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So, if gassing the Jews was legal, it would not be murder?By definition, that is correct.
I have bad news for you.Working together?
Leftists don't compromise with anyone. They simply infiltrate and subvert the system. It is what they are best at. Really, it's all they know.
It is their way or the highway, which is why abortion is being deregulated all across the country via state, even in Red states via state constitutions. They present their amendments as returning to Roe vs. Wade, when in actuality, there is no verbiage to restrain abortions in the third trimester, it is all a big lie to completely deregulate abortion. Now it will all be done in secret.
The extremists have quietly taken over after Roe was overturned. They have zero incentive now to compromise with anyone about anything. It was the only way they could have done it. Like you said, over 2/3 of the populace are opposed to late term abortion, and would never have voted for it, so quietly legalizing it was the only way they could have gotten away with this crap. But Leftists, being Leftists, are full of shit, so there is that.
My attitude? I am simply relaying the reality to you.I have bad news for you.
With your attitiude, you are one of the people getting in the way.
Ok dummy, good luck convincing people that THIS has rights that over-ride the rights of the mother:
If it's "just sementics" and not about substance of what you are looking at, then surely you can find the right words to make it happen without funny costumes and waving Bibles around.
So, if gassing the Jews was legal, it would not be murder?
No, try again, it would stil be murder.
No, what I do is defer to the 9 black robes who were appointed by the president and approved by the Senate who are both elected by the people.Completely asinine. Do you lay your humanity at the feet of the 9 Black robes to decide your morality?
Idiot.
Your post kind of makes my point that Roe never addressed the age of personhood.I have been pointing out for many years that a lot people who self-identify as "pro-choice" actually have beliefs which are in direct opposition to Roe V. Wade.
Roe allows for abortion on demand all the way through the second trimester, and yet every poll ever conducted shows 2/3 of all Americans are opposed to abortion after the first trimester.
This means a lot of "pro-choice" people are also opposed to abortion after the first trimester, while Roe allows for abortions in the second trimester.
That is why I have been saying all this time we need to stop allowing the extremists to control the conversation because there is a middle ground upon which pro-lifers and pro-choicers can find common cause. That is, banning abortion after the first trimester.
What's more, we need to start working together to educate the public about birth control. About HALF of all unplanned pregnancies which result in abortion are the result of NO birth control being used. Another fifth are the result of the improper or inconsistent use of birth control.
Just imagine the impact on the incidence of abortions if we could get people to use birth control regularly and properly!
It's far past time for us to take control away from the emotional extremists who are getting in the way of actually achieving success on this issue
If you think that our natural rights come from men then you are correct.Since murder is the unlawful killing of someone, then no, it would not be murder.
No, what I do is defer to the 9 black robes who were appointed by the president and approved by the Senate who are both elected by the people.
Murder is illegal. Right? Do you admit this?
So now go to a state where abortion is legal and try to have someone charged with murder for having an abortion.
See what happens.
They have laws that charge people with manslaughter that kill unborn children.Since murder is the unlawful killing of someone, then no, it would not be murder.
No, what I do is defer to the 9 black robes who were appointed by the president and approved by the Senate who are both elected by the people.
Murder is illegal. Right? Do you admit this?
So now go to a state where abortion is legal and try to have someone charged with murder for having an abortion.
See what happens.
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Again, read. The. Decision.Your post kind of makes my point that Roe never addressed the age of personhood.
You can stand on your moral high ground like everyone else has for the past 50 years and achieve NOTHING.You say that extremists have taken over, and that the compromise should be banning abortion after the first trimester.
Why? Why are they any less of a human being before the second or the third trimester? Is it due to development? Then a baby should not be considered as human as an adult.
This just points out that the unborn had no real natural rights under Roe vs. Wade to begin with since it was arbitrary.
Again, the question has never been tackled. They are making rulings on abortions without even addressing the question.
The key I think is putting up a second state Constitutional amendment to ban abortions after a certain trimester.Again, read. The. Decision.
It specifically addresses personhood. You are speaking from ignorance.
They address the "personhood" of the mother balanced against the personhood of the fetus at least 50 times in the decision.
Read. The. Decision.
You can stand on your moral high ground like everyone else has for the past 50 years and achieve NOTHING.
Or...you can face reality and actually work toward achievable goals.
"The perfect is the enemy of the good."
That's for the legal people to figure out. When I flick a light switch, I don't have to figure out how to get power from the plant to my apartment.
Because we don't want the camel's nose in the tent.Then why is the left so hell bent on birth control abortions in the 2nd and the 3rd?
Which is why SCOTUS issued Doe v. Bolen(sp) on the same day, which effectively banned the few restrictions they allowed in the third trimester under "Health of the Mother" exceptions.Correct.
There was a small difference in the incidence of abortion before and after Roe. Abortions increased slightly.
Before Roe v. Wade, t
That's because even those states which banned abortion had exceptions for "the health of the mother". Those states which allowed abortion for "health of the mother" were virtually abortion-on-demand states because doctors can always provide a circumstantial "health of the mother" excuse, and that's what they did. An abortion could be granted for the mothers mental health.
Well, you probably should if the lights never come on... which describes the pre-Roe situation.
Because we don't want the camel's nose in the tent.
If you think that our natural rights come from men then you are correct.
But if you think our natural rights come from God, like the Founders did, you are incorrect as the laws of God are self evident.
You do if you are going to charge someone who had a legal abortion with murder.I don't need the black robes to see it.
Because it is a woman's decision to abort a pregnancy. That does not give someone else permission to kill a fetus without the woman's consent.They have laws that charge people with manslaughter that kill unborn children.
Why?
State Homicide Laws That Recognize Unborn Victims - National Right to Life
National Right to Life Committee January 5, 2024 What appears below is a summary of the laws of the 39 states that recognize the unlawful killing of an unborn child as homicide in at least some circumstances. The federal Unborn Victims of Violence Act, enacted April 1, 2004, covers unborn...
It is because it is assumed the children are wanted.
I reckon once they are not wanted, it no longer matters.
But if it is not a human being, how can it be manslaughter?Because it is a woman's decision to abort a pregnancy. That does not give someone else permission to kill a fetus without the woman's consent.
You do realize that the Founders recognized that natural law comes from God and not man, right?We are discussing American law, of course that is what I'm talking about.
I recognize your false deities view on abortion manifests itself as punishment for unfaithful women but the one true God is ok with abortion even if not a punishment. Please don't infringe upon my religious rights.
I will pray for you.
You do if you are going to charge someone who had a legal abortion with murder.
Until they realize what you people are up to.The American people mostly want that nose in there. Propose a 10-15 week ban on birth control abortions with reasonable exceptions and most people would support it.
But if it is not a human being, how can it be manslaughter?
A kidney isn't a human being. Manslaughter is not the same as murder. Manslaughter does not require intent.That would be like saying someone damaged her kidney and the kidney died and they charged the person with manslaughter for killing her kidney.
Insanity.
You do realize that the Founders recognized that natural law comes from God and not man, right?
If they worshipped the god from the man written Bible then yes, they worshipped a false god.Do you think they worshiped false Deities as well?
