was a clarifying moment.

"Buccaneer is a colorful name for the pirates of old who pursued personal fortune with rules of their own making.

"They were, in their time, an iconic expression of 'free market' capitalism.

"Privateers were buccaneers to whom a king granted legal immunity and safe harbor in return for a share of the booty.

"Their charge was to extract physical wealth from foreign lands and peoples by whatever means—including the execution of rulers and the slaughter and enslavement of native inhabitants.

"Hernán Cortés claimed the Mexican empire of Montezuma for Spain..."

If you're not among the richest 1% of Americans, then you probably have more in common with Che than with Hernan and his monarchist disciples on today's right.

From Buccaneers...

 

[Oddball]

I just find the supporters of the actions of Gov. Walker in Wisconsin the most fascinating displays of denial, willful ignorance and insipid stubborness.

Funny...That describes the fleebaggers to a tee.

 

[Oddball]

The Official Site of the People's Party

 

[georgephillip]

"Stop all the wars.....let's have an armed revolution against the capitalist pigs instead!"
That your new slogan, Skippy?

Of course, the capitalist swine won't fight back, and there really won't be much blood shed on our side, so "Aux Barricades!" You're a little late, there; the French Revolution is ancient history, and even the Russian Revolution was almost a hundred years ago; but fret not, little Trotskyite, if we ever invent a time machine, we'll send you back, so you can have your moment of glory. I think the rest of us would rather not kill one another.

You're the first in this thread to put the words "armed" and "revolution" together.

With at least 200 million private guns in this country it does seem a little naive to think they won't have something to say when class war heats up.

You can bet your life (and the lives of your family) the "capitalist swine" will hire as many guns as they can afford.

Maybe you're the one who needs the time machine?

Have a problem recognizing sarcasm when you see it?

As for the rest of your drivel, be careful what you wish for, because that "class war" of yours, should you actually manage to start it, would be a damn bloody, messy affair; one you'd lose pretty quickly, but not without a lot of collateral damage. Yeah, that's just what America needs. *SARCASM* (there, spelled it out for you, this time.)

Sarcasm in cyberspace can be subtle, at least.

The class war started with the "Fall of Man" and will be around long after you and I are dead and forgotten.

Its victims in Iraq and Afghanistan testify to the blood and mess that you seem to think is unavoidable here.

I'm not so sure about that; however, regardless of which of us is correct, America was born to settle the "messy affair" one way or the other.

 

[washamericom]

what do you do after one of these rallies, look around and say "well, that was awesome,
we really showed the world this time, that we're not really just a bunch of crackpots in olive drab jumpsuits".

you might really turn the corner this time marxie, just gotta get the message out ! rock the vote trotsky !!!

 

[georgephillip]

I just find the supporters of the actions of Gov. Walker in Wisconsin the most fascinating displays of denial, willful ignorance and insipid stubborness.

Paul Krugman seems to agree

"Here’s a thought: maybe Madison, Wis., isn’t Cairo after all. Maybe it’s Baghdad — specifically, Baghdad in 2003, when the Bush administration put Iraq under the rule of officials chosen for loyalty and political reliability rather than experience and competence."

"As many readers may recall, the results were spectacular — in a bad way.

"Instead of focusing on the urgent problems of a shattered economy and society, which would soon descend into a murderous civil war, those Bush appointees were obsessed with imposing a conservative ideological vision.

"Indeed, with looters still prowling the streets of Baghdad, L. Paul Bremer, the American viceroy, told a Washington Post reporter that one of his top priorities was to 'corporatize and privatize state-owned enterprises' — Mr. Bremer’s words, not the reporter’s — and to 'wean people from the idea the state supports everything.'”

Scott Walker doesn't appear to be as smart as L. Paul Bremer or Ronald Reagan, but his loyalty to corporate America is at least as strong.

Chains break first in their weakest links?

Shock Doctrine,

 

[Mr. Shaman]

"Are Americans beginning to awake to the fact that our economy now delivers a larger share of total income to the very top than at any time in living memory?

"That big corporations are making more money and creating more jobs abroad than in the United States?

"That this concentration of income and wealth has so corrupted politics that corporations can extort whatever they want from the government — tax breaks, loan guarantees, subsidies — while the super-rich can take most of their income as capital gains (taxed at 15 percent), and the rest at the lowest top rate in 25 years?

"And that because of this our kids are crowded into classrooms, our streets and highways and bridges are falling apart, and our healthcare bills are out of control?"

The Tea Party focuses its anger like a laser on "government" when actually the state is one-third of an axis of evil along with big business and the richest 5% of the population.

Global class war from Cairo to Madison to Ohio, Indiana and beyond is building.

Get ready to rumble...

what do you want us to do trotsky?

It still isn't obvious, to you???

 

[georgephillip]

what do you do after one of these rallies, look around and say "well, that was awesome,
we really showed the world this time, that we're not really just a bunch of crackpots in olive drab jumpsuits".

you might really turn the corner this time marxie, just gotta get the message out ! rock the vote trotsky !!!

30% to 40% of eligible US voters often don't bother casting a ballot because they don't see anything worth voting FOR.

Maybe they can be convinced to vote AGAINST Republicans AND Democrats in 2012?

Anti-Vote 2.0

 

[JWBooth]

"Are Americans beginning to awake to the fact that our economy now delivers a larger share of total income to the very top than at any time in living memory?

"That big corporations are making more money and creating more jobs abroad than in the United States?

"That this concentration of income and wealth has so corrupted politics that corporations can extort whatever they want from the government — tax breaks, loan guarantees, subsidies — while the super-rich can take most of their income as capital gains (taxed at 15 percent), and the rest at the lowest top rate in 25 years?

"And that because of this our kids are crowded into classrooms, our streets and highways and bridges are falling apart, and our healthcare bills are out of control?"

The Tea Party focuses its anger like a laser on "government" when actually the state is one-third of an axis of evil along with big business and the richest 5% of the population.

Global class war from Cairo to Madison to Ohio, Indiana and beyond is building.

Get ready to rumble...

There's already two populist puppet parties for state worshiping booboise in place, the GOPers and the Dems. Your wish has been granted.

 

[georgephillip]

I just find the supporters of the actions of Gov. Walker in Wisconsin the most fascinating displays of denial, willful ignorance and insipid stubborness.

That's funny.
We say the same thing about you Obama supporters.

What do you say about those who say Walker and Obama are two sides of the same golden coin?

 

[Stephanie]

I just find the supporters of the actions of Gov. Walker in Wisconsin the most fascinating displays of denial, willful ignorance and insipid stubborness.

Paul Krugman seems to agree

"Here’s a thought: maybe Madison, Wis., isn’t Cairo after all. Maybe it’s Baghdad — specifically, Baghdad in 2003, when the Bush administration put Iraq under the rule of officials chosen for loyalty and political reliability rather than experience and competence."

"As many readers may recall, the results were spectacular — in a bad way.

"Instead of focusing on the urgent problems of a shattered economy and society, which would soon descend into a murderous civil war, those Bush appointees were obsessed with imposing a conservative ideological vision.

"Indeed, with looters still prowling the streets of Baghdad, L. Paul Bremer, the American viceroy, told a Washington Post reporter that one of his top priorities was to 'corporatize and privatize state-owned enterprises' — Mr. Bremer’s words, not the reporter’s — and to 'wean people from the idea the state supports everything.'”

Scott Walker doesn't appear to be as smart as L. Paul Bremer or Ronald Reagan, but his loyalty to corporate America is at least as strong.

Chains break first in their weakest links?

Shock Doctrine,

Poor Krugman, he's another dying Commie who no one takes seriously.

 

[Stephanie]

I just find the supporters of the actions of Gov. Walker in Wisconsin the most fascinating displays of denial, willful ignorance and insipid stubborness.

That's funny.
We say the same thing about you Obama supporters.

What do you say about those who say Walker and Obama are two sides of the same golden coin?

I'd say they ARE CRAZY and funny as shit.

 

[beowolfe]

"Are Americans beginning to awake to the fact that our economy now delivers a larger share of total income to the very top than at any time in living memory?

"That big corporations are making more money and creating more jobs abroad than in the United States?

"That this concentration of income and wealth has so corrupted politics that corporations can extort whatever they want from the government — tax breaks, loan guarantees, subsidies — while the super-rich can take most of their income as capital gains (taxed at 15 percent), and the rest at the lowest top rate in 25 years?

"And that because of this our kids are crowded into classrooms, our streets and highways and bridges are falling apart, and our healthcare bills are out of control?"

The Tea Party focuses its anger like a laser on "government" when actually the state is one-third of an axis of evil along with big business and the richest 5% of the population.

Global class war from Cairo to Madison to Ohio, Indiana and beyond is building.

Get ready to rumble...

what do you want us to do trotsky?

I take it that you believe that this is simply the results of markets and that there is no plan behind this re-distribution of wealth. Right?

 

[georgephillip]

"Are Americans beginning to awake to the fact that our economy now delivers a larger share of total income to the very top than at any time in living memory?

"That big corporations are making more money and creating more jobs abroad than in the United States?

"That this concentration of income and wealth has so corrupted politics that corporations can extort whatever they want from the government — tax breaks, loan guarantees, subsidies — while the super-rich can take most of their income as capital gains (taxed at 15 percent), and the rest at the lowest top rate in 25 years?

"And that because of this our kids are crowded into classrooms, our streets and highways and bridges are falling apart, and our healthcare bills are out of control?"

The Tea Party focuses its anger like a laser on "government" when actually the state is one-third of an axis of evil along with big business and the richest 5% of the population.

Global class war from Cairo to Madison to Ohio, Indiana and beyond is building.

Get ready to rumble...

What are you people in the "peoples party" going to call yourselves? ...."People"? That's catchy. Why not be truthful and call yourselves socialists? Imagine saying dumb things like "the economy delivers a larger share of income". That might be catchy in ignorant socialist circles like common dreams but the truth of course is that the economy delivers nothing. The people who work hard and invest their money and expand their businesses make the economy work. Go ahead and create the "peoples socialist party". It will insure a disaster for democrats next go round.

Another bright statement from the depths of ignorance.
FACTS show that working Americans have lived (or tried to live) with flat wages since the 1980s, yet the economic growth of this country has basically gone to the top percentile.
I would care to bet that most of the walking blind haven't seen any real growth with their incomes in Real Dollars and are simply following their ideology which is all for the status quo that currently exists.
Wages haven't been flat for the last 30 plus years? Well here's a link that factually shows flat wages in Real Dollars according to U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics.
Weekly wages in constant 1982 dollars in 1980, $281.27. Weekly wages in constant 1982 dollars in 2004, $277.57 inhttp://www.workinglife.org/wiki/Wages+and+Benefits%3A+Real+Wages+(1964-2004)
And there's this:
The Distribution of Wealth in America (Wealth Distribution) which clearly shows the continued concentration of wealth going upwards, while the working class (80% of the US population) continues to lose wealth and continues to be forced to live with flat wages.
As noted by the Wall Street Journal piece; U.S. Economy Is Increasingly Tied to the Rich, this trend threatens the very basics of the economic foundation of the US, which it did in 1929, the year of the Great Crash. Today, the Wealth Gap is larger than it was prior the Great Crash .
Only those who have limited knowledge of the factual US's economic history or have limited knowledge of economics would scoff at the the record inequality of wealth in the US. This isn't socialism, it's Economics 101.

It's Econ 101 during the greatest economic downturn since the Great Depression.

Conservatives are right, imho, to blast government for its role in our crisis, but they miss the other two legs of today's Stool of Evil:

"The economic crisis activated, intensely and very publicly, the hegemonic alliance among big business, the richest 5 percent of citizens, and the state.

"Business and the rich insisted on (and the federal government complied with) corporate bailouts costing huge sums of public money.

"The state borrowed that money rather than taxing big business and the richest 5 percent of citizens.

"Indeed, it borrowed a good deal of the money from big business and the rich who had funds to lend because 1) those funds had not been taxed, and 2) the depressed global economy offered less attractive alternatives for those funds."

Richard D. Wolff...