JakeStarkey
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I know the explanations. Give me the law that says anchor babies can't run for president.
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By Dan Crosby
of THE DAILY PEN
April 12, 2012
Obama Lawyer Admits Forgery But Disregards "image" As Indication Of Obama’s Ineligibility
Taking an audacious and shocking angle against the constitutional eligibility mandate, Obama’s lawyer, Alexandra Hill, admitted that the image of Obama’s birth certificate was a forgery and made the absurd claim that, therefore, it cannot be used as evidence to confirm his lack of natural born citizenship status. Therefore, she argued, it is “irrelevant to his placement on the ballot”. Hill went on to contort reasoning by implying that Obama needs only invoke his political popularity, not legal qualifications, in order to be a candidate....
Hill, of Genova, Burn & Giantomasi Attorneys in Newark, made a desperate motion to dismiss the ballot objection arguing that Obama’s lack of natural-born citizenship status was not relevant to being placed on the New Jersey presidential ballot because no law exists in New Jersey which says that a candidate’s appearance on the ballot must be supported by evidence of natural born citizenship status. Only the U.S. constitution restricts eligibility to hold the office of president to natural born citizens....
Judge Masin denied the motion to dismiss and the case proceeded to trial.
Obama’s document forgery and fraudulent presidency have now forced him to flee to a “strange twilight zone” between political popularity and legal legitimacy where poorly counterfeited records are apparently allowed to be published by Obama using government media resources for political purposes, yet those same records are held by the courts as irrelevant for determining Obama’s legal eligibility status because they are, according to judges, “so poorly forged” they are obviously meant to be satirical and not to be taken seriously as evidence.
(The rest of Crosby's article can be found at the link shown below.)
Before It's News
Well, I guess all you Obamabots who made fun of the “birthers” have some explaining to do. Actually, the evidence of forgery was so compelling I cannot understand how anyone could have actually believed the documents were authentic. You Obamabots are looking more and more foolish with each passing day.
This is great news! Birtherism is a great winning issue for the right. Obama is done! Time to swear in Joe Biden.
This is great news! Birtherism is a great winning issue for the right. Obama is done! Time to swear in Joe Biden.
Why is it that when anyone mentioned the obvious forgery, we were called birthers? I thought it was fair to question why the forgery, though I never actually expected any answers.
It's like we get called names for daring to question the messiah. It's ridiculous. Does anyone on the left have any opinion as to why they would put this forgery out?
I don't doubt that Obama was born in Hawaii. We know his dad wasn't a citizen, so thought maybe that was the issue. Or did his mom become a citizen of another country or something? I have heard some argue as the whether both parents needed to be citizens in order for the child to run for president.
It's not crazy to ask questions, especially when you see something that is not typical, such as Obama not obtaining a social security number till he was an adult and got it from a state he never lived in even though he worked before that time. That is a valid question, no matter which side you're on.
People like this aligning themselves with the Republican Party is probably why the Republican Party is in such dire straights
Still makes me curious as to why President Obama spent millions concealing records.
It would have been much more fiscally prudent of him to merely produce any records in question, IE college transcripts.
This simple action would have shut the birther's mouths up!
The appearance of Jesus Christ on Fox, attesting to Obama's citizenship and religion and birth place as meeting all Constitutional requirements, would merely mean the birfers would all become Jews or something.
This is great news! Birtherism is a great winning issue for the right. Obama is done! Time to swear in Joe Biden.
Why is it that when anyone mentioned the obvious forgery, we were called birthers? I thought it was fair to question why the forgery, though I never actually expected any answers.
It's like we get called names for daring to question the messiah. It's ridiculous. Does anyone on the left have any opinion as to why they would put this forgery out?
I don't doubt that Obama was born in Hawaii. We know his dad wasn't a citizen, so thought maybe that was the issue. Or did his mom become a citizen of another country or something? I have heard some argue as the whether both parents needed to be citizens in order for the child to run for president.
It's not crazy to ask questions, especially when you see something that is not typical, such as Obama not obtaining a social security number till he was an adult and got it from a state he never lived in even though he worked before that time. That is a valid question, no matter which side you're on.
The countless Wars this President has declared on his own fellow Americans are the reason many Americans still don't believe he's a genuine American Citizen. His own awful behavior has fueled this belief. He has declared a new War against his fellow Citizens just about every other month since he became President. He is anything but a 'Uniter.' He has only divided the nation thus far. This eligibility skepticism will persist. His own behavior has encouraged it.
That is a minority conclusion with no basis in law, Al.
Obama is indeed a citizen and qualified to be president under the Consitution.
That is fact.
Is that so. It comes down to the definition of what natural born means. For the first 230 years of this countries existence, it meant your father had to be an Amerian citizen. Not only does this make sense, not only is this reasonable, not only is it historially true, but any other intrepretation of this definition trivializes the concept and makes the wording of our Constitution superflous. Every word in our Constitution as great import and meaning. We all know this is true, but yet you come along and argue that these words are the exception and as you do so you toss 230 years of our nation's history into the shitter.
Come on now, let's be serious! Are you really an Amerian?
The Court in Wong Kim Ark reaffirmed Minor in that the meaning of the words “citizen of the United States” and “natural-born citizen of the United States” “must be interpreted in the light of the common law, the principles and history of which were familiarly known to the framers of the constitution.” ... The Wong Kim Ark Court explained:
The fundamental principle of the common law with regard to English nationality was birth within the allegiance-also called „ligealty,‟ „obedience,‟ „faith,‟ or „power‟-of the king. The principle embraced all persons born within the king‟s allegiance, and subject to his protection. Such allegiance and protection were mutual, ... and were not restricted to natural-born subjects and naturalized subjects, or to those who had taken an oath of allegiance; but were predicable of aliens in amity, so long as they were within the kingdom. Children, born in England, of such aliens, were therefore natural-born subjects. ...
It thus clearly appears that by the law of England for the last three centuries, beginning before the settlement of this country, and continuing to the present day, aliens, while residing in the dominions possessed by the crown of England, were within the allegiance, the obedience, the faith or loyalty, the protection, the power, and the jurisdiction of the English sovereign; and therefore every child born in England of alien parents was a natural-born subject, unless the child of an ambassador or other diplomatic agent of a foreign state, or of an alien enemy in hostile occupation of the place where the child was born.
III. The same rule was in force in all the English colonies upon this continent down to the time of the Declaration of Independence, and in the United States afterwards, and continued to prevail under the constitution as originally established. ...
All persons born in the allegiance of the king are natural-born subjects, and all persons born in the allegiance of the United States are natural-born citizens. Birth and allegiance go together. Such is the rule of the common law, and it is the common law of this country, as well as of England. We find no warrant for the opinion that this great principle of the common law has ever been changed in the United States. It has always obtained here with the same vigor, and subject only to the same exceptions, since as before the Revolution.
... Based upon the language of Article II, Section 1, Clause 4 and the guidance provided by Wong Kim Ark, we conclude that persons born within the borders of the United States are “natural born Citizens” for Article II, Section 1 purposes, regardless of the citizenship of their parents. Just as a person “born within the British dominions [was] a natural-born British subject” at the time of the framing of the U.S. Constitution, so too were those “born in the allegiance of the United States [] natural-born citizens.” ...
Still makes me curious as to why President Obama spent millions concealing records.
It would have been much more fiscally prudent of him to merely produce any records in question, IE college transcripts.
This simple action would have shut the birther's mouths up!
Is that so. It comes down to the definition of what natural born means. For the first 230 years of this countries existence, it meant your father had to be an Amerian citizen. Not only does this make sense, not only is this reasonable, not only is it historially true, but any other intrepretation of this definition trivializes the concept and makes the wording of our Constitution superflous. Every word in our Constitution as great import and meaning. We all know this is true, but yet you come along and argue that these words are the exception and as you do so you toss 230 years of our nation's history into the shitter.
Come on now, let's be serious! Are you really an Amerian?
Then explain anchor babies.
Anchor babies can't run for president.
Unless your insinuating obama is an anchor baby this is not exactly relevent to the subject of this thread.
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That is a minority conclusion with no basis in law, Al.
Obama is indeed a citizen and qualified to be president under the Consitution.
That is fact.
. . . Where did you get this from? That's not how the SCOTUS defined a natural born citizen. They made it clear in Wok Kim Ark that natural born means being born in the United States, as evolved under common law.
The Court in Wong Kim Ark reaffirmed Minor in that the meaning of the words “citizen of the United States” and “natural-born citizen of the United States” “must be interpreted in the light of the common law, the principles and history of which were familiarly known to the framers of the constitution.” ... The Wong Kim Ark Court explained:
The fundamental principle of the common law with regard to English nationality was birth within the allegiance-also called „ligealty,‟ „obedience,‟ „faith,‟ or „power‟-of the king. The principle embraced all persons born within the king‟s allegiance, and subject to his protection. Such allegiance and protection were mutual, ... and were not restricted to natural-born subjects and naturalized subjects, or to those who had taken an oath of allegiance; but were predicable of aliens in amity, so long as they were within the kingdom. Children, born in England, of such aliens, were therefore natural-born subjects. ...
It thus clearly appears that by the law of England for the last three centuries, beginning before the settlement of this country, and continuing to the present day, aliens, while residing in the dominions possessed by the crown of England, were within the allegiance, the obedience, the faith or loyalty, the protection, the power, and the jurisdiction of the English sovereign; and therefore every child born in England of alien parents was a natural-born subject, unless the child of an ambassador or other diplomatic agent of a foreign state, or of an alien enemy in hostile occupation of the place where the child was born.
III. The same rule was in force in all the English colonies upon this continent down to the time of the Declaration of Independence, and in the United States afterwards, and continued to prevail under the constitution as originally established. ...
All persons born in the allegiance of the king are natural-born subjects, and all persons born in the allegiance of the United States are natural-born citizens. Birth and allegiance go together. Such is the rule of the common law, and it is the common law of this country, as well as of England. We find no warrant for the opinion that this great principle of the common law has ever been changed in the United States. It has always obtained here with the same vigor, and subject only to the same exceptions, since as before the Revolution.
... Based upon the language of Article II, Section 1, Clause 4 and the guidance provided by Wong Kim Ark, we conclude that persons born within the borders of the United States are “natural born Citizens” for Article II, Section 1 purposes, regardless of the citizenship of their parents. Just as a person “born within the British dominions [was] a natural-born British subject” at the time of the framing of the U.S. Constitution, so too were those “born in the allegiance of the United States [] natural-born citizens.” ...
http://www.in.gov/judiciary/opinions/pdf/11120903.ebb.pdf
So the majority claimed as if the Framers truly did have that in mind. LOL! No they didn't. And you would do well to consider the dissenting justices' argument documented in that same decision which utterly exposes the majority's claim for what it was, not to mention the congressional record which held that one's parentage was abundantly pertinent to the "jurisdiction thereof". Finally, consider the fact that the Wong Kim Ark decision occurred 109 years after the application of the Constitution. Hello! Persons born on U.S. soil of foreign nationals, including those not officially engaged by a foreign power, were not recognized to be natural-born citizens, even after the ratification of the 14th! Hence, Ark sued the U.S. government, and the progressives on the Court obliged him.
The majority's claim in Wong Kim Ark that the common-law tradition of citizenship prevailed in America under constitutional law prior to its decision is bullshit! And guess what. The agenda-driven majority knew that! The status of natural-born citizenship was understood to apply to both the blood and the soil of the nation. It is abundantly clear from a careful reading of the legislative history, starting with the First Congress, that both obtained to the jurisdiction of the United States. The dissenting justices were right. That common-law citizenship (or birthright citizenship) stands today as the law of the land as a result of Wong Kim Ark is certainly a fact. That I do not dispute. But that is a different observation altogether.
The bottom line, the Court usurped a power exclusively granted Congress by the Constitution in this instance.
But of course that is now the law of the land, and those who claim that a person born on U.S. soil of foreign nationals, including, presumably, those born of illegal aliens, are wrong. Yes, they can, as they are natural-born citizens under the birthright citizenship of Wong Kim Ark and subsequent statute and/or practice.
I cover the matter here: Prufrock's Lair: A Critique of the Chin Argument
But to understand that matter fully, begin here: Prufrock's Lair: Righting the Confusion of Citizenship and Nationality: The Facts, The Myths and Other Riddles
Yes. The birther claim that Obama is not eligible is nonsense, but his legitimacy has nothing to do with Wong Kim Ark. Obama was born on the soil of the nation, born of a duly established U.S. citizen. He was a citizen at the moment of birth, i.e., a natural-born citizen.
People like this aligning themselves with the Republican Party is probably why the Republican Party is in such dire straights
No, I am a Republican and I call them out on it.
Name one Deomcrat that is calling Obama out for his false claims such as he will cut the deficit in half by the end of his first term. the wealthy do not pay enough taxes and if the Supreme Court rules the health care mandate unconstitutional it would be the first time they ruled against an act of Congress.
Where is that person? Will you step forward and be the first?
Is that so. It comes down to the definition of what natural born means. For the first 230 years of this countries existence, it meant your father had to be an Amerian citizen. Not only does this make sense, not only is this reasonable, not only is it historially true, but any other intrepretation of this definition trivializes the concept and makes the wording of our Constitution superflous. Every word in our Constitution as great import and meaning. We all know this is true, but yet you come along and argue that these words are the exception and as you do so you toss 230 years of our nation's history into the shitter.
Come on now, let's be serious! Are you really an Amerian?
Then explain anchor babies.
Anchor babies can't run for president.
Unless your insinuating obama is an anchor baby this is not exactly relevent to the subject of this thread.
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Currently, Title 8 of the U.S. Code fills in the gaps left by the Constitution. Section 1401 defines the following as people who are "citizens of the United States at birth:"
Anyone born inside the United States *
Any Indian or Eskimo born in the United States, provided being a citizen of the U.S. does not impair the person's status as a citizen of the tribe
Any one born outside the United States, both of whose parents are citizens of the U.S., as long as one parent has lived in the U.S.
Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year and the other parent is a U.S. national
Any one born in a U.S. possession, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year
Any one found in the U.S. under the age of five, whose parentage cannot be determined, as long as proof of non-citizenship is not provided by age 21
Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in this time)
A final, historical condition: a person born before 5/24/1934 of an alien father and a U.S. citizen mother who has lived in the U.S.
* There is an exception in the law — the person must be "subject to the jurisdiction" of the United States. This would exempt the child of a diplomat, for example, from this provision.
Anyone falling into these categories is considered natural-born, and is eligible to run for President or Vice President. These provisions allow the children of military families to be considered natural-born, for example.
Definition: The term "anchor babies" is used by anti-immigrant commentators to refer to children born in the United States to undocumented parents. These children, like all people born in the United States, are considered natural-born citizens under U.S. law.